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  • So the BMBLB be fandom on Tumblr is about to go haywire. The reason being is that Blake apparently kissed Sun on the cheek in the preview of the first episode of Vol 6 at NYCC today, and also said, "I hope this isn't the last time we see each other."



    Get your popcorn!

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    • I've heard several different reports about what exactly was said during the preview.

      If that is the line, then this is going to be a.... "fun" season for the fandom.

      By which I mean the whole thing is going to burst into flames and at least one person is going to start harassing CRWBY about it. Probably a large group, actually.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I've heard several different reports about what exactly was said during the preview.

      If that is the line, then this is going to be a.... "fun" season for the fandom.

      By which I mean the whole thing is going to burst into flames and at least one person is going to start harassing CRWBY about it. Probably a large group, actually.

      Basically a repeat of the Voltron fandom incident? I hope not.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I've heard several different reports about what exactly was said during the preview.

      If that is the line, then this is going to be a.... "fun" season for the fandom.

      By which I mean the whole thing is going to burst into flames and at least one person is going to start harassing CRWBY about it. Probably a large group, actually.

      I'm getting my bunker ready.



      Please no spoilers for Voltron. I'm waiting for my dad to get caught up. I've seen up though season 5.

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    • I believe Maroon is referring to the time somebody tried to blackmail the Voltron crew to force the Keith x Lance ship to be canon.

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    • Dear god.


      NOT THE BEES

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I believe Maroon is referring to the time somebody tried to blackmail the Voltron crew to force the Keith x Lance ship to be canon.

      The F*CK!?

      I'm glad I've never visited that fandom because WTF!? Admittedly we have our own nuts and every fandom has a bad element eventually, but seriously what the heck!?

      How could they even blackmail them?

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    • Somebody who went on a tour of the studio took pictures they weren't supposed to and posted them online. When the team requested that they be deleted globally, one asshole refused to and attempted to blackmail/hold the team hostage by not deleting them unless they got their way.

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    • It's not their show, they don't get to threaten or blackmail to make it happen the way they want. A-holes.



      Still, this is less infuriating than politics right now.

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    • The fans are the worst part of almost any show.

      To quote Sword Art Online Abridged:

      "Now that I've captured your ears as well as your spines, I'd like to take a moment to tell you something every content creator has always wanted to say to their fans. FUCK ALL Y'ALL."

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    • We can be a demanding, ungrateful lot.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I've heard several different reports about what exactly was said during the preview.

      If that is the line, then this is going to be a.... "fun" season for the fandom.

      By which I mean the whole thing is going to burst into flames and at least one person is going to start harassing CRWBY about it. Probably a large group, actually.

      I'm getting my bunker ready.


      Please no spoilers for Voltron. I'm waiting for my dad to get caught up. I've seen up though season 5.

      I haven't gotten into Voltron yet, I want to, but I have heard A LOT about it's shipping fandom. Apparently, they don't screw around. Plus, what the other guy said about the blackmail thing.



      But yeah, get your BubbleShields (Halo anyone?), and your guns because the shipping war is gonna get real this volume.

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    • I think Imma need to call in all KANSEN from Azur Lane to help us

      .... even the yanderes

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    • Man,as a Blacksun shipper I should be happy abt this but i cant help but think of the backlash well get cus our ships the one the crews focusing on making into canon instead of hecking BMBLB

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    • well, if BMBLB was canon, war would happen either way

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    • Hell, I'm just glad to see romantic subplots in the show again. If harmless things set people off, good. The CRWBY has gotten thicker skin and quite the spine after hearing so much shit since Monty passed and Shane wrote the letter that I'm sure nothing besides legitimate critique gets their attention. And the romantic subplots can lead the way for some good ol' character development.

      (I didn't mean to stir anything up with the hot take. I just mean that it would be both healthy for the show and if diehard shippers of the fandom don't like it, that's nobody else's problem. Yeah I mean it makes the community look bad but the people who are more mature understand they can brush it off)

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    • I am happy for Sun.

      If the BMLB hardcore fandom go haywire then so be it, fandoms are so easy to contrariate or anger so it doesn't make a big difference.

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    • i take it that you're gonna enjoy the shitstorm? If so, mind if i share popcorn?

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    • Bajarias.josef wrote:
      i take it that you're gonna enjoy the shitstorm? If so, mind if i share popcorn?

      Sure, why not? 

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    • Who cares. Honestly.

      Just ignore it, Blake give Sun a friendly kiss on the cheek and Sun says, she doesn't need him anymore.

      What a way to both totally canonize a ship and destroy another. I say with heavy 'blatantly' apathetic sarcasm.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      Who cares. Honestly.

      Just ignore it, Blake give Sun a friendly kiss on the cheek and Sun says, she doesn't need him anymore.

      What a way to both totally canonize a ship and destroy another. I say with heavy 'blatantly' apathetic sarcasm.

      I think one reason it'll shake up hardcore Bumbleby shippers so badly is because they strongly blind themselves to any possibility that Blake and Sun could end up together instead of Blake and Yang, and a kiss is harder to ignore than a blush.

      Though, I will say that it'll probably take a kiss on the lips instead of the cheek to truly break the denial. But even if this is meant to be a hint to romance, it's too early for Blake to kiss him on the lips and would be out of character. I'd imagine Blake would rather take things slow and wait to really dive into a relationship with anyone until a little later so she can focus on the bad guys and such.

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    • I've heard that the context of the kiss is that Sun is staying behind in Mistral with his team while the rest go to Atlas. The kiss was a sort of goodbye and "Well I'm not going to ignore that you and I had something going on, but I'm not going to make it last longer" sort of thing. That is, of course, up until Sun shows back up in the plot, which is very likely. And I also heard that Ilia is staying back with Blake's parents (awkward) so that leaves Blake near only one person who potentially likes her.

      It's about context. 

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    • Also,i forgot to mention, about the title of this post Its not just on tumblr but on all social media platforms as a whole. wanna bet that when the episode drops theres gonna be a handful of bumblebee shippers telling blacksun shippers/shippers of any other blake x character pairing along with the cast and crew behind rwby to kill themselves? cus im sensing a pattern here. theres always this one ship in fandoms that have the worst supporters. for instance: Klance from VLD, Amedot from SU and of course Bumblebee from RWBY.

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    • I don't believe there's been that level of vitriol in the RWBY fandom, (correct me if I'm wrong) but I have seen people on Tumblr complaining at the very beginning of V4 that there was still no LGBT representation present as if it were a capital sin.

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    • Arryn was massively attacked by fans after the song BMBLB came out.

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    • is it just me, or is it the pairings with the most rabid of fans tend to be the LGBT ones?

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    • Nope. It's pretty much just a fact.

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    • same goes for the Voltron crew and as for the SU fandom they harrassed one of the writers of the show to the point where they decided to delete all of their social media and quit their job instead just cus the show wanted to focus more on Lapis and Peridots relationship than Peridots one episode crush on Amethyst.

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    • Vad Fan?! (WTF)

      I swear ......... was it really worth it for them?

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    • They have this "they wouldnt have reacted that badly if what we said wasnt the truth" and more often than not a "its not our fault our opinions facts were right. theyre handling their shows wrong smh." kind of mentality. Meanwhile the current shippers that are also taking the blame are the Lance x Allura (im not quite sure since i dont watch the show but ive seen enough of it floating around online to know that theres this one ship wjere they both mutually like each other), BlackSun and Lapidot shippers respectively despite none of us having attacked the Bumblebee Klance and Amedot shippers before. Were just visibly irritated at times. Like how they shove theor toxoc bashing into our ship tags on tunblr.

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    • Gods, that sucks, I'm kinda glad I'm not as hot headed as before.

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    • RaijinRising wrote:
      I've heard that the context of the kiss is that Sun is staying behind in Mistral with his team while the rest go to Atlas. The kiss was a sort of goodbye and "Well I'm not going to ignore that you and I had something going on, but I'm not going to make it last longer" sort of thing. That is, of course, up until Sun shows back up in the plot, which is very likely. And I also heard that Ilia is staying back with Blake's parents (awkward) so that leaves Blake near only one person who potentially likes her.

      It's about context. 

      However, I've heard that Blake basically says that she hopes this isn't the last time they'll see each other.

      Which implies slight romance there, with Blake being hesitant to go further because she doesn't know if they'll ever see each other again but hopes they will.

      We'll have to wait until the episode comes out to find out for sure what the true context is. I feel like that "but I'm not going to make it last longer" part conflicts with what I heard about her hoping they'll see each other again, so I can't help but wonder if the report you're relaying could be painted by a hopeful Bumbleby shipper.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      RaijinRising wrote:
      I've heard that the context of the kiss is that Sun is staying behind in Mistral with his team while the rest go to Atlas. The kiss was a sort of goodbye and "Well I'm not going to ignore that you and I had something going on, but I'm not going to make it last longer" sort of thing. That is, of course, up until Sun shows back up in the plot, which is very likely. And I also heard that Ilia is staying back with Blake's parents (awkward) so that leaves Blake near only one person who potentially likes her.

      It's about context. 

      However, I've heard that Blake basically says that she hopes this isn't the last time they'll see each other.

      Which implies slight romance there, with Blake being hesitant to go further because she doesn't know if they'll ever see each other again but hopes they will.

      We'll have to wait until the episode comes out to find out for sure what the true context is. I feel like that "but I'm not going to make it last longer" part conflicts with what I heard about her hoping they'll see each other again, so I can't help but wonder if the report you're relaying could be painted by a hopeful Bumbleby shipper.

      It would certainely have been realistically too soon for a Blake and Sun romance. But I guess that only the very hardcore Anti-Blacksun will deny the possibility of Blake returning Sun's feelings now.

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    • Blake having feelings for Sun is hardly missable unless you are incredibly blind...of course, subtext says yang might have feelings, who knows.

      I honestly couldn't care less in the end who ends up with who, and why even bother with fans likes that?

      If we're going to talk about the Voltron fandom, they have just up and started ignoring anything to do with Klance, or their shippers, they don't give them attention, they stopped poking the hornet's nest so why keep doing it for this series?

      Also as much as people like to demonize Bumbleby shippers it's not like the rest of the fandom is better at times, you know like how certain people said it was perfectly fine to send Miles and Kerry death threats in the Wiki Discord.

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    • VerBeeker wrote: Blake having feelings for Sun is hardly missable unless you are incredibly blind...of course, subtext says yang might have feelings, who knows.

      I honestly couldn't care less in the end who ends up with who, and why even bother with fans likes that?

      If we're going to talk about the Voltron fandom, they have just up and started ignoring anything to do with Klance, or their shippers, they don't give them attention, they stopped poking the hornet's nest so why keep doing it for this series?

      Also as much as people like to demonize Bumbleby shippers it's not like the rest of the fandom is better at times, you know like how certain people said it was perfectly fine to send Miles and Kerry death threats in the Wiki Discord.

      Some people are however denying any sign of Blake having feelings for Sun.

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    • @Chish, the "but I'm not going to make it last longer" meant "But I'm not going to make it last longer at this moment. Let's keep what we've got going on in the back of our minds for later, should we meet again."

      Apologies. I should have had that in the initial post. At least I can clarify now tho.

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    • RaijinRising wrote:
      @Chish, the "but I'm not going to make it last longer" meant "But I'm not going to make it last longer at this moment. Let's keep what we've got going on in the back of our minds for later, should we meet again."

      Apologies. I should have had that in the initial post. At least I can clarify now tho.

      Ah, so basically "Let's put this on pause for now and look into it if and when we see each other again."

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    • personally its not that i prefer blacksun over bmblb, well actually i do, but i just dont get bmblb, i just dont see the feelings yang apparently has for blake, i've watched 1 through 5 mulitple times now and every scene where yang gets emotional about blake is easily explained as yang dealing with her abandonment issues, lets count them, raven summer blake, possibly ruby if you want to, so thats atleast 3 women who left yang, 2 of them involuntarily, i honestly think thats what it is, just yang trying to keep everyone close to her, because of her issues with raven and less so with summer.

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    • The shipping community is far and away the absolute worst part of this fandom. The sheer toxicity and disgusting sense of entitlement rivals that of Steven Universe on its worst days.

      Anyone who pays attention to it does a disservice to themselves and the franchise as a whole.

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    • Can be hard to ignore when they turn up screeching into the aether about shit.

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    • Ignoring things is the easiest thing in the world actually. It's the information equivalent of not doing things.

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    • But after stumbling across the fith rosewick post, you can start to see red, and become eager to find some kind of release for you anger.



      I don't go looking for crazy shippers, but avoiding them is not a practical option, and sometimes it's not up to me.

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    • Black Sun sucks and Bumblebee is trash.

      Solar Flare though. Now that's a cool ship I can get behind.

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    • All ships are trash, including the canon ones.

      And if art is all it takes to make you angry, you're the asshole, not them.

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    • It's art supporting a pedophilic relationship between a hero and a villain. The fact that people make it is what makes me want to break something.

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    • It is a fucking crackship from a show whose highest moments barely break mediocre. Grow the fuck up.

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    • Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're serious. Also a decent person would n't share this junk.

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    • Still better than Rose Garden.

      12~ year difference > 1K+ year difference

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    • While Rosewick fanart as well as other weird shipping fanart dont really agitate me, you have to admit theyre pretty disturbing to look at. And even if you come across it unintentionally. Still pretty creepy.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Black Sun sucks and Bumblebee is trash.

      Solar Flare though. Now that's a cool ship I can get behind.

      Solar Flare? Sun(ny) x Yang(-o)?

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    • Gemmaniac wrote:
      While Rosewick fanart as well as other weird shipping fanart dont really agitate me, you have to admit theyre pretty disturbing to look at. And even if you come across it unintentionally. Still pretty creepy.

      Especially their kids.

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    • Gemmaniac wrote:
      While Rosewick fanart as well as other weird shipping fanart dont really agitate me, you have to admit theyre pretty disturbing to look at. And even if you come across it unintentionally. Still pretty creepy.

      Not really. Because, you know, they're fictional characters and one of them is dead. And the other still hasn't actually become a character, so who really gives a shit?

      The only artist in the fandom I out and out don't like in the RWBY fandom is Dish, and that's because he's an overrated shitpile with an amputee fetish who will never learn how to draw boobs and whose best work is the most generic shit possible or composed of plagiarized designs.

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    • Don't forget the HEELS! ARK! THE HEELS!

      AND THE EDGE!!!

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    • Ark being ark..... Or in a worse mood

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    • Bajarias.josef wrote:
      Ark being ark..... Or in a worse mood

      Oh, what a pithy response. Use personal feelings to attempt to disregard an actual point. Real non-childish shit right there.

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    • Seriously, you sound like you've been through shit today.

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    • Let's try to keep things civil, folks. At this rate we'll burn ourselved down before the rabid shippers even get here.

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    • jawohl

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Let's try to keep things civil, folks. At this rate we'll burn ourselved down before the rabid shippers even get here.

      They're not going to come because this place has earned a reputation for not being welcoming to that side of the community. You're anticipating a threat that doesn't exist, all we're going to get is the same half dozen shitheads we always get and two or three new anons.

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    • well, there IS the possibility that someone may start parading the ship around the wiki at times. Though the anon part is ...... hmmm, do they still need to sign up to post comments, Phantom?

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    • The only person I see consistently bitching about shipping is Swagger because he doesn't understand the concept of heteronormativity affecting the perception of social interactions.

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    • Oh, he does that? (honest) I must have been less frequent around these places

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    • Bajarias.josef wrote: well, there IS the possibility that someone may start parading the ship around the wiki at times. Though the anon part is ...... hmmm, do they still need to sign up to post comments, Phantom?

      Wikis dont tend to attract rabid shippers as far as I know. While this wiki is more prone to attracting hardheaded people who have a thing for defending fictional villains for 8 momths straight.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:

      The only artist in the fandom I out and out don't like in the RWBY fandom is Dish, and that's because he's an overrated shitpile with an amputee fetish who will never learn how to draw boobs and whose best work is the most generic shit possible or composed of plagiarized designs.

      It's for things like that that people don't like you, Ark. You hate and complain just for the sake of hating and complaining. It's not even merely accentuating the negative, you're just negative for the sake of being negative.

      Dish is a great artist. Best? Subjective. Overrated? No. Shitpile? Only in the eyes of haters. His art is good, and in fact he takes an awfully high amount of attention to detail sometimes, just because the designs have issues ranging from small to painful it doesn't mean his art is on the level of some 20-minute flurry of lines made in Microsoft Paint.

      And what's with the "amputee fetish" shit? Literally only Ruby has augmented legs in his RWBY 3.0. The rest do not have any missing/replaced limbs. So far, that's Neo, Jaune, Pyrrha, that Izetta kid, Nora, Ren (Dish clarified that he was using leg armor) Weiss, Winter, Blake, Penny, Yang (her arm doesn't count, that's canon), Ilia and Sun.

      In other words, 1 character, out of 14, got her legs ripped off and replaced with cyborg ones. So tell me, what makes you think he has an "amputee fetish"?

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    • I gotta agree with SYUTK here. In my entire stay in this wiki ive witnessed how SYUTK can be harsh most if not all of the time but he actually has a point in his arguments. As for Arkantos, it only feels as if youre channeling your hatred towards others hoping that they will agree with you and once they dont you only end up fuming up even more and thats honestly sad? Hate me/call me out all you want or whatever but this is just my opinion on things.

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    • I'd like to add something about  Ark's personality .....but i think the backlash would be too much

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      The only person I see consistently bitching about shipping is Swagger because he doesn't understand the concept of heteronormativity affecting the perception of social interactions.

      i only bitch about it cause i see it fucking everywhere rwby related, and i had to look up what heteronormativity means, and i dont understand how it applies to my comment.

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    • Indeed, anger and hate for the sake of anger and hate is really not appreciated nor approved of anywhere (except maybe 4Chan?), so it would be best to take a calmer and less aggressive approach to things.


      Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      Arkantos95 wrote:
      The only person I see consistently bitching about shipping is Swagger because he doesn't understand the concept of heteronormativity affecting the perception of social interactions.
      i only bitch about it cause i see it fucking everywhere rwby related, and i had to look up what heteronormativity means, and i dont understand how it applies to my comment.

      They call the phenomenon "straight goggles" (or "str8 goggles"). As in "They can't see the gay through their straight-tinted goggles, even when it's right in front of them." I'm not saying Yang being in love with Blake is right in front of us, considering that, if it is a thing, it's still only hinted at. But basically, if you're wearing "straight goggles", you're allowing those goggles to paint everything you see in a heterosexual light.

      It doesn't just apply to fictional couples, either. There are actually people who look at a real life gay couple and just think they're really, really, really close friends.

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    • i dont believe it until i see it, i didnt believe qrow could turn into a crow until it happened, i wont believe yang is gay or bi until i see it or hear her say it, its just a little skepticism on my part, and i've said it before, i dont care if a character or a reallife person is lgbt, it does not bother me,  but in regards to fiction, it has to be done properly or else it gets unjustified negativity thrown at it, korra and asami jump to mind from the legend of korra, i didnt care, but i did think it could have been better developed.

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    • If they still make Bumblebee canon, (for which I hope won’t happen) PLEASE let it happen naturally, and not just for the foaming mad Bumblebee shipper wasps.

      Edit: @Arkantos


      Oh, they’ll come. It’s only a matter of time until the Wasps come.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      i dont believe it until i see it, i didnt believe qrow could turn into a crow until it happened, i wont believe yang is gay or bi until i see it or hear her say it, its just a little skepticism on my part, and i've said it before, i dont care if a character or a reallife person is lgbt, it does not bother me,  but in regards to fiction, it has to be done properly or else it gets unjustified negativity thrown at it, korra and asami jump to mind from the legend of korra, i didnt care, but i did think it could have been better developed.

      Indeed, they need to put in their best effort to do it well, if they're going to go the "Yang is in love with/has a crush on Blake" route. As of right now, I only see it in an "It's possible" light. I'm not gonna go around saying "She's totally in love."

      As far as Korrasami is concerned... I don't know how true it is, but it's been speculated that they were super on the downlow with that because they didn't want Legend of Korra to get banned in certain countries before it finished. Thus, they stuck with having Korra mainly just write to Asami, the two of them suddenly be even closer than usual, Korra make a bi-curious joke, Korra blush when Asami compliments her hair, and end it off with them holding hands.

      That tends to be the way things go with shows on kids/family networks. There was a Disney Channel show called Good Luck Charlie that waited until its very last season to have an episode about a little kid who has two moms because "What're you gonna do? Cancel us?" I think Steven Universe gets away with it on the technicality that the gems are aliens that don't have an actual sex.

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    • Nah Russia gives Ruby a mustache...not even fucking joking.

      And in the comics, Korra and Asami have been openly romantic, and Aang's daughter declares that she is only attracted to Women.

      I mean Sun and Yang have had similar interactions with Blake, which both groups of shippers seem to only consider romantic...for one or the other while the other person is just being friendly.

      It's oddly ridiculous.

      And I know this goes back a bit, but sure Dish might be a very talented artist, which they are, but they can't write to save their life.

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    • I don’t even know who Dish is. I’m guessing he draws characters with prosthetics?

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    • I mean...one, and it's more that he likes drawing really graphic and gorey drawings of the RWBY characters at times.

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    • So he has an affinity for the darkness.


      Maaaaaybe i’ll go check him out, sometime.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      1. Nah Russia gives Ruby a mustache...not even fucking joking.

      2. And in the comics, Korra and Asami have been openly romantic, and Aang's daughter declares that she is only attracted to Women.

      1. I've heard about that, and I've heard that that's one of the reasons they had Ruby be the one in a dress at the wedding. Regardless of the reason behind it, I thought it was kind of a cute surprise that they subverted the expectation of which one would wear a dress and which would wear a suit. Plus, she just looked adorable in that dress.

      2. Do they sell the comics in LGBT-banning countries? It seems to be seen as a bigger deal for TV networks and movies than for comics and books.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      I mean...one, and it's more that he likes drawing really graphic and gorey drawings of the RWBY characters at times.

      Actually, aside from the pic where the giant worm thing chops Ruby's legs off, his "dark stuff" is not really graphic or gorey enough to be worth making a big deal about.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      As far as Korrasami is concerned... I don't know how true it is, but it's been speculated that they were super on the downlow with that because they didn't want Legend of Korra to get banned in certain countries before it finished. Thus, they stuck with having Korra mainly just write to Asami, the two of them suddenly be even closer than usual, Korra make a bi-curious joke,

      Actually she didn't. That was an edit somebody did to the subtitles after the fact to mess with people.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:

      Actually she didn't. That was an edit somebody did to the subtitles after the fact to mess with people.

      Really? I couldn't remember exactly what was said in the scene, and you can't find that clip anywhere, for some reason. 😕

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    • IIRC it was "I'll take on of each" or something. It was in the very first episode of Korra.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      VerBeeker wrote:
      I mean...one, and it's more that he likes drawing really graphic and gorey drawings of the RWBY characters at times.

      Actually, aside from the pic where the giant worm thing chops Ruby's legs off, his "dark stuff" is not really graphic or gorey enough to be worth making a big deal about.

      I’m curious.

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    • Dish usually puts a lot of effort into his art, but that effort isn't always well directed. I'd consider his deviantart gallery to be a mostly well made mixed bag. Some pieces are junk, but high quality junk.

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    • Just came back from seeing Dish’s art.


      I like. Shame on you, Arkantos.

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    • <divclass="quote">ChishioKunrin wrote:<divclass="quote">VerBeeker wrote:
      1. Nah Russia gives Ruby a mustache...not even fucking joking.

      2. And in the comics, Korra and Asami have been openly romantic, and Aang's daughter declares that she is only attracted to Women. </div>

      1. I've heard about that, and I've heard that that's one of the reasons they had Ruby be the one in a dress at the wedding. Regardless of the reason behind it, I thought it was kind of a cute surprise that they subverted the expectation of which one would wear a dress and which would wear a suit. Plus, she just looked adorable in that dress.

      2. Do they sell the comics in LGBT-banning countries? It seems to be seen as a bigger deal for TV networks and movies than for comics and books. </div> I loved the wedding, the opening song was amazing...and then everything that happened in the following episode blew my mind. I love Blue Diamond so much, she was adorable with Steven. White Diamond terrifies me though...she is the first Gem that's felt truly alien and she gives off this aura of Fey nature too her.

      And not really sure...I only read comics, Marvel's stuff has been pretty good again since they got past the HYDRA Captain America thing.

      And eh too each their own I don't like Dish's art for a few reasons mainly the clear Shonenification of the characters...which I find irritating, and the "incest" shit that's going on between Arc and his adopted "sister".

      @Chi I borked it.

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      VerBeeker wrote:
      I mean...one, and it's more that he likes drawing really graphic and gorey drawings of the RWBY characters at times.
      Actually, aside from the pic where the giant worm thing chops Ruby's legs off, his "dark stuff" is not really graphic or gorey enough to be worth making a big deal about.

      I mean Ruby getting her organs ripped out by beowolves was a but much for my taste...

      My main gripe with Dish is his piss poor writing attemtps.

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    • Or zombie Ruby eating Weiss, Neo capturing Weiss and impersonating her, Ren and Nora impaled, there's a lot Dish does that I don't agree with, but it does tend to to be well drawn.

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    • Don’t forget about Tyrian impaling Qrow and capturing Ruby, Nora being eaten by Ol’ Nuck, etc. I haven’t seen the first two you mentioned, but imma check it out.

      @VerBeeker I also saw a photo of Yang groping Ruby, which adds to the incest. I didn’t see the Jaune x Izetta, tho.


      Update 1: Weiss photo found.

      Update 1-2: Remembered Izetta’s name.

      Update 2: Found zombie photo.

      Update 3: Read some of his work. Mostly grammar mistakes.

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    • .....

      I'm not looking at that 

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    • Well I did.

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    • it's in the fanfic he wrote, Izette has "feelings she shouldn't have for her brother" and apparently she reads incest porn online...so thanks for butchering a show with just about par writing anyway Dish.

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    • Uh, are we way off topic here?

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    • That's news to me. Good thing I already shared his good stuff, now to ingnore him again.



      So what's new Baja? Besides, this thread was made to let us know to ready our bunkers for the hive's impending freakout.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:

      1) I mean Ruby getting her organs ripped out by beowolves was a but much for my taste...

      2) My main gripe with Dish is his piss poor writing attemtps.

      1) I don't remember that one. Though it could be worse, you know? She could've been defeated by Goblins.

      2) ....Yeah, his writing is very, very bad.

      Sentry 616 wrote:
      Or zombie Ruby eating Weiss, Neo capturing Weiss and impersonating her, Ren and Nora impaled, there's a lot Dish does that I don't agree with, but it does tend to to be well drawn.

      1) How was his "Neo impersonating Weiss" pic graphic or gorey? Have you actually seen it?

      2) "Ren and Nora impaled", you mean this one? Because that one has no gore at all, merely death, and you can barely even see the blood. Hell, the Red Trailer alone has more gore than that drawing.

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    • I was filing those under, "stuff I don't agree with."

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    • @SYUTK


      There’s blood; you can clearly see it.


      Anywaygettingbackontopic, does this mean Blacksun will be canon after all?

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    • Well they've done the build-up, so it probably will be. I hope everyone is ready for the incorherent screaming.

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    • I’m honestly expecting a horde of Wasps. To storm the wiki.

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    • I'll be here, with facts, reason and my Pyrocitors (and other lombax-approved flametthrowers and asssociated incendiary devices).

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      I'll be here, with facts, reason and my Pyrocitors (and other lombax-approved flametthrowers and asssociated incendiary devices).

      Just be sure to keep an appropriate fire extinguisher on hand to prevent flame wars.

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      Anywaygettingbackontopic, does this mean Blacksun will be canon after all?

      i mean, it only makes sense

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Sentry 616 wrote:
      I'll be here, with facts, reason and my Pyrocitors (and other lombax-approved flametthrowers and asssociated incendiary devices).
      Just be sure to keep an appropriate fire extinguisher on hand to prevent flame wars.

      I'll do my best to behave.


      I'll also clear some fire breaks just to be sure.

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    • I'll be as passive as possible

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    • I’ll try to ignore them.

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    • (Havent read most of the replies above so ill just add my two cents in regarding the Bmblb ship) Unlike the people denying the obvious fact that Yang has feelings for Blak,I can actually acknowledge that as a Blacksun shipper its there no doubt. But thats it ,an unrequited crush thatll only leave her to her own misery as Blake and Sun grow a closer bond as the series progress. And even if the series makes Bmblb canon, i hate how its most probable that CRWBY will only do it since its either a) theyre gonna lose their ratings even more than before since majority of the fandoms BMblb shippers or b) theyre just afraid of the harrassment from the wasps thatll certainly follow.

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    • Everytime I see people saying "it's obvious that Yang has feelings for Blake!", I cannot do anything but cringe, at best. Because none of those "hints" are obvious, or even subtle. They see it only because they have Gay Googles sticked to their face and refuse to take it off.

      With Sun, it's perfectly obvious. And even with Ilia, even when I still feel every one of her interactions with Blake prior to the reveal comes off more as close friendship than actual romantic interest, said interactions show better hints than pretty much every interaction between Blake and Yang does, if they do at all.

      In fact, even if I put on Gay Googles myself and said that Yang does have feelings for Blake, I'm 100% sure that their relationship took a dive after Blake ran away without telling her anything when Yang needed her the most, even though she knew about Yang's abandonment issues. In other words, pretty sure those feelings would be mostly if not entirely gone.

      Unless Yang really did forgive Blake for all of that just because Weiss told her to, nevermind how it was part of what made Yang fall into a depression for months. That scene still irritates me for that....for someone like Yang, what Blake did was not and should not be something one can simply dismiss and forgive just like that.

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    • But with the magic of Miles and Kerry, it can.

      And probably will.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Everytime I see people saying "it's obvious that Yang has feelings for Blake!", I cannot do anything but cringe, at best. Because none of those "hints" are obvious, or even subtle. They see it only because they have Gay Googles sticked to their face and refuse to take it off.

      With Sun, it's perfectly obvious. And even with Ilia, even when I still feel every one of her interactions with Blake prior to the reveal comes off more as close friendship than actual romantic interest, said interactions show better hints than pretty much every interaction between Blake and Yang does, if they do at all.

      In fact, even if I put on Gay Googles myself and said that Yang does have feelings for Blake, I'm 100% sure that their relationship took a dive after Blake ran away without telling her anything when Yang needed her the most, even though she knew about Yang's abandonment issues. In other words, pretty sure those feelings would be mostly if not entirely gone.

      Unless Yang really did forgive Blake for all of that just because Weiss told her to, nevermind how it was part of what made Yang fall into a depression for months. That scene still irritates me for that....for someone like Yang, what Blake did was not and should not be something one can simply dismiss and forgive just like that.

      Finally .... someone with the exact same thoughts as me.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      1. Everytime I see people saying "it's obvious that Yang has feelings for Blake!", I cannot do anything but cringe, at best. Because none of those "hints" are obvious, or even subtle. They see it only because they have Gay Googles sticked to their face and refuse to take it off.

      2. With Sun, it's perfectly obvious.

      3. And even with Ilia, even when I still feel every one of her interactions with Blake prior to the reveal comes off more as close friendship than actual romantic interest, said interactions show better hints than pretty much every interaction between Blake and Yang does, if they do at all.

      4. Unless Yang really did forgive Blake for all of that just because Weiss told her to, nevermind how it was part of what made Yang fall into a depression for months.

      5. That scene still irritates me for that....for someone like Yang, what Blake did was not and should not be something one can simply dismiss and forgive just like that.

      1. Indeed, it's so far on the downlow that you can't even really notice, and the only reason the shippers noticed is because they've been shipping it since before Volume 1 Episode 1 even came out. The songs do a better job of hinting at it (setting aside Bmblb, which screams it).

      ..... Though, to be honest, Jeff's songs do a better job of telling us things than a lot of Miles and Kerry's writing, so... eh...

      2. Yeah, lmao, it's been obvious since Volume fricking 1, not including the wink he did when they first met. Either he was trying really hard to make a new friend or he had crush at first sight.

      3. I'll be honest, before the reveal, I actually had tinglings of "Does Ilia love Blake?" but ignored them, going "Nah, probably not."

      4. Well... considering Miles and Kerry tell Jeff enough about the story, including from future Volumes, for him to be able to write songs about the show, he has more insight on the show than we do, and... All That Matters really seems to say that, yes, Yang does forgive Blake. However, it also seems to say that Yang knows it might be a mistake to forgive her.

      "Never thought that you would stay forever
      Never asked you to commit your life
      But I can tell you in my heart I never
      Thought you'd up and leave me
      Without a trace to lead me
      And now you're standing here 
      With that look in your eyes
      The look that makes me hope I'll just believe your lies"

      Basically, Yang never thought Blake would stay forever, but she also didn't think Blake would abandon them again. Now that Blake is actually standing right in front of her, just looking at her makes Yang feel like she really wants to believe in Blake, even if Blake just tells her lies. Honestly, love does make people become absolute idiots like that...

      "Thought that I could pull you from the shadows
      Maybe help you find your wings and fly
      But you're a path the longer that I travel
      The more I'm just defeated
      My past mistakes repeated
      I'll risk it once again to have you near my side
      Another chance to let you just destroy my pride"

      ^ Again, "I forgive you, but I also recognize that doing so is probably a huge mistake." She recognizes that, going down this path, she might get abandoned again and again, she might make the same mistake over and over, but for some stupid reason, she'll risk that just to have Blake there with her again. She knows that she's giving Blake another chance to just screw her over and hurt her.

      So, yeah, if Jeff's insight on things in the show that we don't know about yet had an influence on this song, that might be what's going on.

      Which brings me to...

      5. Hell yeah, Yang, you need to respect yourself more than that and hold Blake accountable! At the very least, she should've told Weiss why she was leaving and asked Weiss to tell Ruby and Yang when they woke up!

      Honestly, that would've been the better writing choice too! Yang still would've had her angst because they could've had Weiss get taken back to Atlas before she got the chance to tell Yang!

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    • My god, yes. PLEASE let Yang still be mad at Blake. Hell, i’d take even resentment or annoyance at this point.

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    • she probably is, that thing at the end of season 5 was just i think relief at the fighting and stuff being done and them all being safe back together.

      edit. and if she isnt, well thats just bullsh*t.

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    • Hopefully it was.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      she probably is, that thing at the end of season 5 was just i think relief at the fighting and stuff being done and them all being safe back together.

      edit. and if she isnt, well thats just bullsh*t.

      If she isn't, then it's love (whatever kind) making her stupid, which does happen.

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    • if its love i hope its the same kind of love she feels for ruby, merely sisterly, like what blake feels towards ruby weiss and yang according to season 4 ep 11.

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    • I want to see your reaction if they ever do kiss...I imagine it will be fun to watch.

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    • If it's a passionate, romantic kiss out of nowhere, I'd facedesk on my lockdown button.

      We would never hear the end of it.

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    • if its romantic passionate out of nowhere, f*ck this show and its f*cking forced beyond belief representation bullsh*t.

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    • I’m expecting the kiss-out-of nowhere with Whiterose.

      Not like I want it to be canon


      Or anything.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      if its romantic passionate out of nowhere, f*ck this show and its f*cking forced beyond belief representation bullsh*t.

      Kiddo, you know you can say fuck here, right?

      Also, you want to talk forced, let's talk about Arkos and the introduction of Black Sun. Because holy shit was that written terribly.

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    • oh arkos was forced as hell, dont get me wrong on that, but its borderline shakespearean compared to bmblb which is star wars prequel lvl, and black sun, its mainly the lack of development thats the big issue there, mainy on blake's part, and i censor myself just for the f*ck of it, and please dont use kiddo as a way to talk to someone, you dont know how old the other person is just because of self imposed censorship.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:
      and black sun, its mainly the lack of development thats the big issue there, mainy on blake's part,

      What lack of development, and especially what "mainly on Blake's part", are you talking about? A good chunk of her development is tied to Black Sun, and literally her entire development in Volume 4 is because of Black Sun.

      The real problem with Black Sun is that it's Sun's only reason for existing. He has almost no character outside Black Sun, he's nothing but a satelite.

      and please dont use kiddo as a way to talk to someone, you dont know how old the other person is just because of self imposed censorship.

      You know, getting that mad just for being called kid(do) only makes the other guy more likely to think you really are one.

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    • regarding black sun, your right, i forgot a lot of blake is tied to sun, thanks for reminding me, and i didnt get mad at all about his use of the word kiddo, i dont know where you got that from.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: …

      The real problem with Black Sun is that it's Sun's only reason for existing. He has almost no character outside Black Sun, he's nothing but a satelite.

      … You know, getting that mad just for being called kid(do) only makes the other guy more likely to think you really are one.


      1. he has some character... Abs + comedic relief.


      2. he was saying it wasn't the most adult/courteous ways to address someone, not that he was offended.

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    • I'd really appreciate it if they would give Sun some character of his own. Reveal his backstory, have him interacting with characters other than Blake, something.

      This is why I think it'd be cool if part of him staying behind with his team in Volume 6 involves them going to Vacuo to get things set up and ready for when RNJRWBY gets done with Atlas. They could show us a little bit of that, maybe throw in a bit of CFVY for fanservice. To me, that desert kingdom seems like the right place to put a sphinx Grimm, honestly.

      It's also why I'd like for there to be a further explanation to Sun's obliviousness about Faunus history and the White Fang than simply "He lived in Vacuo, where there's little to no discrimination against Faunus due to their circumstances." If there was something more on top of just that, then it'd give him a trait from his backstory. Like, if he's actually half-Faunus, and his Faunus parent wasn't around for whatever reason, perhaps from dying, and his human parent doesn't really know that much about Faunus history. That kind of backstory would add something to Sun.

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    • Or they could *not* do that since we've seen how well CRWBY handles multiple plot threads. Hint: at least one character destroying arc per volume.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Or they could *not* do that since we've seen how well CRWBY handles multiple plot threads. Hint: at least one character destroying arc per volume.

      I'd be fine with it only being in, like, two episodes or something. They don't have to come back to it every other episode.

      Seriously, though, there's been word about there being a sphinx Grimm in Volume 6, but they've also said that RNJRWBY has already gotten to a "chilly" area, which is either in Anima's tundra or Solitas. I can't really imagine a sphinx Grimm being shown in a cold climate. It's more of a desert thing.

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    • It would be a complete waste of screentime for a group that only has four out of eleven characters with any real development. And the goddamn title character is not among them.

      They had their chance with Sun in V4-5. It's time to focus on the characters who aren't love dolls for the ones that actually matter. That means you too, Pyrrha.

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    • There's a reason why I thought SSSN should come along for the ride.

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    • Well good for you, you're wrong.

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    • They need development, and They'd all be in one place. Cram 14 characters together on a boat and something interesting should be learned.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      They need development, and They'd all be in one place. Cram 14 characters together on a boat and something interesting should be learned.

      They really don't, because they don't matter.

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    • Well RT seemed to think they were.

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    • Since when? Sage and Scarlet have like a minute of screentime and 3 lines between them, and Neptune stopped mattering literally as soon as the dance arc ended. And they already blew all their chances with Sun, so fuck 'em.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote: Since when? Sage and Scarlet have like a minute of screentime and 3 lines between them, and Neptune stopped mattering literally as soon as the dance arc ended. And they already blew all their chances with Sun, so fuck 'em.

      well I think that's the point... RT said they would matter later, and nothing they've done yet has.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Arkantos95 wrote: Since when? Sage and Scarlet have like a minute of screentime and 3 lines between them, and Neptune stopped mattering literally as soon as the dance arc ended. And they already blew all their chances with Sun, so fuck 'em.

      well I think that's the point... RT said they would matter later, and nothing they've done yet has.

      Right, because they always follow up on things. Remember how Penny had a plan to stay at Beacon? Or Ruby's Pyrrha dreams that lasted for 1 episode? Or any potential development for Ruby ever?

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    • Just because they messed the characters up earlier doesn’t mean they lost all potential. I have hope for Sun and the others in Volume 6.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Just because they messed the characters up earlier doesn’t mean they lost all potential. I have hope for Sun and the others in Volume 6.

      The fact that they have a long history of dropped plot threads does, however. More than half of the part of the cast that actually matters has little to no development whatsoever, and Team SSSN doesn't fall into the category of "characters that matter", despite Sun being Blake's bang toy.

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    • I am 99% sure Penny's plan to stay at Beacon was specifically an attempt to increase the emotional impact of her death.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I am 99% sure Penny's plan to stay at Beacon was specifically an attempt to increase the emotional impact of her death.

      I concur. They let us think we were soon going to see a lot more of the sweet android/weapons platform, and play with our expectations.

      It also showed that she definitely had a mind of her own, and was becoming more independent.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I am 99% sure Penny's plan to stay at Beacon was specifically an attempt to increase the emotional impact of her death.
      I concur. They let us think we were soon going to see a lot more of the sweet android/weapons platform, and play with our expectations.

      It also showed that she definitely had a mind of her own, and was becoming more independent.

      It also showed that mind was that of a 12-year-old if she actually though Ironwood was just going to leave her at Beacon;

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    • She is literally less than a decade old. Probably under 5. Of course she's going to be naive.



      That's part of her character design. A design which has/had a lot of potential for change and growth.

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    • well yeah obviously, mentally penny was younger than ruby.

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    • My point is, the whole "SSSN becoming relevant" bit isn't going to happen just because RT said it would in the past. Remember that GS upgrade we never got? 

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    • Arkantos95 wrote: … Right, because they always follow up on things. Remember how Penny had a plan to stay at Beacon? Or Ruby's Pyrrha dreams that lasted for 1 episode? Or any potential development for Ruby ever?

      1. A. that was already a successful misdirect.

      b. I still think she'll return to the narrative

      2. as that was triggered by Jaune's recording it's at least somewhat excusable.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:I can't really imagine a sphinx Grimm being shown in a cold climate. It's more of a desert thing.

      I know this is way back, but.....you do remember we got a scorpion in a forest, right? A Deathstalker, which live in desert climates like the Sahara, Egypt and India.

      Arkantos95 wrote:
      Remember that GS upgrade we never got?

      You're forgetting 3 things:

      1) It was Monty who said that.

      2) He said it was in Season 3.

      3) He was among the few who bothered to make a distinction between "Volume" and "Season".

      For all we know "Season 3" is whatever happens after Atlas. Of course, this is waaaaaaaay back and he wrote from the seat of his pants all the time, so for all we know that plan really got scrapped, or replaced with something else that may be better or worse.

      73.Anon.52 wrote:

      1. A. that was already a successful misdirect.

      b. I still think she'll return to the narrative

      2. as that was triggered by Jaune's recording it's at least somewhat excusable.

      1A) If it was meant to be a misdirection, it was so cheap it's shameful. They set-up a decently-good plot: Penny wanting to go to Beacon to be with Ruby. Even just the attempt at asking Ironwood would've made for a perfectly-good scene and show character development for Penny. And if it wasn't for Vol.3 happening, we could've gotten something like JPDE: Penny getting her own team, and most likely ordered to hide her robot nature from them. Which in itself sets up future stories well.

      But no, it was "just thrown in for future emotional impact". It's about as cheap as making Roman give that "I will survive" speech half a second before being chomped.

      1B) She already did, 73. Oscar asked Ruby about it and she said she doesn't give much of a fuck because she didn't "know her very well".

      2) Not really. Because that would imply that Ruby truly doesn't give a damn to the point you must practically use suggestions while she sleeps to make her even remotely think about it. Plus that can't be the only time Jaune listened to a Pyrrha recording during all the months they traveled.

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      1B) She already did, 73. Oscar asked Ruby about it and she said she doesn't give much of a fuck because she didn't "know her very well".


      well, thats a bit much

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:

      SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: 1B) She already did, 73. Oscar asked Ruby about it and she said she doesn't give much of a fuck because she didn't "know her very well".


      well, thats a bit much

      no, I'm talking about the actual Penny being put back into the narrative, not just talked about.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:I can't really imagine a sphinx Grimm being shown in a cold climate. It's more of a desert thing.
      I know this is way back, but.....you do remember we got a scorpion in a forest, right? A Deathstalker, which live in desert climates like the Sahara, Egypt and India.

      Not all scorpions live in the desert.

      For example, as someone living in the eastern half of Texas, I have to think about the striped bark scorpion. Despite what some people apparently think, not all of Texas is desert. The desert is pretty much hours and hours away from me over in the western part of the state. The eastern half is more forest and fields. We have trees friggin' everywhere over here.

      A little info about the striped bark scorpion:

      "Striped bark scorpions can be found in rocky slopes, grasslands, juniper breaks, along with under boards and debris. They tend to find dead vegetation, fallen logs and human dwellings to live in also -- any place that is cool and moist."

      Meanwhile, aside from things like amusement parks and Las Vegas, you only really see a sphinx statue in the desert.

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    • What about the Goliath Grimm, which we saw a herd of in a wasteland? Elephants don’t live in wastelands, they live in savannahs and forests.

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    • So I should carry incendiaries at all times. Got it.



      If SSSN goes to Vaccuo to get the ball ready, that could be an interesting possibility for development. Sun can show his friends what it's like, with say, Neptune talking about how much nicer it was back in mistral with Sage piping up how that's not really true when you descend in the city.

      Between panels and putting them in an intro, RT seems to think these guys are important, so they should do something with them so we care when they get involved.

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    • Maybe there’ll be a giant worm Grimm in the desert.

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    • As long as we can keep the Dune jokes and references to a minimum.

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    • Can we use Alaskan Bull Worm jokes?

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    • No. Those are less funny.

      Besides, a giant death worm/snake deserves respect and fear. A terrifying beast that can strike from the sand without warning, slaughtering an entire caravan in a single strike. Such creatures should be feared, respected, and probably killed.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      What about the Goliath Grimm, which we saw a herd of in a wasteland? Elephants don’t live in wastelands, they live in savannahs and forests.

      Wasn't exactly a wasteland, considering there were trees.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote: No. Those are less funny.

      Besides, a giant death worm/snake deserves respect and fear. A terrifying beast that can strike from the sand without warning, slaughtering an entire caravan in a single strike. Such creatures should be feared, respected, and probably killed.

      So I should be afraid of/respect a worm that belongs to a fictional race of monsters that are incompetent/near-incompetent at being humanity’s number-one threat.

      Makes sense.

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    • Well  when I'm saying "we" should keep the Dune jokes to a minimum, I'm counting RT.

      I'd like to see what a truly unhindered Grimm attack out in the wild could look like, and this would be a good opportunity for a serious scene reminding the audience of their power, and to show that old, powerful threats are emerging from slumber as the world of Remnant circles closer to the drain.

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    • That could be a good idea. I might use it in one of my stories.

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    • With the deteriorating state of the world, fan-fic and canon could believably go from action to action-horror, and if you really want to, straight up horror for civilians who either can't get help, or are written off as a lost cause.



      Maybe I've been spending too much time on the 40k wiki, but it's possible that some people might write a community off, not necessarily because they are needed elsewhere or because they can't save the community, but because even if the people survive and move somewhere new, they'd still be Grimm magnets.



      There's room for some very dark stories without violating the setting.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      1) Not all scorpions live in the desert. For example, as someone living in the eastern half of Texas, I have to think about the striped bark scorpion.

      2) Meanwhile, aside from things like amusement parks and Las Vegas, you only really see a sphinx statue in the desert.

      1) That's terrible, but the Grimm is not called Stripedbark, it's called Deathstalker. And Deathstalker is not really a common name for scorpions in general, at most just a specific genus out of the 2K+ species on the planet.

      2) Because everyone thinks of the egyptian Sphinx. But there's also the greek Sphinx, and last time I checked most of Ancient Greece wasn't desert. And if we can have a scorpion in a forest even if most people associate them with deserts, we can have a sphinx in a tundra.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:

      1) Not all scorpions live in the desert. For example, as someone living in the eastern half of Texas, I have to think about the striped bark scorpion.

      2) Meanwhile, aside from things like amusement parks and Las Vegas, you only really see a sphinx statue in the desert.

      1) That's terrible, but the Grimm is not called Stripedbark, it's called Deathstalker. And Deathstalker is not really a common name for scorpions in general, at most just a specific genus out of the 2K+ species on the planet.

      2) Because everyone thinks of the egyptian Sphinx. But there's also the greek Sphinx, and last time I checked most of Ancient Greece wasn't desert. And if we can have a scorpion in a forest even if most people associate them with deserts, we can have a sphinx in a tundra.

      1. True, but my point is there are scorpions that don't live in deserts.

      2. True. I just think that Miles and Kerry would go the typical route of "Sphinx = Egypt = Desert" and shove a sphinx Grimm into a desert because that's just how they are. I can't imagine Miles and Kerry, of all people, going "Let's put a sphinx Grimm in a tundra."

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    • I can. And since they’re going to a tundra in Volume 6, there’s no doubt in my mind we’re gonna see in a tundra.

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    • there are frozen Deserts and tundra too...

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    • Well I still have to disagree with Chishio. Just because it’s a sphinx doesn’t mean it has to live in the desert. Need I remind you it’s also a Grimm.

      Need more proof? Just look at Ol’ Nuck. It’s based off of the Nuckelavee, which is said to live in the sea, yet the Grimm itself lived in a mountain cave.

      So in my opinion, it doesn’t matter what the Grimm is based off of for it to live there. It just lives there.

      And hell, manticores don’t live in tundras either, but Volume 6 is set in a tundra, where it’ll most likely appear. And by extension, it means the Sphinx will appear as well.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      Well I still have to disagree with Chishio. Just because it’s a sphinx doesn’t mean it has to live in the desert. Need I remind you it’s also a Grimm.

      Need more proof? Just look at Ol’ Nuck. It’s based off of the Nuckelavee, which is said to live in the sea, yet the Grimm itself lived in a mountain cave.

      So in my opinion, it doesn’t matter what the Grimm is based off of for it to live there. It just lives there.

      And hell, manticores don’t live in tundras either, but Volume 6 is set in a tundra, where it’ll most likely appear. And by extension, it means the Sphinx will appear as well.

      I'm not saying it has to live in the desert. I'm saying that, with the way that Miles and Kerry's writing is, it doesn't strike me, thematically, as something that they would put in a snowy tundra.

      Like, the Sea Feilong. Oftentimes, sea dragons are long and snake-like, much like an Asian-style dragon. Plus, the ship Blake was on had to have passed by Anima on its way to Menagerie, and Anima is largely Asian-inspired. Thus, Sea Feilong.

      Also, the Nuckelavee also went on land in its lore, so it wasn't restricted to the sea.

      It just doesn't strike me as something that Miles and Kerry would do, so if they do actually do it, then I'll be surprised that they actually went with subverting an expectation that one would normally have for a sphinx-themed monster. That said, though, if there is a region in Anima that actually has Greek-inspired themes, a la Pyrrha, then having a Greek-style sphinx Grimm show up would make sense in terms of how Miles and Kerry typically are.

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    • That means that they’d put it in Anima, since you just said it has Greek themes. And since they’ll most likely be in Anima’s tundra part before leaving to Solitas, it makes sense for the Sphinx to show up.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:
      That means that they’d put it in Anima, since you just said it has Greek themes. And since they’ll most likely be in Anima’s tundra part before leaving to Solitas, it makes sense for the Sphinx to show up.

      I said IF there is a region that has Greek-inspired themes.

      Prior to Volume 4's WoR episodes, many people thought that Anima would be Greek-themed with possible Roman elements because of Pyrrha and Neptune, but then we found out that it's actually largely Asian-inspired with no sign of Greek or Roman themes, between the WoR, Volumes 4 and 5, and an interview in which they said it's similar to Ba Sing Se from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

      So IF... IF!!! there turns out to be an area that is Greek-inspired after all, then I'd get Miles and Kerry putting a Greek-type sphinx Grimm.

      But as it stands... Miles and Kerry tend to be the type of writers who play things very close to tropes and cliches, and it is often a cliche for a sphinx type monster to be in a desert. THAT is why I would be surprised if THEY, of all people, put a sphinx in the tundra.

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    • Well I wouldn’t.

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    • you dont write RWBY so you dont get a say.

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    • Yes we do.

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    • no we really dont.

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    • If we all had a say in what happens in RWBY, that would be a very scary place, and RWBY would be even more of a shitshow than it actually is.

      Pyrrha would come back as some kind of Grimm zombie, and Jaune would remind her of who she used to be, so they'd get back together, which would be kinda freaky, and then Bumbleby and White Rose would become things, Neptune would probably die, someone in the Black Sun shipping community would rage and have something horrible happen to Yang so that Blake gets with Sun, Ruby would become OP beyond belief but possibly also regain a personality, CFVY would pop up for absolutely zero reason and steal the spotlight, etc.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote: no we really dont.

      Well i’m still sayin’ it.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote: If we all had a say in what happens in RWBY, that would be a very scary place, and RWBY would be even more of a shitshow than it actually is.

      Pyrrha would come back as some kind of Grimm zombie, and Jaune would remind her of who she used to be, so they'd get back together, which would be kinda freaky, and then Bumbleby and White Rose would become things, Neptune would probably die, someone in the Black Sun shipping community would rage and have something horrible happen to Yang so that Blake gets with Sun, Ruby would become OP beyond belief but possibly also regain a personality, CFVY would pop up for absolutely zero reason and steal the spotlight, etc.

      Oh gods, that would be horrifying.

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    • if i had a say in rwby's writing, team rwby would make up about 80% of every episode, ozpin would be dead, yang would not go around calling raven mom and numerous other things and i'd make it extremely clear that team rwby is either as straight as humanly possible or asexual, as representation adds nothing to a story except forced diversity if done wrong.

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    • You do realize a character being LGBT takes absolutely nothing away from them, right? Because at this point I'm starting to get some serious homophobia vibes from you man.

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    • So you'd write utter trash is what you're saying?

      Also *coughs* If you make them asexual you would be representing diversity ya low speed son of a sheckle.

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    • Also i like how you just toss an important part of Yang's character aside just because you don't like Raven for being one of the two adults in this show so far to see that Ozpin is useless.

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    • I mean...what's he done honestly other than get Pyrrha to commit suicide by Maiden?

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    • He used magic. More than once.

      He failed at protecting the school/Vale.

      And he failed to stop Salem.

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    • thus, hope that oscar dies so ozpin dies ...

      bet that'll satisfy some peeps

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    • And so that Ozpin possesses Jaune next.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote: And so that Ozpin possesses Jaune next.

      pretty sure that's off the table, as;

      1. he transfers to the nearest likeminded soul, yet he bypassed Jaune to get to Oscar.

      2. Jaune is older than Oscar, so if Oz is bound by an age range like maidens... Jaune either already passed it or is getting there, poor old maid that he is.

      3. They'd need to be likeminded... and Oz isn't exactly Jaune's favorite atm.

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    • Shit, you’re right.

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    • ... somebody's gonna be rejoicing that another 'useless' character died

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    • He might get some more growth in Volume 6.

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    • Jaune has the potential for a nice character arc. I hope they use it well.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Also i like how you just toss an important part of Yang's character aside just because you don't like Raven for being one of the two adults in this show so far to see that Ozpin is useless.

      how is having yang stop calling raven mom throwing away a important piece of her character, and i do like raven, she's on of my favorites

      edit. and who is the other person who sees that ozpin is useless besides raven ?

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      You do realize a character being LGBT takes absolutely nothing away from them, right? Because at this point I'm starting to get some serious homophobia vibes from you man.

      it might not take away from the characters but it does take away from the story, representation is irrelevant, what matters is that a good story is told, what does not matter is if 1 of the characters is lgbt or not, and i take a very small amount of offense that you get homophobic vibes from me because i've made it very clear that sexual preference is something i dont care about, its just that it can come across as good and forced, and in regards to characters besides ilia it comes across as forced, yang were to come out next season, i would see it as forced to appease the people who want representation and to appease the bmblb shippers, same if blake or weiss were to be lgbt out of nowhere, that would be forced, not properly naturally developed over the course of days/weeks/months/years, but forced.

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    • But straight relationships those are fine right?

      Jaune pining after Weiss added so much to the story?

      Neptune “Goes after anything female with a pulse” what ever the fuck his last name is making an ass of himself around every girl who catches his eye, that added something to the show?

      “I’d make them all hetero or asexual” doesn’t really speak to you not liking all romance, just homosexual romance. Also who’s to say a lgbt romance couldn’t be developed well in this show? I mean hardly any of the relationships have been slow burn...other than Ren and Nora...but it could happen.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:

      1. Jaune pining after Weiss added so much to the story?

      2. Neptune “Goes after anything female with a pulse” what ever the fuck his last name is making an ass of himself around every girl who catches his eye, that added something to the show?

      1. And just think, that was added in after an improv session just because they thought it would be funny. Honestly, it stopped being funny when they kept it up in Volume 2 because of how obnoxious he was being.

      Rule of thumb: Unless you're writing a comedy that takes place in a wacky universe where anything can happen, "It would be funny" is not a good reason to do something in your story.

      Especially in RWBY, to be honest. Almost every time they've decided to have a character do something or act a certain way just because "it would be funny", it has gone badly. "Jaune's not our comedy character anymore, oh no! Let's have Sun be 'funny' instead! *Turns Sun into a screeching buffoon*"

      2. And his thing with Weiss went nowhere. In Volume 3, he was right back to flirting with other girls while Weiss tried to cheer him on, and then we haven't seen him since.


      Also, to the people who aren't being represented - or are being misrepresented - representation does matter.

      Now, the people who are screaming and yelling and throwing tantrums, trying to get their favorite shows to have representation, are going about it wrong. Everyone else asks that shows and movies and such every once in a while make a character who just happens to be LGBT or a certain race but not make that a defining trait of theirs.

      As someone who's asexual, it would be nice to see some asexual characters in media. However, the condition is that I would rather the asexual character not be treated as nothing but "This asexual character must be ill and needs to be fixed because it is not normal to be asexual." I get enough of that in real life, I'd rather the show or movie I'm watching not also tell me that I'm sick. Just let them be a character living their life or going on whatever adventure, who happens to be asexual and thus doesn't gawk at the sexy side characters or bad guys like the others do or whatever, I don't know.

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    • no, romance in general is bullshit and unnecessary especially in rwby since its not a romance driven story, rwby's story deals with stopping the genocide of the human and faunus race, why the fuck would romance be of any interest to anyone especially the writers, thats what makes it feel forced be it straight or lgbt, its such an unneeded part of storytelling its inane to even bother with it.

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    • I'm really tired of the mentality that Yang shouldn't call Raven mom because it usually stems from the idea that Summer was her "real" mom. In all actuality, Summer was probably around for maybe a year or two of Yang's rememberable life, and then she unintentionally (or intentionally, if she knew it was a death mission) abandoned her, as well. Remember, Yang implied Ruby wasn't even at the age in which she could talk when Summer died, in Alone Together. Yang would've been like 3 or 4 at the most, if we're being generous. Kids start remembering things at the age of 2.

      Summer wasn't really there for Yang either, in the long run. Just because she was nice and made cookies for a tiny fraction of Yang's life, before abandoning her just like Raven did, does not make her Yang's "real" mom. The tragedy of Yang's character is that she had no mother figure in her life.

      Getting pissed at Yang calling her biological mother "Mom" but being fine with Ruby calling Summer "Mom", despite Summer never really being present in her life either is a double standard. Both of them abandoned their children for different reasons, doesn't matter if Summer did it unintentionally, Ruby still grew up without her biological mom because Summer chose to be another casualty in Ozpin and Salem's never ending war, which is something Raven even hints at in V5.

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    • my point really didnt have anything to do with summer, it was more intended as why call someone who you dont know, have no real relationship with and who purposefully abandoned you mom.

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    • Okay, by those standards, why should Ruby call Summer mom then? She doesn't really know her. She has no real relationship with her, and through the act of accepting a potentially fatal mission, she was willing to risk abandoning Ruby forever. There's really not much difference. 

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    • So you’d like for *every* story to not have any form of romance...sounds bland as hell.

      People form relationships, it natural friendships or otherwise so of course that’s going to be posited in media.

      I don’t get why you are so antiromance...though you didn’t seem to be at the beginning of this thread.

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    • difference is ruby knew remembers and misses summer, that cant be said for yang and raven, yang called raven mom despite having never met her before, ruby calls summer mom because they had atleast 3 years together.

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    • Hasn’t Yang called Summer “mom” as well?

      And wasn’t it stated Ruby was too young to remember her mother dying?

      Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

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    • We've been given no indication Ruby remembers Summer in the actual show. If you're referencing RLR2, approximately zero percent of Ruby's characterization in that has made it into the show yet. In fact, they've made it physically impossible for her to remember Summer because she died before Ruby was even two. Also, you can miss a deceased loved one you've never met out of pure yearning to meet that person and form a relationship you never got the chance to have.

      Edit: Yang has only referred to Summer as “Mom” in the context of her telling the story to Blake in Burning the Candle. As soon as she reveals Summer wasn’t her biological mom, she never refers to her as “mom” again. Just as Ruby’s mom or Summer

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    • VerBeeker wrote: Hasn’t Yang called Summer “mom” as well?

      And wasn’t it stated Ruby was too young to remember her mother dying?

      Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

      Yang said that Ruby might have been too young to fully understand the situation not that she has no memories of Summer, the fact that Ruby told to her mother at her grave that she misses her tell us that Ruby fully remembers her mother.

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      the fact that Ruby told to her mother at her grave that she misses her tell us that Ruby fully remembers her mother.

      this is what i was trying to get at.

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    • Except it doesn’t. Refer to my point above. In addition to that, Ruby is exactly the type of person who would say I miss you to someone she’s grown up hearing stories about (likely from Qrow), despite being too young to actually remember that person.

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    • Skyyyyyyyyyy wrote: Except it doesn’t. Refer to my point above. In addition to that, Ruby is exactly the type of person who would say I miss you to someone she’s grown up hearing stories about (likely from Qrow), despite being too young to actually remember that person.

      I really doubt that, she would rather have said I wish I really knew you and it has never been said that Ruby has no memories of Summer or that she was two when Summer disappeared.

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    • Except when Yang explicitly said Ruby couldn’t talk yet when Summer died, which contributed to her loneliness.

      From Alone Together:

      “My mom left me. Ruby's mom left too. Tai was always busy with school and Ruby couldn't even talk yet. I had to pick up the pieces. I had to keep things together. Alone. (pause) Weiss, if you have something to say, then say it.“

      Kids say their first word around the age of 12 months, and they usually develop a bigger vocabulary by 24 months. Point being, when yang says ruby couldn’t talk yet, that means she was super, super young, and definitely not able to remember things.

      Edit: Not to mention, Ruby not having memories of Summer absolves the series of one of the biggest things people have always bitched about regarding the show. The fact that she doesn’t seem to be remotely affected by Summer’s death at all.

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    • Skyyyyyyyyyy wrote: Except when Yang explicitly said Ruby couldn’t talk yet when Summer died, which contributed to her loneliness.

      From Alone Together:

      “My mom left me. Ruby's mom left too. Tai was always busy with school and Ruby couldn't even talk yet. I had to pick up the pieces. I had to keep things together. Alone. (pause) Weiss, if you have something to say, then say it.“

      Kids say their first word around the age of 12 months, and they usually develop a bigger vocabulary by 24 months. Point being, when yang says ruby couldn’t talk yet, that means she was super, super young, and definitely not able to remember things.

      Not all children start to talk after one or two years after their birth and it's not sure that Yang's words were totally reliable at this moment given her state of mind when she talked to Weiss.

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    • We’ve been given no indication Ruby was developmentally delayed as a child, though. As a teenager, she’s perfectly fine, with the typical amount of awkwardness a 15-16 year old who was thrust into basically college early would have. Also, I’d argue Yang’s words are entirely reliable in that situation because she needed Weiss to understand how alone she was, and she wouldn’t lie to her or exaggerate things for sympathy. That’s not how Yang is.

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    • Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

      hasnt it been confirmed by either rt or jeff williams that its ruby and summer ?

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote: no, romance in general is bullshit and unnecessary especially in rwby since its not a romance driven story, rwby's story deals with stopping the genocide of the human and faunus race, why the fuck would romance be of any interest to anyone especially the writers, thats what makes it feel forced be it straight or lgbt, its such an unneeded part of storytelling its inane to even bother with it.

      You know romance is more 'realism' than the grittiest, darkest, edgiest situations you could possibly put into any narrative

      Be it an actual connection or just straight sex, most people want something along those lines, especially if they're in a situation where they can get /ker'murdered at any moment. It aint just a first-world luxury ffs

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    • Skyyyyyyyyyy wrote: We’ve been given no indication Ruby was developmentally delayed as a child, though. As a teenager, she’s perfectly fine, with the typical amount of awkwardness a 15-16 year old who was thrust into basically college early would have. Also, I’d argue Yang’s words are entirely reliable in that situation because she needed Weiss to understand how alone she was, and she wouldn’t lie to her or exaggerate things for sympathy. That’s not how Yang is.

      People who are in anger or hurt tend to exagerate things whenever it's volontary or not and in general they don't even think about trying to cause symapathy in the others when they do that.

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    • it depends on the story, the romance in rwby was either creepy and stalkery like jaune and weiss, or one sided like jaune and pyrrha and up until season 4 ren and nora, and im not counting neptune here because it seems he'd flirt with any pretty girl he meets.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:



      Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

      hasnt it been confirmed by either rt or jeff williams that its ruby and summer ?

      I have heard so. It's at least seriously implied.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote: it depends on the story, the romance in rwby was either creepy and stalkery like jaune and weiss, or one sided like jaune and pyrrha, and im not counting neptune here because it seems he'd flirt with any pretty girl he meets.

      I wouldn't count Renora as creepy or stalkery or one sided.

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    • up until season 4's finale it was atleast one sided on nora's side.

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    • To come back to the subject I think it's too early for a full Blake and Sun romance if there is going to be one but it's good to give at least one hint about it's being possible.


      As for BMBLB I think that if they really want to show a romance between Blake and Yang that the writers should give real hints about it being possible, a romance happening in Volume 6 or 7 while Blake didn't show any sign of romantic feelings for Yang would be really poorly done.

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    • could be long distance.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote: could be long distance.

      Totally possible, would be at least far more credible than BMBLB happening out of nowhere in Volume 6 or 7.

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    • blake and sun compared to bmblb have atleast an inkling of mutual interest.

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    • There’s actually a not so insubstantial chance they might just straight up kill Sun off this volume. Adam promised Blake he’d destroy everything she loved, and I don’t think he’s going to forget about that promise. The Monkey King and the Demon Bull actually face off in the original stories, and I wouldn’t put it past them to twist the outcome so instead of having the monkey king survive like in the original tale, he dies to the Demon Bull aka Adam.

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    • That actually sounds like good story telling...you sure RWBY would do it?

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    • They did say this volume was darker lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ghira, Kali, and Sun all get axed and Ilia turns up in Atlas to warm RWBY because she’s the designated lesbian and therefore can’t die. Until Emerald comes out jk but really tho

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:



      Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

      hasnt it been confirmed by either rt or jeff williams that its ruby and summer ?

      It was... I think it was 2 separate occasions at least and one was Casey doing the confirmation after someone brought it up.
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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      That actually sounds like good story telling...you sure RWBY would do it?

      is it really needed to keep crapping on the story telling of this show, or is it your equivalent of an addiction, you just cant stop it ?

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    • Skyyyyyyyyyy wrote:
      They did say this volume was darker lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ghira, Kali, and Sun all get axed and Ilia turns up in Atlas to warm RWBY because she’s the designated lesbian and therefore can’t die. Until Emerald comes out jk but really tho

      pilot boi was gay, if he mentioned it or not he still was and he died.

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    • This thread needs to be renamed to 'Skyyyyyyyyyy and VerBeeker School Some Kids on Romance and Storytelling'... ebook edition. 

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    • what if the majority of us are adults ?

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    • Everybody's somebody's kid. 

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    • what if you got dead parents ?

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    • You're still their kid anyway.

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    • Super saiyan swagger wrote:

      VerBeeker wrote:
      That actually sounds like good story telling...you sure RWBY would do it?

      is it really needed to keep crapping on the story telling of this show, or is it your equivalent of an addiction, you just cant stop it ?

      I see no reason it would be good storytelling... if Blake isn't there to see it and has already said her goodbye's to Sun, that's just like an episode or 2(if they actually give the fight it's due and bring the rest of SSSN into it) away from the MC's, with worthlessly written Adam no-one cares about, 2 cardboard cut-outs, Fake Neptune, and Sun needing to carry the emotional weight, then dying to the same trash whose last fight scene was taking a single blow to the head from a less experienced fighter.

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    • Also you have the wrong guy if you think I love shitting on story telling.

      RWBY’s done good in my own opinion so far but there are quite a few glaring errors every now and then.

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    • Adam killing Sun just after him departing ways with Blake and while she is going to Atlas doesn't sound like good story telling to me. I think that he might rather try to go after Blake herself.

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    • Inb4 Sun actually goes with Blake again

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      Super saiyan swagger wrote:



      Red Like Roses 2 honestly sounds more like Yang and Summer singing to each other than Ruby.

      hasnt it been confirmed by either rt or jeff williams that its ruby and summer ?
      I have heard so. It's at least seriously implied.

      Jeff said it in a panel.

      There was even one where he jokingly said Lindsay and Casey should start singing Red Like Roses. He told Casey to be Ruby and Lindsay to be "mom", referring to Casey and Sandy's parts in the song.

      There is also the fact that there was an old, old Volume 1 era livestream where they literally outright state that Red Like Roses Part 2 was written because fans had been disappointed that the first Red Like Roses didn't really say anything about Ruby.

      Not to mention "Red like roses", as a whole, is Ruby's thing, whereas Yang's things within the songs are burning and gold.

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    • Doesn't change the fact that they retconned that to have Ruby too young to remember anything about her, so Ruby is now down to 0 songs for her that actually matter.

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    • retcon or not the song still applies to her.

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    • Aye, it does. We're noting the massive writing fallacy in that, despite the song's intention, it seems to make more sense that it be assigned to a different character, given that the song means nothing to the character it's actually assigned to. Based on what we know in the context of the story, Ruby isn't capable of feeling the emotions that her own song seems to suggest she is. 

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    • Since either Ruby was younger than 3 when Summer died, or the theory that she's autistic got a lot more traction.

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    • What does this have to do with her potentially being autistic?

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Doesn't change the fact that they retconned that to have Ruby too young to remember anything about her, so Ruby is now down to 0 songs for her that actually matter.

      You know I see people talking about that, but... I don't actually remember anything in the show to validate it. The only line I recall was "Ruby was really torn up, but... I think she was still too young to really get what was going on, y'know?"

      Nothing about this line says Ruby does not remember her mother. It says she was too young to understand death, and that her mother wasn't coming back this time.

      These are VASTLY different things.

      On average, humans start to develop permanent memories at ~3-4 years old. In fact, literally the earliest memory I have was waking up in bed one morning and having NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON.  I had those instinctive memories, I recognized things and knew my brother, parents, etc, but I had no specific memories.

      Now, Yang made ONE later statement during Burning the Candle, during her explanation to Blake, "A toddler sleeping in the back of a wagon and a stupid girl too exhausted to even cry for help."

      This is an interesting one. If Ruby was torn up about the death of her mother, she must have some sense of memory. She absolutely HAS to have been old enough to begin forming memories. For Ruby to qualify as a toddler, she would be at most 3 years old. Which would make Yang 5.

      Now, speaking from experience, a five year old child is not capable of walking "for hours."

      Their bodies just aren't developed enough, they lack the stamina for extended travel like that.

      What is more likely, that a five your old walked an extended distance unprotected, or that she was older but does not accurately remember the situation because of the level of emotional stress and physical exhaustion she was experience?

      We should also note that Yang may not have been speaking literally in calling Ruby a toddler, she may have been using it in a more general sense to refer to Ruby as being very young.

      tl;dr: Calling it a retcon is a stretch, as we were never given specific details about when it happened to begin with.

      Also, people these days label literally everything that doesn't mesh with their specific interpretation of events as a retcon.

      And finally; even if it is a retcon, who the hell cares? Even with a bare minimum of specific memories, Ruby would still have known who her mother was. She would have been told stories; by Yang, by Tai, by Qrow. Doesn't matter who.

      You can have an emotional attachment to a person or thing you do not clearly remember. The dialogue between Ruby and Summer presented in Red Like Roses II can easily be interpreted as an older Ruby reflecting on how she never really got a chance to be with her mother because Summer died when she was young, from the perspective of someone who only vaguely remembers her personally but has been told all about her by close family and friends.

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    • Yang literally said she couldn't talk. Two is as old as that allows, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people in their teens remember jack shit from that age.

      And as for the walking bit, they never said that was like, the day after Summer died. It could've been years.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Yang literally said she couldn't talk. Two is as old as that allows, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people in their teens remember jack shit from that age.

      And as for the walking bit, they never said that was like, the day after Summer died. It could've been years.

      Yang said she herself was "too tired to cry for help", nothing about Ruby.

      And, again, if Ruby could not talk nor remember Summer, she could not be torn up about Summer's death.

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    • 1. Someone mentioned that Ruby would have had to have a developmental disorder to start talking late but that's not true. My cousin didn't start talking until she was almost three and she had a late start at walking too but she has never been diagnosed with a developmental disorder and she's even doing better than a lot of her classmates now (she's nine now).

      2.  Yang could have been exaggerating how little Ruby could talk. Again mentioning my cousin, once she did start 'talking' it was mostly nonsense. She strung random words together and I don't know if I would really consider that talking since she still couldn't properly express herself.

      3. This could very well be a mistake on the writer's end. I'm not an expert in the development of children but I do believe that we are supposed to think that Ruby remembers Summer at least a little bit from both Red Like Roses Part 2 and the scenes where Ruby visits Summer's grave.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Arkantos95 wrote:
      Yang literally said she couldn't talk. Two is as old as that allows, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people in their teens remember jack shit from that age.

      And as for the walking bit, they never said that was like, the day after Summer died. It could've been years.

      Yang said she herself was "too tired to cry for help", nothing about Ruby.

      And, again, if Ruby could not talk nor remember Summer, she could not be torn up about Summer's death.

      Yang says "Ruby couldn't even talk yet" about Summer's death to Weiss in Volume 5 when she's telling Weiss about how she feels isolated.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Arkantos95 wrote:
      Yang literally said she couldn't talk. Two is as old as that allows, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people in their teens remember jack shit from that age.

      And as for the walking bit, they never said that was like, the day after Summer died. It could've been years.

      Yang said she herself was "too tired to cry for help", nothing about Ruby.

      And, again, if Ruby could not talk nor remember Summer, she could not be torn up about Summer's death.

      Yang said Ruby was too young to talk when Summer died when she spoke about it in V5. The second half of that is exactly my point. She's not torn up about Summer's death because she's shown literally no signs of it. Same with Penny and Pyrrha. Talking about being said isn't being sad.

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    • Did we not get an explicit statement from the writers that Ruby has been bottling all that stuff up?

      Speaking as someone with pretty severe emotional issues, A person can bottle things up for half a lifetime, just lettting it sit and stew and ferment and fester before it all just sort of explodes; otherwise showing no outward signs that it is bothering them.

      I'm also going to simply say this; Yang is an incredibly self-centered person. She likely remembers things in ways that put her as the center of attention without even realizing it. Memories are far from an unbiased perspective, and until we get Ruby, Tai, or Qrow's version of those events we cannot take anything Yang says as absolute fact.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Arkantos95 wrote:
      Yang literally said she couldn't talk. Two is as old as that allows, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people in their teens remember jack shit from that age.

      And as for the walking bit, they never said that was like, the day after Summer died. It could've been years.

      Yang said she herself was "too tired to cry for help", nothing about Ruby.

      And, again, if Ruby could not talk nor remember Summer, she could not be torn up about Summer's death.

      Yang said Ruby was too young to talk when Summer died when she spoke about it in V5. The second half of that is exactly my point. She's not torn up about Summer's death because she's shown literally no signs of it. Same with Penny and Pyrrha. Talking about being said isn't being sad.

      You can be sad without always seeming like it. I recently had a friend die and, though I'm still sad about it, I don't focus on it all the time nor am I sad 24/7. My cousins lost both of their parents in quick succession a couple of years ago and, though they still miss them and wish they were around, they are happy now and you wouldn't guess from looking at them that they had lost their parents. Ruby has seemed to genuinely want Summer around and in scenes like when Ruby watches Jaune train (V4C2) or when they reference Pyrrha in regards to Jaune's new armor (V4C1) you can see she's sad. Keep in mind that it had been eight months since the fall of Beacon by volume 4 which is enough time for a hopeful character like Ruby to at least push forward. It doesn't mean she's completely over it, it just means she has pulled herself together enough to move forward.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:

      I'm also going to simply say this; Yang is an incredibly self-centered person. 

      ... have we been watching the same show?

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    • Yes. Nobody else seems to have realized that Yang makes everything about her though.

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    • I wouldn't call her incredibly selfish, but she is rather self-centered. She wants to become a Huntress for her own enjoyment first. She'll help people along hte way, but she got into this job so she could get the thrill of adventure.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Phantomlink959 wrote:

      I'm also going to simply say this; Yang is an incredibly self-centered person. 

      ... have we been watching the same show?

      I wouldn't say Yang is completely self-centered but she does have a tendency to not see other peoples problems. She didn't consider how the fall of Beacon or Blake's past would impact Blake and her decisions and she assumed, wrongly, that because Weiss had a large family and was rich that she had a perfect life.

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    • Weiss pretty much did have a perfect life until her mother decided to abandon her for a bottle because her husband was mean.

      Also, you do remember that part where she literally lost an arm for Blake, right?

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Weiss pretty much did have a perfect life until her mother decided to abandon her for a bottle because her husband was mean.

      Also, you do remember that part where she literally lost an arm for Blake, right?

      Just because part of someone's life is good it doesn't mean that it invalidates the part that was bad and I never said her resentment of Blake is unfounded. My point was that Yang assumed Weiss's life was completely perfect and that Blake abandoned her for no reason rather than Blake leaving because of guilt and feeling that being near her friends would only hurt them. I think Yang is totally justified in feeling hurt that Blake left but she forgot to factor in Blake and her feelings and instead focused only on herself.

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    • Oh wow, someone hurt badly enough to experience PTSD's emotions clouded their perception of things we know because we're looking in from the outside, how selfish they must be.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Oh wow, someone hurt badly enough to experience PTSD's emotions clouded their perception of things we know because we're looking in from the outside, how selfish they must be.

      If you had read my previous comment as well as the comment you just replied to you would know that I do not consider Yang self-centered and I think she was justified in her hurt. I merely pointed out that she was only focused on her own pain. I never said blamed her for wrapping herself in her own pain, that is human nature, but she was ignoring the possibility that others have pain as well.

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    • I’m starting to think that this isn’t really about people dsliking Bumbleby and more about people just disliking Yang...one of the two well developed characters of the main four.

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    • And All things considered if we’re going to call a character self-centered is Blake “I too am an Heiress” Belladona.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      I’m starting to think that this isn’t really about people dsliking Bumbleby and more about people just disliking Yang...one of the two well developed characters of the main four.

      To be fair, I have heard people tell me directly that Bumblebee made them start hating Yang.

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    • Because her being gay would tarnish their ability to waifu her?

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    • Huh...a meaningless ship is a really stupid reason to start hating a character...considering much of the time she isn’t even *properly* in character in much of those fics or comics.

      And Ark, as always you raise a valid point. How can you constantly say things so controversial yet so brave.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Because her being gay would tarnish their ability to waifu her?

      Lol no. Because of the idiotic Bumblebee shippers being all rabbid and delusional about it.

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    • See people say that, but I see way more people shitting on the ship than I see rabid shippers. Granted the shipping community of this show is some of the worst in pop culture, but still.

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    • Because he’s Arkantos.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      And All things considered if we’re going to call a character self-centered is Blake “I too am an Heiress” Belladona.

      She's not exactly an heiress, though... In all honesty, Volume 4 was most likely the very first time she had ever actually lived in that mansion.

      It's the chieftan's mansion, and Ghira didn't become chieftan of Menagerie until after he stepped down as leader of the White Fang. It has been expressed in-show that, when Ghira and Kali left the White Fang and Ghira became Menagerie's chieftan, Blake stayed with the White Fang and thus did not go with her parents.

      In other words, Ghira and Kali didn't move into the chieftan's mansion until they left the White Fang, and because Blake didn't go with them, she did not live in that mansion.

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    • Why can't the rest of you BE more like that majestic stallion, Arkanatos over there?

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    • Arkantos95 wrote: See people say that, but I see way more people shitting on the ship than I see rabid shippers. Granted the shipping community of this show is some of the worst in pop culture, but still.

      Voltron has since put them to shame, and I have to agree...I’ve seen like *a* post on Reddit and a few comments on Tunblr none of them rabid talking about what they saw at RTX and the cheek kiss. Yet here’s a thread bitching about them as if they fucked your sister before your very eyes or some shit.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      VerBeeker wrote:
      And All things considered if we’re going to call a character self-centered is Blake “I too am an Heiress” Belladona.
      She's not exactly an heiress, though... In all honesty, Volume 4 was most likely the very first time she had ever actually lived in that mansion.

      It's the chieftan's mansion, and Ghira didn't become chieftan of Menagerie until after he stepped down as leader of the White Fang. It has been expressed in-show that, when Ghira and Kali left the White Fang and Ghira became Menagerie's chieftan, Blake stayed with the White Fang and thus did not go with her parents.

      In other words, Ghira and Kali didn't move into the chieftan's mansion until they left the White Fang, and because Blake didn't go with them, she did not live in that mansion.

      Then why would she call it home? Or immediately know it was their house?

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    • Well Bumblebee and White Rose predate episode 1, so that doesn't speak too well of their reasoning.

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    • I'd go dig up the thread where Bumblebee shippers were sending Arryn Zech (Blake's voice actor) death threats for defending the song BMBLB, but I'm pretty sure she deleted twitter after that.

      She is also a Bumblebee shipper, by the way.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      1) It's the chieftan's mansion, and Ghira didn't become chieftan of Menagerie until after he stepped down as leader of the White Fang.

      2)...In other words, Ghira and Kali didn't move into the chieftan's mansion until they left the White Fang, and because Blake didn't go with them, she did not live in that mansion.

      1) You keep saying that, but doesn't it make little sense? That the chieftain automatically gets a mansion? Wouldn't it mean that if Ghira ever stepped down, his family would be forcefully kicked out of that home and forced to live in a shack? It's not like the BellaHome is some fancy office, it's an actual house.

      It doesn't make much sense. It's more believable that they already owned that mansion before Ghira became chieftain.

      2) Or she did live in that mansion, when she was younger, whenever Ghira and Kali stopped and spent time at Menagerie. Just because they protested here and there it doesn't mean they didn't live there.

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    • UlrichSetera wrote: Why can't the rest of you BE more like that majestic stallion, Arkanatos over there?

      Never type something like this again.


      Seriously, please don’t.

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    • Governing positions sometimes come with a new residence built into the job. Considering he seems to be the closest thing to an executive branch Menagerie has, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case here.

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    • Glitchee123z wrote:

      UlrichSetera wrote: Why can't the rest of you BE more like that majestic stallion, Arkanatos over there?

      Never type something like this again.

      Hush, let Natty the Guard pay compliments to his little pony Applejack.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Glitchee123z wrote:

      UlrichSetera wrote: Why can't the rest of you BE more like that majestic stallion, Arkanatos over there?

      Never type something like this again.
      Hush, let Natty the Guard pay compliments to his little pony Applejack.

      ???

      I don't get it

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      I'd go dig up the thread where Bumblebee shippers were sending Arryn Zech (Blake's voice actor) death threats for defending the song BMBLB, but I'm pretty sure she deleted twitter after that.

      She is also a Bumblebee shipper, by the way.

      Hold on, Bumblebee shippers were sending death threats to Arryn because Arryn who supports bumblebee defended the song BMBLB?

      ...Are you sure you have that right? Because that's exactly not how that works. 

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    • Also demonize them all you want but folks who use the wiki Discord have stated that Miles and Kerry deserve to be sent death threats.

      And we all know who *that* lovely individual is and if you don’t more luck to you.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      Also demonize them all you want but folks who use the wiki Discord have stated that Miles and Kerry deserve to be sent death threats.

      That is reason enough for me to demonize 'em.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      1) You keep saying that, but doesn't it make little sense? That the chieftain automatically gets a mansion? Wouldn't it mean that if Ghira ever stepped down, his family would be forcefully kicked out of that home and forced to live in a shack? It's not like the BellaHome is some fancy office, it's an actual house.

      It doesn't make much sense. It's more believable that they already owned that mansion before Ghira became chieftain.

      2) Or she did live in that mansion, when she was younger, whenever Ghira and Kali stopped and spent time at Menagerie. Just because they protested here and there it doesn't mean they didn't live there.

      Like Sentry said. For example, what do you think the White House is? Once our president's term is over, if they don't get re-elected, they have to move out of the White House and go back to living wherever they were living before they got elected. The White House is a giant, incredibly luxurious home. It's not just the president's office where they commute to every day. They literally live there, with private chefs and everything, for four years.

      I find it hard to imagine that that mansion in Kuo Kuana is just coincidentally the Belladonnas' actual original home and not the chieftan's mansion, considering literally every single other person in that entire town lives in those tiny homes that Sun pointed out. To me, that mansion is Kuo Kuana's White House - a giant, luxurious home that stands out from the rest, built specifically for housing the current leader.


      Arkantos95 wrote:

      Then why would she call it home? Or immediately know it was their house?

      Because she may have been born and spent the first part of her life in Menagerie itself, and she would know that it's where her parents are living because it's literally the chieftan's mansion and her father is literally the current chieftan. It's like Menagerie's version of the White House. If your father became President of the United States while you were in another country, you know that, in order to go see him in person, you should go to the White House in Washington DC.

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    • VerBeeker wrote:
      Also demonize them all you want but folks who use the wiki Discord have stated that Miles and Kerry deserve to be sent death threats.

      I'm rather confused. Are you saying that it's hypocritical for the people here in general to "demonize" Bumblebee shippers because some people on this wiki's Discord - which are not most of the people here - supposedly said that the writers deserve to get death threats?

      I mean, even if I took at face value the obvious straw you're pulling there with how out-of-context and hyperbolic that claim is......I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

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    • To extend on Chish's post:

      UK: Prime Minister traditionally (and officially) lives at 10 downing street

      Canada: Prime minister official residence is 24 Sussex Drive

      Venezuela: Though the current regime breaks the trend (probably because he's a crazed dictator who people want dead), the president traditionally lives at Miraflores palace

      Australia: Prime minister lives at The Lodge (official name)

      France: Élysée Palace

      Ireland: Áras an Uachtaráin

      Russia: Has several designated presidential residences, Putin lives at Novo-Ogarevo


      It is EXTREMELY common in western society for leaders (elected or otherwise) to reside in a specific, pre-determined location; both for ease of access and security.

      They don't just magically stop owning whatever residences they had prior to getting the job. When their replacement is elected, they simply move back into their old place.

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    • VerBeeker wrote: And All things considered if we’re going to call a character self-centered is Blake “I too am an Heiress” Belladona.

      I would say Raven, Jacques, and Ironwood first.

      I wouldn't say Yang is self-centered at all tbh, she is however very concerned with getting emotionally hurt/abandoned, which can present the appearance that she is.

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    • We’re getting off topic again, people.

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    • there is no topic for this thread... it's topic is a tldr stated in full on the first post

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    • So it does have a topic.

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    • The thread's topic is a meme, and it just so happens that most, if not all of our posts can be classified as such. So I'd say we're right on course. Warp speed, ya bastards. 

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      VerBeeker wrote: And All things considered if we’re going to call a character self-centered is Blake “I too am an Heiress” Belladona.

      I would say Raven, Jacques, and Ironwood first.

      I wouldn't say Yang is self-centered at all tbh, she is however very concerned with getting emotionally hurt/abandoned, which can present the appearance that she is.

      A slight clarification; my impression of Yang being highly self-centered draws from her songs. If you listen to them, I mean REALLY listen, they paint a picture of someone far from selfless. How strongly they reflect the characterization in the show is hard to say for sure, but Jeff Williams knows far more than we do.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote: … A slight clarification; my impression of Yang being highly self-centered draws from her songs. If you listen to them, I mean REALLY listen, they paint a picture of someone far from selfless. How strongly they reflect the characterization in the show is hard to say for sure, but Jeff Williams knows far more than we do.


      Now I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, the entire point of the songs is to explain something deeply personal to the character, so of course they would sound self centered... it'd be like expecting someone to have pics of other peoples kids in their homes instead of just pics of their own children.

      for example;

      "I Burn" would be about her own personal freedom and the lengths she will go to to assert it.

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    • He's talking about how a lot of Yang's songs have her sing about how 'she's amazing' and 'she's the best', and how she's so good everything she touches turns to gold. It's not quite Neon Rainbow levels of self-centeredness, but it certainly has a fair bit of personal pride and talking yourself up as pretty damned great that the other character songs dont.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      VerBeeker wrote:
      Also demonize them all you want but folks who use the wiki Discord have stated that Miles and Kerry deserve to be sent death threats.

      I'm rather confused. Are you saying that it's hypocritical for the people here in general to "demonize" Bumblebee shippers because some people on this wiki's Discord - which are not most of the people here - supposedly said that the writers deserve to get death threats?

      I mean, even if I took at face value the obvious straw you're pulling there with how out-of-context and hyperbolic that claim is......I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.


      Yes I’m saying it’s hypocritical, not do I support either side. There are shit people in all parts of this fandom, though I have to say I’ve had much more pleasant conversations with a few Bumbleby shippers than most of the people I’ve met on the wiki or discord.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote: He's talking about how a lot of Yang's songs have her sing about how 'she's amazing' and 'she's the best', and how she's so good everything she touches turns to gold. It's not quite Neon Rainbow levels of self-centeredness, but it certainly has a fair bit of personal pride and talking yourself up as pretty damned great that the other character songs dont.

      I mean yang had always been outstandingly confident in herself but I wouldn’t call her selfish...Hell she is the most self-sacrificing of the main four. And not all of her songs have been about her self confidence...the one was about her believing she could utterly please another girl. *coughs* to refind the tracks for this pretty pointless train.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote: A slight clarification; my impression of Yang being highly self-centered draws from her songs. If you listen to them, I mean REALLY listen, they paint a picture of someone far from selfless. How strongly they reflect the characterization in the show is hard to say for sure, but Jeff Williams knows far more than we do.

      I'm just gonna take this as empirical proof that people are just actively looking for issues with Yang. Because... no. 

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    • That is also very true.

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    • breaking news, songs are not 100% representative of people.

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