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  • I'm just happy that at the end of the day, everyone lost. RWBY didn't win the fight - in fact, they fled the city after defeating the Ace-Ops. For all their talk of helping Mantle, they sure didn't stick around to do so. Perhaps this will teach them about how the world works and how you can't win every battle with blind optimism and with their current strategems and ideals at this time. Ren's fight against Neo was the  perfect representation of how the protagonists were given advantages and upgrades, but still do not understand the gravity of the situation. Besides that, Ruby, Yang, Nora and to a lesser extent Blake NEED to go through more stuff like this to convince them that their actions throughout Volume 6 and 7 have legitimate consequences that can kill people.

    I am happy that Ozpin is back. Hopefully, it will give Oscar more to do and allow them to reach an understanding. I still hold on to the hope that Ozpin and Salem still love each other deep down, but I am ready for other alternatives if they happen... Also, I suspect that oscar might reach a point where he is done with everyone's bullshit and just lets his frustrations out. #Ozpinstilldidnothingwrong

    ALSO, ignoring the fact that Qrow forgot he could turn into a bird and fly out, I do like his attempt to be the peacekeeper before shit hit the fan. That said, he is equally as responsible as Robyn and Clover for the latter's death and I hope that they realize that in Volume 8. And as for Cinder, while I didnt like her role in the final episodes, I get the feeling that Ruby might not view her the same way as she does - that reaction was one of the most understated I have ever seen in anything I have watched.

    Lastly, Penny being the Winter Maiden was fine. I did like it and it wasn't a bad idea, so at least one maiden is confirmed safe, unlike Raven, who is AWOL in exile (but let's face it, she deserved it). And Ironwood was definitely the best part of Volume 7, his entire arc being nothing but one natural character development and reaction to another. He didn't become like Lionheart... he became somethign far worse.

    And Tyrion defeinitely had the best night of his life, bless him.

    Overall, a definite step in the right direction for CRWBY, even after Volume 6, but still needs that slight bit of polish to be perfect once more. Please share your thoughts and comments IN EXTREME DETAIL, I really want to know precisely what everone thinks of RWBY now, especially in a fandom as divided as this.

    Volume 1: 9.5/10

    Volume 2: 10/10

    Volume 3: 9.5/10

    Volume 4: 10/10

    Volume 5: 7.5/10

    Volume 6: 8/10

    Volume 7: 9/10

    World of Remnant: 9/10 (I know not many people like these, but looking at it from a lore perspective is very enlightening.)

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    • EDIT: Sorry, I meant that I like Cinder's role in the final episodes.

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    • 58.182.147.116 wrote: For all their talk of helping Mantle, they sure didn't stick around to do so. Perhaps this will teach them about how the world works and how you can't win every battle with blind optimism and with their current strategems and ideals at this time.

      Hopefully that’ll happen, but right now, since this show uses Protagonist-Centered Morality, it’s not really likely.

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    • It's great to see someone else who really liked the back half of Volume 7, because I also really liked it. Pertaining to your point about how Team RWBY needs to learn they can't win every fight with optimism, I think Salem's going to drill that into their skulls with a jackhammer. She LITERALLY cannot be defeated. No matter what they do, she will never die or go down. So they need to plan, and think.

      And, in all honesty, RWBY's stubborness is starting to annoy me, because it's holding them back. This 'Thou Shalt Not Kill If Thou Art Protagonist' rule set by both creators and fans is a detriment to the story and it needs to be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. Like, let's take what I'm about to say as an example. The CRWBY is obviously building up to a fight between Ruby and Cinder, and in that fight Ruby is probably going to end up on the ropes and forced to take desperate measures. Now the correct thing to do in this situation would be to kill Cinder (and that would get Ruby bonus points with the FNDM, you know what I mean), but the morally right thing to do is let her live. However, the potential damage Cinder could cause if she was allowed to live is too great to allow her to live in the first place. The concept of the moral high ground is a difficult one to grasp and an even more difficult one to apply. People usually interpret this as a hero never killing because then they'd be 'just as bad as their enemies'. And to those people I say... are you mad?

      A hero killing someone is vastly different from a villain killing someone. When a hero kills someone, it's to show that the person killed was a threat that needed to be dealt with. When a villain kills someone, more often than not it was For The Evulz or because They Had Outlived Their Usefulness. Now answer me this: which of these is a better reason to kill someone? If you said the hero's reason, you're right. You can't always uphold your morals 100% of the time. And you can't always walk away feeling warm and fuzzy afterwards. But if what you ended up doing proved to have benefits for a lot of people in the long run, then it was probably the right thing to do, even if it doesn't feel like it. That's the sort of lesson Ruby, and to a lesser extent her team, needs to learn.

      Wow. I did not expect to get philosophical on this thread. But, hey, it is what it is. Suffice to say I agree with you.

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    • 81.157.214.74 wrote:
      It's great to see someone else who really liked the back half of Volume 7, because I also really liked it. Pertaining to your point about how Team RWBY needs to learn they can't win every fight with optimism, I think Salem's going to drill that into their skulls with a jackhammer. She LITERALLY cannot be defeated. No matter what they do, she will never die or go down. So they need to plan, and think.

      And, in all honesty, RWBY's stubborness is starting to annoy me, because it's holding them back. This 'Thou Shalt Not Kill If Thou Art Protagonist' rule set by both creators and fans is a detriment to the story and it needs to be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. Like, let's take what I'm about to say as an example. The CRWBY is obviously building up to a fight between Ruby and Cinder, and in that fight Ruby is probably going to end up on the ropes and forced to take desperate measures. Now the correct thing to do in this situation would be to kill Cinder (and that would get Ruby bonus points with the FNDM, you know what I mean), but the morally right thing to do is let her live. However, the potential damage Cinder could cause if she was allowed to live is too great to allow her to live in the first place. The concept of the moral high ground is a difficult one to grasp and an even more difficult one to apply. People usually interpret this as a hero never killing because then they'd be 'just as bad as their enemies'. And to those people I say... are you mad?

      A hero killing someone is vastly different from a villain killing someone. When a hero kills someone, it's to show that the person killed was a threat that needed to be dealt with. When a villain kills someone, more often than not it was For The Evulz or because They Had Outlived Their Usefulness. Now answer me this: which of these is a better reason to kill someone? If you said the hero's reason, you're right. You can't always uphold your morals 100% of the time. And you can't always walk away feeling warm and fuzzy afterwards. But if what you ended up doing proved to have benefits for a lot of people in the long run, then it was probably the right thing to do, even if it doesn't feel like it. That's the sort of lesson Ruby, and to a lesser extent her team, needs to learn.

      Wow. I did not expect to get philosophical on this thread. But, hey, it is what it is. Suffice to say I agree with you.

      Yeah, because Adam did not get stabbed.... oh wait.... what is this overdose of grimmdark everyone is demanding? This is not warhammer 40k where the at the slightest hint of disaggrement people pull out their chainswords screaming "There is only waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!" before  murdering each other. Besides, there has been rarely any occurence where they were not overmatched by their opponents: The fight at haven: they were on the defensive most of the fight, and even when they gained momentum they only managed to be on more equal grounds.... it would be quite out of the blue if they managed to kill one of their opponents in this case. Then  in this season: They captured Watts and Tyrian probably because they want to try to get every bit of intel on a nearly indestructible enemy they can... It would be incredibly uncharacteristic to kill the Ace-ops, for many reasons: 1. Both sides were somewhat to blame for the situation, and as such i do not think bloody murder was the first thing on RWBY's minds with all the guilt. 2. They trained together for months, and team RWBY is not made up of soldiers who could just immediately murder their mentors when push comes to shove. I hope that this is their lesson that they might need to reconsider their view on any future allies thoug (being little bit less trustful, all that stuff). With Neo, there are several problems at killing her. First of even 1vs4 she clearly had the upper hand at the fight. So if she would have been the first kill, it would look even more ridiculous than those shonen anime fights where the protagonist(s) unlocks some hidden power or gets stronger to defeat their clearly stronger opponent.  That being said, I understand peoples frustration at Ren not strinking the disguised Neo. For my part I will be fine with it if there will be a similar situation where this will prove as a learning experience, promting him to act differently this time around (especially since he showed a very pragmatic approach at things this season). What you said about Cinder will probably happen (especially since she is one of the least redeemable characters in team Salem), assuming she does not run away again.

      Though I have to agree with you, this season will hopefully shape our protagoninst in some meaningful way.

      Also, I do have my own problems/observations with this season (despite loving it to bits):

      1: The whole communications tower plan. I mean really, your whole master plan is to first tell your kingdom about Salem and trust luck that she won't use the chaos in your home to raise Vacou to the ground and get the relic from there? Did Ironwood consult with admiral Holdo about strategies?

      2: Crow trusting/accepting help from Tyrian: This is like the eqvivalent of trusting Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat, or Loki in Marvel. Like the guys job description is literally fucking people up/over.

      3: Ironwoods development: They could have spread it a little more evenly throughout the season, so the finale wouldn't be so weird: "I will stand with the people of Mantle." -2 episodes later: "You don't agree with me Oscar? Then die....". As I said I would only want the change to be a little bit more gradual.

      4: The bloodlusted Ace-Ops members: I fully understand if they follow orders, but the absolutely over the top "I will rip out ther hearts and will use their skulls as a chalice" mentality of Elm and Harriet was a bit too much.

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