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  • Welcome back to Where From Here. Having had a scheduling snafu last week, I’ve taken up the responsibility of writing this thread as a make-up for that, so let’s get started.


    • Qrow searches the streets for some shady individuals and bounty hunters to recruit for RNJR’s mission to retrieve Vernal. Unfortunately, all of them seem to have disappeared into the Beowolf-based shadows of Lyngvi, specifically Heather Shields, with the tone taking a depressing turn upon Qrow learning this. Qrow is unsuccessful in recruiting anyone, and eventually pays off the debt Shiro Wan owes the ramen shop owner, suggesting that he had been “cleared”. Despite the fact the shop is anti-Faunus given the paper sign outside, the shop owner still manages to have an emotional moment over Shiro’s “clearing.”

    • Alecia Xiao Moore & Casey Hart Schnee speak with Christina Branwen in regards to what Ozpin’s secrets are. With RT intentionally skirting mentions of Summer, she speaks of how STRQ was essentially RWBY in every way during their days at Beacon, and managed to catch the attention of Ozpin for his grander scheme. Raven & Qrow were there to learn how to kill Huntsmen in order to benefit their tribe, but apparently, at some point, Qrow had a change of heart and left this notion behind.

    • Being as skilled as they were, STRQ was privy to knowledge of Salem’s existence, and the twins were imbued with bird transformation magic by Ozpin, Raven entrusting this info to the duo in her tent with her. Once Raven begins speaking about how Qrow and Tai were fools, Yang gets inspiration for her new album of Beautiful Trauma and begins asking the necessary But what about us? quite angrily, resulting in getting a weapon pointed at her from Miley Cyr-- err, sorry...Vernal. Unfortunately, Raven won’t just give her a reason for why she was never there, and try as she might, Yang is unable to convince her otherwise.

    • Raven talks about how the Grimm have their leader, some people can come back from the dead, and how magic is real, the last of which she demonstrates herself. Once again she misdirects Yang’s questions, suggesting she has all the answers, but instead offers an ultimatum: go to Qrow through her portal and make her an enemy, or stay and receive all of the misdirected info she could’ve just offered plainly in the tent. Unfortunately, Raven’s plan ends in disaster, and Yang and Weiss leave through her portal on Bumblebee, making their way to Qrow sulking on a Mistralian overlook about his to-be-expected misfortune, much to his surprise.

    • Ruby proves she’s a terrible cook, Nora proves Ruby’s Episode 5 point on how she’d eat everything when left alone, and Ren proves he’s the master cook. Jaune is Jaune, and when Qrow comes home, Ruby comes to the front area with a set of teaware, expecting Qrow and a bunch of Huntsmen, and instead finding her partner & sister with him. Ruby begins to break down saying she was sorry to her sister, before receiving a tight and heartfelt hug, in which both began to cry and Alec- sorry, Yang interrupts by *asking her to please don’t leave her.

    • Weiss starting to feel lonely again, Ruby and Yang invite her into the hug, and the episode ends with ORNJ & Qrow watching RWY embracing in a supremely heartfelt moment (awww).

    • Say she loved her.*

    Alright, discussion time!

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    • Ruby: I'm making the food right n- *poof*

      Ren: Fuck me  it's burnt!!! You could kill someone you donkey!

      Ruby: Sorry chef!

      • Nora eats carrots*

      Ren: Are you eating the food!?! That's not your job, that's the customer's job!  We haven't even served dinner yet and the food is vanishing!!!

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    • So, I guess Weiss and Yang aren't gonna be there for Cinder showing up, unless Qrow and his team show up during that meeting. Also looks like Blake is now the only one left out. Wonder how Yang will feel about leaving now that she's gonna find out Salem's followers might be heading to Raven's camp.

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    • I find it interesting that Raven said Ozpin's big dark secret was a big impossible war rather than anything shady action or order he might have done. Combine that with the song lyrics in divide about teaching people to fight what they can't defeat, I'm wondering if the moral questions this show will bring up is asking people to sign up for things that will likely get them killed, or asking people to make sacrifices.

      I Know a lot of people in the community are suspicious of Ozpin, and growing more so as time goes on. But so far the only concrete bad thing we've found out about him (and not speculate) is that he has a secret war that he's asked certain people to help him with. That's it so far. There's a case to be made about him having his own secret cabal within the huntsman academy's that can undermind the authority of the council's but that's it. Truth be told if you consider Ozpin's Illuminati a Black ops organization they've been shown to be quite ethical to what I would expect from such organizations. So far the signs of moral quams seems to be around asking people to go to war. Which might be an over arching theme considering how we seen Blake and Sun trying to recruit people.

      -Defcon Deceiver

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    • I just got to watch the ep. First thing first thing first: Raven has to know that by sending Yang to Qrow she is inta-confirming to him Vernal is with her.

      If she didn't know Qrow would be hitting the camp to tryt o take Vernal before, she has to know now. So... what if Raven takes/sends Vernal away before Cinder&co arrive?

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    • I mean, it's a possibility, as Raven seems to be the type of individual to play the long game in terms of her enemies, providing she could not destroy them immediately. For me personally, though, I see how that happens in only one way.

      1. Qrow knows that Yang and Weiss came through Raven's portal, meaning they were with her at some point and managed to convince her to let them come to him.

      2. Yang & Weiss would probably explain to the main group how they got there, and what they had learned from Raven. In this case, it would be "magic is real, Salem exists, people can come back from the dead." They will probably then be brought up to speed because the plot demands it (and Weiss had previously up until this point no overarching plot significance to any of the villains other than with Roman, and Yang's been inactive ever since taking on some of them and losing.

      3. Yang and Weiss will probably be informed of the Spring Maiden likely being at the camp, and the only way I see Qrow confirming Vernal is there is if they happen to mention the random lightning strike. And even then, considering how difficult it was for them to accept magic's existence, they might attribute it to Semblance.

      4. Raven might not think of the possibility because the lightning strike could be explained through Semblance, and the two weren't aware of magic's existence just yet. And what with seeing how Raven (and by extension Qrow) can become a bird, they might've forgotten about the strike in their awe of Raven.

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    • Just saw the episode

      • first off, the episode was hyped to reveal more than I think it really did, all it did was confirm a massive amount of solid speculation that only a few holdouts and newer viewers didn't believe(transformations are magic, STRQ was treated special just like RWBY, Raven was there for Yang as a kid.... just as a Raven)
      • second, kinda dissappointed in it overall, it was good, it was neccesary.... it just seemed like it revealed less than I would like, yet still lacked as much excitement as one would hope
      • third, I have yet to see anyone speculate... just what happened ~6-7 weeks ago?  Most of those active huntsman deaths and dissappearances occured then, so I'm betting it had something to do with this guy "thinning the herd"(likely claiming one killed Sienna)
        PosingAdam
        in preparation for the big day... could this be like the early volume scenes with Torchwick hinting at his extracurricular preparations?
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    • PisceanWaterbender wrote: the only way I see Qrow confirming Vernal is there is if they happen to mention the random lightning strike. And even then, considering how difficult it was for them to accept magic's existence, they might attribute it to Semblance.

      Vernal was the bandit to interact the most with Weiss & Yang, so I think that when the girls recount their experience at the camp, they would bring her up by name. And Qrow should know the Spring Maiden by name.

      So even if Weiss & Yang didn't make the association that the lightning strike = magic, they are likely to rely the information to Qrow.

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    • Weiss was the only one to hear her name, and even then that was said pretty quietly. If anybody's doing it, it'd be her. It'd be funny if the whole reason this arc works is that Weiss happened to be in the right/wrong place at the right time.

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    • Vernal was holding Weiss's weapon at the time, which had Lightning Dust in it. They could easily attribute it to her using Weiss's Dust against them.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:
      Vernal was holding Weiss's weapon at the time, which had Lightning Dust in it. They could easily attribute it to her using Weiss's Dust against them.

      It isn't Yang/Weiss that need to realise Vernal is the Spring Maiden, Qrow has to. And Qrow already knows.

      So all that needs to happen is either of them name dropping her.

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    • Shameless Self-Promotion :D

      Now, after watching the ep, I must say, and will say as many times as necesary....Raven's half of the episode is one of the most worthless scenes in this entire show.

      Like 6 freaking minutes, spent building up some big and nasty secret about Ozpin....that is literally just the stuff we've known since at least Vol.4. Stuff that could've been cut out without anything of value being lost.

      It's like they thought we are goldfish or something.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      1. Shameless Self-Promotion :D
      2. It's like they thought we are goldfish or something.

      1. I'll look at it later, you self-centered person, you! (In all seriousness though, I'll look.)

      2. Ouch...that hurts...though I can't decide if that was because of the type of fish or the lack of a brain implication that came with it. (I'm also aware it wasn't directed at me, but dammit I saw fish and had to say something.)

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Shameless Self-Promotion :D

      Now, after watching the ep, I must say, and will say as many times as necesary....Raven's half of the episode is one of the most worthless scenes in this entire show.

      Like 6 freaking minutes, spent building up some big and nasty secret about Ozpin....that is literally just the stuff we've known since at least Vol.4. Stuff that could've been cut out without anything of value being lost.

      It's like they thought we are goldfish or something.

      tbf.... that Ozpin did something to them to give them their powers is new, and at least she spelled out stuff we've inferred for ages... it's a great transcript for pointing to and saying "look, anon it's right there... transformation = magic, not semblance" and a few other things of that nature.

      But otherwise, yeah... I'm rather dissappointed, it would have been nice if she spelled out who she knows can come back from the dead(we at least know Ozpin is likely one she was referring to, but she could have meant others with her phrasing), and exactly why she refuses Ozpin(be it a certain directive or just the infinite shadow war, and why she appeared to Yang as a raven but nothing more.

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    • my thoughts. 

      1) It was a good episode. I went in expecting another plot episode like Ep 5 because Ep 7 will be a big fight. 

      2) Qrow looking for huntsmen was depressing. They tried to liven it up with some jokes, like Qrow overeacting to not finding anybody but I think it just screwed up the tone of the scenes. Your humor is crap RT. 

      3) Is this Heather going to come back? idk. I hope not. Hopefully it was just to show us that these Huntsmen are either dead or missing.

      4) I can't help but think this is the start of Qrow's development. Almost everybody he knows is dead and he almost died had it not been that airship. Is there nothing Qrow wants to do before he dies?

      5) I do like that we are getting to see more parts of Mistral. That is important if we are to care about this place. 

      6) "No Faunus" Very unoriginal, RT, but very necessary.

      7) Raven's ability to turn into a Raven was Ozpin's doing. Team STRQ was one of Ozpin's pet projects. Raven and Qrow trained to be anti-huntsmen. Lots of good bombshells and it will definitely help with the team STRQ theories. Keep em coming guys. 

      8) Team RWBY was also Ozpin's pet projects and I guess so was JNPR seeing as how there is something special about Juane and Pyrrha was trained to be the Fall Maiden. 

      9) Salem apparently can't be defeated or reasoned with. Interesting. How does Raven know this? Did she try to convince Salem and failed? Or is this second hand information? Raven doesn't trust second hand information anyways. 

      10) The reunion scene was nice but after the Freezerburn, it felt lackluster. 

      11) I really like Ruby's reaction. I consider that character development even though Yang's reaction was the more important one. 

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    • Predictions: 

      Ep 7: CME vs Raven + Spring. CME will win. Raven might die.  RWQY + JNOR might make it just in time to catch the Spring maiden's trail. Also Blake vs Illia. Ghira or Kali or Sun might die. But I don't think we will get two deaths in an episode, that is too cruel. 

      We might get the Tyrian and Salem conversation. 

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    • @Someone. idk what you are talking about. We gained confirmation on an ****ton of stuff. 

      1) Ozpin became the headmaster of Beacon at the youngest age of any headmaster ever. It confirms that Ozpin's reincarnation specifically targets young boys who likely don't have a life plan yet.

      2) Ozpin experimented on raven + Qrow and gave them the magic to turn into a Raven or Qrow for the luls I guess. You gotta hand it to the guy. He has a twisted sense of humor. Or it might have been an idea that Qrow had while he was drunk. 

      3) Raven + Qrow trained as anti-huntsmen. Thats unique. 

      4) We gain specific confirmation that the team assignments are NOT random. Ozpin makes them appear random to give the ILLUSION of free will but he manipulates the teams into his own Pet projects. We know for sure that Team STRQ + RWBY + maybe JNPR were Ozpin's pet projects which explains Juane becoming the team leader and Ozpin bending the rules for Team RWBY to go to Mountain Glenn.

      its the same thing with Oscar. Yes, Oscar thinks he has the free will to chose where he wants to go but when the choice is "Live your life and be responsible for the world burning" OR "save the world" you don't have 100% free will. 

      Its the same thing with Pyrrha. Pyrrha had the exact same choice. This is massive character development for Ozpin. 

      5) Raven has been watching Yang the entire time. 

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    • Anon, do not triple post. Double posting itself is against the rules. Get an account so you can edit your posts.


      The point was we don't need confirmation. We should be smart enough to figure it out. The point was the big bad secret Raven was talking about was something we already knew (Salem was in charge of the Grimm and Ozpin has been enlisting people for his war), and with nothing else so mind-shattering we felt rather cheated.

      4) They are  random most likely, but he looks at specific teams that excel and takes them on. The more mediocre teams get ignored and go on to become huntsmen without ever knowing the truth.

      Despite their lack of free will, they still have little alternative considering Salem would kill them with or without their involvement.

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    • Happy?

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    • 98.17.81.35 wrote:

      1) Ozpin became the headmaster of Beacon at the youngest age of any headmaster ever. It confirms that Ozpin's reincarnation specifically targets young boys who likely don't have a life plan yet.

      2) Ozpin experimented on raven + Qrow and gave them the magic to turn into a Raven or Qrow for the luls I guess.

      3) Raven + Qrow trained as anti-huntsmen. Thats unique. 

      4) We gain specific confirmation that the team assignments are NOT random. Ozpin makes them appear random to give the ILLUSION of free will but he manipulates the teams into his own Pet projects.

      5) We know for sure that Team STRQ + RWBY + maybe JNPR were Ozpin's pet projects which explains Juane becoming the team leader and Ozpin bending the rules for Team RWBY to go to Mountain Glenn.

      6) its the same thing with Oscar. Yes, Oscar thinks he has the free will to chose where he wants to go but when the choice is "Live your life and be responsible for the world burning" OR "save the world" you don't have 100% free will. 

      Its the same thing with Pyrrha. Pyrrha had the exact same choice. This is massive character development for Ozpin. 

      7) Raven has been watching Yang the entire time. 

      1) And we already knew that when he reincarnates, he goes to the body of "a like-minded" young soul. He told us himself, in V5E2. So, what is new there?

      Also, "Youngest person to be made Headmaster" =/= "Became Headmaster as a kid".

      2) We don't know if he truly experimented on them or if they even refused or objected to it. Raven gave 0 details, she just said "he did this to us :C". Besides, it doesn't seem to have any side effects whatsoever, so All Gain, No Loss. And Raven doesn't seem to hate it either.

      3) That's about the only new thing we learned that we didn't already figure out.

      4) What? No, the fuck he doesn't. Nothing Raven said even implied a bit of that. She just said Team STRQ was great and caught Ozpin's attentions, and got special treatment for it in the most unsubtle way possible, just like RWBY did in Vol.2.

      Nothing says that Ozpin has the Team assignments pre-dictated. And given the way he decides partners during Initiation, if V1 is any indication, it's entirely random who ends up with who.

      He doesn't decide that WXY and Z end up on the same Team before everything begins. He lets things happen, and if a specific team is great, he gives them unsubtle special "privilegies" to turn them into his "pet projects", as you put it.

      5) Ozpin bending the rules for RWBY, yes. Making Jaune the Team Leader despite being a total noob for the same reasons? That's a guess. RWBY was a "pet project", but nothing like that was even implied with JNPR. At best, only Pyrrha.

      Jaune becoming Team Leader might well be because of the tactical skill he showed in the Initiation, and because the rest don't really have "Leader potential", at least comparatively.

      6) Except that that's not Oscar at all. Oscar started by refusing to believe Ozpin even existed, but then he changed to believing in Ozpin and acknowledging what's going on. He knows about Salem and her goals, and knows she must be stopped.

      The whole thing about "Ozpin is only giving him the Ilusion of free will" is completely and absolutely wrong and irrelevant with Oscar. With Pyrrha, Ozpin did give her a fake ultimatum ("Become a Maiden, or we all die"). But with Oscar, he never did, he just tried to convince Oscar to accept the situation that was enforced upon him.

      7) Yes, Raven has been watching Yang. Which we already knew, given how Raven knows about Yang despite never bothering to even send a letter.


      Overall, the results:

      >"Team STRQ was Team RWBY 0.5 and got special treatment from Ozpin": Inferred at the very least, and expected all the way since Qrow was revealed to be a member of the Ozluminati.

      >"Raven has been watching Yang": No shit. How does she know so much about her if she didn't?

      >"Raven and Qrow turn into birds, it's magic": No shit. If it isn't Qrow's Semblance, what other explanation is there?

      The only new thing here is that Raven and Qrow had darker reasons to go to Beacon. Nothing else is really new, it was either already known, expected, or inferred based on known facts.

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    • WC-83 sucks wrote:
      Happy?

      Uncalled for. Triple (and double for that matter) posting isn't allowed because it takes up thread space, which is in limited supply, meaning it's more economical to get an account to edit your existing posts. You making a spite account just because you didn't like me isn't held in high regard here. I'm not too displeased much, but you should really get a different profile. The mods don't like people doing that either.

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    • I have alerted Admins to the anon's new account.

      UPDATE: The account name has been blocked, and the anon has been advised to create a new account that does not attack other users on this wiki. If something like this happens again, please let us know.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      ...

      The only new thing here is that Raven and Qrow had darker reasons to go to Beacon. Nothing else is really new, it was either already known, expected, or inferred based on known facts.

      No, the only thing new is that Ozpin made them magical, it was easy to infer that they were originally without good intentions... one doesn't choose the bandit lifestyle after abandoning it because they wanted to "save the world" or pursue other well intentioned nonsense.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      No, the only thing new is that Ozpin made them magical, it was easy to infer that they were originally without good intentions... one doesn't choose the bandit lifestyle after abandoning it because they wanted to "save the world" or pursue other well intentioned nonsense.

      But that reasoning only works with Raven. Qrow didn't go back to the tribe, nor does he commit crimes for a living.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      73.Anon.52 wrote:

      No, the only thing new is that Ozpin made them magical, it was easy to infer that they were originally without good intentions... one doesn't choose the bandit lifestyle after abandoning it because they wanted to "save the world" or pursue other well intentioned nonsense.

      But that reasoning only works with Raven. Qrow didn't go back to the tribe, nor does he commit crimes for a living.

      nope, it works with both, change of hearts are a thing, that Qrow changed his mind wasn't hard to understand, what with survival of the species at risk.

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    • While a lot of more important things have been adress, such as the bar/restraunt owner's no Faunus sign implying that the laws are at best indifferent to discrimination, I have some points that are likely minor things in the grand scheme, for the most part.

      First,  How does Wan owe the guy L16K? That seems like a lot, but is it? Qrow was pay it off with what he had on him without knowing beforehand how much. He may have hit an ATM, but the guy did have a strong reaction.  Was this guy Wan's bookie, contraband supplier, multi-tasking merchant, loan shark or something like those? Did Wan consistenly bring crowds and put the bill on a tab? Did he have an insane appetite? Is that money for damage? What?

      Ah, so Mistral really does have an ugly underbelly. Bare knuckle fight rings without Aura, slums, boarded up windows, and... were those Silver Eyes!?

      There is relatively little light, the camera rather conspicuously stays off of the father's eyes for more than a second tops, her eyes look pretty close to some shot's of Ruby's, and we know RT has trouble wtih the Silver Eyes. I'm probably wrong, but I couldn't shake the feeling while watching the scene.

      I'm curious about Vernal's weapon, but that will probably be next week's mid-season cliff-hanger.

      Raven seemed to think she was trying to be a good parent while Yang was in the camp.

      I hope Bumblebee wasn't damaged by crashing out of the portal or driving through the railing.


      Could have used more new info, but there were things we learned from this episode.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:

      Ah, so Mistral really does have an ugly underbelly. Bare knuckle fight rings without Aura, slums, boarded up windows, and... were those Silver Eyes!?

      Nope. They were grey. Solid grey, with a tiny bit of blue I think.

      They are about as silver as Ilia's eyes.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:

      First,  How does Wan owe the guy L16K? That seems like a lot, but is it? 

      Unless Lien is calculated in the 1000s like Japanese Yen. If so, you could probably shave 2 zeroes off the end for an American Dollar equivalent of about $160. Which is not that bad when you consider the price of alcohol, and he could have been a regular paying off the debt a bit at a time.

      I hope Bumblebee wasn't damaged by crashing out of the portal or driving through the railing.

      What on earth suggested that they crashed? Yang wasn't going that fast when she entered the portal, and Bumblebee has been shown to have pretty good brakes. You don't race through a portal to somewhere unknown when you have no clue where you'll end up on the other side. She's not stupid.

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    • I suppose that could be the case, though I doubt RT would do that since that could be jarring to an American audience. Also, I'm pretty sure a guy wouldn't go psycho over $160. Maybe it has to do with inflation due to the Dust embargo and the CCT network getting knocked offline, leading to panicked buying. That bit was spposed to be humorous.

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    • It was lumped in with the other speculation and had nothing around it to suggest it was supposed to be.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      I suppose that could be the case, though I doubt RT would do that since that could be jarring to an American audience.

      RWBY was made with the intention of being animesque and has since ascended into full anime (at least as far as Japan is concerned). I would expect you average RWBY-viewver to be familiar with anime (and by extent Japanese currency).

      Now, if Lien =/= Yen, and 16K IS a lot of money, Qrow having that much money could be because:

      a) your average Ozluminati gets a fairly large amount of cash on a regular basis to be able to afford whatever comes up during an operation

      b) huntsmen in general are wrapped up in money (Raven's words seem to imply being a huntsman is perceived as a quick road to lots of money)

      c) Lien isn't quite worth the same everywhere. 16K could be a lot of money in Mistral, but nothing at whatever place Qrow last was actively working at.

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    • Raven's secrets may have been a bit anti-climactic, but she also wasn't really finished. She offerred to tell Yang even more so long as she stayed. That all was new to them, of course, and Raven's take on it is much less supportive compared to Qrow's. As she sees it, her and her team were unwitting pawns for Ozpin in a battle far more dangerous than they undersood and her daughter is being roped into the same thing without her knowledge.

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    • Ok, so, I have been thinking about it and... I don't really see why "The Grimm have a leader that cannot be defeated or effectively stopped." is sth that is justified to be such a big secret.

      Like, you would think, after thousands of years of  history where humanity has barely managed to hold four relatively safe population outpost with any attemps at expanding said outposts ending in failure, "We cannot defeat the Grimm." would be a generally accepted truth.

      I mean, hunters are aware of the existence of Grimm capable of spawning new Grimm whilst levelling towns (like the dragon from V3).

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    • But if the people are just told that the Grimm are a force with a leader and cannot be stopped, people (or at least more people) will just wonder what's the point. It could be enough to let them fall over and die. Ozpin however believes she can be stopped I imagine, but not within anyone's lifetime. Huntsmen are trained to fight hordes of endless Grimm, but not all of them have been informed of Salem's existence.

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    • I think the bigger issue is that if the Grimm are just a force of nature it is easier to see a normal life and the potential for building a better world. To learn that it is in fact under the control of a single person who has been controlling them the whole time makes it an ongoing war with a hostile army, that they happen to have been losing quite badly. Plus, there is also the risk that people knowing about Salem might grow her rather fledgling following. Another risk is that some may think it is possible to try and negotiate with her when the truth is she has no desire to talk things out. Even trying to pursue diplomacy risks her taking advantage of the situation.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      I think the bigger issue is that if the Grimm are just a force of nature it is easier to see a normal life and the potential for building a better world. ...

      ^ I mean think about it, you teach a kid to kill Grimm and he does so, then gets better and better at it and eventually decides he wants to do that for a living... now consider what happens when he learns that Grimm has a boss, someone smarter, stronger, and faster than the grimm that knows exactly how to find him at his weakest, and can't be killed if he tries the reverse... that kid never even thinks about going pro.

      The idealistic Ruby types end up being the only ones who would fight and you'd never see the Blake's, Yang's or Weiss's step up because they would never reach their present level and realize their potential goes higher.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      To learn that it is in fact under the control of a single person who has been controlling them the whole time makes it an ongoing war with a hostile army, that they happen to have been losing quite badly. 

      I suppose, when you put it like that... Knowing about Salem could potentially create you Ironwoods all over the 4 Kingdoms and turn everyplace into a borderline police state. Not to mention these new Ironwoods might not be nice but misguided people, but outright dictators.

      That said, I wasn't thinking about Ozpin just coming out and saying "Yup, there is a being called Salem. She is Sapient, looks similar to a human woman, is capable of human speech and has been controlling the Grimm against humanity." but more on sth like "We have pretty strong evidence that older/ancient Grimm can control younger Grimm. It also appears these ancient Grimm can coordinate with each other possibly through another even older Grimm."

      I mean, we haven't really seen how Search & Destroy missions work, but I would think having a more accurate idea on how Grimm behave would make organizing defenses/ofenses more effective.

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    • Good Idea. Wish I could give kudos.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Good Idea. Wish I could give kudos.

      Pretty sure the button's still there, still working.

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    • For some reason it doens't seem to work for me.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      For some reason it doens't seem to work for me.

      indeed, I tried that twice now on SomeoneYouUsedToKnow's post to illustrate its use(separate times), and it still shows nothing.

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    • Works perfectly fine for me. I just Kudos'd 73's last post.

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    • weird, it does work for you.

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    • 1371084102403
      Jaune, Nora, Ren and Oscar be like:
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    • I recall Oscar being the only one who was confused.

      Am I remembering things wrong guys?

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    • He was initially surprised, but slightly.

      Then he joined RNJ on their happy warm smiles.

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    • MetallicArcher wrote:
      I suppose, when you put it like that... Knowing about Salem could potentially create you Ironwoods all over the 4 Kingdoms and turn everyplace into a borderline police state. Not to mention these new Ironwoods might not be nice but misguided people, but outright dictators.

      That said, I wasn't thinking about Ozpin just coming out and saying "Yup, there is a being called Salem. She is Sapient, looks similar to a human woman, is capable of human speech and has been controlling the Grimm against humanity." but more on sth like "We have pretty strong evidence that older/ancient Grimm can control younger Grimm. It also appears these ancient Grimm can coordinate with each other possibly through another even older Grimm."

      I mean, we haven't really seen how Search & Destroy missions work, but I would think having a more accurate idea on how Grimm behave would make organizing defenses/ofenses more effective.

      I'm not sure how much use it would be to them. We don't know and it may be they don't really know how the Grimm command and control structure works. There may not be any formal leader Grimm that, if taken out, would disrupt the Grimm during a battle. Older Grimm are already established as more dangerous due to being stronger and more intelligent, so they're targets either way. Given how little we know about Salem, it may be their reasons for keeping her existence a secret are about more than just preventing panic.

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    • I feel the need to point out that while elder grim are assumed to be more intelligent, No one who is unaware of Salem is likely thinking that there are grim out there that are just as smart, or smarter than a human. The fear comes from the idea that the various monster that are scattered across the lands, who mostly are mindless save for a few elder grim that a huntsman haven't killed yet, can all be organized into one giant unifeid force. The grim go from being a predator threat, to a full on military threat. And as always that would create more fear, which would increase the amount of grim attacking the 4 Kingdoms.

      -Defcon Deceiver

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    • Ah yes, one thing we always have to keep in mind with the story is that keeping people as blissful as possible is not merely a matter of political convenience, but to some extent a necessary defense mechanism. The more negative people are about things, the greater the danger posed to them. Keep calm and carry on isn't just propaganda on Remnant.

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