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  • So I really enjoyed volume 7 and am looking forward to 8. Here are some things I hope we see.

    Cinder: Cinder has been on the show since the beginning but she still remains one of the more mysterious characters. Due to the fact, she is modeled after Cinderella and her remarks to Winter during their fight implies she did not have a good upbringing hence her power-hungry nature. I hope we can learn more about her and see why she craves power so much.

    Salem: She finally joined the fight and I am dying to see her in action. Even though she is immortal and has magic I would love to see her fighting style.

    Summer: Salem hinted she had met Summer and may have been the one to kill her, would like to know how they met and the circumstances of Summer's death. Was she doing a secret mission for Ozpin or was she acting on her own?

    Oscar: He seems to be finally tapping into Ozma's memories and powers. With Salem running around and him on his own he is going to need this upgrade.

    Penny: I had a feeling either she or Weis was going to become the winter maiden and forgetting the fact she is a robot I hope they explain how she got the power, especially considering her aura came from a man. Can't wait to see her learn her maiden powers.

    Magic: With Salem showing up, Oscar tapping into Ozma's power and Penny getting maiden powers I am thinking maybe we will learn more about magic. How it works, what its limitations are and what makes it different from semblances.

    Ironside: With Salem knocking on his door will he bend the knee to her whims? Or will he continue to fight and maybe work with the group again to save his people.

    Qrow: How will he handle Clovers death and how will it affect him?

    What do you guys think will happen? What do you hope to see>

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    • I hope to see Cinder/Summer backstory. The former is d e s p e r a t e l y needed.

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    • I hope that ironwood will get some redemption if he lives or dies and maybe a ozpin vs Salem fight

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    • I hope to see a Summer flashback or at least to know her or team STRQ backstory.

      I hope to see a sisterly moment between Ruby and Yang with them talking about their mom 

      More Renora moments.



      Penny killing Monstro. 



      Oscar and Ozpin meeting Salem. 



      Neo turning on Cinder.



      Klein returns.



      Winter finally interact onscreen with her mother and brother and realize her sister is more important than her loyalty to Ironwood. 

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    • Masma93 wrote: I hope to see a Summer flashback or at least to know her or team STRQ backstory.

      I hope to see a sisterly moment between Ruby and Yang with them talking about their mom 

      More Renora moments.



      Penny killing Monstro. 



      Oscar and Ozpin meeting Salem. 



      Neo turning on Cinder.



      Klein returns.



      Winter finally interact onscreen with her mother and brother and realize her sister is more important than her loyalty to Ironwood. 

      I can see Neo turning on Cinder. Would be cool if she becomes the next fall maiden, imagine how powerful she would be with those powers.

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    • Like i mentioned before when team rwby splits into 2, more team ups outside of rw and by.

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    • I hope:

      Ruby: She and Yang have some funny moments and maybe fight together 

      Weiss: She convinces Winter that she needs her

      Blake: either some conformation of her relationship with Yang or Sun, OR some more backstory on Adam

      Yang: she learns what true strength is...maybe a fight between her and Cinder, interrupted by Neo or Ruby?  i can't wait for Volume 8!

      what do you think?  

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    • I hope for a ozpin vs Salem battle

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    • I only really want to see one thing this volume: Neo's first words of dialogue are "Fuck off Cinder" moments before she kills her and becomes the new Fall Maiden.

      Now that's how you create a popular villain.

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    • Guedjroy wrote: I only really want to see one thing this volume: Neo's first words of dialogue are "Fuck off Cinder" moments before she kills her and becomes the new Fall Maiden.

      Now that's how you create a popular villain.

      I would love to see that, though I doubt Neo will ever say a word. Plus I doubt Rooster Teeth will ever drop an f-bomb on RWBY like they do a lot of in Red vs. Blue.

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    • I don't want Neo to speak, unless it's a flashback. Part of her charm is that she doesn't talk, and therefore has to rely on body language to communicate.

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    • I actually would be okay with Neo being an evil version of Chell.  Someone who can speak, but chooses not to because she honestly doesn't give a damn about anyone around her.

      To that end, it would be massively entertaining to have her, out of the blue, just insult Cinder before murdering her, and then go back to being quiet for the rest of the show.

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    • Me neither. It's better that Neo doesn't speak even to insult Cinder.

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    • The Purpur Man wrote:
      Part of her charm is that she doesn't talk.

      The charm is that she's the only character on this show who is immune to Miles and Kerry's horrendously awful dialogue.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:
      The Purpur Man wrote:
      Part of her charm is that she doesn't talk.
      The charm is that she's the only character on this show who is immune to Miles and Kerry's horrendously awful dialogue.

      It honestly feels like you're only here to shit on Miles and Kerry. Stop.

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    • Am I wrong?

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    • This isn't about if you're wrong. This is about the fact that you're frankly, quite annoying.

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    • Answer the question.

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    • No.

      No as in I will not answer.

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    • No, you're right.  The dialogue is objectively one of the weakest aspects of the show, and Neo's lack of it is one of her most desirable characteristics.  But the way you go about pointing it out makes you look like you have some vendetta against the writers, which is why nobody takes your points to heart.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:
      The Purpur Man wrote:
      Part of her charm is that she doesn't talk.
      The charm is that she's the only character on this show who is immune to Miles and Kerry's horrendously awful dialogue.

      You've already done that bit. Find some new material if all you're going to do is hate on the writing with no positivity to balance it out.

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    • Guedjroy wrote: No, you're right.  The dialogue is objectively one of the weakest aspects of the show, and Neo's lack of it is one of her most desirable characteristics.

      I don’t get why people say that Neo is the best character because she has no dialogue. There’s nothing wrong with it (most of the time, admittedly), and saying that just makes you look like a toxic hater.

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    • Now as for my predictions:

      Whitley and Willow get some screentime.

      Ironwood gets killed (let’s be honest, i’ve done this one to death but I don’t care).

      Cinder FINALLY goes down.

      More Jacques screentime.

      Tyrian gets killed by Qrow.

      Oscar vs Salem/one of Salem’s minions.

      Ruby’s Group goes back to rescue Qrow and Robyn, or they escape themselves after Salem fucks things up.

      Salem actually wins and her Grimm take over Atlas and Mantle.

      CINDER BACKSTORY

      We see what exactly the Paladin Incident was.

      SUMMER FLASHBACK

      Penny gets eaten by Monstro, but survives.

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    • I'm not a hater, and I'm honestly hurt that you would think that of me.  I'm just saying that the dialogue is, in my honest opinion, the show's weakest quality.  I actually don't think it's horrible, it's just not particularly good.  I think it's important to listen to people's constructive criticism, and not just label them a hater because their viewpoint is divergent from yours.  Because doing so normalizes the word 'hater' and makes actual haters, like Reika, look mainstream and objective.

      To that end, I've never insulted or offered anything other than support and admiration to the writers of this show.  Dialogue isn't easy.  Most shows have subpar dialogue.  RWBY suffering from a common deficit such as this doesn't make it any less awesome, nor does it make me love it any less.  Just to get the record straight.

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    • Guedjroy wrote:
      I only really want to see one thing this volume: Neo's first words of dialogue are "Fuck off Cinder" moments before she kills her and becomes the new Fall Maiden.

      Now that's how you create a popular villain.

      Like Soundwave in Transformers Prime?

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    • Yes!  Exactly like Soundwave!

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    • I do not think it will ever happen, but Salem successfully captures Ruby and kills one major character trying to save Ruby during the capture.

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    • Guedjroy wrote: I'm not a hater, and I'm honestly hurt that you would think that of me.  I'm just saying that the dialogue is, in my honest opinion, the show's weakest quality.  I actually don't think it's horrible, it's just not particularly good.  I think it's important to listen to people's constructive criticism, and not just label them a hater because their viewpoint is divergent from yours.  Because doing so normalizes the word 'hater' and makes actual haters, like Reika, look mainstream and objective.

      To that end, I've never insulted or offered anything other than support and admiration to the writers of this show.  Dialogue isn't easy.  Most shows have subpar dialogue.  RWBY suffering from a common deficit such as this doesn't make it any less awesome, nor does it make me love it any less.  Just to get the record straight.

      Ah, i’m sorry man. I just thought you were saying the dialogue was terrible. I didn’t mean to come across as a bigot, and for that I apologize.

      I know that sometimes dialogue is bad (hell even I admit some dialogue could be better, like for instance Penny’s “perSonAL fEElinGs” bit), but not all of it is, and when people say that Neo’s best quality is that she has no dialogue, it really does paint them as one of those haters, but I guess not this time. I mean there are people like Reika who practically preach this kind of thing, and I guess I just snapped at you because you shared their opinion. And I mean in the “this show is utter dog-shit” kind of way. Again, apologies.

      Or maybe i’m just being too positive about this show, but hey, opinions.

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    • Somerandomguy93 wrote:

      I do not think it will ever happen, but Salem successfully captures Ruby and kills one major character trying to save Ruby during the capture.

      Yep, that’s a long shot alright.

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    • @Guedjroy I don't think you're a hater, and I don't understand why people get so offended when someone points out the dialogue on this show.  It's always been bad.  And that's not an indictment of the writers, it's just an objective opinion.

      Hang in there, friend.  I'm with you.

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    • But it's not all bad, and there are other pros to the shows. When you only crittique without citing any present postitives while also not offering possible improvements, it gets tedious and tiring.

      I acknowledge that RWBY is a flawed show, and I'll loudly beat my own drum about ways it fails that I seem to be the only one pointing out. I'm arrogant like that.

      That said, I will also make suggestions for improvements, celebrate the postives, and try to be respectful to the free show that brings this community together.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote: But it's not all bad, and there are other pros to the shows. When you only crittique without citing any present postitives while also not offering possible improvements, it gets tedious and tiring.

      And it only makes you look like you have absolutely nothing nice to say about the show, and therefore a hater, which is why I responded to Jroy the way I did. I know it was a mistake, but still.

      We all know this show has its faults, but there are also aspects that are good, and to only focus on the bad...well, I don’t need to repeat myself.

      I’m not still saying you’re a hater, Guedjroy, but still.

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    • I thought you were referring to Reika, if I'll be honest.

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    • Come on guys, I get we all have issues and opinions about the show but lets try and keep this thread about what we are hoping for next volLets just agree to disagree and get back on track.

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    • Guedjroy wrote:
      I actually would be okay with Neo being an evil version of Chell.  Someone who can speak, but chooses not to because she honestly doesn't give a damn about anyone around her.

      I doubt it. If Neo was a selective mute she wouldn't have pointed her mouth when Cinder said "Let's talk" in V6. A character like Chell would have just stared at her blankly.

      Glitchee123z wrote:

      Somerandomguy93 wrote:

      I do not think it will ever happen, but Salem successfully captures Ruby and kills one major character trying to save Ruby during the capture.

      Yep, that’s a long shot alright.

      I could see that Ruby is captured by Salem at some point. Probably as the lead up towards the final big fight in the show. Not in the V8 thought.

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    • Fusedtwilight wrote: Come on guys, I get we all have issues and opinions about the show but lets try and keep this thread about what we are hoping for next volLets just agree to disagree and get back on track.

      Gladly, before things get worse.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      Now as for my predictions:

      Whitley and Willow get some screentime.

      Ironwood gets killed (let’s be honest, i’ve done this one to death but I don’t care).

      Cinder FINALLY goes down.

      More Jacques screentime.

      Tyrian gets killed by Qrow.

      Oscar vs Salem/one of Salem’s minions.

      Ruby’s Group goes back to rescue Qrow and Robyn, or they escape themselves after Salem fucks things up.

      Salem actually wins and her Grimm take over Atlas and Mantle.

      CINDER BACKSTORY

      We see what exactly the Paladin Incident was.

      SUMMER FLASHBACK

      Penny gets eaten by Monstro, but survives.

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    • One thing I am most excited to see is Salem fighting. We got small snippets of her power before but now hopefully we can see what she can do with her magic.

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    • Maybe she’ll go up against Ironwood, or Oscar.

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    • I'm thinking more that she'll serve as a counter to the warships that have yet to be deployed.

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    • Maybe...or that could be the giant Whale Grimm.

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    • Well those things have been implied to have some heavy firepower, so she needs to keep them off balance. Even if her Whale has a devastating breath weapon, it will probably need time to charge, and I doubt big boy turns all that fast, so if the ships take the initiative and go on the offense, then then could keep it busy while shooting though Salem's hordes to get at Monstro.

      Of course if Atlas and mantle had defenses with bite, then you could really hammer them of balance, but noooooooo.

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    • Okay, so Salem takes out the defenses and then we see her fight a character.

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    • After the 4 years of qrowin withdrawal i need rt to give me at least a scene wherein qrow and winter have a heart to heart. cus if theyre gonna keep feeding the other shippers they might as well make it fair for the rest of us.

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    • I can see someone fighting Salem as a distraction, while everyone else fights the Grimm horde.

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    • Shipbaiting is very old news and you need to let it go. Seriously, you are the only one here still complaining over dead topics like this, as far as i’ve seen. Stop.

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    • I'd rather seen our heroes head in to throw her off balance in turn.

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    • The Purpur Man wrote:

      I can see someone fighting Salem as a distraction, while everyone else fights the Grimm horde.

      Oh you ninja’d me

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      The Purpur Man wrote:

      I can see someone fighting Salem as a distraction, while everyone else fights the Grimm horde.

      Oh you ninja’d me

      Me too.

      As for RT throwing the snowbird shippers a bone despite having not actually built it up at all  (even BB had more buildup by the end of v3)

      Warhammer40k heresy

      It's not canon, they're not doing it, stop.

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    • Yes, please stop.

      Now back to what we were talking about.

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    • I'm hoping the fleet cuts loose and we get to see a fine display of  combined arms to make up for the GOD DAMN LACK OF DEFENSIVE DAKKA!

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    • Maybe Atlas itself has better defenses than that god-awful hard-light barrier Argus had.

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    • Yeah, I honestly don't get why there was never a hint of implication that there were other Huntsmen/Huntresses to defend Mantle. Or at least a good reason why there weren't any.

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    • Maybe because Ruby’s Group, the Happy Huntresses and the Ace-Ops were the only ones available?

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    • Raven wakes up from her 2 Volumes long coma.

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    • The Purpur Man wrote:
      Yeah, I honestly don't get why there was never a hint of implication that there were other Huntsmen/Huntresses to defend Mantle. Or at least a good reason why there weren't any.
      Give that man a fortified postion

      Not what I meant, but that too, though I suspect there were more off screen.

      I was thinking more about how I'd guard that breach with an autocannon turret, IF I HAD ONE!
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    • MetallicArcher wrote:

      Raven wakes up from her 2 Volumes long coma.

      ^^^^^

      THIS

      I’ve been wondering what the hell she’s been doing all this time.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Maybe because Ruby’s Group, the Happy Huntresses and the Ace-Ops were the only ones available?

      Out of everyone in Mantle, only those guys were available? I don't really believe that.

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    • Well that seems to be the case.

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    • The Purpur Man wrote:
      Yeah, I honestly don't get why there was never a hint of implication that there were other Huntsmen/Huntresses to defend Mantle. Or at least a good reason why there weren't any.

      It seems like most Atlas graduates join the specialist unit, with the HH being a notorious exception.

      We DO were shown Specialists cleaning the Grimm at the abandoned mine.

      And we saw NR patrolling the Mantle Wall during the training montage, so border patrol missions are available.

      My impression was that Ironwood reassigned almost all Specialist (which make up the bulk of huntsmen active in Atlas Kingdom) to Atlas City/Amity.

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    • It's a big city, and I'd like to think that they were busy holding the line  or evacing different areas... off... screen.

      I really want a large scale battle they don't limit by having us need to repeatedly make inferences about off screen content.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      MetallicArcher wrote:

      Raven wakes up from her 2 Volumes long coma.

      ^^^^^ THIS

      I’ve been wondering what the hell she’s been doing all this time.

      I think back during V6 I said I would like to see Raven vs Wyvern.

      And after V7 I do think it would be hilarious if, after how much Ironwood has gone about Atlas saving the world, international comes were restored by Vale themselves repairing Beacon tower.

      That said, new theory: the Offical Companion book says that Cinder was able to influence the Wyvern by using her Maiden powers. Let's roll with the idea that magic can be used to control the Grimm.***

      Raven, being a more experienced magic user or powered up by the Relic of Choice, takes control of the Wyvern and rides it into battle and we get Salem with Monstro vs Raven with Kevin.

          • The idea of magic being used to control the Grimm doesn't strike me as completely out of left field: both come from the GoD and we were told Salem's father locked her up in a tower full of monsters that most likely refers to Grimm.
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    • Sentry 616 wrote: It's a big city, and I'd like to think that they were busy holding the line  or evacing different areas... off... screen.

      I really want a large scale battle they don't limit by having us need to repeatedly make inferences about off screen content.

      Didn’t they do something similar for the Battle of Beacon? Because I’m pretty sure that was sort of a large scale battle.

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    • We got a much better idea of that battlle, seeing mutilpe areas with several combatants. Mind you with them mentioning the Kingdom's defenses  (which were reinforced by Atlesian air support) but not showing those.

      It wasn't perfect, but it was still their best large scale battle.

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    • Speaking of the Battle of Beacon, where was Winter and Team NDGO while everything was going down?

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    • Winter had already left, but fair point on NDGO.

      Like I said, not perfect, but the best so far. A bar I want them to rocket past.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:

      Glitchee123z wrote:

      The Purpur Man wrote:

      I can see someone fighting Salem as a distraction, while everyone else fights the Grimm horde.

      Oh you ninja’d me

      Me too.

      As for RT throwing the snowbird shippers a bone despite having not actually built it up at all  (even BB had more buildup by the end of v3)

      Warhammer40k heresy

      It's not canon, they're not doing it, stop.

      Lmao look at all these salty ass antis

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    • Just drop it Gem

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    • GreatWestern4449 wrote: Speaking of the Battle of Beacon, where was Winter and Team NDGO while everything was going down?

      Probably dead

      Edit: NDGO I mean, not Winter.

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    • GreatWestern4449 wrote:
      Speaking of the Battle of Beacon, where was Winter and Team NDGO while everything was going down?

      Winter came back to Atlas, NDGO probably did the same in Vacuo. 

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    • Pretty sure it was said (and showed) in V3 that Winter returned to Atlas soon after her summoning lesson with Weiss.

      And about why there were no Huntsmen in Mantle. It has been at least heavily implied that Huntsmen graduaiting from Atlas Academy join military. They all might end up becoming specialists, but I wouldn't be surprised either if AA was Remnants equivalent of Military Officer School (meaning that a graduated Huntsman would be automatically a lieutenant of short).

      My point is that there is a posibility that at least some of the soldiers and/or higher officers we saw during the volume might have been Huntsmen.

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    • Guedjroy wrote:
      Yes!  Exactly like Soundwave!

      DAMN YOU NOW I WANT THAT! Can we still give her a British accent?

      MY biggest hope for this volume is that Ruby (stupidly) tries to head off Salem to find out more about her mother and gets mind raped for her troubles. (look it up on TvTropes, it's not as graphic as the description makes it out to be) Nothing spells character development like getting your mind violently ripped apart by a madwoman!

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    • Maybe Ruby could try to pull off yet another generic hero speech but Salem mind-rapes her in the middle of it.

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    • That'll work. Give Salem a bit like this before it.

      Salem: You hide your fear well. But it's there. I can sense it. Perhaps you just need a nudge... to remember...

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    • Maybe Salem could show Ruby a flashback to her mom’s death.

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    • I'll do you one better - Salem shows Ruby a fake vision of her mother's death which shows Summer surrendering to Salem and letting the witch kill her, because she had realised there was no chance of winning. This would demoralize Ruby because if her mother gave in to Salem, what chance does she have?

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    • I do admit, that’s way better.

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    • Let's get the witch playing some mind games with our girls!

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    • 86.152.12.193 wrote: I'll do you one better - Salem shows Ruby a fake vision of her mother's death which shows Summer surrendering to Salem and letting the witch kill her, because she had realised there was no chance of winning. This would demoralize Ruby because if her mother gave in to Salem, what chance does she have?

      Oh damn. I do not want to imagine the long-term psychological damage that is going to cause Ruby.

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    • At this point she needs to suffer some psychological damage.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote: At this point she needs to suffer some psychological damage.

      It would be even worse if Salem also has Ruby imprisoned, although she does not even need to physically torture her to break her.

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    • I would just like oscar to get the character development he needs cuz he's pretty much ignored by nearly everyone in the fandom

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    • Somerandomguy93 wrote:

      Glitchee123z wrote: At this point she needs to suffer some psychological damage.

      It would be even worse if Salem also has Ruby imprisoned, although she does not even need to physically torture her to break her.

      Without meaning to sound sadistic, I want Ruby to break next volume. If Salem can break our perpetually optimistic rosy cinnamon roll, she can break anyone. It would help establish her as a threat. 

      I also just want Ruby to go on a rampage and have an 'I'm a monster's moment afterwards. 

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    • Damn all ya'll wanting Ruby to get the angst beat out of her. But seeing how Salem was able to trigger Ruby by mentioning her mom I wouldn't be surprised if she drops some more info about Summer to mess with her.

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    • And that info actually affects Ruby in the long run.

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    • Man, I just want more Summer info.

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    • Don’t we all?

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    • I don't. Dead idols, parents or legendary heroes tend work better the less we know about them.

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    • Fusedtwilight wrote: Damn all ya'll wanting Ruby to get the angst beat out of her. But seeing how Salem was able to trigger Ruby by mentioning her mom I wouldn't be surprised if she drops some more info about Summer to mess with her.

      Likely though I can see someone like Maria or Ozpin foiling Salem's attempt to break Ruby and causing Ruby to regain hope.

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    • Fusedtwilight wrote:
      Damn all ya'll wanting Ruby to get the angst beat out of her.

      Yep. Speaking as someone who routinely bottles up small annoyances (and even large ones) to the point that they all explode out, I know that Ruby can't hold all of it back much longer. She's going to crack. It's just a matter of when and why.

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      Fusedtwilight wrote: Damn all ya'll wanting Ruby to get the angst beat out of her. But seeing how Salem was able to trigger Ruby by mentioning her mom I wouldn't be surprised if she drops some more info about Summer to mess with her.

      Likely though I can see someone like Maria or Ozpin foiling Salem's attempt to break Ruby and causing Ruby to regain hope.

      Possible, though i would rather salem succeeding in breaking ruby and then begin the process of the latter regaining hope later on. What would make it worse is after ruby is rescued, all of her friends are missing and she is either completely alone or maria is there with her.

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    • Somerandomguy93 wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:

      Fusedtwilight wrote: Damn all ya'll wanting Ruby to get the angst beat out of her. But seeing how Salem was able to trigger Ruby by mentioning her mom I wouldn't be surprised if she drops some more info about Summer to mess with her.

      Likely though I can see someone like Maria or Ozpin foiling Salem's attempt to break Ruby and causing Ruby to regain hope.
      Possible, though i would rather salem succeeding in breaking ruby and then begin the process of the latter regaining hope later on. What would make it worse is after ruby is rescued, all of her friends are missing and she is either completely alone or maria is there with her.

      I concur. It would be a much more compelling story if Ruby was broken and had to repair and evolve her damaged psyche than if she resisted being broken and stayed the same. Though I think that story line would be better suited to Volume 9 if we devote part of Volume 8 to the actual breaking. Maybe end the volume with Ruby a prisoner of Salem - I've got a whole theory on Guedjroy's threat going over that.

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    • They've got to get that lamp back from Cinder, before she gives it to Salem!

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    • No, let them have it. Let them have the lamp.

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    • I'm sure of when Salem is defeated Ruby and her camp have all of the relics, and maidens, and ozpin and ruby's silver eyes.

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    • I think either Oscar/Ozpin will use the Cane to turn back or freeze time in order to defeat Salem.

      Also, I think Ruby's silver eyes will purge Salem of her corruption and leave Cinder to take over.

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    • Tyrian dies

      Ironwood and Ace-Ops in prison

      Watts dies

      Pyrrha returns

      Penny Semblance

      Klein

      FNKI

      Joanna semblance

      Oscar semblance

      Oscar weapon

      Raven, Taiyang, and Zwei

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    • Does Penny even have a Semblance?

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    • Anonymously 20 wrote: Tyrian dies

      Ironwood and Ace-Ops in prison

      Watts dies

      Yes, Qrow needs to fulfill his vengeance and avenge Clover, or give Ruby or Jaune the honors of ending this psychopath.

      Ace-Ops may or may not come to the realization Ironwood has gone insane and no longer work for him for that reason. Marrow would leave the group.

      Watts, not sure about having him die though.

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    • Penny could have a semblance now, as she has a full aura

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    • True, Marrow would probably leave

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    • Either Watts or Jacques will be freed from prison because of some kind of "We still hate you, but we need something only you have/know/can do to survive" situation.

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    • Anonymously 20 wrote:
      Penny could have a semblance now, as she has a full aura

      We don't know it's full.

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    • I thought that when Fria died her aura was absorbed by Penny.

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    • Well the Maiden powers transferred. Can't double check for a while.

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    • They were going to transfer Amber's aura to Pyrrha to make her the next Fall Maiden, but it's unclear if that actually works. Sure, Winter said that Fria is now part of Penny, but I'm not sure if that meant that Fria's aura has merged with Penny's. We have to wait and see how (if) they are going to explain it.

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    • I'm not sure how they're going to wrap up Salem INVADING Atlas. Should be interesting.

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    • So, considering the kingdoms are about as big as each of our larger countries, like, say, Russia, or USA, or Canada, does that make the giant fucking flying whale the size of one of those? Because that scene of it coming to Atlas has it at least as large as the floating kingdom, if not larger.

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    • Despite Salem having made her appearance, Ironwood is more obsessed with confronting the heroes and destroying Penny. So, basically, there is a running battle with our heroes trying to avoid being killed by Atlesean kill-bots whilst stopping the Creatures Grimm from totalling the city.

      Observing the resulting anarchy, Robyn and Qrow are able to persuade the surviving Elite Agents to let them go to fight the Grimm ("Hey, it's a suicide mission and the General was only going to string 'em up anyway!")

      Instead of going to the city immediately, they go to Schnee mansion and persuade Willow to accompany them with a group of volunteers from the SDC's security militia. Wheatley is suspiciously absent.

      To say that Blake's reaction to a relief force of the hated SDC security militia is 'strained' is something of a understatement. It's remarkable that she's able to respond and do so usefully when Willow orders a group of the militiamen to accompany 'Captain Belladonna' to reinforce the left flank.

      Meanwhile, Cinder is trying to work out how to use the Artefact to destroy Ruby (it doesn't work that way). Neo, meanwhile, is watching the swelling battle and very obviously wondering whether she should be down there. Cinder finally activates Jinn and, after working out what she does, asks her the detailed route to become the goddess she wants to be. "This is something that you will never be able to do," is the Artefact of Knowledge's simple response. Cinder has a breakdown on the spot.

      Robyn has broken off the main battle and, accompanied by JNR, to to Vytal and use its transmitter to send a rallying call to all the people of Mantle to stand up together and let hope be their light in these darkest of times. We cut to Ironwood, listening to the transmission. He turns to Winter and the rest of the Elites and orders them to accompany him.

      The entire population of Mantle really do listen to Robyn; the majority of (human) Atlesean soldiers do too and the combined force drives back the Grimm. At that moment, Ironwood and his loyalists attack, him calmly ordering them to focus on Oscar and Penny, telling Winter that she must obtain the Winter Maiden's powers. At the last moment, Winter's last attack is blocked by an suit of Atlesian power armour. the helm opens to reveal Whitley. "I couldn't let you hurt her; she's a good person..." the buy coughs out around his bloody gasps. A horrified Winter is easily overwhelmed by RWBY and dragged down. Ironwood is disarmed by Qrow and looks around as the Elites are all being dragged down by the people, the SDC militia and even renegade soldiers. Robyn's voice blared from a speaker on an overhead airship, demanding that he surrender.

      At that point, Salem makes her personal appearance and does a Lord Sauron, easily swatting aside all the heroes before dismembering Penny and lifting her limbless body up to eye-to-eye. "If you want to save your friends, marionette, you'll surrender the artefacts to me." Ruby, kneeling by a dying Maria, lets loose; the silver eyes eradicate the Grimm army and... possibly for the first time since she took her swan dive into the Dark Brother's lake... Salem feels pain.

      Ruby is out cold but Penny is alive and intact, as is Whitley and Maria. Oscar speculates that the silver eyes can heal life as well as destroy the unlife of the Grimm but he never imagined that it could be on this scale. Willow tells him to 'stop babbling' and help her people get the injured to the SDC's research hospital for treatment.

      Suddenly, everyone looks up as someone taps the tip of their umbrella against the sidewalk. Neo, her hat at a jaunty angle, has the Artefact and points significantly at the unconscious Ruby.

      Epilogue scene is Salem pacing, looking genuinely worried and pensive. There are three cells in front of her, one containing a catatonic Cinder, one containing a thoroughly-beaten Watts (Salem doesn't reward failure) and the third... a kneeling Ironwood. "My lady," he says, his voice wavering and disturbing in its tone. "I will serve you if you restore me to my city and my position."

      Salem smiles thinly. "Welcome, my dear General."

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    • Holy damn that is detailed. I love it.

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    • That's probably exactly what's going to happen.  Nobody of consequence dies, the heroes win, off to Vacuo.  And that'll be it for me watching this show.

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    • Upon reflection it is very fanfictiony. Ironwood wouldn't be that short-sighted and the Silver Eyes just kill Grimm. Plus, come on - the ending was so cheap. I would have preferred if you'd let Whitley and Maria die - would make Winter's what-have-I-done moment more poignant. Yes to Salem doing a Sauron, though - that would be awesome.

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    • ant a redemption arc for cinder ?

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    • No-one here, no. She jumped off of the moral cliff a long time ago and earned the fandom's total and unrelenting hatred by killing Pyrrha.

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    • 46.193.145.104 wrote:
      Is there no one that want a redemption arc for cinder ?

      Some want it or would be interested, at least. However, there is a pretty vocal contingent who furiously hate the idea. Doing it would obviously annoy that group of fans quite a bit. Were it done well most would accept it regardless, I think. Rooster Teeth have clearly left an opening for the possibility. Believe Tyrian is the only one who has been canonically labeled irredeemable. Given it would be unlikely for Cinder to die until the Vacuo arc at the earliest, there is plenty of time to build that up.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      46.193.145.104 wrote:
      Is there no one that want a redemption arc for cinder ?
      Rooster Teeth have clearly left an opening for the possibility.
      Allow me to laugh even harder

      What show are you watching?

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    • What's with the fandom constantly wanting redemption arcs for every conceivable villain in the show? It genuinely boggles my mind.

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    • The Purpur Man wrote:
      What's with the fandom constantly wanting redemption arcs for every conceivable villain in the show? It genuinely boggles my mind.

      There's people like that in SO MANY fan bases. It's maddening. Some seem to think with what's under the pants, and some just seem delusional without anything specific I can assume as culprits. Don't even get me started on how often creators try to shove characters from villain into anti-hero or hero molds. And then they take obscure heroes and turn them intto bloodthirsty loonies with no depth.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      46.193.145.104 wrote:
      Is there no one that want a redemption arc for cinder ?
      Rooster Teeth have clearly left an opening for the possibility.
      Allow me to laugh even harder

      What show are you watching?

      I am watching the show where every character draws inspiration from a specific character and where they made a deliberate choice to have a major villain inspired by one of the most tragic fairy tale princesses available. Plus, the fact they have specifically stated Tyrian is irredeemable does suggest they are leaving open the possibility with other living villains in the series. Whether you want it or not or think it is doable or not is irrelevant to whether they are still leaving an opening for it.

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    • It's not a matter of whether or not it's 'doable'.  Frankly, that's a silly concept.  Every villain in every franchise in the history of storytelling technically 'can' be redeemed.  Fictional storytelling has no limits.  Literally anything can happen at any time.  That's the beauty of it.

      The more pertinent question is 'would Cinder being redeemed be good for the franchise?'  The answer is resoundingly: No.  It'd be silly, a betrayal of her entire established ethos, a trigger for mass viewership decline, and I doubt Miles and Kerry could do it justice anyway.

      It'd be a fucking disaster, and it'd be bad for the show.

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    • Oh god not the ‘Cinder could be redeemed’ debate again....

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    • We have an entire separate thread for that.

      And the reason people want more villains to be redeemed is because basically everyone liked Zuko and they want more of him, so they demand redemption arcs for every villain who looks vaguely sympathetic. That's my view on the matter anyhow.

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    • Well not every villain needs a redemption arc. Nor do they deserve one.

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    • EXACTLY! I like Zuko as much as the next guy, but not every villain is Zuko and people need to realise that!

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    • Yep. There is difference between "I would like if x happened" and what is actually good for the story.

      I think that the reason why people want villains to get redemption arcs because that way the villain will get more screen time and (in many cases) becomes part of the main cast. Which makes sense as who wouldn't love to see more of their favourite character? And them to be happy?

      I mean, I would love to have Pyrrha back in the show. But it actually happening? Oh that would probably be one of the stupidest things Crwby could do.

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    • Aside from redeeming Cinder that is.

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    • FWIW, I've long liked the idea of Cinder repenting before the end. Looking at herself and seeing the creature she's become - more Grimm than human - in her pursuit of power and never being afraid again. That, in that moment, she realises that it wsa all for nothing; that Salem (as she had with so many others) sold her fools gold which she had lapped up, blinded by her own averice and covetousness and has sold her humanity (and beauty - she strikes me as having a lot of vanity) to become a piece in someone else's game; little better than a slave.

      Maybe the last thing she'll say to Ruby before she crumbles into ash like the Grimm she is will be: "Thank you."

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    • Guedjroy wrote:
      It's not a matter of whether or not it's 'doable'.  Frankly, that's a silly concept.  Every villain in every franchise in the history of storytelling technically 'can' be redeemed.  Fictional storytelling has no limits.  Literally anything can happen at any time.  That's the beauty of it.

      Well, sure, but that wasn't really what I was saying. Theoretically, they could "redeem" Tyrian somehow, but that would be contradicting their own statements about him canonically being irredeemable and break their rule essentially on inspirations since his inspiration is all about being bad by nature. Only way they can make it work without that happening is if someone did some brain-scrambling thing on him to turn him good and there would be no real purpose for that action.

      The more pertinent question is 'would Cinder being redeemed be good for the franchise?'  The answer is resoundingly: No.  It'd be silly, a betrayal of her entire established ethos, a trigger for mass viewership decline, and I doubt Miles and Kerry could do it justice anyway.

      I am honestly skeptical that most viewers would care that much. Some of the more extreme and irrational people in the fandom might abandon the show over that sort of move, but most would have no problem sticking with it. Cinder's ethos isn't well-established since we only know her objective as opposed to her motivations and the backstory underlying them. Only the last point is a decent one as they might not be able to make it work.

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    • https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Cinder_Fall/Quotes#Beginning_of_the_End

      We may only know her goals, but they're pretty telling, and I'd consider goals tot be a big part of one's mottivation.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Cinder_Fall/Quotes#Beginning_of_the_End

      We may only know her goals, but they're pretty telling, and I'd consider goals tot be a big part of one's mottivation.

      I have said it before, but her long speeh in PvP is a potential source of insight. People seem to brush that off as elaborate theatrics. However, her comments in Volume 7 about Atlas are in a similar vein to her comments in that speech. To be precise, her opening comments are saying essentially the same thing as what she says about Atlas.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      Sentry 616 wrote:
      https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Cinder_Fall/Quotes#Beginning_of_the_EndWe may only know her goals, but they're pretty telling, and I'd consider goals tot be a big part of one's mottivation.
      I have said it before, but her long speeh in PvP is a potential source of insight. People seem to brush that off as elaborate theatrics. However, her comments in Volume 7 about Atlas are in a similar vein to her comments in that speech. To be precise, her opening comments are saying essentially the same thing as what she says about Atlas.

      You say this as if anything Cinder has ever said in public can be trusted.

      As for the idea of a redemption arc for Cinder? It's certainly possible, but only a minority of the audience would actually like it. Motivations towards villainy are not the same as sympathetic characteristics. Everything Cinder has ever done in the show was written to make her, undoubtedly, the antagonist. And though she was replaced by Salem as the primary antagonist, this does not make her any more redeemable.

      Let's examine a redemption arc done right. Zuko.

      (BTW, spoiler warning, but I guess we're way past that anyway.)

      Zuko is the primary antagonist for the beginning of the series, just like Cinder. But unlike Cinder, when we meet the new antagonists (General Zhao, Azula, and eventually, Firelord Ozai) we immediately want him to be redeemed, because all these other antagonists treat him like shit, and we recognise a hostility between them and Zuko that can be compared to the hostility to Team Avatar.

      This is where Cinder immediately deviates from Zuko's arc. Salem doesn't treat Cinder like shit. Despite a few remarks from Tyrian and Watts, Cinder's position in Salem's Inner Circle is pretty civil, although no one would call them friends. But this is natural because they're all pretty nasty people anyway. The first interaction we see between Salem and Cinder is one of encouragement. Salem defends Cinder, then praises her success at Beacon. Throughout Volume 4, Salem shows a tough love towards Cinder; she treats her harshly, but only so that Cinder can better heal.

      Do you see the difference here? I'll continue anyway:

      Over the course of Book 2 and 3 of ATLA, Zuko's loyalties change a lot, from his mentor, Uncle Iroh, to his manipulator, Azula, to himself, in a personal 'Zuko Alone' arc. This is actually similar to Cinder, but in her case, her mentor and manipulator are the same: Salem. And during her personal arc, her single goal is to earn her way back to Salem. Not once does she doubt the goals Salem has set for her, even in this one instance where Salem is, in fact, pulling a Firelord Ozai and exiling her with a half-burnt face. Like Zuko, she is abandoned with a difficult task to 'regain her honour', as it were. But unlike Zuko, she actually achieves her goal and heads straight back to Salem.

      Why is this? Because Zuko had a conflict between two influences, Azula and Iroh, where Cinder does not. Zuko was being pulled between his mentor and his manipulator, like a tug of war, but Salem takes both of those roles for Cinder, and leads her along like she's walking a dog.

      Because Cinder does not have a benevolent 'Uncle Iroh' figure, there is no suggestion at any point that she will redeem herself, because her entire character development thus far has been 'she's evil and power-hungry' to 'she's evil and power-hungry, AND she has a personal vendetta against the protagonist'. Redemption arcs should be desired by the majority of the audience, and that requires a lot of set-up. Set-up that CRWBY have not devoted to Cinder. And this tells us that a redemption arc for perhaps the most widely detested character in the series is not planned.

      (Wow, this getting long, but in for a penny, in for a pound.)

      Now that I've explained the groundwork for a good redemption arc, let's look at someone in the RWBY series who does have the set-up for redemption. Let's look at Emerald Sustrai.

      Emerald is introduced at the same time as Cinder, which means she doesn't get the whole Zuko-effect of being belittled as an antagonist by the new one. But what she does have is more important: Cinder, her manipulator whom she sees as her mentor, treats her like shit. In their first interaction, Cinder scolds Emerald for a job well done. Over the following volumes, we see Cinder continue to behave clinically towards Emerald and Mercury, and, at times, even abusively (the slap in Volume 3 Episode 7). Everything we've seen of this trio shows us a group of broken people who simply aren't healthy for each other. Or at least, for Emerald. Cinder's gaining from all of it, and Mercury's kind of indifferent, but Emerald is the kicked puppy who keeps coming back.

      Sound familiar?

      We skip a volume, because nothing really changes for Emerald throughout 4 and most of 5. But then, we get to Volume 5 Episode 11, where Emerald states: "I don't care about Salem! But I owe Cinder everything." This statement is set-up for her quasi-'Zuko Alone' style arc in Volume 6. Because Emerald is so dependent on Cinder (almost co-dependent; again, unhealthy) when Cinder is exiled from Salem's Inner Circle, Emerald experiences a severe loneliness that achieves something as if she were the one exiled; introspection. Without Cinder, she has to consider why she is allied with Salem. And she realises she doesn't have an answer, because she was only ever allied to Cinder. More importantly, without Cinder, Emerald gets a sense of what being near her is like, and what being away from her is like. And most importantly, Mercury.

      Mercury tells Emerald what we've been saying for 5 Volumes. Cinder doesn't care about her. Once Emerald firmly realises this, and she will (probably when she reunites with Cinder in Volume 8), it'll only be a matter of time before she defects.

      Then? I don't know. Maybe she'll start a gang with Neo or something. But this is where Emerald's character arc has been going, right from the start. Cinder's arc has not.

      So. The takeaway: redemption arcs are big things in writing, so if you can't see it coming from early on, it likely isn't coming at all. Emerald's arc obviously isn't the same as Zuko's. They're different characters. But she's a hell of a lot closer than Cinder is. This doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible to turn Cinder (or any character for that matter) around; we still haven't gotten her backstory, which is a huge problem when it comes to understanding and predicting her character arcs. But since literally EVERYTHING we do know about her points away from a redemption arc, I, for one, seriously doubt that it's ever going to happen.

      Whew. Now that I've got that out of my system, can we please get back to the thread at hand?

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      Beautiful. A true work of art. I tip my hat to you.

      But yeah, I'd be more than down for an Emerald redemption arc.

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    • As would I.

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    • Me three.  If that doesn't put to rest this ridiculous clamoring for a Cinder redemption arc, nothing will.

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    • 86.170.30.241 wrote:

      You say this as if anything Cinder has ever said in public can be trusted.

      I mean, I literally said people might say it can't be trusted, however, the key point is that her speech in Volume 3 and her comments to Winter in Volume 7 essentially overlap. The latter were not made in public for some kind of propaganda effect. Cinder was expressing her rage and frustration during a personal confrontation. So, we have far more reason to believe it is credible and that therefore her speech in Volume 3 blended in some element of her genuine feelings.

      It's certainly possible, but only a minority of the audience would actually like it.

      Doubt there has been some kind of scientific survey on the topic for anyone to be able to reliably assert that. Clearly, there are some people who are very outspoken against it, but how much of the fandom and viewership they represent is not clear.

      Motivations towards villainy are not the same as sympathetic characteristics.

      Not always, but sometimes a person's motivations can be sympathetic.

      Let's examine a redemption arc done right. Zuko.

      The Zuko comparison and reference to Emerald have something in common: they involved characters whose redemption arc are entirely predictable and could be seen coming a mile away. Being predictable and expected does not mean an arc is "done right" at all. What was done right about Zuko's is that they actually pulled a head-fake with his redemption arc in Book 2. It only delayed the inevitable, but it was still a genuine twist because it wasn't the obvious choice. You expect and want Zuko to change sides, so him refusing and reverting to his antagonism has a bigger impact.

      Emerald getting a redemption arc would be doing exactly what everyone expects. That doesn't mean they can't or won't still do it, but it just isn't an argument against Cinder having one. I did say a decent argument against a Cinder redemption arc is whether the writers could pull it off, but it being harder to make happen in a convincing way for the audience is an argument for why it would be good if done well, not why it shouldn't be done at all.

      One thing in your elaboration that is worth noting is how Cinder shows no apparent conflict. I think people are too quick to use that as an argument against redemption. Given her inspiration, apparent age, and the implications of what backstory we have for her, it is likely Cinder went pretty much straight from an abusive home environment to being groomed to be a killer for years by Salem. How that happened is unclear, but probably significant in itself for her story. Whatever grievance she appears to have against the Kingdoms and Atlas specifically is also likely to be significant.

      However, that history probably is exactly the kind of thing that could generate sympathy for her character presuming it gets properly revealed in time. One thing about Adam is that by the time they revealed something genuinely significant about his character that seriously alters how people perceive him, he was already boxed in by the plot. He had no real reason to continue being in the story with the White Fang collapsed. It would have been possible to keep him in, but it would have been harder. Cinder, on the other hand, is essentially guaranteed to stay until some time around the end of the Vacuo arc.

      Something else that is important is that a character has some kind of positive trait. With Cinder that trait is clearly her loyalty to Salem. While that loyalty may manifest itself in doing horrible things, it is also clear that her loyalty isn't strictly out of fear. She has no reason to suspend her efforts against Ruby in Atlas, but she does so even without an explicit order from Salem. Rather, she simply discerns Salem's intent and acts on it without hesitation.

      I think it is hard not to see her actions as being motivated out of some sort of gratitude or a feeling that she owes Salem and it is different from the more contractual nature of the relationship Salems has with Watts and Hazel, while obviously lacking the fanatics of Tyrian's. It strikes me as something of a mother-daughter relationship, which is significant given her inspiration. Yet we know Salem is a master manipulator, so it is possible the relationship isn't quite what Cinder thinks and that being made clear to her in some way is the kind of thing that can mark the beginning of a redemption arc.

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    • Would like to see more Ruby and Blake team ups, which we have not seen since volume 2 with the Atleisan Paladin (I think it is).

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    • Same here.

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    • They definitely teamed up during V2, but only for a little bit.

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    • Somerandomguy93 wrote:
      Would like to see more Ruby and Blake team ups, which we have not seen since volume 2 with the Atleisan Paladin (I think it is).

      Since they are in an aircraft at the end of Volume 7, they could always do the trope where their plane gets shot out of the sky and they end up separated from each other.

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    • I wonder if Oscar/Ozpin will seek out the Happy Huntresses in the early episodes. They're basically the only characters we know of still in Mantle, and he'll need allies to save Atlas, magic or no. Plus, it'd be interesting to see Fiona, May, and Joanna go against Tyrian, who's also probably down in Mantle, though I'd be worried for them (especially considering Fiona's close call).

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    • That would be cool, actually.

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    • Nice idea but I don't he would do it on purpose. Oscar has only ever met Robyn and the Happy Huntresses would have no idea who he is either. I would see him bumping to them by accident though.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      I wonder if Oscar/Ozpin will seek out the Happy Huntresses in the early episodes. They're basically the only characters we know of still in Mantle, and he'll need allies to save Atlas, magic or no. Plus, it'd be interesting to see Fiona, May, and Joanna go against Tyrian, who's also probably down in Mantle, though I'd be worried for them (especially considering Fiona's close call).

      I suspect Tyrian is going to try and meet up with his goddess as soon as possible. He does know she's coming given the call from Ruby that Qrow received. No reason for him to stick around Mantle long, unless she tasks Tyrian specifically with grabbing Oscar or something.

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    • That's a good point, but Tyrian is also Tyrian and loves hurting people. Either way he's going to end up fighting the heroes in some form.

      Also, he can probably tell Salem is coming from the GIANT WHALE GRIMM FLYING OVER MANTLE, as well as Ruby's call.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      That's a good point, but Tyrian is also Tyrian and loves hurting people. Either way he's going to end up fighting the heroes in some form.

      Also, he can probably tell Salem is coming from the GIANT WHALE GRIMM FLYING OVER MANTLE, as well as Ruby's call.

      Well, yes, but he was heading to Mantle before it showed up. Don't know the timefram, but decent chance he will be more than able to get to Salem quickly and won't have time to stick around to fight with other people. So, unless they cut to him in the middle of a fight when Salem appears, it seems unlikely there will be such a random encounter in Volume 8.

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    • I was kind of joking. Sorry, sarcasm isn't so obvious in writing, but I'm a _very_ sarcastic person. I wasn't trying to antagonise you.

      Also, thinking about it, he proabably will be more interested in getting to Salem to see what sort of terrible destruction she wreaks upon Atlas. I know I'm certainly interested in seeing her fight.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      I'm a _very_ sarcastic person.

      Damnit, italics don't work.

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    • I imagine that the at end of Atlas arc the people of Atlas and Mantle will need the help of the other kingdoms like Mistral or Vacuo to deal with their situation, it will be a nice reversal of the situations before when it was Atlas that acted as the support and protector of all the kingdoms.

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      I imagine that the at end of Atlas arc the people of Atlas and Mantle will need the help of the other kingdoms like Mistral or Vacuo to deal with their situation, it will be a nice reversal of the situations before when it was Atlas that acted as the support and protector of all the kingdoms.

      That is assuming Salem's plans allow it. One thing I am expecting to see is what exactly Watts was planning to do with the Amity Communications Tower. My suspicion is that Atlas will manage to stave off the invasion, but it will probably involve using the staff and Atlas dropping to the ground (gently, I am assuming). In doing so the heroes feel a certain relief and continue with Ironwood's original plan only to realize Watts had managed to slip in something that completely sabotages their original intent in launching the ACT. What I think is Watts may plant an altered message ostensibly from Ironwood or whoever and it will have the effect of essentially declaring war.

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    • Yeah, I got the impression that Watts had finished his mission before Ironwood confronted him too.

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    • BenRG wrote:
      Yeah, I got the impression that Watts had finished his mission before Ironwood confronted him too.

      Don't know if he finished it exactly. However, we know he is still alive and the ACT is not difficult to locate. Odds are he will have a jailbreak during Salem's attack and thus be able to complete his task.

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    • Thatt's.... not what I took away. My take was that he got bothing accomplished because was hacking into an incomplete system and Ironwood was waiting.

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    • No-one here, no. She jumped off of the moral cliff a long time ago and earned the fandom's total and unrelenting hatred by killing Pyrrha.

      ---

      Summer: Salem hinted she had met Summer and may have been the one to kill her, would like to know how they met and the circumstances of Summer's death. Was she doing a secret mission for Ozpin or was she acting on her own?


      Oh, fuck Pyrrha! I'm so sick and tired of hearing everyone going on about her. At best she was an overpowered mary-sue love interest for Jaune and got herself killed for being stupid enough to think that she could win against somebody clearly stronger than her. End of story.

      As for what might've happened between Summer and Salem, well, if Summer's anything like her daughter then she probably rushed into battle without thinking about the consequences. Ruby has proven time and again that whenever something dangerous she always has to get involved regardless of whether she's actually capable of handling the threat or not. I've said it before and I'll say it again, that behavior is going to get Ruby killed one day and it's probably what ended up happening to Summer as well.

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    • If Raven finally shows up:

      1) She could make a huge difference against Salem.

      2) She might bring some old allies with her; Taiyang, but also Glynda, Port, Oobleck and ZWEI.

      3) Maybe she can help evacuate Atlas and Mantle through portals to another Kingdom.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      If Raven finally shows up:

      1) She could make a huge difference against Salem.

      Not really. Salem was able to hold back (and win) against Ozma when he still had all of his magic. Raven has less than 1/5th of that power. Plus she is less experienced with magic in general and not even fully realised Maiden, or whatever Winter called Fria.

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    • I hope Raven dies, sacrificing herself for Yang.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      I hope Raven dies, sacrificing herself for Yang.

      Not me, that would be too cheap and she has still much to answer for to her daughter, Qrow and the others.

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    • I think it would help with her redemption, but she's going to have to suffer a bit more before that.

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    • And she has to answer Yang about the reason why she left and to make up at least partially for abandonning her twice and pretending that she didn't give a fuck about her survival, and to Qrow for the particulary odious way she has treated him for years and for her actions at Haven. 

      And it wouldn't be good development if we only see Raven only redeeming herself by taking a killing blow to protect Yang and to not see her sincerely trying to atone for her actions and cowardice.

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    • I didn’t say that she should sacrifice herself without trying to reconcile with her daughter first.

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    • Like I siad, death will help, but it won't be enough on it's own.

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    • She may also have at least one interaction with Ruby about Summer , and a sincere one this time.

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      Thatt's.... not what I took away. My take was that he got bothing accomplished because was hacking into an incomplete system and Ironwood was waiting.

      I don't think it being incomplete was the problem. Watts just didn't have time to do anything because Ironwood showed up, but now that Ironwood is occupied, he just needs to get free and he can carry out what he intended.

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      If Raven finally shows up:

      1) She could make a huge difference against Salem.

      Not really. Salem was able to hold back (and win) against Ozma when he still had all of his magic. Raven has less than 1/5th of that power. Plus she is less experienced with magic in general and not even fully realised Maiden, or whatever Winter called Fria.

      But against the Grimm in general. I don't think anyone could stand against Salem alone, not even Ozpin. It would take at least a full team just to challenge her. That's why she works so hard to divide her enemies before even attacking.

      Plus, she is probably the most experienced Maiden left now that Fria's gone (but we don't know about Summer); she's had her powers maybe a few years, since killing the last Spring Maiden.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      But against the Grimm in general. I don't think anyone could stand against Salem alone, not even Ozpin. It would take at least a full team just to challenge her. That's why she works so hard to divide her enemies before even attacking.

      Plus, she is probably the most experienced Maiden left now that Fria's gone (but we don't know about Summer); she's had her powers maybe a few years, since killing the last Spring Maiden.

      While Raven could easily show up next to Yang or Qrow any time she desires, there is little reason to believe she would go out to confront Salem. Furthermore, she doesn't have any obvious reason to believe anything is happening. She could found out at any time, of course, but she would need a reason. Although she visited Tai, it isn't clear that she is doing so to stick around long. The significance of her visiting him is unclear as it has been two Volumes during which a lot of time has passed. Her tribe is still out there.

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    • I think season eight might turn into a midpoint for the story. Team RWBY was able to defeat the Ace Ops, showing off just how powerful they have become. However, Salem has finally arrived and what better way to show off how powerful and unbeatable a  villain is than by displaying just how woefully under-prepared the heroes are for them? I think Team RWBY will fight and be forced to flee, knowing they can't stand against Salem as she is and turning it into even more of a race to get the Relics so they will be able to win. It also forces the protagonists to be more self-reliant without their allies, adding to character growth.  I feel at least half of the volume will deal with them in Atlas, and end with them in a more competitive situation of trying to race to Vacuo to get the Relic. The characters now knowing what they are dealing with, but don't have the luxury of time like they did in season four.

      I'm thinking Raven's involvement is unlikely. There are already a lot of characters in play and adding her to the mix could prove chaotic. 

      As for stuff I want to see, I'd like to see Emerald and Mercury get new outfits. In the show's timeline, they've been wearing the same clothes for around two years, which is a long time to wear anything. 

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    • I'm thinking Raven's involvement is unlikely. There are already a lot of characters in play and adding her to the mix could prove chaotic.

      That's a point; they introduced so many characters in Volume 7, they almost forgot Maria.

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    • In fact, with so many characters at this point, and CFVY and SSSN likely going to show up in the Vacuo arc, I wonder if they'll split the party permanently. For example, RWBY will go onto Vacuo, but maybe JNR and Oscar will go back to Beacon to help out there while Qrow might go on a revenge mission against Tyrian and Salem. This would allow for better distribution of characters; we'll see Glynda again interacting with Ozpin's reincarnation, Raven and Tai joining Qrow (maybe finding Summer, alive or dead), and maybe we'll have a perspective on Winter, Penny, and Robyn in a recovering Atlas (I'm pretty sure Ironwood's going to die and Winter might succeed him).

      And yes, I understand that these sound unlikely (esecially that last one) but there are just so many things that could happen at this point.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      In fact, with so many characters at this point, and CFVY and SSSN likely going to show up in the Vacuo arc, I wonder if they'll split the party permanently. For example, RWBY will go onto Vacuo, but maybe JNR and Oscar will go back to Beacon to help out there while Qrow might go on a revenge mission against Tyrian and Salem. This would allow for better distribution of characters; we'll see Glynda again interacting with Ozpin's reincarnation, Raven and Tai joining Qrow (maybe finding Summer, alive or dead), and maybe we'll have a perspective on Winter, Penny, and Robyn in a recovering Atlas (I'm pretty sure Ironwood's going to die and Winter might succeed him).

      And yes, I understand that these sound unlikely (esecially that last one) but there are just so many things that could happen at this point.

      I think it is more likely that Oscar is gonna end up getting nabbed by Salem during this Atlas arc since he is probably an allusion to Dorothy and Salem being the Wicked Witch of the West coming in with flying monkies is a little too brazen to ignore. Maybe they won't go with that obvious nod, but I think it actually works best from a narrative standpoint. Salem would probably not kill Oscar, since him being captive is more useful since killing him just means he jumps to a new body. What this means is we would get Oscar regularly interacting with the various villains at Salem's castle.

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    • I think it is more likely that Oscar is gonna end up getting nabbed by Salem during this Atlas arc since he is probably an allusion to Dorothy and Salem being the Wicked Witch of the West coming in with flying monkies is a little too brazen to ignore. Salem would probably not kill Oscar, since him being captive is more useful since killing him just means he jumps to a new body. What this means is we would get Oscar regularly interacting with the various villains at Salem's castle.

      That is a better idea. Hazel and Oscar seem to have an interesting dynamic wiating to be explored, not to mention Salem. Plus, it would be a very sensible plan for Salem, especially since Ozpin's return; now that RWBY and co. might actually understand why Ozpin lied and he can help them again, what better time to abduct him? Can't make things too easy.

      Though, I thought the Headmaster of Shade alluded to Dorothy, and Oscar alluded to Princess Ozma (the truly magical and rightful ruler of Oz who had been raised in secret on a farm).

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:

      That is a better idea. Hazel and Oscar seem to have an interesting dynamic wiating to be explored, not to mention Salem. Plus, it would be a very sensible plan for Salem, especially since Ozpin's return; now that RWBY and co. might actually understand why Ozpin lied and he can help them again, what better time to abduct him? Can't make things too easy.

      Though, I thought the Headmaster of Shade alluded to Dorothy, and Oscar alluded to Princess Ozma (the truly magical and rightful ruler of Oz who had been raised in secret on a farm).

      We already have a character named Ozma, so it seems unlikely Oscar would be a reference to the same character. Plus, Dorothy is a major character in the story of Oz being the heroine of the story who brought down the Wicked Witch, represented by Salem in RWBY. Having a Headmaster at Shade fill that role would seem a bit off. Best fit is for Oscar to be Dorothy. He does match better as he actually was a nobody until a magical event happened to throw him into a special situation.

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    • So does Headmaster Theodore refer to Toto, the dog? It could make sense; Toto often behaves in ways that benefit Dorothy and co. as much as hinders them. For example, jumping out of the balloon to chase a kitten, causing Dorothy to miss her ride home. Plus, if Faunus are so welcome in Vacuo, he is the most likely headmaster to be one.

      Maybe Ozpin has a double allusion? Ozpin, Ozma's previous reincarnation, alludes to the dishonest Wizard of Oz while Ozma, himself, alludes to Princess Ozma, the magical true ruler of Oz? And Oscar alludes to Dorothy? That seems... complicated but easily possible.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      So does Headmaster Theodore refer to Toto, the dog? It could make sense; Toto often behaves in ways that benefit Dorothy and co. as much as hinders them. For example, jumping out of the balloon to chase a kitten, causing Dorothy to miss her ride home.

      Because Theodore's loyalty to Ozpin's group is questionable.

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    • My personnal interpretation of Theodore is that he is someone who strongly disagrees with Oz and the other Headmasters when it comes to the protection of the world, the formation of Huntsmen and war against Salem and that he is never afraid of criticizing his fellow headmasters; though deep down he feels real respect and loyalty for Ozpin and would never betray him unlike Lionheart and Ironwood. 

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    • It would seem that Salem has found the levers with which to divide and either beat or subvert all the headmasters: Ozpin's shame and paranoia about revealing secrets, Lionheart's cowardice and Ironwood's trust in science and desire to control. I had no doubt that she will have found a lever with which to manipulate Theodore too.

      My call is that, one way or another, the world in which our heroes grew up is doomed and they are living through the birth of a new epoch in Remnant in social, political and other terms. Hence the references to revolution and evolution in the volume 1 opening titles song.

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    • I think that both the Happy Huntresses and the Ace Operatives are probably going to get slaughtered come Volume 8. Think about it, they're going to have to build Salem up to being "The Dreaded" somehow otherwise the stakes won't feel important enough.

      And what better way to do that then to just have her brutally tear her way through two elite groups of hunters without breaking a sweat?

      Also, I really hope that one of the main characters dies in this volume because honestly, it's been a while since one of them has bitten it (my money's on either Qrow or Ren). And I think that their due a loss at this point.

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    • I hope that Yang's PTSD and depression will be gone. She may even get a new outfit and maybe even get another Ember Celica copy for her right arm. Her hair grows longer like her Vol 1-3 version. And finally, her dark counterpart, Yin.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      So does Headmaster Theodore refer to Toto, the dog? It could make sense; Toto often behaves in ways that benefit Dorothy and co. as much as hinders them. For example, jumping out of the balloon to chase a kitten, causing Dorothy to miss her ride home. Plus, if Faunus are so welcome in Vacuo, he is the most likely headmaster to be one.

      Toto is honestly the only major character left that would fit, honestly. It needs to be a character from Oz major enough that it meshes with the other headmasters. One issue is that Oscar being Dorothy means Theodore being Toto doesn't mesh with that. A possible way to address that would be if Theodore ends up being the one headmaster that actually keeps his job at the end, as Ironwood is now pretty much doomed to lose it, and Oscar ends up at Shade when everything is over.

      Maybe Ozpin has a double allusion? Ozpin, Ozma's previous reincarnation, alludes to the dishonest Wizard of Oz while Ozma, himself, alludes to Princess Ozma, the magical true ruler of Oz? And Oscar alludes to Dorothy? That seems... complicated but easily possible.

      It is not that complicated. Ozma, Ozpin, and Oscar, are all different people. Ozma merged with various people, eventually including Ozpin. After Ozpin died Ozma/Ozpin merged with Oscar. How much they actually merge is unclear. We tend to think of Oscar as separate and it is possible that will remain the case on some level until the end and maybe Oz will be separated from him leaving just Oscar.

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    • Cinder Fall Backstory; how I think we're going to get it.

      - Cinder returns to Salem's group with the Lamp, welcomed back.

      - Salem explains the Lamp's powers, in the interest of being better than Ozpin, who kept his followers in the dark. However, she doesn't know how many questions are left, not that she even needs them.

      - Emerald, using hallucinations, steals the Lamp from Cinder or Salem (whoever is keeping it on them) and uses the last question: "Why doesn't Cinder love me?" or something similar.

      - Then we get another Jinn-Vision, but this time of Cinder's backstory, to answer her question.

      I know it isn't original, but Cinder isn't the type to just spontaneously gush about her past, so it's the best idea I've got.

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    • Can Emerald maybe be more than just a fawning, sycophantic moron?  I'd be in favor of that.

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    • I, too, would be in favour of that. She needs to figure out that Cinder never cared about her and leave that in the past. Whether she stays with Salem or breaks away to become a neutral party, I don't know, but there's definitely some juicy storylines you could come up with from that premise.

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    • I always just imagined we’d get a flashback episode on her backstory like Beginning of the End.

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    • "Tell me, child," Salem asked Emerald imperiously. "Do you really know anything about this woman after whom your heart longs so desperately? It is truly a fascinating story. Attend me now and hear the truth about Cinder Fall."

      Basically, Salem does it as a mind-screw because she wants to see Emerald's heart broken.

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    • That'd be the dumbest thing Salem could possibly do.  There's literally one reason Emerald is on Team Salem, and that's Cinder.  Take that away, and she's defecting for sure.

      Then again, with how stupid all these characters generally behave, that would make perfect sense.  I'm sure the fans will just say, "well, Salem didn't get any sleep in the last 24 hours, so she wasn't thinking straight.  Makes sense to me."  So by all means.  Do it.

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    • It could make sense if Cinder was trying to use Emerald against Salem. So Salem revealing truth about Cinder to her would take away a very powerful ally from her, but could also make Emerald funerable enough for Salem to manipulate her as she pleases.

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    • It's been established quite clearly that Salem doesn't like humans v.2.0 at all. I think that stamping on Emerald's heart from a height would classify as 'recreation' for her.

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    • Unless Salem is done with Emerald, or trying to transplant her loyalty, I don't see Salem doing that since Emerald is useful.

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    • 86.170.171.2 wrote:
      I, too, would be in favour of that. She needs to figure out that Cinder never cared about her and leave that in the past. Whether she stays with Salem or breaks away to become a neutral party, I don't know, but there's definitely some juicy storylines you could come up with from that premise.

      Don't know why people think Cinder doesn't care about Emerald. Mercury's claim is not something I take too seriously. After all, he probably doesn't know what it would even look like for someone to care about someone, especially if the person wasn't obvious about it. What I do think is that either Volume 8 will answer that question or Emerald will somehow make Mercury wrong by caring for Cinder so much in some situation that she actually changes her or awakens her to seeing things different.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Don't know why people think Cinder doesn't care about Emerald.

      The complete lack of interest Cinder has in her welfare, beyond as a tool to sow chaos? The manipulative, sometimes violent, behaviours towards her? The indifference in the face of Emerald's affections? The exploitation of those affections to command stronger loyalty? The fact that Cinder's only two desires are: making Ruby suffer and gaining more Maiden powers?

      I really, really don't want to argue about this. I feel like we'll just get back to Cinder's redemption arc, and that way madness lies.

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    • But don't you know?  Underneath her apathetic, uncaring, boring exterior, Cinder is actually an empathetic, compassionate, multifaceted individual with untold depths of emotion and complex thoughts that extend beyond her seemingly idiotic quest for power at the expense of her autonomy and freedom.  Or at least that's what her (admittedly small) legion of horny pubescent fanboys think.

      Seriously though, anybody who thinks Cinder cares about Emerald (or anyone besides herself for that matter) is living in a fantasy world.  There's been not a hint of evidence of that, spanning 7 years of content.  You might as well believe the world is flat, because there's just as much evidence of that as there is evidence of Cinder caring about Emerald.

      Or let me put it this way: Have you known someone to say "don't think, obey" to someone they care about?  Of course not.  Wake up, and smell the fuckin coffee.

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    • Oh, come now. Surely there is a chance that we'll see a flashback of young Cinder on a date with her best friend in school, Draco, wearing his leather pants? ;-)

      No, I didn't think so either.

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    • Can we please get back on topic guys

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    • We are on topic, Glitch.  We're discussing the odds of Cinder and Emerald having a rampant make-out session in Volume 8.  And it appears the odds are decidedly low.

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    • I thought this was supposed to be a thread about predictions for Volume 8 but now it’s just another argument whether Cinder will be redeemed or not. Jesus fucking christ.

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    • Qrow (hopefully not) will be wrongfully sentenced to death for the murder of Clover unless there is evidence that can prove his innocence (Tyrian's fingerprints on Harbringer). If he does get sentenced, I see our heroes having to break into the prison and break Qrow out. End of volume, the heroes are on the run as fugitives.

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    • I don’t see him being sentenced to death, more like just imprisoned.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      I thought this was supposed to be a thread about predictions for Volume 8 but now it’s just another argument whether Cinder will be redeemed or not. Jesus fucking christ.

      If I'll be honest, your constant demanding for threads going back on topic is getting really annoying. Please.

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    • Look, I’m sorry, I’m just really tired of threads always derailing all the time. And I’m REALLY sick of the constant arguments happening over Cinder being redeemed or having some good qualities or some shit. It gets really annoying to see after a while.

      Can we just....not, please? For once?

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    • I'm with Purpur on this one.  You take this too seriously, Glitch.  This is an internet forum, and one that deals with a silly fictional cartoon.  Let the conversations steer themselves.  It's not like it makes a difference in the end, anyway.  These threads aren't going to end up in a library.

      And, for the record, I don't believe anybody mentioned Cinder being redeemed on this thread.  What we were talking about was whether or not she cares about Emerald, which is directly related to whether or not some of the predictions listed here will happen in V8.  So, not sure why you're so upset anyway.

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    • Yeah...I thought it over, and I was considering doing that long before you replied. My apologies. Still sick of the Cinder arguments though, but now I’ll stop.

      And about the Cinder being redeemed thing...ignore that, that was just me being stupid.

      Anyway, so uh, yeah. Sorry about that.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:

      The complete lack of interest Cinder has in her welfare, beyond as a tool to sow chaos? The manipulative, sometimes violent, behaviours towards her? The indifference in the face of Emerald's affections? The exploitation of those affections to command stronger loyalty? The fact that Cinder's only two desires are: making Ruby suffer and gaining more Maiden powers?

      Very little of what you said is true and is merely you stating opinions as fact. She slapped her one time for mouthing off, which hardly amounts to proof of lacking affection. It does suggest she views her as a child and unequal, but that isn't too surprising given their respective positions and apparent age difference. Her desires are also clearly not so limited and what drives her desires is still an open question. This is the problem with the discussion. You are believing what you want to believe and treating it as indisputable fact, when it is nothing of the sort.

      I honestly don't think there is any valid basis for saying she doesn't care about Emerald and I think it is genuinely contradicted by what we have seen of their relationship in its entirety, rather than what a person can claim by cherry-picking and misrepresenting certain parts of that relationship. However, the real question is not whether she cares about her, but whether she cares about her enough and if there is any way that could change. I presume Emerald will show up in Atlas and we will get some kind of answer to that question in the coming Volume or the next one depending on how the arc plays out.

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    • I didn't read anything Advocate just said beyond the first sentence.  I'm just going to assume it was more of the same pervasive, pro-Cinder propaganda that I've become accustomed to hearing from him.  Y'know, making her seem kinder, smarter, and more complex than she's actually depicted as in the show.

      I used to read his comments on the off chance that he'd relent and just admit that he's wrong (like a reasonable person would), but I've since come to the unfortunate conclusion that such a turn of events would be scientifically impossible.  He's gonna ride this train until it plunges off the cliff and hurtles into the ground, exploding on contact.  And even then, amidst the flaming detritus and broken dreams, he'll still insist that he was somehow right all along.

      But I won't actually see that happen, because I'll probably ignore that comment as well.

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    • I’ve seen many people always respond to people like Advocate. People with outlandish beliefs that, despite evidence to the contrary, they are adamant about. People who constantly defend RWBY’s villains, people who think the show keeps contradicting its own lore, etc.

      I stopped arguing with those people long ago, because I actually recognize (unlike most) that it’s not worth wasting my time trying to reason with someone who is very clearly not going to change their mind no matter what anyone says.

      I also stopped trying to get other people to ignore them as well. They just kept arguing with everything That One User said, and kept doing it for years. I recognized that that too was a complete waste of my time.

      So I just prefer to stay out of every argument with That One User with their delusional beliefs I see on this site.

      I just hope that other people start to wake up and ignore them too.

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    • 'That One User'?  You realize that you've just summoned me, right?  And as commanded by the bylaws of eternity, I am duty-bound to torment you for 10,000 years.  Silly, silly, little fool.

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    • OH NOOOOOOOOOO 😱😱😱

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    • ...Except the comment literally said none of that, Gued.

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    • I mean...it kind of did....considering that Advocate’s stance is that Cinder may have some good qualities (IE: caring about Emerald).

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    • I'd just like to point out that Reika hasn't posted a single comment in nearly a month on any thread, and when Glitchee refered to her (not even by name) she immediately responded less than 3 minutes later.

      I hate to tell you this, Glitch, but I think you might have a stalker.  Buy some home security.

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    • ....I wasn’t specifically referring to Reika. I was using “That One User” to refer to pretty much any user on this sight who’s unorthodox opinions frequently land them into arguments with people.

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    • Also...fuck now I’m worried that I’m being stalked.

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    • You don't have to be worried.  I'll anesthetize you before I kill you.  :)

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    • Holy shit!  LMFAO!

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    • You too, buckaroo.  o_o

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    • Fuck.

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    • But before I get to that, I have to make good on my promise to torment Glitchee for 10,000 years.  Y'know, because of the bylaws and stuff.

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    • I feel like this discussion about stalking and murdering Glitch is off-topic.



      But I'm here for it.

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    • Well I’m fucked

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    • Anyway, eternal torment aside, Mercury literally said to Emerald that Cinder doesn’t care about her, so yeah I think it’s safe to say she doesn’t.

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    • I hope we get to see the Spider Droids again, possibly scuttling across the underside of Atlas as their seek, acquire, and engage targets.

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    • Aren’t the droids just a prototype though?

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    • Yeah, but that was during the Black trailer, and the paladins went from deadly prototypes to having an advanced model in less time.

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    • Yeah, I could see a finished model too.

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    • Besdes, now is not the time to spare any weapon. Atlass needs to bring all available firepower to bare.

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    • Indeed.

      Hopefully we see some new Grimm that are actually a threat. Like Monstro up there in the sky.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      I’ve seen many people always respond to people like Advocate. People with outlandish beliefs that, despite evidence to the contrary, they are adamant about. People who constantly defend RWBY’s villains, people who think the show keeps contradicting its own lore, etc.

      Pretty outlandish of me to think that the one major villain who hasn't had any meaningful backstory revealed, particularly the backstory relevant to her notoriously tragic inspiration, might be more morally complex than the current backstory-deficient version appears to be to users with overzealous superficial attitudes about fictional characters.

      Anyway, eternal torment aside, Mercury literally said to Emerald that Cinder doesn’t care about her, so yeah I think it’s safe to say she doesn’t.

      Utterly meaningless. Mercury doesn't speak for canon, her speaks for himself and his perspective. Significantly, his remaks were to dismiss Emerald's talk of Cinder being "family" and then rant about his own horrible family experience. If anything, he was setting up a later plot development that will resolve whether his assessment is valid or merely a product of his own abuse-induced cynicism. He was providing the question, not the answer.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      Hopefully we see some new Grimm that are actually a threat. Like Monstro up there in the sky.

      I feel like Monstro won't really be an active threat. He's too big to fight small enemies, and what can RWBY actually do against something of that size? He'll probably be more of a passive, 'axe hanging over Atlas that could fall at any moment' kind of threat.

      The Beringels though, they better be a threat. Just a wounded one was a struggle for Ruby in Volume 4.

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    • Yeah, hopefully. Especially since Salem now has a whole army of them with wings. That should definitely cause some trouble for the heroes. Could even turn the tide in Salem’s favor.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Pretty outlandish . . . Utterly meaningless.

      Either one of these would make a better username for you.  Perhaps you should change it.

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    • Let’s not prod at other users and start a flame war, please....

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Could even turn the tide in Salem’s favor.

      You say this as if Salem's really up against the odds. I don't know why I find that so funny.

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    • Well, to be fair, this IS a show where the heroes win. A lot.

      So forgive me if I think Salem could be up against the odds.

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    • I don't expect Salem to win. At all.

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    • I hope she gets at least one big win.

      Edit: Plus, things are shaping to be in her favor, with an army of flying Beringels and Monstro and whatnot.

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    • Guedjroy wrote:

      Either one of these would make a better username for you.  Perhaps you should change it.

      Funny how you don't know how to argue without taking things personally even when I wasn't arguing with you at any point. Since you insist on responding to me, do you have an actual argument against anything I said or are you just going to throw a fit again?

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    • Man there is a lot of comments, not gonna read all of that. Soo, Can we trust that Ozpin/Oscar might be able to confront Salem face to face?. I mean, what happen whith all of the "more than a man" thing whith the aura. Its that still valid or it was just something before magic was introduced in Volume 3. Apologies by the way for my english, i am not use to this idiom.

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    • I take it you are not a native English speaker, or...?

      Anyway, I personally hope Ozcar goes up Monstro to confront MOMMY SALAMI himself, but it’s a Curbstomp Battle and he ends up losing, but not before managing to hold her off for a bit.

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    • Yep, not a native english speaker. Was it to bad?

      I do believe that Ozcar will be able to keeps his own against Salem for a little while. As long as Ozpin pulls out all of his cane-soul tricks of course. Or thats what i think, maybe i have a little to much faith in Ozpin.

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    • Nah, you’re fine.

      I can imagine Ozpin’s cane breaking during the fight, right before he loses.

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    • I will be shock if that happens, the Long Memory proved to be a extreme resistence weapon (it took Cinder’s swords and Hazel’s punches very well). Yet again, is Salem who we are talking about. So it could happen.

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    • Yes, indeed.

      On another note, who here thinks RWBY will eventually go up against Salem face-to-face, sometime after Ozcar gets defeated?

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    • I'm still going with my theory that they'll confront Salem and be forced to run. It's way too early for a final showdown already. I also doubt the Long Memory would break so soon, since Oscar just used it for magic. 

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    • That’s a decent theory.

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    • They are probably going to try face Salem, or at least Ruby will. Either of those cases, we alredy know they are gonna get body big time. In fact, while i don’t think these is gonna be the decisive fight, it will serve like a example of how powerful is Salem, and that the heroes are not even close to her level.

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    • The thing that terrifies me, though, is that we all thought the same thing about RWBY facing the Ace Ops.  We thought they'd be outmatched and that the loss would serve as a reminder that RWBY isn't unbeatable.

      And they won anyway.  I really hope the same shit doesn't happen with Salem.

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    • As do I.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Well, to be fair, this IS a show where the heroes win. A lot.

      So forgive me if I think Salem could be up against the odds.

      OH GOD I FORGOT THE POWER OF PLOT ARMOUR.

      Yeah... Salem's got a fight ahead of her.

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    • Guedjroy wrote:
      The thing that terrifies me, though, is that we all thought the same thing about RWBY facing the Ace Ops.  We thought they'd be outmatched and that the loss would serve as a reminder that RWBY isn't unbeatable.

      And they won anyway.  I really hope the same shit doesn't happen with Salem.

      It won't happen. The Ace-Ops' problem was one of character more than strength. They were dysfunctional, unharmonious. It's an interesting spin on 'The Power Of Friendship' trope; there was no specific power that RWBY had, they just worked together better to divide and conquer the Ace-Ops (e.g: Harriet lost because she didn't expect Weiss to help Ruby, and as a contrast, she had berated Marrow earlier in the fight).

      However, Salem practically invented divide-and-conquer strategies, and she genuinely is far more powerful than RWBY, not to mention immortal. If RWBY does fight her and even appear to stand a chance, I will be:

      a) Shocked.

      b) Appalled.

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    • The thing you're forgetting is Ruby's silver eyes.  I'm very worried they're just gonna have her hurt/repel Salem with them.  Yes, it'd be incredibly lame and predictable, but . . . yeah.  I could, sadly, see it happen.

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    • Ah. That would certainly throw a spanner in the works. But we've already seen that when Salem mind-fucks with Ruby, she loses control of her eyes, so maybe they would be ineffective against Salem on account of Summer-related trauma?

      Honestly, I would rather RWBY stays away from Salem in general. For example, they could be swallowed by Monstro (they do have Penny and Pietro aboard) and have to kill it from inside, while a ragtag team of supporting characters in Atlas have to deal with Salem.

      That's what I see happening anyway.

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    • I have faith that volume 8 will be the "win for the villans" kind of volume, like 3, but in a greater scale. And i don't really think that a situation like the Ace-Ops will repeat in the case of Salem.

      Unity, coordination, will, broken semblances, nothing of that is gonna work against Salem, who is someone that is not only broken and can ragdoll anyone, but someone that know how to play psychologically and emotionally with almost everyone. Just like Patroclus77 mentioned, it will only take a few words to break Ruby.

      What i am trying to say, is that i don't think Salem is going lose, not even for the silver eyes. And again, inmortality.

      Of course, i could be totally wrong and will have to eat my own words if something happens and mommy salami loses.

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    • You know what would be an interesting twist?

      If Salem is completely unaffected by Silver Eyes.

      I know, it doesn’t make a lot of sense and probably won’t happen, but hey it would be a nice twist that makes things more interesting.

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    • I've thought about that as well. Salem does have powers from both gods, so it stands to reason that her affinity with the Light God could make her immune to the Silver Eyes, even as her Grimm-esque appearance implies weakness to them. I guess it comes down to how you consider her: Cinder is a human with Grimm parts, but Salem is kind of... both?

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    • And she’d be immune because magic and such.

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    • The question becomes: Is the grimm corruption infused into Salem, or just infecting her (like a parasite)?  If it's the former, than it's possible the silver eyes won't work on her.  If it's the latter, they probably will.

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    • I had the idea that the silver eyes can purge it, but you need to use that as an opening to beat some sense into her before she takes another swim. Team effort.

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    • I think that's the only obvious answer.  Because otherwise, how would you possibly beat her?  If she's truly invincible, and the grimm corruption can't be purged, and she's unaffected by the silver eyes, and it's been demonstrated that even the singular most powerful being on the planet (other than Salem) can't beat her in a fight, then there simply is no other way.

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    • But what if she somehow 'learns the value of life and death'? Could that revoke her immortality?

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    • That's where the beating sense into her comes in. She's not going to be at all receptive until she gets that gook out of her system. And even then they'll need time to get through, during which she'll need to be suppressed. They all need to keep her from going back into a pool while trying to get sense into her.

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    • With all this Silver Eyes stuff, I'm thinking about why would Salem want Ruby alive while she had wanted Maria dead? Plus, Summer was apparently close enough to actually converse with her, so it makes me wonder what exactly she needs the Silver Eyed Warriors for.

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    • It's very possible Salem wants to try something new regarding SEWs. I dunno what, though.

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    • My money is on Ruby being captured because she's a simple soul.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      My money is on Ruby being captured because she's a simple soul.

      I agree. And I have a feeling Salem will succeed in breaking her to the point where it will take a long time before she recovers, but I do not think she will ever fully recover from it.

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    • More than the silver eyes, i believe is because Ruby is Ozpin's choosen one. As the first episode stated, Oz seems to have a lot of faith in Ruby, even saying that victory could be in "a simple soul" like hers.

      Salem knows that, so she probably just wants to keep her alive for the simple joy of breaking her and in the way, Ozpin's last hope.

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    • TheCrazyFreeman wrote:
      More than the silver eyes, i believe is because Ruby is Ozpin's choosen one. As the first episode stated, Oz seems to have a lot of faith in Ruby, even saying that victory could be in "a simple soul" like hers.

      Salem knows that, so she probably just wants to keep her alive for the simple joy of breaking her and in the way, Ozpin's last hope.

      I am afraid Salem will prove Oz wrong that a "simple soul" cannot bring victory. And in the future, worse, Ruby is not the same as she used to be, to Oscar's and Ozpin's sorrows.

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    • I think Salem wants to capture Ruby to turn her against Ozpin somehow or use her to break him.

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    • TheCrazyFreeman wrote:
      Man there is a lot of comments, not gonna read all of that. Soo, Can we trust that Ozpin/Oscar might be able to confront Salem face to face?. I mean, what happen whith all of the "more than a man" thing whith the aura. Its that still valid or it was just something before magic was introduced in Volume 3. Apologies by the way for my english, i am not use to this idiom.

      One thing I find attractive about the Oscar being Dorothy theory is that Salem is the Wicked Witch of the West and Dorothy kills the Wicked Witch by exposing her to her one weakness. Given that we already know Salem's weakness and it doesn't necessarily kill her by itself, I am interested in what happens if Oscar ends up captured and he somehow talks Salem into appreciating the value of mortality. He is in a rather unique position to both understand her position due to Jinn's vision together with Oz's intermingling with him and see it from an outside perspective as he and Oz are still distinct personalities. Would be very interesting if her curse was not broken at the very end, but earlier and she only realizes it towards the end.

      Know that isn't what you are talking about, but I imagine any fight he has with Salem will not be a long one. He was able to destroy her body when he had full power and only died because of her immortality. Yet Oz couldn't even win against Cinder who has less than a quarter of Oz's original magic power. Don't know if the merging Aura thing does anything to enhance his power, though I wouldn't be surprised if it does. However, it clearly doesn't put him on a level that he can seriously take on Salem. Fighting together with others he could probably do pretty well, but not on his own.

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    • I'm betting that Yang's PTSD and depression will be gone. Soldiers who suffer from PTSD recover after a few months. Also, hoping for Team JNR to have someone to fill in for Pyyrha. Maybe Penny???

      Anyway, I hope that they can build a replication of Ember Celica mark 2 for Yang's right arm. Maybe there's Ember Celica mark 3 that literally surrounds the entire hand and arm much like Iron Man's. Last but not least, I think that the group will come together to form RWBJNPRY (Ruby, Weiss, Blake, Jaune, Nora, Penny, Ren, Yang).

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    • Genos2020 wrote: I'm betting that Yang's PTSD and depression will be gone. Soldiers who suffer from PTSD recover after a few months. Also, hoping for Team JNR to have someone to fill in for Pyyrha. Maybe Penny???

      Considering that Adam is dead and that this is RWBY, I wouldn’t be surprised if Yang stopped having PTSD either.

      Also, I think it’s safe to say that Oscar becomes the new P in JNPR.

      (And before anyone says it, no, it wouldn’t be JRON because Oscar has a goddamn P in his last name.)

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      One thing I find attractive about the Oscar being Dorothy theory is that Salem is the Wicked Witch of the West and Dorothy kills the Wicked Witch by exposing her to her one weakness. Given that we already know Salem's weakness and it doesn't necessarily kill her by itself, I am interested in what happens if Oscar ends up captured and he somehow talks Salem into appreciating the value of mortality. He is in a rather unique position to both understand her position due to Jinn's vision together with Oz's intermingling with him and see it from an outside perspective as he and Oz are still distinct personalities. Would be very interesting if her curse was not broken at the very end, but earlier and she only realizes it towards the end.

      Know that isn't what you are talking about, but I imagine any fight he has with Salem will not be a long one. He was able to destroy her body when he had full power and only died because of her immortality. Yet Oz couldn't even win against Cinder who has less than a quarter of Oz's original magic power. Don't know if the merging Aura thing does anything to enhance his power, though I wouldn't be surprised if it does. However, it clearly doesn't put him on a level that he can seriously take on Salem. Fighting together with others he could probably do pretty well, but not on his own.

      That will be really interesting to see. Having Oscar being the one who understand the two chess masters, and actually putting some sense in both of them will be actually very good. He already snapped Oz out of his fears for the lies he told. Maybe Oscar is actually that simple soul who will fixed all.

      It will be a complicated battle, and we don't know how much tricks he has left (whatever are the cane or his aura). But i agree that, if his true power is the same that he showed us when he fight Cinder, then he is as much as screwed like the rest of the heroes.

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    • I need to get something straight: that little light-show from Oscar at the end of Volume 7. Was that his Aura or Ozpin's Magic? Because I thought it was Magic but everyone is talking about Oscar's Aura powers.

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    • Magic the most probably. But i have seen some theories that refers to that power being an advance technique of aura, and that the cane reverted Oscar's time to fully recover his aura.

      The aura powers is because in the episode of WoR Aura, Salem says that "with enough training and focus, a user's aura can turn them into something much more, than just a man" showing us Ozpin's silhouette.

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    • Oh, so it's just ambiguous. Thanks. I suppose it could be that Ozpin gave away almost all of his magic to the Maidens and Branwen twins, but then because he's the collective of many souls, he has a super powerful Aura. Or it could just be magic.

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    • A lot of things are ambiguous in RWBY, tbh.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      I need to get something straight: that little light-show from Oscar at the end of Volume 7. Was that his Aura or Ozpin's Magic? Because I thought it was Magic but everyone is talking about Oscar's Aura powers.

      If you mean the part where he is falling, I believe it has been assumed that was something about his cane. There was a statement that his weapon "stores time" yet what that means has not been made clear at all. Don't know if we'll get an explanation for that this coming Volume.

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    • I thought the cane was just a trigger for whatever Oscar then did when landing.

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    • Patroclus77 wrote:
      I thought the cane was just a trigger for whatever Oscar then did when landing.

      My own thought is that the cane stored whatever Oscar used. Would make sense if it somehow stored Aura as Oscar's Aura got broken. Magic is what the wiki page claims he used, though I don't know the exact grounds for saying that. He could have stored eithers, but "stores time" is what we were told and we don't know what that means.

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    • Actually, we all want Casey Lee Williams voices by Neo Politan in this Volume.

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    • .....wut

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    • Xandher wrote:
      Actually, we all want Casey Lee Williams voices by Neo Politan in this Volume.

      Wait, you want Casey Lee Williams, a real person, to be voiced by Neopolitan, a fictional mute character?

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    • LOL!

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    • Sounds good, let’s give it a shot.

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    • Xandher
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      I delete is.
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    • And I call Neo Politan.

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    • That was a joke.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      That was a joke.

      No, it isn't. And saw Neo's trivia.

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    • No, I was joking when I said this:

      Glitchee123z wrote: Sounds good, let’s give it a shot.

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    • Well, in 2027 or 2034, a complete name is Neo Politan.

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    • No idea what you’re talking about there bub.

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    • A name of animation of 2D I create is call, Warrior Friends, becomes in 2034.

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    • . . . . .


      HEY speaking of Neo, do you guys want to see her betraying Cinder sometime in Volume 8?

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    • In 2034, in Warrior Friends, a villan is a secret, Neo speak, Cinder's team stop begin villans, RWBY's charecters begin alive, a both charecters of Eddsworld and I apperence a cartoon version.

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    • In 2027, I will create MAI, in 2025, I made footage. In season 2 of MAI, is call That's What Warrior Friends Are For (as kwon Portuguese title, É Para Isso Que Os GuerreirosAmigos Servem).

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    • bro what the fuck are you blabbering on about

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    • Eh just ignore him, doesn’t look like it’s worth it.

      Now as I said, I wanna see Neo betray Cinder sometime in Volume 8.

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    • So nobodies going to talk about my theory that the Happy Huntresses and the Ace Operatives are probably all going to die in the next Volume? I think it would make a lot of sense to kill them off as it would really sell the idea that Salem is not someone to be fucked with.

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    • Oh yeeeeeaaaaaaah,

      Sounds decent. Plausible even. Although I would say Marrow survives.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Oh yeeeeeaaaaaaah,

      Sounds decent. Plausible even. Although I would say Marrow survives.

      And Fiona. Fiona's too adorable to be killed.

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    • Her too.

      I can also see Robyn making some kind of heroic sacrifice to save the others. Because then at least she’d finally do something helpful and we wouldn’t have to deal with her anymore.

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