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    Wow, now this was definitely worth the wait.  Jacques Schnee taken out in handcuffs, what a sight to behold.  I will treasure it, always. 

    But Watts and Tyrian are still on the loose, and after the Amity Project.  And with Mantle under siege the heroes are in no position to stop them.


    And it's actually Ironwood who's forced to tell the truth, wasn't expecting that.  Good on CRWBY for that plot twist, didn't see it coming.


    And, did I see it right, Pterodactyl Grimm?  Wow, that's definitely new, glad it wasn't another Wyvern. *sighs in relief*


    But oh man, Cinder and Neo are already in Atlas, this is so not good.  I fear they're gonna go for the Winter Maiden while everyone is trying to save Mantle and stop Watts.  Oh boy, the worst is definitely yet to come.

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    • I knew that female servant at the Schnee Manor is Neo in disguise. I'm surprised that Cinder and Neo are already arrive in Atlas. How is Cinder going to find Fria, unless Neo informs her location. I know it seems to be a very bad situation if Cinder successfully kill Fria and steal Winter Maiden's powers, but  Ruby might lose one of her eyes either from Cinder or Neo. I notice Whitley wasn't happy when his father got arrest from Atlas Miltary. I think despite his father abuse behavior towards him since Weiss left Atlas, but he still loves him. 

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    • When I saw that female servant I was like: that is a very familiar smile. 

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    • Ahhhhhh, she's back, I'm so happy :):):)

      Okay, so...

      -Concept art shows the new Grimm are Winged Velociraptor Grimm (technically Deinonychus but that's a pain to spell) and the Megoliaths. I assume the best page name for them is the Raptor Grimm until a proper name is given?

      -Good to see Ironwood didn't flip his shit at the Ozpin secret being told

      -Jacques is finally arrested, the Ironwood twist was great, as Alhazad said

      -Watts supposedly died on the Paladin project, which is interesting. Seems like his role also included military technology. 

      -Gotta love the fact that Cinder and Neo took the time to rent a luxury apartment. In all seriousness, they probably killed that girl and took her identity. 

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    • The truth comes out in multiple facets, no one goes insane from it as *some* people were erroneously claiming, there’s a big fight going on in Mantle...and Neo and Cinder are back in town.

      I am both nervous and excited to see what happens next.

      • Thinks back to Fria* This...might get weird.
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    • Seems Oscar went ahead and decided to tell Ironwood the truth of Salem's immortality despite Ruby wanting to be the one to spill it. However, I'm glad Ironwood decided to adress the immediate threat rather that give up entirely, "Carpe diem" at its best. Now I wonder if this will convince Oz to get out of the back room, he also needs to learn from this.

      As glorious that it was watching Weiss throw Jacques under the bus (thanks, Willow) and Winter to straight up shut him up, seeing Whitley sitting on the stairs watching the arrest was... kinda sad, now I feel even worse for him. Jacques, even is he was the shittiest person in the family, was the person he tried to please, both feared and loved, looked up to... but is yet another thing Weiss "took away" from him, and you can tell Willow feels bad for him since she's also responsible for it. I truly hope the future is kind to this boy.

      I think Nora holding Ren's hand said a lot about their situation: He knows Nora is there for him, yet he's afraid of people dying on his watch. You can tell he doesn't want another Fall of Beacon... or fall of Kuroyuri on him.

      Now that's what I call a good red herring: People assumed the waitress from last episode was suspicious since she came from a location with no guests. They had the right idea... just the wrong person: Neo was in the party, but wasn't that particular waitress.

      Velociraptor-pterodactyl Grimm? Neat! Mammoth-like Grimm the size of a 5~6 story building... not so neat for our heroes.

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    • I am rather happy about the resolutions. Even if it was a bit quick and too convienient but I don't like battles that are that asymmetrical in knowledge.

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    • OMG this episode was amazing. So much happened. I laughed out loud when Weiss said “can I do that” and at Jaune getting travel sickness. I’m so glad Neo is back. I think their going to go after Fria but Winter is going back to the academy along with Oscar so maybe they will be protecting her.

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    • AzureJay wrote:
      How is Cinder going to find Fria, unless Neo informs her location. I know it seems to be a very bad situation if Cinder successfully kill Fria and steal Winter Maiden's powers, but  Ruby might lose one of her eyes either from Cinder or Neo.

      I don't think Neo and Cinder care about the Winter Maiden (or the Relic of Creation) at all -- if they did, why would they go spying in the Schnee Manor of all places? Their only goal at this point is to find Ruby, and that's exactly what Neo did this episode.

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    • -Okay, so we get a gradual set of scenes showing the situation in Mantle deteriorating.

      -Robyn tries to opt for the lie detector test. If I’m being honest, I think Ironwood was seriously considering it.

      -But before that, Weiss bursts in and shows that damning footage. Oh, seeing Jacques squirm like that was priceless. Yes Weiss, you can absolutely arrest your father. We called it! We absolutely called it!

      -In the same instance, Ironwood with Oscars help informs Robyn and the council about Salem and presumably every other detail. A side note is that I’ll take Robyn’s words to him prior to be as close to an apology as we’ll get.

      -Saw the Servant. As soon as she smirked, everything clicked into place. Definitely Neo. Apparently her Semblance can also mimic a radar signature (Metal and wood or Atlesian versus Mistrali would show differently with wood being more on the stealth side. Or that material let them go in undetected.).

      -Heh. Cute Rosegarden moment is cute.

      -Ironwood took it much better than ANYBODY else, albeit with some help from Oscar. And I think this shows why he’s the general. He’s able to recompose himself and recognize that right now, Mantle is the priority.

      -So we don’t just have Mammoths (Don’t know the name for that one) and Sabers, we have pterosaurs as well. Really makes me hope if we go back to an ocean to get mosasaur Grimm. Or T-Rex Grimm. Why not? But I’m afraid that’s just the vanguard.

      -So we have pairs, singles or teams bail out separately. Did anyone keep a headcount about who jumped with who, or as individuals?

      -Well I was wondering where Cinder was. Seems the target is obviously Ruby, because Cinder has no sense of priority for Salem’s faction. Seriously, do you really think Salem won’t see right through the “Neo killed her, not me” loophole your pushing for?

      So hopefully on the next one, we get started with the Battle of Mantle/Atlas/Amity.

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    • Getting the feeling Atlas is only going to be 1 volume, as opposed to a multi-volume arc like we were predicting.  Cinder and Neo's surprise arrival has accelerated things.  The pacing seems awfully similar to V3 now.

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    • https://twitter.com/tehflood/status/1213501234742800386?s=21

      Raptor Grimm is public knowledge now. Shall I prepare a page for it?

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    • So... Fire Bitch and Ice Cream Midget are already in Atlas, I guess those montages of them training and huntsmen tasks were the span of a month. New prediction: Ruby and Cinder are gonna have another battle during the volume finale, and by the end, Ruby will find out Cinder’s augmented herself with a Grimm appendage. Cinder and Neo will escape and rendezvous with Watts and Tyrian.

      To me, I felt their reveal was somewhat similar to Roman’s back in Volume 3.

      • 1. They’re not in the Volume’s opening.
      • 2. They don’t appear until the “second half.”
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    • NVDelta wrote:
      https://twitter.com/tehflood/status/1213501234742800386?s=21Raptor Grimm is public knowledge now. Shall I prepare a page for it?

      Mentally prepares for all the "well umm, actually, it's not a raptor..." comments

      miles gave us a name on twitter?

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:
      Ruby and Cinder are gonna have another battle during the volume finale, and by the end, Ruby will find out Cinder’s augmented herself with a Grimm appendage. Cinder and Neo will escape and rendezvous with Watts and Tyrian.

      Please, for the love of god, no more close escapes from death for Cinder.  She's had enough plot armor over the course of this show, and the slippery, unkillable villain trope is the worst trope of all.  Please, no.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:

      Please, for the love of god, no more close escapes from death for Cinder.  She's had enough plot armor over the course of this show, and the slippery, unkillable villain trope is the worst trope of all.  Please, no.

      Maybe that's her semblance :D

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote: So... Fire Bitch and Ice Cream Midget are already in Atlas, I guess those montages of them training and huntsmen tasks were the span of a month. New prediction: Ruby and Cinder are gonna have another battle during the volume finale, and by the end, Ruby will find out Cinder’s augmented herself with a Grimm appendage. Cinder and Neo will escape and rendezvous with Watts and Tyrian.

      To me, I felt their reveal was somewhat similar to Roman’s back in Volume 3.

      • 1. They’re not in the Volume’s opening.
      • 2. They don’t appear until the “second half.”

      I reckon that Cinder and Neo are going to fight Ruby but in the end Neo will join Ruby and they will finally get the upper hand or something. I like to think Cinder about to kill Ruby when a blade from an umbrella goes through Cinders eye. Just a hope doubt it will happen. That’s when I think they could reveal that Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into. Just a theory but I think it’s likely.

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    • Rosegarden teasers!

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    • Do u reckon they will go off and fight in their teams or will they have separate teams specific to their jobs

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    • NeoIceQueen wrote:

      That’s when I think they could reveal that Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into. Just a theory but I think it’s likely.

      More like very unlikely.  If that were true, what would stop the whole world from taking a bath in the pool and becoming immortal?  That would throw a pretty big wrench in the GoL's 'delicate balance of life and death' ideology, don'tcha think?

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    • When they mentioned the Paladin incident Watts supposedly died on, that made me think, and I know this is old af but: I wonder if Watts helped securing those prototypes for Roman back in Volume 2? It'd be a piece of cake for him imo.

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    • Wonder if we will see them ever consider bringing the gods back prematurely to help with Salem.

      The potential loss will be the biggest though.

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    • More ReNora and Rosegarden moments.

      Jacques has been trapped sooner than I expected so I still suspect he will have a power of nuisance even in prison. Watts has also lost his biggest asset that was people thinking he's dead.

      Completely unsurprised that Cinder and Neo are already in Atlas.

      Ironwood seems to have taken the news about Salem better than expected but I am still wary about his future decisions and actions .

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    • Kaitryona Acheron wrote:

      NeoIceQueen wrote:

      That’s when I think they could reveal that Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into. Just a theory but I think it’s likely.

      More like very unlikely.  If that were true, what would stop the whole world from taking a bath in the pool and becoming immortal?  That would throw a pretty big wrench in the GoL's 'delicate balance of life and death' ideology, don'tcha think?

      Yeah Ik it’s not very unlikely. But it would explain how she survived that. For the record I don’t think it’s true I just think it’s a possibility. I want Cinder to die. She killed Pyrrha I would kill her myself if I could

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    • EmBELLEm wrote:

      Mentally prepares for all the "well umm, actually, it's not a raptor..." comments

      miles gave us a name on twitter?

      Seems like it! 

      My reasoning for raptor was just the big claw which is almost exclusive to Dromaeosaurs.

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    • NeoIceQueen wrote:

      Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into.

      Stop.  No.  Just no.  As I've said before, that would be the dumbest thing Miles and Kerry could possibly do, and would flat-out kill the show and lead to its cancellation, for 3 reasons:

      1 - It's a gigantic plothole.  The god of light would never allow people to attain immortality at will.  His ethos forbids it.

      2 - A basin cannot become a cave.  It's geologically impossible.

      3 - Viewership would plummet if Cinder were made immortal.  There would be budget cuts, RT's parent company would probably step in and demand M&K be fired, and the show would probably be cancelled and sold off to another animation studio.

      So no.  Stop posting this theory.  It's insane.

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    • NeoIceQueen wrote:

      I reckon that Cinder and Neo are going to fight Ruby but in the end Neo will join Ruby and they will finally get the upper hand or something. I like to think Cinder about to kill Ruby when a blade from an umbrella goes through Cinders eye. Just a hope doubt it will happen. That’s when I think they could reveal that Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into. Just a theory but I think it’s likely.

      That would be such a cop out.

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    • NeoIceQueen wrote:

      Kaitryona Acheron wrote:

      NeoIceQueen wrote:

      That’s when I think they could reveal that Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into. Just a theory but I think it’s likely.

      More like very unlikely.  If that were true, what would stop the whole world from taking a bath in the pool and becoming immortal?  That would throw a pretty big wrench in the GoL's 'delicate balance of life and death' ideology, don'tcha think?

      Yeah Ik it’s not very unlikely. But it would explain how she survived that. For the record I don’t think it’s true I just think it’s a possibility. I want Cinder to die. She killed Pyrrha I would kill her myself if I could

      I doubt she will cheat death a third time.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:

      NeoIceQueen wrote:

      Cinder is also immortal from the pool of light as I believe it’s the pool bellow haven that Cinder fell into.

      Stop.  No.  Just no.  As I've said before, that would be the dumbest thing Miles and Kerry could possibly do, and would flat-out kill the show and lead to its cancellation, for 3 reasons:

      1 - It's a gigantic plothole.  The god of light would never allow people to attain immortality at will.  His ethos forbids it.

      2 - A basin cannot become a cave.  It's geologically impossible.

      3 - Viewership would plummet if Cinder were made immortal.  There would be budget cuts, RT's parent company would probably step in and demand M&K be fired, and the show would probably be cancelled and sold off to another animation studio.

      So no.  Stop posting this theory.  It's insane.

      Again I don’t think it’s true. I saw someone mention it and I thought it was an interesting idea. Don’t believe or want it though.

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    • Yeah, I have to say, I'm a really loyal RWBY fan.  There have been moments where the show has really irked me, but I've never even considered quitting it.  But if Cinder were immortal, that'd be it for me.  Even I would stop watching if they did that.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote: Episode 8 thread

      Wow, now this was definitely worth the wait.  Jacques Schnee taken out in handcuffs, what a sight to behold.  I will treasure it, always. 

      But Watts and Tyrian are still on the loose, and after the Amity Project.  And with Mantle under siege the heroes are in no position to stop them.


      And it's actually Ironwood who's forced to tell the truth, wasn't expecting that.  Good on CRWBY for that plot twist, didn't see it coming.


      And, did I see it right, Pterodactyl Grimm?  Wow, that's definitely new, glad it wasn't another Wyvern. *sighs in relief*


      But oh man, Cinder and Neo are already in Atlas, this is so not good.  I fear they're gonna go for the Winter Maiden while everyone is trying to save Mantle and stop Watts.  Oh boy, the worst is definitely yet to come.

      Yes, indeed. Finally the man gets what he deserves. And while it wasn’t death, it was still nice to see.

      Watts and Tyrian make a surprisingly good team. Geewwwwwd.

      Yeah, that was a nice twist. I also liked how Ironwood, even after knowing Salem was immortal he still wanted to see Mantle safe. But then again who wouldn’t lol

      Uhm, i’m pretty sure that was a Dragon Grimm. I could see four legs. Also it kinda looked like a dragon in general.

      I literally squealed when I saw Neo and Cinder. Was definitely NOT expecting that until next Volume.

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    • Eh, it doesn't fully scream dragon to me. More along the lines of Winged Beringel. Though, dragon is just obscure and vague, so I guess it fits, lmao

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    • Huh...it always looked like a dragon whenever I saw it.

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    • Kaitryona Acheron wrote: Yeah, I have to say, I'm a really loyal RWBY fan.  There have been moments where the show has really irked me, but I've never even considered quitting it.  But if Cinder were immortal, that'd be it for me.  Even I would stop watching if they did that.

      Cinder: I forgot to mention, I’m Jesus.

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    • I think it was just how the shots were composed, didn't realize it was a dinosaur...thing until the concept art showed it. 

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    • Yeah, definitely the shots.

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    • https://twitter.com/LarissaAngus/status/1213519904520986624?s=20

      Megoliaths are in fact the mammoth Grimm. 

      Also, totally trivia worthy that we add the fact the new bois are called Terry and Lil' Terry, and le Megoliath is Manny, respectively. 

      Edit: Larissa Angus seems to have been the concept artist to design them, we're getting full concepts next week

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    • I wonder what’s Whitley going to do now his father is arrested. I think he whether stay in his home in despair, somehow gets kidnapped by Neo and Cinder, or for once, try to save Mantle and help his sisters. That’s one of the possibilities for the next episode or finale.

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    • ...wait, can Neo talk?  Ew.

      Ren and Nora and Yang and Blake get the same sting; but they're just good friends, both of them.  Having seen people put forth that Yang and Blake were platonic after Yang's flirting in C3, there are literally no lengths I will believe.  (Genuinely, though, I can believe Blake is more ambivalent than Yang.)

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      The truth comes out in multiple facets, no one goes insane from it as *some* people were erroneously claiming, there’s a big fight going on in Mantle...and Neo and Cinder are back in town.

      I am both nervous and excited to see what happens next.

      • Thinks back to Fria* This...might get weird.

      I think he is indeed internally screaming, just trying to prioritize the current situation instead of the possibly eternal long run.

      Everyone was afraid of how Ironwood would react, no one in the group wanted to be "the one to break him". If their own reaction, Lionheart's betrayal (who wasn't the first one to do so, as Ozpin said), one of Ozpin's eyes pleading to drop the fight and a General who kept making decisions badly received by his own kingdom was all they had to go for ... I can't really blame them to be that afraid.

      Now comes what Ren implied back in A Night Off: What are they going to do now that they worked past Ironwood's reaction?

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    • neo and cinder's sneaky motives, will they go for the winter maiden or... Oscar and the relic of Knowledge??? @.@ i hate being in the dark

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    • I thought the Pterodactyl Grimm were dragons.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote: I thought the Pterodactyl Grimm were dragons.

      not really, to be exact. who says they can't do grimm dinosaurs

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    • They need to ask Jinn the proper question, "How can Salem be defeated?" Oz only ever asked "How can I?"

      Also the new Grimm are called Teryx, seem to be based on Pterrodactyls, and I'm wondering about the glowing veins in their wings.

      We know it is cold enough to kill in Solitas without active heat, and while the Grimm we've seen have adapted to the cold largely, a flying creature moving as fast as they too would be exposed to even colder temperatures do to momentum and wind speed. The wing membrane would be the weakest local on the body, so...they would need an adaption that could keep them from freezeing.

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    • What? you mean a dragon Grimm?

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    • TheSDCSecretary wrote: What? you mean a dragon Grimm?

      they did have a Wyvern Grimm in volume 3

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    • Kunoichi101 wrote:

      Mouseyboy221 wrote: I thought the Pterodactyl Grimm were dragons.

      not really, to be exact. who says they can't do grimm dinosaurs

      The lore of RWBY until volume 6

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    • You have no way of backing that statement up.

      There is nothing saying what form a Grimm can or can not take, real animals, fictional creatures, hell the Sabyrs and Megoliaths are prehistoric beings so why would Dinosaurs not be viable?

      The Apathy were inspired by a creepy scarecrow Miles spotted and an old story he read.

      I feel like they can take a number of forms.

      True Dragons might be a no mainly because the Gods took those forms, but we have no confirmation on that point.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:

      I thought the Pterodactyl Grimm were dragons.

      So did I.

      Also they’re raptors with ptero wings

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    • NVDelta wrote: https://twitter.com/LarissaAngus/status/1213519904520986624?s=20

      Megoliaths are in fact the mammoth Grimm. 

      Also, totally trivia worthy that we add the fact the new bois are called Terry and Lil' Terry, and le Megoliath is Manny, respectively. 

      Edit: Larissa Angus seems to have been the concept artist to design them, we're getting full concepts next week

      Awesome.

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    • Before volume 6 Remnant was a world of creationism. Heck even when it was then established the second race of humanity evolved into existence we still saw modern day animals. Sabyrs and Megoliaths shouldn't exist either, though the latter has more to it than just being based on animal that originally never existed in Remnant. The only water the idea of a dinosaur Grimm had before volume 6 was that since Remnant had Grimm equivalents of things that didn't exist as animals in the world like Wyverns and Griffons you could argue maybe even dinosaur Grimm could exist despite their animal equivalents never coming into existence.

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    • well can't wait for the next future grimm type even though we won't get to see an actual grimm dragon

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    • Maybe we could get a giant sea scorpion Grimm.

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    • or an armadillo grimm somewhere in Vacuo?

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    • Well things are about to go down but can our heroes save Mantle in four episodes but anyway, nice to see Jacques' ass to be busted which to be honest, we all knew that he would get what was coming to him. Huh so Cinder and Neo are already in Atlas, man I wasn't even expecting them to be in this volume but yeah if Cinder and Ruby are to fight now, let's hope this finally brings a end to Cinder since she has avoided Death twice and a third is just overkill and if I knew anything about Death as in like the Grim Reaper, it's that he doesn't like to be cheated.

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    • Kunoichi101 wrote:
      or an armadillo grimm somewhere in Vacuo?

      Why Vacuo exclusive?

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    • TheSDCSecretary wrote:

      Kunoichi101 wrote:
      or an armadillo grimm somewhere in Vacuo?

      Why Vacuo exclusive?

      uh... because it's a desert place, ^.^' hehe.

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    • Madladmad wrote:
      AzureJay wrote:
      How is Cinder going to find Fria, unless Neo informs her location. I know it seems to be a very bad situation if Cinder successfully kill Fria and steal Winter Maiden's powers, but  Ruby might lose one of her eyes either from Cinder or Neo.
      I don't think Neo and Cinder care about the Winter Maiden (or the Relic of Creation) at all -- if they did, why would they go spying in the Schnee Manor of all places? Their only goal at this point is to find Ruby, and that's exactly what Neo did this episode.

      I totally forgot about Fria

      Shit, it'd be way better for the heroes if they went after Ruby. If they go after Fria and kill her, either Cinder gets her powers or Winter suddenly realizes she has a lot more power than before, and is terrified because of it.

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    • TheSDCSecretary wrote:
      Before volume 6 Remnant was a world of creationism. Heck even when it was then established the second race of humanity evolved into existence we still saw modern day animals. Sabyrs and Megoliaths shouldn't exist either, though the latter has more to it than just being based on animal that originally never existed in Remnant. The only water the idea of a dinosaur Grimm had before volume 6 was that since Remnant had Grimm equivalents of things that didn't exist as animals in the world like Wyverns and Griffons you could argue maybe even dinosaur Grimm could exist despite their animal equivalents never coming into existence.

      By that virtue the Gods could have created any beasts they wished to populate their world. Mole Crabs as they are on Remnant don't exist on Earth nor do Flatback Sliders, 100 foot long blind turtles who swim through Sand. Also the Teryx isn't even an accurate Dinosaur by Earth metric, it's a raptor with pterrodactyl wings.

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    • That's a detail I did appreciate is that they didn't make it just a grimmified pterosaur.

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    • AntisocialMedia wrote:
      ...wait, can Neo talk?  Ew.

      Just to make clear: While Neo indeed infiltrated the party, she wasn't the waitress from the previous episode. Neo has shown changing her hair to black while in disguise most of the time (twice during the Vytal Festival), while the waitress had different hair color and hair cut.

      So no, Neo doesn't talk in the show, at all (save from maybe grunts and that one gasp from Volume 3).

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    • I don't think it'd make sense for Teryx to be exclusive to an icy tundra like Solitas since Pterosaurs were reptiles meaning they were likely cold blooded.

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    • NVDelta wrote:

      -Gotta love the fact that Cinder and Neo took the time to rent a luxury apartment. In all seriousness, they probably killed that girl and took her identity. 

      Wouldn't surprise me, since it fits both their MOs: Cinder killed that passerby for her clothes, Neo probably killed a Mistral police officer for their airship, and now both are hiding out in the lap of luxury, how devious of them.

      Madladmad wrote:I don't think Neo and Cinder care about the Winter Maiden (or the Relic of Creation) at all -- if they did, why would they go spying in the Schnee Manor of all places? Their only goal at this point is to find Ruby, and that's exactly what Neo did this episode.

      Ooh, good point.  So Cinder will be headed for Mantle instead, doubtlessly seeking to end Ruby and hide her death amongst the chaos raging in the city. 

      But wait, Cinder also needs the Relic of Knowledge, and Oscar has it on his person.  So he may be targeted first, then Ruby.  Not good.  I doubt Oscar will die, but his life will definitely be in danger.

      Mouseyboy221 wrote:

      Cinder: I forgot to mention, I’m Jesus.

      It could be worse, she could actually be Rey Skywalker.

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    • I’m curious if that big fire in Mantle foreshadows Jaune or Cinder’s death in Volume 7 since Jaune is gender bend alluded of Joan Arc since she died burning from a stake. As for Cinder, it would be gruesome or ironic somehow. I mean if Jaune somehow if the Grimm snatch him and toss him into the fire after his Aura depleted in the battle. It would be a major let down if another member of Team JNPR gets killed off.

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    • TheSDCSecretary wrote:
      I don't think it'd make sense for Teryx to be exclusive to an icy tundra like Solitas since Pterosaurs were reptiles meaning they were likely cold blooded.

      You do know that most Dinosaurs and Pterrosaurs/dactyls are believed to have been endothermic right? Meaning warmblooded?

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    • No member of JNPR besides Pyrrha is ever going to die.

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    • Some raptors lived in Antarctica and the North Pole of the planet where there was you know... Snow

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    • Fun episode. Kinda disappointed that we didn't get into the action just yet, but it was nice to finally get all the secrets out. Also nice to see Jacques actually got appropriately punished and removed.

      Anyway, rewatching with subtitles to go over my impressions of the episode. ... The episode has no subtitles. Well, alright then.

      So, Ironwood was general first, headmaster second. I wonder if the alleged indoctrination of military lifestyle in Atlas Academy was going on before Ironwood took over.

      Love how Watts immediately fucks over Jacques, letting the blame fall on him for Mantle's heating getting shut off. I figured there would come a point where Watts no longer needs Jacques and betrays or disposes of him in some way, but I didn't think it would come so quickly.

      It's so funny and interesting to see Jacques actually shaken. We've usually seen him either try to remain collected and in control or lose his temper. Suddenly, he's in a bad position with no way to take control, and it leaves him flustered. You can see him moving and being nervous in the background while Robyn talks to Ironwood.

      "Arthur Watts died in the Paladin incident years ago." Paladin incident... I hope we find out what exactly that incident was. (Edit: Baseless theory, the Arma Gigas that Weiss fought and summons was originally a Paladin, and Watts took part in the experiment fusing Geists with Paladins, which led to the creation of the particular Arma Gigas that Weiss fought in the White Trailer. Thus, Jacques personally knew and had a connection with Watts because he "appreciated" Watts' work more than Ironwood did.)

      The sweat on Jacques' brow, dude. Love that detail.

      Weiss asking Ironwood if she can arrest people made me laugh the first time, and it made me laugh again on second watch.

      .... When Watts is catching snowflakes, did someone in the background... scream "I hate you"?? This is like that bit in Equestria Girls: Rainbow Rocks, when a background character shouts "You are the worst thing to happen!" while the students are arguing.

      Shop name Dust in the Wind, love it. Looting a Dust store for Fire Dust when the heating grid shuts off, good idea. Throwing said Dust into a bonfire instead of using it, not a great idea, but I guess a lot of these citizens don't have their Aura unlocked and wouldn't know how to channel the Dust's energy safely anyway.

      Willow Schnee is the real MVP here, let's be honest. This wouldn't have been possible without her cameras.

      When that pterosaur winged raptor Grimm screeched and flew overhead, I actually jumped a little and thought "What the hell was that?!"

      I both can and can't believe that the theory that the waitress is Neo was right. That is amazing. They didn't make it obvious. They just didn't want to hide her too much, and people caught on.

      Ruby and Oscar being awkward, so cute. The shipping is real.

      The hints that Oscar and Ozpin are fusing continue to intensify.

      I completely forgot that Jaune gets airsick, and I'm glad the writers didn't forget. Poor Jaune, having to hold back vomit when the pterosaur dino Grimm attacked.

      I feel like Clover relies on his Semblance too much, and that doesn't bode well.

      Poor Whitley... So, since Jacques is under arrest and likely going to prison, Whitley is probably going to take over the company. I can't help but wonder what he's going to do and how he's going to handle it. I hope this isn't the final straw for him.

      On the more humorous side of things, Jacques is such a Karen.

      Neo skipping away is so cute. The view from her and Cinder's hotel(?) room is AMAZING! I would love to stay there!

      The new effect for Neo's Semblance looks great, though I can't help but feel they've kind of lost its characteristic glass-like effect. Now, it looks almost more digital and glitch-like.

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      Neo skipping away is so cute. The view from her and Cinder's hotel(?) room is AMAZING! I would love to stay there!

      As a city person, you have no idea how jealous I am of that suite/apartment. 

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      When that pterosaur winged raptor Grimm screeched and flew overhead, I actually jumped a little and thought "What the hell was that?!"

      Funny...I actually said that out loud.

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    • TheSDCSecretary wrote:
      Before volume 6 Remnant was a world of creationism. Heck even when it was then established the second race of humanity evolved into existence we still saw modern day animals. Sabyrs and Megoliaths shouldn't exist either, though the latter has more to it than just being based on animal that originally never existed in Remnant. The only water the idea of a dinosaur Grimm had before volume 6 was that since Remnant had Grimm equivalents of things that didn't exist as animals in the world like Wyverns and Griffons you could argue maybe even dinosaur Grimm could exist despite their animal equivalents never coming into existence.

      World of Remnant: Grimm said "Many ancient cultures believed the creatures of Grimm to be animals possessed by evil spirits, or perhaps the spirits of tortured animals themselves. However, further study -- as well as the discovery of newer, more horrific forms of Grimm -- does not support this hypothesis." Which implies that, while there are Grimm that look like actual animals, even ones that exist on Remnant, there are also Grimm that don't look like existing creatures, which is why those ancient cultures' hypothesis fell apart. This was back in Volume 2.

      Then, there's also the Creep, which, as you have pointed out before, Monty stated is not based on any particular animal. This is also from Volume 2. Why is the Creep allowed to exist despite not being based on anything that actually exists on Remnant, but Sabyrs, Megoliaths, and Teryxes are not?

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    • I liked this episode a lot but a few things irk me.

      1) Neo's big fuck off green eyes were a dead giveaway. I wish they were a bit more subtle so the twist would be more shocking but whatever, it was still pretty good.

      2) I still have no idea why Ruby hid Jinn's infodump from Ironwood for so long. There was literally no sign beforehand not to trust him and nothing that happened this episode seemed like a big enough turning point for her to suddenly be like "yeah okay, I'll tell him now."

      3) Ironwood's reaction seems a bit underwhelming. I won't be too annoyed by this for now, because maybe he's Internalising it for now since Mantle is the priority for the moment, but still.

      Otherwise, great episode and I'm keen to see where the climax goes.

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    • What a good episode.

      Finally some clarification on how Ironwood has two council seats. One as General and one as headmaster. Weiss outing Jacques on the spot like that was glories. Then asking if she can arrest him while pulling out her license was funny.

      When I saw that expression on that green eyes waitress's face I was thinking 'Is that Neo?' didn't have to wait long to find out that yes it was.

      Must have really been cathartic for Weiss and Winter to have power over their father like that. I feel bad for Whitley, the one figure that he had to look up to is now gone. The abusive effects of that relationship are clear. I do wonder if he will now take control of the company or if a board of directors will deem him to young and maybe give control to Willow instead.

      Good on Ironwood to decided to tell the other council members about Salem. Now there can maybe a greater effort put towards stopping her. He handled the revelation of Salem's immortality a lot better then most people predicted. Able to put the immediate danger first instead of falling into despair.

      I'm hesitant to call it ship tease but that moment between Ruby and Oscar was adorkable.

      So I'm guessing the other council members will deem Jacques position forfeit and give it officially to Robyn.

      I wonder what Cinder and Neo's target is. Three possibilities.

      1. They are still focused on Ruby, Neo was at the party and seemed to eye her up.

      2. Fria. Cinder's desire for power and her believe that the Maiden powers are hers by right is likely as strong as ever.

      3. Oscar as he has the relic.

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    • Solaris XD wrote: I liked this episode a lot but a few things irk me.

      1) Neo's big fuck off green eyes were a dead giveaway. I wish they were a bit more subtle so the twist would be more shocking but whatever, it was still pretty good.

      2) I still have no idea why Ruby hid Jinn's infodump from Ironwood for so long. There was literally no sign beforehand not to trust him and nothing that happened this episode seemed like a big enough turning point for her to suddenly be like "yeah okay, I'll tell him now."

      3) Ironwood's reaction seems a bit underwhelming. I won't be too annoyed by this for now, because maybe he's Internalising it for now since Mantle is the priority for the moment, but still.

      Otherwise, great episode and I'm keen to see where the climax goes.

      1.) Yeah, when we cut to that “servant”, her smirk was a dead giveaway. Sorry CRWBY, but any attempt at subtlety failed miserably.

      2.)Honestly, I’d brief him on that almost straight out of the gate.

      3.) He’s a General. He recognizes that there are more pressing concerns than reverting to the same angst the others fell prey to. Same attitude Ruby showed when she cut Yang off back on the Argus train saying “Hey! Civvies in danger! Feel down later!”. He also had Oscar to help him out.

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    • MobiusEternal1 wrote: 1) Neo's big fuck off green eyes were a dead giveaway. I wish they were a bit more subtle so the twist would be more shocking but whatever, it was still pretty good.

      I get the feeling that they weren't trying to hide it. Because soon after they revealed it within the same episode. Just more of a five second foreshadowing so it didn't just come out of no where when she did reveal herself.

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:

      1. They are still focused on Ruby, Neo was at the party and seemed to eye her up.

      2. Fria. Cinder's desire for power and her believe that the Maiden powers are hers by right is likely as strong as ever.

      3. Oscar as he has the relic.

      What if....their goal is all three?

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    • MobiusEternal1 wrote:

      -So we have pairs, singles or teams bail out separately. Did anyone keep a headcount about who jumped with who, or as individuals?

      Just based on the order and spacing that they jumped out, it looks like:

      - Jaune (solo) (probably with Vine)

      - Ren, Weiss, Nora, Marrow, Blake, Yang

      - Elm (solo)

      - Harriet, Ruby

      - Clover (solo)

      - Qrow (solo) (or possibly with Clover)

      Vine is present but he is never seen jumping off. Safest assumption is that he went with Jaune.

      This is probably not accurate to what the actual teams will be but it is the "groups" they went with.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote: What if....their goal is all three?

      I wouldn’t put it past me.

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    • I spy Cinder's claw hand. Although I still cannot take her new outfit seriously. I assume she'll lose that little cape of hers at some point. I have to wonder if her Grimm powers will become anything more than just Go Go Cinder Claw. Neo being the waitress was given away by the smirk but it's not as obvious as it could have been, at least they had her infiltrate. Not sure how I feel about Cinder and Neo showing up without prior announcement, though I guess it helps make their later actions be more stealthy and less obvious.

      So this series will probably end in Atlas. Fair enough, I admit I was hoping for a longer stay but fair enough. At least the plot is moving alone.

      Bit disappointed by the lack of combat BUT the plot moves along and we get things out of the way - we did need a lot of this stuff covered. And it's building up for combat next episode as well. I like how Clover just assumes his Semblance will take care of the dragon for him. 

      Jacques got arrested, I wonder what will happen to him. Whitley is upset but Willow is relieved. Given Jacques was partaking in a huage public conspiracy, Willow has done quite a lot to advance the heroes' cause for such a broken, reclusive drunk. Also lol at Watts just betraying Jacques immediately, he doesn't give a damn. I wonder if he will team up in a fight with Tyrian. 

      Good episode over all, now we wait!

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    • This was not a good episode, it was so painful that I always have to skip through it whenever I want to see the Grimm scenes.

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    • Solaris XD wrote:
      I liked this episode a lot but a few things irk me.

      1) Neo's big fuck off green eyes were a dead giveaway. I wish they were a bit more subtle so the twist would be more shocking but whatever, it was still pretty good.

      2) I still have no idea why Ruby hid Jinn's infodump from Ironwood for so long. There was literally no sign beforehand not to trust him and nothing that happened this episode seemed like a big enough turning point for her to suddenly be like "yeah okay, I'll tell him now."

      3) Ironwood's reaction seems a bit underwhelming. I won't be too annoyed by this for now, because maybe he's Internalising it for now since Mantle is the priority for the moment, but still.

      Otherwise, great episode and I'm keen to see where the climax goes.

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      1. The subtle moment was when we saw Neo last episode. That scene you're talking about was actually the hinting reveal of "Remember that server you saw last episode when Winter stormed out of the room? Yeah, that's not actually one of Jacques' servers."

      They put her almost in the center of the screen and called attention to her by having her just happen to be walking in with more drinks at the right moment for Winter to nearly bump into her on the way out of the room. That was Neo's subtle presence scene. The scene of her looking at the camera and smirking in this episode was part of the reveal.

      2. Like Blake told Yang, Ironwood has a tendency to overreact, so they weren't sure if Ironwood would once again overreact or not. There's also the fact that RWBY, Qrow, and JNR all had to deal with their emotions when they found out, and most of them nearly gave up on everything. Ironwood had just told them all about the hard work he had put into a plan to stop Salem, and Ruby wasn't sure yet if she should hit him with the reveal that he can't stop Salem with brute force.

      3. It's easier to pull yourself out of despair from being hit with bad news when there's a dire situation that you absolutely have to deal with right now. For now, he needs to put aside whatever he feels about Salem being immortal and just focus on saving Mantle and taking back control of Atlas. Everything else can come later. Just like Ironwood himself said.

      Honestly, in any tough, discouraging situation, it really is best to just focus on what's right in front of you for the moment and take things one step forward at a time.

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    • Madladmad wrote:

      MobiusEternal1 wrote:

      -So we have pairs, singles or teams bail out separately. Did anyone keep a headcount about who jumped with who, or as individuals?

      Just based on the order and spacing that they jumped out, it looks like:

      - Jaune (solo) (probably with Vine)

      - Ren, Weiss, Nora, Marrow, Blake, Yang

      - Elm (solo)

      - Harriet, Ruby

      - Clover (solo)

      - Qrow (solo) (or possibly with Clover)

      Vine is present but he is never seen jumping off. Safest assumption is that he went with Jaune.

      This is probably not accurate to what the actual teams will be but it is the "groups" they went with.

      I saw it as there was one Aceop to a group. So I saw it as

      -Vine, Jaune, Ren, Weiss and Nora

      -Marrow, Blake, Yang and maybe Elm

      -Ruby and Harriet

      -Clover and Qrow

      Then again they could just be in normal teams I guess we can’t guess. The order could have been who got to the queue first.

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:

      MobiusEternal1 wrote: 1) Neo's big fuck off green eyes were a dead giveaway. I wish they were a bit more subtle so the twist would be more shocking but whatever, it was still pretty good. I get the feeling that they weren't trying to hide it. Because soon after they revealed it within the same episode. Just more of a five second foreshadowing so it didn't just come out of no where when she did reveal herself.

      Yes they were giving us real hints of her being Neo from the start.

      I fear the chances of one of the councilmen going through the Lionheart route if they hear about Salem being immortal. Besides it's not sure that Ironwood's decisions won't have disastrous consequences once the situation at Mantle return to normal.

      I have the the feeling that the heroes will realize that Ozpin's reasons for hiding Salem's existence except to a few and her immortality from anyone weren't unjustified, and not just because some like Raven or Lionheart took the cowardly route after coming to believe that Salem couldn't be stopped but also because others can change for the worst and take radical decisions even if they remain brave and determined to fight her.

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    • The councilmen honestly don't seem too bad from what we've seen, though the same could've been said for Leo before we met him...

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    • Yes and Cornelius Fudge in Harry Potter looked like a nice and reasonnable man and minister until he learnt about Voldemort's return and turned into a cowardly and paranoid person who antagonized and tried to discredit Harry and Dumbledore for a year because he was too cowardly and attached to power to handle Voldermort's return and blinded himself about it.

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    • Yeah, he was a prick.

      Now let’s stop talking about him and get back on topic.

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    • I chuckled during the scene when Jacques is getting taken into custody, he’s telling the two Atlesian Military personnel to stop touching him, and he’ll report the way he’s being treated. Even when being arrested he’s still pompous and egotistical.

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    • Yeah I noticed that too.

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    • Some may be hoping that Whitley will change and reconcile with his sisters with Jacques imprisonned but I am not very optimistic about the chances of that happening soon.

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    • I have a hunch Jacques is gonna get a visitor.

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    • He's surely going to have one, I doubt that Watts' use of him is over.

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      "You are merely an entrepreneur. I must be a king."

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    • MaxusFox23 wrote:
      AntisocialMedia wrote:
      ...wait, can Neo talk?  Ew.
      Just to make clear: While Neo indeed infiltrated the party, she wasn't the waitress from the previous episode. Neo has shown changing her hair to black while in disguise most of the time (twice during the Vytal Festival), while the waitress had different hair color and hair cut.

      So no, Neo doesn't talk in the show, at all (save from maybe grunts and that one gasp from Volume 3).

      Plus you have the giggles

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    • Mah boy Nicholas!

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    • I expect Ruby and Oscar's choice to tell Ironwood to still have some negative consequences and the protagonists to experience things in Atlas that will make them Wonder if Ironwood's plan is really viable and if it's a really good idea to reveal Salem's existence to the public.

      I have the feeling that the heroes who has been very critical of Ozpin and his choices fail to understand why Oz chose to hid Salem's existence from the rest of the world and his and her past from even his followers, and that Atlas arc will be a painful experience that will finally make them understand why Oz, as flawed as he is, made these choices and that in many ways he still really helped the world.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:

      To me, I felt their reveal was somewhat similar to Roman’s back in Volume 3.

      • 1. They’re not in the Volume’s opening.
      • 2. They don’t appear until the “second half.”

      Ooh, good points.  And I can also see Ruby hitching a ride on a Grimm to get back to Atlas, just like she did in Volume 3.  Only this time it'll be to stop Cinder and Neo from killing Oscar and seizing the Relic of Knowledge.

      Masma93 wrote: I expect Ruby and Oscar's choice to tell Ironwood to still have some negative consequences and the protagonists to experience things in Atlas that will make them Wonder if Ironwood's plan is really viable and if it's a really good idea to reveal Salem's existence to the public.

      I have the feeling that the heroes who has been very critical of Ozpin and his choices fail to understand why Oz chose to hid Salem's existence from the rest of the world and his and her past from even his followers, and that Atlas arc will be a painful experience that will finally make them understand why Oz, as flawed as he is, made these choices and that in many ways he still really helped the world.

      I disagree, for that would be rendering the majority of Volume 6 and all of Volume 7 pointless, since it would essentially be saying that Ozpin was right the whole time.  And I strongly disagree on that, demanding absolute faith from his allies while not doing the same for them is what led to Ozpin's downfall in the first place.  Ironwood tried that and was nearly ousted from his council seat.  So why should Ozpin be allowed to do the same without consequences?

      No, I severely doubt we're gonna see a return to the status quo, for it only delayed Salem's agenda and not stopped her outright.  And as long as she lives, Ozpin won't dare summon the Two Brothers back, lest the world be erased from existence.  We're gonna see a resolution to all this, and it won't be doing things Ozpin's way.  Heck even Oscar doesn't want to do things Ozpin's way anymore, so why should anyone else?

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:

      Mouseyboy221 wrote:

      To me, I felt their reveal was somewhat similar to Roman’s back in Volume 3.

      • 1. They’re not in the Volume’s opening.
      • 2. They don’t appear until the “second half.”

      Ooh, good points.  And I can also see Ruby hitching a ride on a Grimm to get back to Atlas, just like she did in Volume 3.  Only this time it'll be to stop Cinder and Neo from killing Oscar and seizing the Relic of Knowledge.

      Masma93 wrote: I expect Ruby and Oscar's choice to tell Ironwood to still have some negative consequences and the protagonists to experience things in Atlas that will make them Wonder if Ironwood's plan is really viable and if it's a really good idea to reveal Salem's existence to the public.

      I have the feeling that the heroes who has been very critical of Ozpin and his choices fail to understand why Oz chose to hid Salem's existence from the rest of the world and his and her past from even his followers, and that Atlas arc will be a painful experience that will finally make them understand why Oz, as flawed as he is, made these choices and that in many ways he still really helped the world.

      I disagree, for that would be rendering the majority of Volume 6 and all of Volume 7 pointless, since it would essentially be saying that Ozpin was right the whole time.  And I strongly disagree on that, demanding absolute faith from his allies while not doing the same for them is what led to Ozpin's downfall in the first place.  Ironwood tried that and was nearly ousted from his council seat.  So why should Ozpin be allowed to do the same without consequences?

      No, I severely doubt we're gonna see a return to the status quo, for it only delayed Salem's agenda and not stopped her outright.  And as long as she lives, Ozpin won't dare summon the Two Brothers back, lest the world be erased from existence.  We're gonna see a resolution to all this, and it won't be doing things Ozpin's way.  Heck even Oscar doesn't want to do things Ozpin's way anymore, so why should anyone else?

      I am not saying that Ozpin's methods were the right ones but I don't think that Ironwood's methods will be better to fight Salem and I feel that the heroes will realize that keeping Salem's existence secret from the public was not such a bad decision after all.

      And I don't think that team RWBY, JNR and Oscar have found the right approach to deal with Salem and her subordinates yet and that by trying to do better than Ozpin they will make several big mistakes that ironically Ozpin wouldn't have made until they find a better approach.

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    • I don't think Cinder will succed in draining Fria's powers, because it was stated at one point that there are always four maidens. No more, no less.

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    • Like Amber, she’ll probably steal a portion of the Winter Maiden’s power.

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    • i doubt it. Cinder was only able to steal the power as she wasnt already a maiden. I don't think that they would let Cinder have the power of two maidens. I think Neo is more likely, or one of the main characters.

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    • It seems that she stole part of Amber's Maiden powers via ripping part of her soul out of her, hence Ozpin's group telling Pyrrha that the only way they could give her the remainder of the powers was to give her what the powers were attached to - Amber's "Aura", or as Ozpin referred to it, "her life".

      When Cinder began stealing the Fall Maiden powers from Amber, the goo and her arm glowed yellow-orange like Amber's Aura color. The same thing happened with the Aura transfer machine - the pipes glowed yellow-orange, and Pyrrha did, as well. Then, in Haven's vault, as Cinder began trying to steal the Spring Maiden powers from Raven, we saw a red glow in her Grimm arm.

      As long as Cinder is not attaching the Maiden powers to her own soul, she may be able to store the other powers within her own body by ripping out the Aura that those powers are attached to. The question is if she will be able to use them.

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    • That is amazing

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    • Tessa23 wrote:
      okay so i found this on twitter
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      We talked about that earlier in the thread, though we linked to the tweet where Miles posted the screenshot.

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    • https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/ejyay3/official_first_discussion_threadvolume_7_episode/fd697zl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

      This is some really neat info from Alex on leitmotifs, the RWBY score really flies under the radar despite being really great. Should we include it in the Neo behind the scenes page once public release hits?

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    • NVDelta wrote:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/ejyay3/official_first_discussion_threadvolume_7_episode/fd697zl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

      This is some really neat info from Alex on leitmotifs, the RWBY score really flies under the radar despite being really great. Should we include it in the Neo behind the scenes page once public release hits?

      Sure. It is a fun little bit of info about the production of the show in relation to Neo.

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    • Sounds perfect to me. 

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    • I hope you all had a good christmas and if you practice the religion of Judaism, Hanukkah

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    • Heya, Tessa. Happy holidays!

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    • same to you!

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    • By the way, it's kind of poetic that Weiss stopped Jacques' escape by summoning what he (according to the manga) tried to use to stop her from going to Beacon.

      And he recognized it, too. He immediately knew exactly which daughter summoned it.

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    • How ironic.

      Also, is the manga even canon?

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      How ironic.

      Also, is the manga even canon?

      I was referring to the first manga. The one that was drawn by Shirow Miwa, which explained the White Trailer in a couple of its chapters. I mean, hey, that manga told us the armor Weiss fought contained "possession-type Grimm" before Miles and Kerry told us about it containing Geist Grimm, so it likely has a fair degree of canonicity to it.


      Also...

      Volume 6 & Companion Guide: Gravity Dust crystals are black.

      Volume 7: Actually, Gravity Dust crystals are purple.

      Volume 6: Well, I mean, Gravity Dust is purple elsewhere when not in crystal form.

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    • Yes I was talking about the first manga too.

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    • Seems like the Grav Dust crystals are a really dark purple. 
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    • They really should've illustrated that better, then. And they should've done something a bit different with the Gravity Dust crystals over Lake Matsu.

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    • Yeah. Now that I'm looking at them more closely they have bits of purple details, but it's pretty faint. 

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    • I just noticed that, when the Council's Scrolls go off with the emergency alert, Jacques' Scroll lights up, and we can see it through his pocket. The light even flickers along with the buzzing. Amazing detail.

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    • Oh, that’s really nice.

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    • Yeah I noticed that too.

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    • Saw the ep. I liked the way Jacques lost, but I saw a way it could've been much better: have him say the video was doctored because Watts is dead, pull out a bunch of other arguments to further defend himself, before Robyn uses her vibe-check hand to see if he's lying.

      Basically the same scene, only Robyn would get to actually use that lying detector she was revealed to conveniently have.


      I want something to happen to Whitley. Oscar is still in the manor with the relic that is supposed to attract Grimm (a big deal throughout Vol.6),and Whitley must be boiling inside with all sorts of emotions, considering...

      > Being left alone with an absent,drunk mother, unless he tracks down Klein and hires him back.

      > Likely ending up branded as the son of the guy that almost killed Mantle (Weiss at least will have video proof and Ironword that she was helping save people after the battle is over)

      > Most likely not even ready to take over the company (assuming he doesn't pass it to Willow)

      > Likely gonna be left behind again by his Huntressious sister, or at least thinking she will do that (which is likely)

      I want a Grimm to be attracted into the manor by Whitley and the Relic, and attack him. Then he either dies or Oscar gets a time to shine.


      Why are you people calling that Grimm a winged raptor instead of simply "dragon"? Its more of a dragon than Kevin was

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Saw the ep. I liked the way Jacques lost, but I saw a way it could've been much better: have him say the video was doctored because Watts is dead, pull out a bunch of other arguments to further defend himself, before Robyn uses her vibe-check hand to see if he's lying.

      Basically the same scene, only Robyn would get to actually use that lying detector she was revealed to conveniently have.


      I want something to happen to Whitley. Oscar is still in the manor with the relic that is supposed to attract Grimm (a big deal throughout Vol.6),and Whitley must be boiling inside with all sorts of emotions, considering...

      > Being left alone with an absent,drunk mother, unless he tracks down Klein and hires him back.

      > Likely ending up branded as the son of the guy that almost killed Mantle (Weiss at least will have video proof and Ironword that she was helping save people after the battle is over)

      > Most likely not even ready to take over the company (assuming he doesn't pass it to Willow)

      > Likely gonna be left behind again by his Huntressious sister, or at least thinking she will do that (which is likely)

      I want a Grimm to be attracted into the manor by Whitley and the Relic, and attack him. Then he either dies or Oscar gets a time to shine.


      Why are you people calling that Grimm a winged raptor instead of simply "dragon"? Its more of a dragon than Kevin was

      yeah, I hope oscar gets his time to shine.

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    • I kinda hate how Oscar keeps getting offscreen character development.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:
      I kinda hate how Oscar keeps getting offscreen character development.

      I liked how Oscar and Ironwood got to spend some time together on screen.

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    • Touché.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:
      Touché.

      what in the world does touche mean

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    • Touché is a pretty common remark, it's an acknowledgement of a good point. 

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    • oh thanks sorry i was kind of mad there for a second I think I'm getting into roleplaying a bit too much and it's showing.

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    • Yup and a term used in fencing.

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    • Mouseyboy221 wrote:
      Yup and a term used in fencing.

      cool you fence?

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    • Tessa23 wrote:

      Mouseyboy221 wrote:
      Yup and a term used in fencing.

      cool you fence?

      No, I couldn’t fence my way out of a wet paper bag. But the word “touché” is used to agree with someone and is used acknowledge a hit in fencing. But, I digress.

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    • Cool. So anyone else starting to feel bad for whitley?

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    • Considering Whitley hasn't gone through half the shit everybody else has; no, not particularly.

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    • Tessa23 wrote:

      Cool. So anyone else starting to feel bad for whitley?

      Me.

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    • A little bit.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Why are you people calling that Grimm a winged raptor instead of simply "dragon"? Its more of a dragon than Kevin was

      Because it is in fact a winged raptor and KEVIN looks more dragon-like.

      Even though he’s a wyvern.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Why are you people calling that Grimm a winged raptor instead of simply "dragon"? Its more of a dragon than Kevin was

      Because it is in fact a winged raptor and KEVIN looks more dragon-like.

      Even though he’s a wyvern.

      Who's KEVIN?

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    • You don’t know him?

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    • I didn't know you were calling him kevin

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    • Everyone calls him Kevin. It’s his name.

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    • I didn't know that I only found this fandom page last year.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      1. Saw the ep. I liked the way Jacques lost, but I saw a way it could've been much better: have him say the video was doctored because Watts is dead, pull out a bunch of other arguments to further defend himself, before Robyn uses her vibe-check hand to see if he's lying.

      Basically the same scene, only Robyn would get to actually use that lying detector she was revealed to conveniently have.


      2. I want something to happen to Whitley. Oscar is still in the manor with the relic that is supposed to attract Grimm (a big deal throughout Vol.6),and Whitley must be boiling inside with all sorts of emotions

      I want a Grimm to be attracted into the manor by Whitley and the Relic, and attack him. Then he either dies or Oscar gets a time to shine.


      3. Why are you people calling that Grimm a winged raptor instead of simply "dragon"? Its more of a dragon than Kevin was

      1. That would've been great. Though, it was amusing seeing Jacques get fustered and panicky. It seems like he's used to being in control.

      2. That would be good, especially after Whitley's comment about Huntsmen being "barbaric" in Volume 4.

      3. Because it's literally a raptor with pterodactyl wings. The concept art even shows that it has the raptor toes. It's officially called a Teryx, though.

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    • Gotta say, I really liked this episode. It was really satisfying to see Jacques losing at his own game, and to his daughter and the Knight he tried to use her in stopping from attending Beacon. I felt like Jacques’ downfall was done pretty well.

      Kinda frustrated that Robyn kept being interrupted from using her Semblance though. But it does make me wonder how Salem will be revealed, if it happens this volume.

      I love the Teryx as well. It wasn’t what I exspected out of a Dromeosaur Grimm, but it’s a neat design I think. As for those who wonder why a dinosaur is in the tundra...Well, a lot of paleontologists nowadays believe dinosaurs, or at least certain groups of dinosaurs like therapods, were warmblooded. Add the fact we have evidence that dinosaurs lived in polar regions, that snow and cold winters did happen and that some species had feathers (a trait Only found in warmblooded animals), and a dinosaur in the snow, while it may seem strange, is something that very likely happened.

      That being said, I think the Grimm are neither warm or coldblooded in general, considering they pretty much defy biology in general.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      1. That would've been great. Though, it was amusing seeing Jacques get fustered and panicky. It seems like he's used to being in control.

      2. That would be good, especially after Whitley's comment about Huntsmen being "barbaric" in Volume 4.

      3. Because it's literally a raptor with pterodactyl wings. The concept art even shows that it has the raptor toes. It's officially called a Teryx, though.

      1) Which serves to make him more of a foil for Jamey; they both hate it when things aren't going as planned, but Ironwood at least tries to stay cool (granted, every damn military ever drills that into every soldier)

      2) To be fair, other than Weiss, not many people show much grace amd finesse when fighting. Not even Winter.

      3) That is still a dragon. Also, a pterodactyl's wings are just an extended finger. If Terry had those wings he'd look like the Wyvern. Instead, hs wings are clearly separate from his hands.

      You know. Like european dragons. Also, I just noticed he has frosted hair. It looks so silly.

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    • So basically Terry is a dino-dragon? It still looks very dinosaur-like, as it's literally a raptor, but it's also dragon-like. Either way, it's meant to be a dinosaur.

      And regardless of what anyone likes to think/headcanon, a dinosaur-like Grimm is not a retcon. The show and the crew never said dinosaur Grimm are impossible, no one ever said Grimm can't resemble creatures that don't exist on Remnant (the Creep is living proof). Terry is just fine as he is.

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    • Except for the frosted hair. It makes him look like an edgy kid from the early 2000s, who only listens to Linkin Park and makes sure to dress as black as possible to look cool.

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    • Oh so terry's the nickname for this one. Sorry Kevin youre being sidelined.

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    • Terry is a raptor with wings. There’s literally nothing you can say that’ll change my mind.

      Edit: Also, there’s nothing wrong with the head frost.

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    • Same and Glitchee I think I just broke my OCs heart this makes me sad

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    • https://twitter.com/officialrwby/status/1215795709661917184?s=21

      V7C10 spoilers in the link. Might be a useful infobox.

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    • Oh...oh no....

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    • .... Ironwood and Oscar likely actually aren't at the Schnee Manor anymore. Ironwood said their transport had arrived and they should go. Back to Atlas Academy, perhaps? That's where he had told Oscar to go.

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    • NVDelta wrote: https://twitter.com/officialrwby/status/1215795709661917184?s=21

      V7C10 spoilers in the link. Might be a useful infobox.

      What are the two smaller Grimm flanking the Megaliath? Solitasian(?) Ursai, maybe?

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    • Yep, those are Ursai.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote: .... Ironwood and Oscar likely actually aren't at the Schnee Manor anymore.

      Oh, cool, then Whitley dies.

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    • I gotta say, I definitely feel this Volume is too rushed now. The Jacques takedown was far too clean and easy, bordering on implausible. His disinherited daughter bursts into the room with video of unstated provenance showing a dead man talking to him and everyone just believes it is true off the bat? Really hope they aren't planning to wrap this arc up in a single Volume using this kind of nonsense.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      I gotta say, I definitely feel this Volume is too rushed now. The Jacques takedown was far too clean and easy, bordering on implausible. His disinherited daughter bursts into the room with video of unstated provenance showing a dead man talking to him and everyone just believes it is true off the bat? Really hope they aren't planning to wrap this arc up in a single Volume using this kind of nonsense.

      To be fair, in order to fake that footage, she would probably need audio of Watts actually saying such things, considering that Watts' faked footage of Penny required him to use existing footage of Penny. On top of that, Jacques' reaction to the video was pretty telling. He became incredibly nervous, and when he was told to sit down, he fled. Seems very guilty.

      Had it just been silent footage or a photo of Watts sitting in Jacques' office, then they could've called bullshit and asked why she expects them to believe that's real. But it had Watts, his actual voice, saying things that were very, very specific to the exact situation that transpired. It also had Jacques' voice literally saying Watts' name, addressing him.

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    • I believe Jacques is going to be an ally in the future.

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    • My thoughts.


      And the doubt is being set in with the higher ups oblivious. Not a good look.


      repeated facedesk at supersonic speed WHAT THE FICK!? HOW DiD THE SYSTEM ALLOWQ FOR TWO SEATS!? WHAT THE HELL!?


      They're right to be worried James.


      And now Jacques is aware, but hiding the crisis.


      Yes he is afraid. Yes you are hiding htings James.


      That's a reasonable plan Robyn


      Thank you Weiss. Thank you. ANd you didn't blame your dad directly.


      "Paladin incident?" ummmmmm.... Stick a giant pin in this to come back to


      And shoow this to the pulic when it's calmer... but... sweat? Nice Somone saw a ghost?


      HELKL YES! Oh this should be good.


      Nice Weiss. OH HELL YES! She better be able too.


      And the looting is beginning and... FCOL! How stupid are you!? DO you see me thowing full gas cans on a bonfire?


      Don't look ashamed Penny. YOu're clear. As much as I'd like to see him be grilled slowly, people are freezing and getting desparate. And stupid in horrifying quantitites!


      Damn straight Robyn. CHange the passwords now.


      Weiss' gasp at the heat going out is nice. Yes. Stay focused WQinter.


      Of course. He's in Amity already!? Smash the atennea at the site. Lock it down from signals, and brace for attack.


      GETINSIDEYOUIDIOTS!NOWISNOTTHETIMEFORBINFIRESANDRIOTS!!GETINSIDECLOSEEVERYTHINGOFFCCONSERVEHEAT!DONTWASTEYOURENERGYANDHEAT!ANDNOWTHEGRIMMARECOMINGYOUIDIOTS!


      HOLDNOTHINGBACK~ALLDEFENSESTOTHEFRONT!!THISISPANICTIMESOLOADUPANDSTARTBLITZING


      USETHEFLEETORLOSETHEKINGDOM


      Launch time!?


      Rain fire from on high Penny. You


      Well I kmow Neo is here, so that might be her if she learned green eyes.


      Be awkward later. rain death now!


      NO ROSEGGARDEN!


      So who'd on door gun? Did we get them backl


      Was that a Dragon!?


      Well any later would be hypocrisy.


      We don't need James having a heart Atta


      ICE DRAGON!


      Call in fighters!


      Aim for the biggest Megoliath, and leave a grenade on the fuel tank


      Poor Whitley.Go help him out WIllow. Yup, that's a Neo. This is where they've been hiding!? FCOL! Well now Cinder is somewhere with enough air support to pulp her 100 times over.


      See you b*tch3s next week. I hope you die Cinder.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      Really hope they aren't planning to wrap this arc up in a single Volume using this kind of nonsense.

      It sure looks like that's what they're doing.

      I get the feeling (and hopefully I'm wrong) that Miles and Kerry just want to get this show over with asap.  Most writers would have made an arc of Atlas, but these guys just seem to want to blow through it as quickly as possible.  Again, hope I'm wrong, but it's starting to look like Atlas is going to be 1-and-done.

      I mean, at the pace this show is going now, RWBY could realistically be concluded in Volume 9.  V8 could deal with Vacuo/Relic of destruction, and V9 could be the final battle in the ruins of Beacon/Relic of choice.  I know nobody here wants that (myself included), but I think we have to start entertaining the possibility that this is the home stretch for RWBY.

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    • Volume 7 is going to be about the fall of Atlas, volume 8 is the aftermath. I firmly believe RWBY will end on volume 10.

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    • RWBY bowing out on V9 or V10 would be a very early ending, considering many have speculated that it could go 20 volumes.  I have to say, at this point it appears that it will end closer to 10 volumes than to 20.  The pace of this show has only gotten faster after people complained about it being too fast in the last 3 volumes.

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    • It has been going very fast. Either volume 10 or 12 is when it will get its ending.

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    • The rapid pacing doesn't feel as bad, but there are noticable gaps that feel like things have been cut. No party with FNKI for example.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote: The rapid pacing doesn't feel as bad, but there are noticable gaps that feel like things have been cut. No party with FNKI for example.

      Or the first Grimm attack after Tyrian and Watts sabotaged Robyn’s party.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      To be fair, in order to fake that footage, she would probably need audio of Watts actually saying such things, considering that Watts' faked footage of Penny required him to use existing footage of Penny. On top of that, Jacques' reaction to the video was pretty telling. He became incredibly nervous, and when he was told to sit down, he fled. Seems very guilty.

      Had it just been silent footage or a photo of Watts sitting in Jacques' office, then they could've called bullshit and asked why she expects them to believe that's real. But it had Watts, his actual voice, saying things that were very, very specific to the exact situation that transpired. It also had Jacques' voice literally saying Watts' name, addressing him.

      Yeah, but Jacques reacting that way was even more absurd. He didn't manipulate his way into the Schnee family and control of the SDC by being someone who falls apart because he forgot to prepare for his actions being exposed. Also, Jacques giving Watts his personal log-in without preparing for a double-cross seems like the dumbest move ever for someone like him. This was lame story-telling, plain and simple. Made him look like an amateur.

      Here is a more plausible way for this to have played out: Weiss plays the footage and Jacques becomes nervous, but rapidly transitions into being indignant. Jacques says the footage is clearly faked, raises that his daughter is disgruntled after being disinherited for her life-endangering actions at the charity ball, and then demands to know the source of the "so-called" footage. At this point either Weiss refuses to out her mom as the source, giving him the opportunity to further attack the authenticity, or does and he immediately responds by highlighting Willow's alcoholism to impugn her credibility.

      Would have been a far more believable scene had it played out that way. It also would have been more believable if they fought over it, only for Ironwood and the other Council members to say clearly there needed to be an investigation to determine the truth of the claims. At that point, they get interrupted by the whole business with the heat being turned off, so any further action or discussion is delayed. However, instead we get this ridiculous display. I seriously hope they aren't basically concluding things with Jacques this way as that would be like Adam all over again, only worse.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      ChishioKunrin wrote:

      To be fair, in order to fake that footage, she would probably need audio of Watts actually saying such things, considering that Watts' faked footage of Penny required him to use existing footage of Penny. On top of that, Jacques' reaction to the video was pretty telling. He became incredibly nervous, and when he was told to sit down, he fled. Seems very guilty.

      Had it just been silent footage or a photo of Watts sitting in Jacques' office, then they could've called bullshit and asked why she expects them to believe that's real. But it had Watts, his actual voice, saying things that were very, very specific to the exact situation that transpired. It also had Jacques' voice literally saying Watts' name, addressing him.

      Yeah, but Jacques reacting that way was even more absurd. He didn't manipulate his way into the Schnee family and control of the SDC by being someone who falls apart because he forgot to prepare for his actions being exposed. Also, Jacques giving Watts his personal log-in without preparing for a double-cross seems like the dumbest move ever for someone like him. This was lame story-telling, plain and simple. Made him look like an amateur.

      Here is a more plausible way for this to have played out: Weiss plays the footage and Jacques becomes nervous, but rapidly transitions into being indignant. Jacques says the footage is clearly faked, raises that his daughter is disgruntled after being disinherited for her life-endangering actions at the charity ball, and then demands to know the source of the "so-called" footage. At this point either Weiss refuses to out her mom as the source, giving him the opportunity to further attack the authenticity, or does and he immediately responds by highlighting Willow's alcoholism to impugn her credibility.

      Would have been a far more believable scene had it played out that way. It also would have been more believable if they fought over it, only for Ironwood and the other Council members to say clearly there needed to be an investigation to determine the truth of the claims. At that point, they get interrupted by the whole business with the heat being turned off, so any further action or discussion is delayed. However, instead we get this ridiculous display. I seriously hope they aren't basically concluding things with Jacques this way as that would be like Adam all over again, only worse.

      Or maybe Jacques tempts Weiss to arrest him, but with him behind bars who will step in to take his place? Without him to run the company, the SDC would go bankrupt and massive lay-offs would ensue. Leaving the workers and miners jobless, and maybe even homeless. (The writers would have Willow step in as the CEO of the SDC.)

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Yeah, but Jacques reacting that way was even more absurd. He didn't manipulate his way into the Schnee family and control of the SDC by being someone who falls apart because he forgot to prepare for his actions being exposed. Also, Jacques giving Watts his personal log-in without preparing for a double-cross seems like the dumbest move ever for someone like him. This was lame story-telling, plain and simple. Made him look like an amateur.

      Here is a more plausible way for this to have played out: Weiss plays the footage and Jacques becomes nervous, but rapidly transitions into being indignant. Jacques says the footage is clearly faked, raises that his daughter is disgruntled after being disinherited for her life-endangering actions at the charity ball, and then demands to know the source of the "so-called" footage. At this point either Weiss refuses to out her mom as the source, giving him the opportunity to further attack the authenticity, or does and he immediately responds by highlighting Willow's alcoholism to impugn her credibility.

      Would have been a far more believable scene had it played out that way. It also would have been more believable if they fought over it, only for Ironwood and the other Council members to say clearly there needed to be an investigation to determine the truth of the claims. At that point, they get interrupted by the whole business with the heat being turned off, so any further action or discussion is delayed. However, instead we get this ridiculous display. I seriously hope they aren't basically concluding things with Jacques this way as that would be like Adam all over again, only worse.

      That does sound better, though again, how would Weiss or anyone else fake Watts' actual voice saying very specific things that perfectly line up with what happened? Councilman Sleet didn't believe the footage until he listened to Watts talking in the video. That seemed to be what got him to believe it.

      I also have to wonder if Jacques had history with Watts, enough to trust him, unaware that Watts held no attachment to him. After all, not only did they seem somewhat familiar with each other, but we've known that the SDC has had a connection with the Atlas military's science team since Volume 2. In A Minor Hiccup, Ironwood states that the Atlesian Paladin was built from cooperation between Atlas scientists and the Schnee Dust Company.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Yeah, but Jacques reacting that way was even more absurd. He didn't manipulate his way into the Schnee family and control of the SDC by being someone who falls apart because he forgot to prepare for his actions being exposed. Also, Jacques giving Watts his personal log-in without preparing for a double-cross seems like the dumbest move ever for someone like him. This was lame story-telling, plain and simple. Made him look like an amateur.

      Here is a more plausible way for this to have played out: Weiss plays the footage and Jacques becomes nervous, but rapidly transitions into being indignant. Jacques says the footage is clearly faked, raises that his daughter is disgruntled after being disinherited for her life-endangering actions at the charity ball, and then demands to know the source of the "so-called" footage. At this point either Weiss refuses to out her mom as the source, giving him the opportunity to further attack the authenticity, or does and he immediately responds by highlighting Willow's alcoholism to impugn her credibility.

      Would have been a far more believable scene had it played out that way. It also would have been more believable if they fought over it, only for Ironwood and the other Council members to say clearly there needed to be an investigation to determine the truth of the claims. At that point, they get interrupted by the whole business with the heat being turned off, so any further action or discussion is delayed. However, instead we get this ridiculous display. I seriously hope they aren't basically concluding things with Jacques this way as that would be like Adam all over again, only worse.

      I think you're forgetting one crucial detail: Jacques was already thrown off once he learned the heating in Mantle had been deactivated, on his authority no less.  Which meant that he would've blamed for whatever chaos befell Mantle as a result.  Think about what that would've done for his carefully crafted image.  He was no longer about thinking about bringing down Ironwood, more like how he was going to mitigate the damages that were about to ensue.  So there was no way he would've been able to bluff his way out of Weiss' accusations, especially when she had incriminating evidence, which also caught him saying he'd lay off all his employees if he didn't need their votes.  Shows how much he cares about the people.

      Jacques is definitely a Smug Snake, like many of the villains on the show (which includes Adam as well).  They always try to be bigger than are, though once their ruse is exposed they fall to pieces, just like Jacques did in Episode 9.  Sorry if you were expecting more from him, but his fate is now sealed, and I daresay his role in the story is basically over.  I'll be surprised if we ever see him again, at least now he won't be able to hurt anyone else.

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    • So am I the only one who thinks that Neo and Cinder are hidng inside Schnee manor?

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    • They are didn't you notice?

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    • I don't think they're in the Manor, considering Neo walked away from it and the hallways have different styles. 

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    • They are probably still on the property rhough.

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    • V7 09 00102
      The implication I got from this shot is she's leaving the property.
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    • NVDelta wrote:
      V7 09 00102
      The implication I got from this shot is she's leaving the property.

      Forgot about that shot.

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    • It looked like an apartment building. At first, I thought it was a hotel, but there were no room number plates or anything that would indicate a hotel. Plus, the locks were number pads instead of key cards.

      I know there are places irl where you can get an apartment where the lock is a number pad, and you have to type in the password.

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    • My thoughts exactly, Chis. 

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:

      The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Yeah, but Jacques reacting that way was even more absurd. He didn't manipulate his way into the Schnee family and control of the SDC by being someone who falls apart because he forgot to prepare for his actions being exposed. Also, Jacques giving Watts his personal log-in without preparing for a double-cross seems like the dumbest move ever for someone like him. This was lame story-telling, plain and simple. Made him look like an amateur.

      Here is a more plausible way for this to have played out: Weiss plays the footage and Jacques becomes nervous, but rapidly transitions into being indignant. Jacques says the footage is clearly faked, raises that his daughter is disgruntled after being disinherited for her life-endangering actions at the charity ball, and then demands to know the source of the "so-called" footage. At this point either Weiss refuses to out her mom as the source, giving him the opportunity to further attack the authenticity, or does and he immediately responds by highlighting Willow's alcoholism to impugn her credibility.

      Would have been a far more believable scene had it played out that way. It also would have been more believable if they fought over it, only for Ironwood and the other Council members to say clearly there needed to be an investigation to determine the truth of the claims. At that point, they get interrupted by the whole business with the heat being turned off, so any further action or discussion is delayed. However, instead we get this ridiculous display. I seriously hope they aren't basically concluding things with Jacques this way as that would be like Adam all over again, only worse.

      I think you're forgetting one crucial detail: Jacques was already thrown off once he learned the heating in Mantle had been deactivated, on his authority no less.  Which meant that he would've blamed for whatever chaos befell Mantle as a result.  Think about what that would've done for his carefully crafted image.  He was no longer about thinking about bringing down Ironwood, more like how he was going to mitigate the damages that were about to ensue.  So there was no way he would've been able to bluff his way out of Weiss' accusations, especially when she had incriminating evidence, which also caught him saying he'd lay off all his employees if he didn't need their votes.  Shows how much he cares about the people.

      Jacques is definitely a Smug Snake, like many of the villains on the show (which includes Adam as well).  They always try to be bigger than are, though once their ruse is exposed they fall to pieces, just like Jacques did in Episode 9.  Sorry if you were expecting more from him, but his fate is now sealed, and I daresay his role in the story is basically over.  I'll be surprised if we ever see him again, at least now he won't be able to hurt anyone else.

      I'd settle for cameo where Weiss visits him in prison a few years and we see the effect it has had on him. And maybe we see that time in prison has made him see the error of his way.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      That does sound better, though again, how would Weiss or anyone else fake Watts' actual voice saying very specific things that perfectly line up with what happened? Councilman Sleet didn't believe the footage until he listened to Watts talking in the video. That seemed to be what got him to believe it.

      I also have to wonder if Jacques had history with Watts, enough to trust him, unaware that Watts held no attachment to him. After all, not only did they seem somewhat familiar with each other, but we've known that the SDC has had a connection with the Atlas military's science team since Volume 2. In A Minor Hiccup, Ironwood states that the Atlesian Paladin was built from cooperation between Atlas scientists and the Schnee Dust Company.

      Given we saw how Watts was able to fabricate footage of Penny killing the people at the election party, I don't think it is a stretch to say a voice could be faked. The latter is probably less difficult. We don't know how effective his doctoring is because it is not like Ironwood needed to have the footage analyzed. He already knew what really happened. Not suggesting it would have been an argument that stuck, but it would have been an effective delaying tactic and allow him room to not get arrested immediately.

      Alhazad2003 wrote:

      I think you're forgetting one crucial detail: Jacques was already thrown off once he learned the heating in Mantle had been deactivated, on his authority no less.  Which meant that he would've blamed for whatever chaos befell Mantle as a result.  Think about what that would've done for his carefully crafted image.  He was no longer about thinking about bringing down Ironwood, more like how he was going to mitigate the damages that were about to ensue.  So there was no way he would've been able to bluff his way out of Weiss' accusations, especially when she had incriminating evidence, which also caught him saying he'd lay off all his employees if he didn't need their votes.  Shows how much he cares about the people.

      That is hardly a crucial detail. His default response to adversity or challenge has consistently been anger and indignation, not panic. It also just leaves open the other problem that he gave some guy who pretended to be dead and was offering to do unsavory things for him his personal log-in credentials. Let's be clear: this is writing for wish-fulfillment, not due to anything more thought-out. Hell, if anything, the use of his account gave him the opening to say he was being subjected to a smear campaign and then blame Ironwood as the architecht. Someone was killing off Ironwood's critics after all.

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    • Uh hello that was Tyrian it was confirmed a couple episodes ago.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      Given we saw how Watts was able to fabricate footage of Penny killing the people at the election party, I don't think it is a stretch to say a voice could be faked. The latter is probably less difficult. We don't know how effective his doctoring is because it is not like Ironwood needed to have the footage analyzed. He already knew what really happened. Not suggesting it would have been an argument that stuck, but it would have been an effective delaying tactic and allow him room to not get arrested immediately.

      But Watts needed to use actual existing footage of Penny in order to doctor the footage of the massacre. So where would Weiss or anyone else get fake audio of Watts from? The reason I've been putting so much emphasis on him and Jacques talking very, very specifically about exactly what happened in the video and Jacques saying Watts' name is because they would need to get audio that of those two saying things like that to make such a convincing fake. That is a lot harder than just cutting and pasting footage of Penny fighting.

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    • I think the Jacques scene could have been handled way better. For example he could claim that the footage Weiss had was fake just like the Penny video. This would create confusion among the group especially when you consider the footage contained a supposed dead man. This would all eventually come around to Robyn actually using her semblance in a meaningful way by forcing the truth out of Jacques. This would have been more rewarding imo because it's his own damn fault for inviting the woman into his home to begin with. In this rewrite he essentially played himself. A lot more satisfying than what we got. Don't even get me started on the Ruby getting off scott free with lying and Ironwood not reacting remotely bad like they thought.


      EDIT:  It's also just annoying that team RWBY and co were so mad at Ozpin and felt like they had a right to be, yet did the same thing to Ironwood and expected everything to be okay when telling the truth. They literally handled the situation like this "oh things are hitting the fan now lol let's tell the truth now cute farm boy UwU"

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    • Mopopri wrote:
      I think the Jacques scene could have been handled way better. For example he could claim that the footage Weiss had was fake just like the Penny video. This would create confusion among the group especially when you consider the footage contained a supposed dead man. This would all eventually come around to Robyn actually using her semblance in a meaningful way by forcing the truth out of Jacques. This would have been more rewarding imo because it's his own damn fault for inviting the woman into his home to begin with. In this rewrite he essentially played himself. A lot more satisfying than what we got.

      That would've been good, and it wouldn't have even extended the seen that much at all, so CRWBY wouldn't be able to say "Well, we didn't have time."

      Literally, just

      Ironwood: *Tells Weiss to pause the video*

      Jacques: *Stands up in fake outrage* This is ridiculous! That video is clearly doctored, just like they claim the footage of that robot girl to be!

      Robyn: Alright, I'm tired of this. If you're so sure that video is fake, take my hand and prove it. *Heads over to Jacques*

      Jacques: I...

      Robyn: *Holds her hand out*

      Jacques: ..... *Tries to flee*

      All they would have to do is rewrite one small piece of the scene, just like that scene in Volume 5 where Jaune just randomly already knows about Raven. That could've been fixed with a small change too!

      Lionheart: Raven.

      Ruby: *Gasp*

      Jaune: Who?

      Ruby: Yang's mom. I'll... explain later.

      Boom, change two lines of dialogue.

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    • Bluethunder25 wrote:I'd settle for cameo where Weiss visits him in prison a few years and we see the effect it has had on him. And maybe we see that time in prison has made him see the error of his way.

      Hrm, we'll see, the episode showed that there is a limit to his cold-heartedness, so he's not a Complete Monster, though that will be of little consolence considering how many lives he's ruined in his bid for fame and fortune.

      The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      That is hardly a crucial detail. His default response to adversity or challenge has consistently been anger and indignation, not panic. It also just leaves open the other problem that he gave some guy who pretended to be dead and was offering to do unsavory things for him his personal log-in credentials. Let's be clear: this is writing for wish-fulfillment, not due to anything more thought-out. Hell, if anything, the use of his account gave him the opening to say he was being subjected to a smear campaign and then blame Ironwood as the architecht. Someone was killing off Ironwood's critics after all.

      That's where you're wrong, the possibly of hundreds if not thousands dying from hypothermia due to the Mantle heating grid being shut down was a very crucial detail, one that not even Jacques Schnee was cold-hearted enough to ignore.  If he did then he would be a Complete Monster, and if he tried blaming Ironwood for the Mantle incident then he wouldn't leave that dining room alive.  So he should be thankful he has a chance (albeit a slim one) to put things right, he wouldn't in your scenario, I can tell you that.

      ChishioKunrin wrote: That would've been good, and it wouldn't have even extended the seen that much at all, so CRWBY wouldn't be able to say "Well, we didn't have time."

      Literally, just

      Ironwood: *Tells Weiss to pause the video*

      Jacques: *Stands up in fake outrage* This is ridiculous! That video is clearly doctored, just like they claim the footage of that robot girl to be!

      Robyn: Alright, I'm tired of this. If you're so sure that video is fake, take my hand and prove it. *Heads over to Jacques*

      Jacques: I...

      Robyn: *Holds her hand out*

      Jacques: ..... *Tries to flee*

      All they would have to do is rewrite one small piece of the scene, just like that scene in Volume 5 where Jaune just randomly already knows about Raven. That could've been fixed with a small change too!

      Lionheart: Raven.

      Ruby: *Gasp*

      Jaune: Who?

      Ruby: Yang's mom. I'll... explain later.

      Boom, change two lines of dialogue.

      Hrm, true enough, though the whole crunch issue can be described in two words: Gen:LOCK.  Had CRWBY not trying develop two major shows at once, they would've had a lot more resources to put into RWBY, and thus Volume 5 would've been greatly improved and they wouldn't have needed to put all their eggs in one basket (Raven vs Cinder).  Not to mention they could've given us the Volume 6 finale we were promised (which would've included "The Greatest Kingdom"), and given themselves more material for Volume 7.  Alas, CRWBY overextended themselves and both shows paid the price.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Mopopri wrote:
      I think the Jacques scene could have been handled way better. For example he could claim that the footage Weiss had was fake just like the Penny video. This would create confusion among the group especially when you consider the footage contained a supposed dead man. This would all eventually come around to Robyn actually using her semblance in a meaningful way by forcing the truth out of Jacques. This would have been more rewarding imo because it's his own damn fault for inviting the woman into his home to begin with. In this rewrite he essentially played himself. A lot more satisfying than what we got.
      That would've been good, and it wouldn't have even extended the seen that much at all, so CRWBY wouldn't be able to say "Well, we didn't have time."

      Literally, just

      Ironwood: *Tells Weiss to pause the video*

      Jacques: *Stands up in fake outrage* This is ridiculous! That video is clearly doctored, just like they claim the footage of that robot girl to be!

      Robyn: Alright, I'm tired of this. If you're so sure that video is fake, take my hand and prove it. *Heads over to Jacques*

      Jacques: I...

      Robyn: *Holds her hand out*

      Jacques: ..... *Tries to flee*

      All they would have to do is rewrite one small piece of the scene, just like that scene in Volume 5 where Jaune just randomly already knows about Raven. That could've been fixed with a small change too!

      Lionheart: Raven.

      Ruby: *Gasp*

      Jaune: Who?

      Ruby: Yang's mom. I'll... explain later.

      Boom, change two lines of dialogue.

      Why isn't Chishio on the CRWBY yet? She fixes poorly written dialogue, and notices the stuff that no one else pays attention to. Like ffffff uwu

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    • CorpzCry wrote: Why isn't Chishio on the CRWBY yet? She fixes poorly written dialogue, and notices the stuff that no one else pays attention to. Like ffffff uwu

      That’s a good question.

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    • yeah

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    • Tessa23 wrote:
      Uh hello that was Tyrian it was confirmed a couple episodes ago.

      Yeah, I have been watching the show too, obviously. The team know it is Tyrian, but the general public does not know that and they explicitly said they were not going to announce the fact. Unless they reveal it now, since the Council is informed, the question will remain open for the public. Revealing it in the midst of accusations by a critic about a smear campaign involving fake evidence isn't going to be very effective. All it would be is two powerful Atlesian figures bickering with each other and each accusing the other of faking their evidence or lying.

      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      But Watts needed to use actual existing footage of Penny in order to doctor the footage of the massacre. So where would Weiss or anyone else get fake audio of Watts from? The reason I've been putting so much emphasis on him and Jacques talking very, very specifically about exactly what happened in the video and Jacques saying Watts' name is because they would need to get audio that of those two saying things like that to make such a convincing fake. That is a lot harder than just cutting and pasting footage of Penny fighting.

      It is not like Watts was doing any complicated maneuvers in that footage. All they really need are some old images of him sitting in a chair and walking. Spoken words can be faked easily enough. The idea here isn't that he can prove that it is altered as we know he can't, though he could maybe fake evidence given enough time, but rather it is about offering a plausible excuse and creating confusion around what might be the truth. His whole schtick is manipulating people's emotions and uncertainties. Ironwood already opened the door for the whole "fake footage" aspect so, even where we know it isn't fake, Jacques can play on that as well.

      Alhazad2003 wrote:
      That's where you're wrong, the possibly of hundreds if not thousands dying from hypothermia due to the Mantle heating grid being shut down was a very crucial detail, one that not even Jacques Schnee was cold-hearted enough to ignore. 

      The question here is whether he would actually be caught so much off-guard and unprepared that he would completely fumble any defense when presented with information about his activities, not whether he would be bothered by other events.

      If he did then he would be a Complete Monster, and if he tried blaming Ironwood for the Mantle incident then he wouldn't leave that dining room alive. 

      What nonsense are you even suggesting here? Are you saying they would just execute him without a trial solely because some people in the room know he is a lying jerk? Ridiculous. That wouldn't happen.

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    • The new species of Grimm just keep getting more & more fascinating. 1 which is dragon-like whose body is modelled after a raptor-type dinosaur & the other is based on a woolly mammoth. I wonder if there's any similar to a mermaid or bigfoot.

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    • Why in the world are people still replying on this? Go to the episode page.

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    • Tessa23 wrote:
      Why in the world are people still replying on this? Go to the episode page.

      Obviously, people are still interested in talking about the episode. What is your problem with that?

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    • There isnt anything spoiler wise o talk about on this thread I did not mean to come across as rude.

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    • Tessa23 wrote:
      There isnt anything spoiler wise o talk about on this thread I did not mean to come across as rude.

      We used to have a non-spoiler episode discussion thread, but people always made a big presentation of it and no one has bothered to do that in a while, so it just hasn't been done at all.

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    • oh okay

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    • A FANDOM user
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