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  • RWBY's new Lore Book revealed the REAL name of Cinder's semblance: Scorching Caress. Cinder is able to superheat objects and change their shape.

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    • What? WHAT?? BUT WE JUST FIIINALLY GOT A DOUBLE CONFIRMATION THAT SHE CONTROLLS dust!! What the hell???

      F*** it! Fine! thats fine. FINE.

      don't mind that outburst, thank you.

      now we have to rewrite that section.

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    • We never got confirmation that she controls dust.  That was speculation by the voice cast at a panel.  The VAs don't know anything.

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    • Riiight... those "VAs that don't know anything" were Monty's friends that lived with him and helped him craft the story of RWBY. The main girls are based on Lindsay, Barbara, Arryn and Kara. And Monty talked about rwby every chance he got.

      Barbara knowing about Yang losing her arm before the show even had a single episode one disagrees with your statement that "The VAs don't know anything".

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    • When I said, The VAs don't know anything, I only meant that you can't trust them.  Obviously there are some things that they're going to hear from the writers from time to time.  But if you're going to update this wiki every time one of them opens their mouth, you're going to be doing a lot of unnecessary editing.  Wait for real verification next time.  Your job will be much easier.

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    • Yeah, that's why the wiki didn't add anything up until a month ago when we got two seperate sources claiming the same thing at two different places. Yeah, desperate? probably. But it's been floating around for so long.

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    • Kaity's right.  Voice actors aren't telepathically in tune with the writers.  You can't take what they say as credible ever.  Yeah, sometimes they'll let spill something that's actually valid.  But that's just a fragment compared to all the inaccurate stuff they toss out there.

      It could just be speculation, it could be something they heard from the writers that has since been rewritten, or it could be blatant misinformation to keep fans guessing and interested.  It's the same thing with Neo's name.  Everybody keeps freaking out about it.  Just take a chill pill, and wait until Miles and Kerry verify it.

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    • Ok, so I did some digging and at Connichi 2017 MILES LUNA said that Cinder's Semblance is dust (as in normal dust, not Dust) manipulation.

      "...and can turn it into glass and stuff (because of Cinderella's glass shoes). When she killed Pyrrha, she decided to go a bit overboard with her new powers. Pyrrah was incinerated from the inside out. It was also decided to be shown on-screen so there wouldn't be any theories like "oh she just survived". But then, they said, there were theories like "she just got teleported away!" which pretty much was the opposite of what they intended to say. "

      So yeah. Unless I am mistaken, Miles Luna is yes, a voice actor, but also a writer for RWBY.

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    • For Neo's name, we had onscreen evidence and Word of Monty.

      For Cinder's Semblance, all we had was the word of a different character's voice actor.

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    • Miles Luna is the writer for the show.

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    • Check the timestamps. You ninja'd me there.

      And there's no contradiction anyway, because the description of her Semblance doesn't rule out dust.

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    • Yeah, it still works. What I'm really sad about is that we got the quote that she's jealous of people with natural power in the Knights Chronicle Card. That makes sense if her power was to manipulate dirt/dust. Her power was dirt and she had to work on it to make it be powerful. That adds so much to her character and her manipulations.

      Now she can just create fire and explosions. It loses the cool nuance.

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    • Kaitryona Acheron wrote: … Wait for real verification next time.  Your job will be much easier.

      This is about the closest we ever got of verification for ANYTHING in the show before V3... these panels are resources of the most obtuse and vexing things, we don't actively search for things, we just get given so much and the rest is ____ likes toast over waffles, Monty tried posting here or submitting verification... Merry never have, we still never really got the verification of Monty's until we had Shaina(?)'s verification after his death(or shortly b4).

      If we outright ban people from adding things from these panels where we can't verify the exact level of source, we'd never have much here at all that wasn't directly evident in an episode.

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    • I'll use a different example to illustrate why these sources are unreliable.

      Yssa Badiola claimed Neo was 16 years old in Volume 6, which the wiki ignored for implausibility.

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    • We were wrong, just like the "Qrow turning into a crow is his semblance" thing. It happens, what should be done now is fixing our mistake.

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    • Question, is this spoiler territory? The book is/isn't out yet?

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    • EmBELLEm wrote: Question, is this spoiler territory? The book is/isn't out yet?

      I think we might be figuring out policy as we go here.

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    • That's why they are added or omitted on a case by case basis, we had 2 sources, and one was verified by a regular Wiki member personally.

      As Chish explained, the VA's are generally told big things about their character they might reveal in dialogue/MoCap, Neo isn't a speaking role, most of the OG VA's are in this from the beginning and it is very hard to say what they may not know as blanket policy, outsiders like Vic are not the norm in this series.

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    • Scorching Caress
      You know what, I'll just leave this here. If the spoiler police gets me I'll say Glitchee did it.

      There. It's on the wiki.

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    • Basically we tend to trust the titular character VAs because they have been told important stuff like this, or were part of the discussions in the early days.

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    • I think the problem is, and please don't take offense to this (because it seems like everybody takes offense to everything I say), that the people running this site have forgotten what their function is.  Anybody contributing to pages on this wiki is tasked with reporting and cataloguing facts.  Not speculation, not rumors, not the murmurings of voice talent; facts.

      Nothing with regard to Cinder's semblance, up until now, has ever been a fact.  It has always been conjecture and it has always been unsubstantiated.  It doesn't matter if Lindsay says it, and it doesn't matter if Miles hints at it; it's not a fact until it's verified as such.  There are 3 ways that something RWBY related can be verified as a fact:

      1 - Information is revealed on the show.

      2 - Information is revealed in offical texts.

      3 - Information is revealed by the writers, in explicit fashion.

      Anything short of that is pure speculation, and I have to applaud you guys for proving it.  You were so convinced that Cinder's semblance was dust manipulation.  You thought you had it all figured out.  But you didn't.  Because it doesn't matter until it's verified.  Cinder's semblance is not dust manipulation.  The VAs were wrong, and by extension, due to your gullibility, so were you.

      And there's no shame in that.  Being wrong is fine.  My RWBY theories are wrong all the damn time.  Just be wrong, here, in the forums.  Don't be wrong on official wiki pages.  If something isn't verified, leave it to be discussed here, and simply leave the wiki entry incomplete for the time being.  It's really that simple.

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    • Hmm... I get how some people feel this is a retcon that removes the bit of character depth her Knight's Chronicle bio gave her, but I... slightly disagree with that. From what I read, it doesn't seem to be retconning her Semblance so much as it's expanding on it.

      In fact, I have an admittedly crazy theory: What if the power of the Fall Maiden enhanced her Semblance and made it far stronger than it normally is? Before you write this off, hear me out. What if initially, her Semblance started off as just dust manipulation and she couldn't heat anything, but after gaining the power of the Fall Maiden, she gained the ability to superheat the dust she controls into glass objects?

      During her battle with Amber in Volume 3, before she got half of the Fall Maiden's power, the gold parts of Cinders outfit would glow when she heated the dust into glass shards. So maybe before she got the Maiden's power, she could only manipulate dust and using Fire Dust woven into her clothing to heat the dust she controls. Before gaining the Fall Maiden's power, Cinder used a metal version of weapon Midnight, but after gaining the Maiden's power, she melted her old weapon away and began using a black glass version of Midnight.

      Edit: Also, during her fight with Ruby in Volume 2, after gaining half of the Fall Maiden's power, she still used Fire Dust woven into her clothing as well as regular dust that carried around, implying that gaining the Fall Maiden's power *did* make her Semblance stronger, but not strong enough that she could heat things up on her own. Once she gets the full power of the Fall Maiden, she can superheat objects without the need of Fire Dust.

      Like I said, this is just a theory and could likely be wrong, but it's just some food for thought.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:

      Anything short of that is pure speculation, and I have to applaud you guys for proving it.  You were so convinced that Cinder's semblance was dust manipulation.  You thought you had it all figured out.  But you didn't.  Because it doesn't matter until it's verified.  Cinder's semblance is not dust manipulation.  The VAs were wrong, and by extension, due to your gullibility, so were you.

      And there's no shame in that.  Being wrong is fine.  My RWBY theories are wrong all the damn time.  Just be wrong, here, in the forums.  Don't be wrong on official wiki pages.  If something isn't verified, leave it to be discussed here, and simply leave the wiki entry incomplete for the time being.  It's really that simple.

      The cinder thing has been incomplete for years and it was only added about a week ago because we got two seperate statements from two different sources, one of which is Miles Luna, who is the writer, director and co-creator of the show and said outright that it's dust manipulation. But as they didn't film the panel we STILL didn't feel comfortable in adding it. So only after we got a second source we were comfortable in adding it.

      Editing the wiki is effin hard. Especially when the creators decide to make the world more "free" aka not saying anything concrete to not "write themselves into a corner". But that makes it all the more difficult for us. How does Beacon look like? Vale? Mistral? In every appearance they have a slight change so how do we tackle that? They have made so many retcons that it's difficult to keep up, what to do then? What would you do with the Neo issue? Both sides have arguments.

      Their idea to not give any concrete dates and times means that we have to guess how the timeline goes. Or distances between places.

      If you went through the wiki you'll probably find more stuff you disagree with, but guess what? You're free to fix it. Nobody ever seems to want to help and fix, only complain after the fact.

      Hindsight is 20:20, It's easy to come here and say what's wrong after the fact, but nobody cares when we have the difficult job of building this place.

      And no matter what we do we get called out for it. Manticores and Chimeras. If we say they're related it's wrong. If we say they're not related it's wrong. SO we chose to not even mention it. Guess what, that's wrong too.

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    • EmBELLEm wrote:

      Hindsight is 20:20, It's easy to come here and say what's wrong after the fact, but nobody cares when we have the difficult job of building this place.

      You make your job difficult.  It doesn't have to be.  You could just write down what happens in the show, what's reported in the books, and what's reported by the writers.  And that would be just fine.  But instead you feel some obligation to answer all the questions that have yet to be answered.  You have no such obligation.  You can choose to say nothing about the things you don't know, and only report what you know to be true.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote: ...

      1 - Information is revealed on the show.

      2 - Information is revealed in offical texts.

      3 - Information is revealed by the writers, in explicit fashion.

      The VAs were wrong, and by extension, due to your gullibility, so were you.

      And there's no shame in that.  Being wrong is fine.  My RWBY theories are wrong all the damn time.  Just be wrong, here, in the forums.  Don't be wrong on official wiki pages.  If something isn't verified, leave it to be discussed here, and simply leave the wiki entry incomplete for the time being.  It's really that simple.

      As Embellum said; things aren't that Simple.

      Often "left out of the article" Panel stuff gets added... by wave upon wave of anons, there are at least 5 times I've seen stuff like this happen... and they don't just get put in trivia, they get entire pages, placed on pages they don't belong, etc... and we just aren't privy to every "official" source, I don't have a book telling me Cinder's semblance atm, so should I delete every anon that sources it but doesn't give the exact perfect citation?

      When we do that we get blasted for only trusting regulars or bogarting edits. We try, but citations and confirmations take time, we have to allow for certain confirmation periods and expect occasional mistakes when writers intentionally hide things like this from their own staff

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    • Was the King of Vale Ozma and did he have the relics with him? Ozpin mentions his previous incarnation built the kingdoms. The WoR points out that he had his crown and sword with him. The sword is the color of vacouo, where the sword is currently.

      I would say it's obvious, but we can't add it.

      Was the Hermit in the Maidens story Ozpin? Yeah, sure, Ozpin even said it himself. But someone's gonna scream that "ozpin always lies"

      And then there's all the things we got from panels and from Monty. All the things tunrned out accurate, but there's still people screaming that it's "bs, all creators do is lie to their audience and we're idiots for believing"

      Summer is dead. Everything points to her being dead. But the word "dead" hasn't been spoken, so you're saying we should remove any mention of her being dead. Even though her family built a grave, mourned for her and talk to her grave as she were dead?

      Is Tai Ruby's dad? We are dumb for believing that. Clearly Monty was lying because he was a lier. We shouldn't be allowed to edit the wiki because we din't write that Qrow is Ruby's dad.

      And the list goes on....

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      so should I delete every anon that sources it but doesn't give the exact perfect citation?

      That would be my policy, yes.  To hell with those who would criticize it; it's the right thing to do.  Citations matter, and if you can't prove your claim, then your claim is invalid; even if it turns out to be true.

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    • EmBELLEm wrote:Was the King of Vale Ozma and did he have the relics with him? Ozpin mentions his previous incarnation built the kingdoms. The WoR points out that he had his crown and sword with him. The sword is the color of vacouo, where the sword is currently. I would say it's obvious, but we can't add it.

      Was the Hermit in the Maidens story Ozpin? Yeah, sure, Ozpin even said it himself. But someone's gonna scream that "ozpin always lies"

      And then there's all the things we got from panels and from Monty. All the things tunrned out accurate, but there's still people screaming that it's "bs, all creators do is lie to their audience and we're idiots for believing"

      Summer is dead. Everything points to her being dead. But the word "dead" hasn't been spoken, so you're saying we should remove any mention of her being dead. Even though her family built a grave, mourned for her and talk to her grave as she were dead?

      Is Tai Ruby's dad? We are dumb for believing that. Clearly Monty was lying because he was a lier. We shouldn't be allowed to edit the wiki because we din't write that Qrow is Ruby's dad.

      And the list goes on.... </div>

      The difference is that all the things you're describing actually happened on the show.  What I am talking about are things that haven't happened on the show.  If you report, for example, that Summer is dead, and then it turns out she isn't; that's not you getting it wrong.  That's just a twist.  It's different.

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    • well, summer was never said to be dead, so if she turns out to be alive we're gonna be blamed for "adding our own fanfiction to pages because we suck" (we get that a lot >.>)

      And I was actually asking your opinion. The Summer and Qrow ones are just there because we still get people mentioning that, but what do you think of The King of Vale being Ozma and havng the relics and The hermit story.

      To me the maidens reminded him if the daughters he just lost so he gave them powers. To me that seems obvious, but there are many people that have theories that the daughters reincarnated like ozma, that the entire story is a lie by ozpin.

      I think Monty, Miles and Kerry like to keep things simple. I think they made the fairytale the actual origin, but many people would disagree.

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    • ReikaTachyon wrote:

      73.Anon.52 wrote:

      so should I delete every anon that sources it but doesn't give the exact perfect citation?

      That would be my policy, yes.  To hell with those who would criticize it; it's the right thing to do.  Citations matter, and if you can't prove your claim, then your claim is invalid; even if it turns out to be true.

      and how would you handle Citations no-one has anymore? we'd need to be so retroactive by your standard, even things Monty wanted would no-longer be on here, RT makes this show with fan interaction, why whitewash those interactions and effectively lose all ability to track such references? half the fun of a Fandom wiki is minutiae of little narrative relevance, if all you're looking for is writers stuff, that's what compendiums are for, not Wiki's

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    • In Atlas WoR, Qrow says that "Mantle lives in Atlas' shadow". And then we see atlas literally casting a shadow over a smoky factoy city. I was like "haha, Mantle is literally in Atlas' shadow. You guys and your wordplay"

      But then I was called an idiot because on the map Mantle and Atlas are far apart. Even though WoR maps shouldn't really be taken as a 1:1 accurate representation, more like a general vibe.

      Or should we add that there is exactly 8 SDC mines on Remnant because in the SDC episode they show 8 snowflakes around the world when they talk about dust mines around the world.

      I really don't know what's the general consensus on this. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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    • Let's look back at the one thing we absolutely know was speculation: the Qrow's Semblance incident.

      It's important to remember that Qrow's transformation being a Semblance wasn't the belief of the wiki, nor of the fandom at large; it was the belief of the person who edited the Semblance page to add that information, namely General Esdeath. (Link to edit)

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    • Yeah, that certainly was a turning point.

      The thing is that after that the staff got restructured and the procedure for major things like that got changed a bit.

      The thing is that we didn't know magic existed and we only knew that people had a single fantastical ability called semblance that we didn't know the limits of.

      And then we saw Qroe transform into a crow. Mind you Ruby can transform into flower petals and raven can teleport across the world, weiss can summon giant creatures to help her and emerald can make anyone see anything.

      How were we supposed to know that it's not a semblance.

      If you saw a character with goat horns next season, would you believe he's a goat faunus, or would you immediately think "oh, he has an anima trait, therofore he's actually a human that is chaneling the god of darkness' mind and that's why he has horns"

      No, you'll think "faunus".

      The entire fandom was confused about what Qrow was but only we get called out for it for some reason. Like all the staff was on it or something, no, the entire staff was fighting over it. Everyone was.

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    • Bwburke94 wrote:

      It's important to remember that Qrow's transformation being a Semblance wasn't the belief of the wiki, nor of the fandom at large; it was the belief of the person who edited the Semblance page to add that information, namely General Esdeath. (Link to edit)

      Only a single staff member thought it was his semblance and took over the wiki to edit it. Everyone else on the wiki and the whole fandom in its entirety KNEW that it's a new, unexplained and never before mentioned magical ability........right...

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    • ^the problem is that each of us is human, all of us make mistakes, none of us are Omniscient... at a certain point one needs to trust that what someone said was there... no matter where one draws the lines on where "there" is We believed when MONTY(or another writer, idr exactly who explained) said there was NO Magic, that's not a VA, that's a writer, under your given standard... that mistake still happens, it still can't be removed after it is evidenced, because the statement is still as valid as saying it is invalid either way you look at the show with that statement from a writer.

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    • We've seen retcons before. "Vytal" has referred to three different things.

      But we have to trust someone for this sort of information. Miles and Kerry, and Monty before them, are reliable 99.9% of the time.

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    • Bwburke94 wrote:

      But we have to trust someone for this sort of information. Miles and Kerry, and Monty before them, are reliable 99.9% of the time.

      Absolutely.  You should trust Miles and Kerry.  I'm just saying that you should probably take what the cast says with a grain of salt.

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    • WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT


      Cool.

      That’s cool.

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    • Anyway, so can we make the changes to Cinder’s page now?

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    • Glitchee123z wrote: Anyway, so can we make the changes to Cinder’s page now?

      Based on leaked information. So I'm not actually sure.

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    • We should. It’s been confirmed. Here, i’ll do it.

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    • WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. now they tell us after we go and add her semblance to her page.

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    • also when that companion is released it is going to get busy here, what with new comers making new edits imedietly after reading it without discusion, and the edits that will be made in general. I would help with that but, I won't be geting the companion unfortinatly

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    • Done.

      Also, what the fuck is the book called again???

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    • EmBELLEm wrote:

      Scorching Caress
      You know what, I'll just leave this here. If the spoiler police gets me I'll say Glitchee did it.

      There. It's on the wiki.

      Glitchee123z wrote: We should. It’s been confirmed. Here, i’ll do it.

      Trap successful!

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    • Who says it was a trap?

      And the book's called The World of RWBY: The Official Companion.

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    • this guy 

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    • Bwburke94 wrote: Who says it was a trap?

      And the book's called The World of RWBY: The Official Companion.

      EmBELLEm wrote:

      ...If the spoiler police gets me I'll say Glitchee did it.
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    • you know the discription of her semblance looks like one on the semblance creation page that was not made with much effort, also go to the semblance page I posted something there.

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    • @Bwburke & Anon thanks.

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    • I think that those running this website deserve much more credit. Sure, sometimes incorrect information gets through, sometimes people won't be happy no matter how good proof the new information has and sometimes things are plainly retconned. But that's okay and there is no reason to start pointing fingers. Unless someone starts messing with info on purpose of course.

      Also, wasn't there time when someone of the show writers tried to add Qrow's then unknown last name in the wiki several times but it always got deleted because there wasn't any "offical proof"? Just saying this to point out how hard gathering "the real facts" can sometimes be, especially when the creators like to interact with the fans outside the show.

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    • dear lord they made a typo

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      Realized I fucked up
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    • What typo?

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    • "Cinder's Semblances" should not have been pluralized.

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    • Dear lord now I'm seeing people thinking Cinder has multiple semblances because of the typo!

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    • FUCK

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    • Except that we know it's a typo because it's followed by 'allows'.  If it were intended to be plural, it would have been followed by 'allow'.

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    • Counter argument by these dumb people. "Well, mabye allows is the typo? Mybe its "Cinder's semblances allow", you know? I's in the book. We know Marcus could hold more than one semblance. Cinder is a maiden and has magic, maybe that gives her a second sembance.."

      ....so yeah...

      I've seen dumb comments in my time with this fandom. I am unphased.

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    • I'll allows it... me detects the Semblances of exasperated sarcasm.

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    • EmBELLEm wrote:
      Well, mabye allows is the typo

      Haha.  Touche.

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    • Keep in mind Marcus's own Semblance isn't well defined at the moment.

      Mercury says Marcus "stole [Mercury's Semblance] with his", but that alone doesn't mean Marcus can hold multiple Semblances at once. Then again, dumbass argument.

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    • Bwburke94 wrote: Keep in mind Marcus's own Semblance isn't well defined at the moment.

      Mercury says Marcus "stole [Mercury's Semblance] with his", but that alone doesn't mean Marcus can hold multiple Semblances at once. Then again, dumbass argument.

      True, for all we know his semblance is "got your nose" and just holds it like the Reaper death seal holds souls in Naruto... where he can't really use them, but can release them.

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    • This seems like a good enough place to mention this. I’ll probably do what I did for After the Fall, and make a public doc with all the information for the World of RWBY book.

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    • Thank you for posting this!

      EmBELLEm wrote:
      Scorching Caress
      You know what, I'll just leave this here. If the spoiler police gets me I'll say Glitchee did it.

      There. It's on the wiki.

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