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  • So we know that Raven left Taiyang and Yang. Qrow even talked about it with her in Vol. 4. However (much like the circumstances regarding Summer's death), we have no information as to WHY she left. Because of that, what are your theories as to why Raven did what she did.

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    • The most likely reason so far is that she wanted to return to her tribe more than anything.

      A better question would be "why did Qrow and Raven leave their tribe to attend Beacon?".

      Chances are that they wanted to become stronger for some reason.

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    • And Haven was probably out because there was way less chance of someone recognizing them as bandits in Vale as there would be back over in Anima.

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    • Or they were Ozpin's "pet" project....

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    • 67.248.240.148 wrote:
      So we know that Raven left Taiyang and Yang. Qrow even talked about it with her in Vol. 4. However (much like the circumstances regarding Summer's death), we have no information as to WHY she left. Because of that, what are your theories as to why Raven did what she did.

      To me, it was an inner conflict between civilized life and tribal life on Raven's part.  For many years she was part of a world where might did not make right, which went against everything she was taught in the tribe.  Not to mention I detect she was jealous of Summer, even though Raven was stronger Summer was chosen as the leader, which must've really burned her biscuits.  This might've led to the downfall of Team STRQ, which Tai alluded to in "Two Steps Forward, Two Steps Back".  Basically, I'm thinking the reason Raven left was because she couldn't, or possibly wouldn't, turn aside from her tribal ways.  So while she returned to the tribe, she didn't take Yang with her, my theory is she didn't want Yang to become like her, feeling her father was a much better role model.  Or something to this effect.

      73.Anon.52 wrote: Or they were Ozpin's "pet" project....

      Oh yeah, I can see Ozpin working a scheme to bring them to Beacon.  Something like he wanders Anima incognito, and the Branwens try mugging him.  After they are both incapacitated, Ozpin gives them a proposal; join Beacon to put their skills to much better use.  Something like this anyway.

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    • I feel you missed the joke.

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    • I agree that the most likely reason why Raven left was to return to her and Qrow's tribe. The little what we know about her makes it feel like she isn't a person who would be that happy in Kingdoms. Plus the easy life style was probably making her "weak" in Raven's own eyes.

      But why she left Yang and Tai behind? Maybe Tai didn't want to be a bandit causing an argument between them. Maybe Raven thought her love (if there were any) towards Tai was making her weak. Yang was left behind the most likely either because Raven wanted to keep Yang safe or she didn't want a screaming baby to slow her down.

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    • Granaatti wrote:

      But why she left Yang and Tai behind? Maybe Tai didn't want to be a bandit causing an argument between them. Maybe Raven thought her love (if there were any) towards Tai was making her weak. Yang was left behind the most likely either because Raven wanted to keep Yang safe or she didn't want a screaming baby to slow her down.

      If Raven never loved Taiyang, I HIGHLY doubt that she would even think about concieving a child with him. Though I can see why people you think that due to how little info we have about STRQ's backstory. Though I personally think she left to keep Yang safe and away from the bandits.

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    • You do know you don't have to love someone to fuck them, right?

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      You do know you don't have to love someone to fuck them, right?

      but barring rape it does tend to indicate it was consensual at some point

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    • And love is not one of the required emotions necessary for consensual sex. 

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    • Pretty much like Ark said, you don't have to be in love with someone or even have a crush on them to have sex with them. And it's possible that Yang was an accident.

      Pfft, hell, maybe when Raven realized she was pregnant, she was like "Shit.. Wellp. Soon as this bun pops out of my oven, I'm leaving. I don't wanna be a mom."

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    • Although it's kinda weird it went down like that. Is she not allowed to mate outside the tribe or something? I mean Tai had to be pretty strong to get her to want to sleep with him, so a combination of their strength would be an asset to the tribe. Why not take Yang with her?

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    • I like my theory of "it was a drunken one night stand on graduation night, and Raven decided to just use the time to tie up loose ends". Then she had the baby, dumped it on Tai, and skedaddled.

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    • Perhaps Raven did have some feeling for Taiyang, but events got in the way after their fling and Raven ended up having the baby and leaving. Whatever feeling she had has evaporated at this point.

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    • But why not take the baby and strengthen the tribe. 

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    • My theory allows for Raven to not have feelings for Tai, but Tai to still have feelings for Raven. Add in that it's an unexpected pregnancy and Raven may not have wanted to be a mum at all, it does give a reason for her leaving the baby with Tai when she went back to the Tribe.

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    • Honestly, when a baby is first born, it does not let you get a full night of sleep, you're having to feed it almost constantly, it's crying, it's needing its diaper changed a lot, it's just a huge amount of work at the start and then still a pretty large amount of work for the next few years. Maybe Raven felt that it would be too troublesome having to care for a baby and then toddler while living with and, especially, leading a tribe that's constantly moving around, pillaging towns, and trying to avoid Grimm at a moment's notice.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Honestly, when a baby is first born, it does not let you get a full night of sleep, you're having to feed it almost constantly, it's crying, it's needing its diaper changed a lot, it's just a huge amount of work at the start and then still a pretty large amount of work for the next few years.

      ................Did you become a parent/aunt recently?

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      Maybe Raven felt that it would be too troublesome having to care for a baby and then toddler while living with and, especially, leading a tribe that's constantly moving around, pillaging towns, and trying to avoid Grimm at a moment's notice.

      .............How does that tribe even last then?

      I mean, I doubt they just go around, kidnapping kids and turning them into bandits. That's fine in the short term, but not too efficient in the long term.

      Unless Raven and Qrow's old bandit tribe was relatively recent, then it would work.

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    • Not a parent, and I'm an only child, so not an aunt either. =P I've just learned some things about child care, and it makes me think that, if teens were taught that stuff in-depth in school, they'd be even more careful about avoiding pregnancy.

      Personally, I'd imagine that the tribe would have something set up where parents can raise their kids and take off from pillaging and not have to worry as much about fighting or fleeing from Grimm. If they do have something like that, maybe Raven didn't want to have to take a break from that stuff.

      Overall, she could just be one of those people who just generally does not want to raise a kid in any capacity. There are people who don't like caring for kids, and there are women who are completely disinterested in motherhood.

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    • I raised a kitten by hand recently, same deal as a human baby but doesn't take as long. She's basically spot-on.

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    • Couldn't she have just foisted that part off onto someone else and still raise a most likely strong fighter into the tribe?

      Also Chish' description is basically what anyone who has had kids will tell you about it.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      1) Not a parent, and I'm an only child, so not an aunt either. =P I've just learned some things about child care, and it makes me think that, if teens were taught that stuff in-depth in school, they'd be even more careful about avoiding pregnancy.

      2) ......If they do have something like that, maybe Raven didn't want to have to take a break from that stuff.

      1) Yeah, it'd be more effective. It's literally nigh-impossible to teach kids about sex because they cannot take it seriously. You just say "Penis" and they'll laugh for hours.

      Now, if one teaches them that if they don't pay attention to sex-ed, they'll get the girl pregnant (unless they're gay, then they're safe), and if that happens, they'll enter this beautiful place called Hell, they might take it more seriously then.

      2) She wouldn't have to take a break from it though. Assuming they set up camps and stuff (which I imagine they do), at least a couple of bandits would be left behind to guard the camp. For the first few years, Raven could've left Yang in the camp (Which the bandits would guard with their lives, because they wouldn't want to risk pissing off Raven) while she goes off to rape, pillage and burn like true bandits do.

      And then, once Yang's like 3 or 4 years old, Raven teaches her how to be badass like her. The "moraly-questionable and pretty-much-abusive" way.

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    • A Sink-or-Swin Mentor? Apparently Yang would be one herself, if Barbara is to be believed.

      She described Yang as "the kind of person who would teach someone how to swim by pushing them in the water".

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    • I doubt she'd just let them drown if they didn't figure it out though.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      1) Now, if one teaches them that if they don't pay attention to sex-ed, they'll get the girl pregnant (unless they're gay, then they're safe), and if that happens, they'll enter this beautiful place called Hell, they might take it more seriously then.

      2) She wouldn't have to take a break from it though. Assuming they set up camps and stuff (which I imagine they do), at least a couple of bandits would be left behind to guard the camp.

      1. STDs are still a problem, even if you do have gay sex. That's why men still wear condoms when they have sex with another man. And I was taught in Health class that you can get certain STDs orally, as well. Might be one purpose for flavored condoms 'cause you're sure as hell not supposed to use the flavored ones like normal ones, as the flavoring has sugar in it, which... leads to infections.

      2. True. Hopefully they'll eventually tell us why she left Yang behind. It'd make sense for them to tell us, since that's the whole reason Yang is trying to find her in the first place, but with the writing the way it is, there's always the possibility that they just won't.

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    • For some reason, whenever we discuss Raven's tribe, I keep thinking back to Total War: Attila. Them moving around, making camp on the move, and occasionally dicking with the towns in the countryside is just what the Huns do in that game provided you don't nerf them (I am downplaying this. Those respawning T3 deathstacks can go FUCK themselves).

      I'd imagine Raven could raise Yang, but doesn't want  to, or at least didn't (which probably was before she inherited the clan). Leading a clan that can raise itself would probably have been seen as easier than raising a baby on the move.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      1.  And I was taught in Health class that you can get certain STDs orally, as well. Might be one purpose for flavored condoms 'cause you're sure as hell not supposed to use the flavored ones like normal ones, as the flavoring has sugar in it, which... leads to infections.

      Also why dental dams are a thing, but nobody actually knows about that for some reason.

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    • I'm pretty sure the canonically-mentioned personality flaws have been brought up. If she gets her own team disbanded then who's to say what'll happen with a child?

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    • I feel like Raven is a leader of her tribe, and I was thinking she had plans to do. Although, I comprehend that Raven still has Summer in mind because she must have a link regarding the enemy that is behind all the mess was Salem and her Grimm.

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    • I mean, Raven did outright state that she leads the bandit tribe now, so she probably did have plans.

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    • Also I think that Raven never actually mention about her relation with her own daughter Yang. Since, she has her dad besides her and I feel like Raven as mom she should spend more time with her daughter. What can a mom do for her daughter?

      How about family time with her daughter and Taiyang? 

      Mother and daughter time?

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    • Raven saved Yang from being stabbed to death by Neo in Volume 2, and that's apparently all she feels like doing for Yang, since she said she won't save her again. It seems like she may not be interested in being a mother to Yang or doing anything with her.

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    • Chishio has a point...but I just think Raven saved her daughter because of violence towards Yang Xiao Long. If Yang was hurt badly I feel like Raven would have made her appearance.

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    • Kaethescarlet wrote:
      Chishio has a point...but I just think Raven saved her daughter because of violence towards Yang Xiao Long. If Yang was hurt badly I feel like Raven would have made her appearance.

      But... the thing is... Raven somehow knew that Yang was about to be killed by Neo, and she showed up to save Yang. But then, when Adam cut Yang's arm off, Raven did not show up, and in Volume 4, she already knew that Yang lost her arm. Before Yang lost her arm, Qrow told Yang that Raven had said she would not save her again. She kept that promise.

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    • Like when she had her arm chopped off.

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    • Yes, Raven cares enough about Yang to keep tabs on her, but not enough to be an active part of her life.  Naturally she won't admit how much she actually does care, fearing it might be seen as a sign of weakness.  I'm betting she's never even mentioned Yang or Tai to her "family", hoping the tribe will leave them be in that case.  That seems to be the extent of how much she cares about her family in Patch.  Though if some of the bandits learn about Yang, and they might judging from the Trailer, Raven might be put in a difficult position then; protecting her "family," or keeping Yang safe from said family.  But we'll see.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      Naturally she won't admit how much she actually does care, fearing it might be seen as a sign of weakness.

      I kinda thought that Raven's attitude toward Yang actually has to do with her Darwinistic beliefs, rather than her hiding how much she cares to not seem weak. She stated that her belief is that the weak die and the strong live. Having a "You only get one save" policy with Yang could be her way of teaching Yang to be strong enough to stand on her own and save herself instead of expecting someone else to come help her anytime something goes wrong.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      I kinda thought that Raven's attitude toward Yang actually has to do with her Darwinistic beliefs, rather than her hiding how much she cares to not seem weak. She stated that her belief is that the weak die and the strong live. Having a "You only get one save" policy with Yang could be her way of teaching Yang to be strong enough to stand on her own and save herself instead of expecting someone else to come help her anytime something goes wrong.

      Hrm, could be, Yang will definitely be learning to stand on her own in this upcoming Volume, right before she finds Ruby.  And if that's what Raven wants, then she'll go out of her way not to interfere, as long as Yang doesn't interfere with her own plans, whatever they may be.  

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Kaethescarlet wrote:
      Chishio has a point...but I just think Raven saved her daughter because of violence towards Yang Xiao Long. If Yang was hurt badly I feel like Raven would have made her appearance.
      But... the thing is... Raven somehow knew that Yang was about to be killed by Neo, and she showed up to save Yang. But then, when Adam cut Yang's arm off, Raven did not show up, and in Volume 4, she already knew that Yang lost her arm. Before Yang lost her arm, Qrow told Yang that Raven had said she would not save her again. She kept that promise.

      That's another good point...I think you are right. However when Yang lost her own arm as she went unconscious because of Adam's actions slicing her arm off. The only problem with Raven is her responsibility as an adult, since only Yang's dad, and younger sister Ruby is always there for Yang executing her mom Raven. Come to think of it Yang has purple eyes because red eyes and blue eyes make up the color purple which looks lighter, and somewhat darker because of the light source, and values.

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    • Kaethescarlet wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Kaethescarlet wrote:
      Chishio has a point...but I just think Raven saved her daughter because of violence towards Yang Xiao Long. If Yang was hurt badly I feel like Raven would have made her appearance.
      But... the thing is... Raven somehow knew that Yang was about to be killed by Neo, and she showed up to save Yang. But then, when Adam cut Yang's arm off, Raven did not show up, and in Volume 4, she already knew that Yang lost her arm. Before Yang lost her arm, Qrow told Yang that Raven had said she would not save her again. She kept that promise.
      That's another good point...I think you are right. However when Yang lost her own arm as she went unconscious because of Adam's actions slicing her arm off. The only problem with Raven is her responsibility as an adult, since only Yang's dad, and younger sister Ruby is always there for Yang executing her mom Raven. Come to think of it Yang has purple eyes because red eyes and blue eyes make up the color purple which looks lighter, and somewhat darker because of the light source, and values.

      ... what?

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    • <divclass="quote">Arkantos95 wrote:
      <divclass="quote">Kaethescarlet wrote:
      <divclass="quote">ChishioKunrin wrote:
      <divclass="quote">Kaethescarlet wrote:
      Chishio has a point...but I just think Raven saved her daughter because of violence towards Yang Xiao Long. If Yang was hurt badly I feel like Raven would have made her appearance.</div>But... the thing is... Raven somehow knew that Yang was about to be killed by Neo, and she showed up to save Yang. But then, when Adam cut Yang's arm off, Raven did not show up, and in Volume 4, she already knew that Yang lost her arm. Before Yang lost her arm, Qrow told Yang that Raven had said she would not save her again. She kept that promise.</div>That's another good point...I think you are right. However when Yang lost her own arm as she went unconscious because of Adam's actions slicing her arm off. The only problem with Raven is her responsibility as an adult, since only Yang's dad, and younger sister Ruby is always there for Yang executing her mom Raven. Come to think of it Yang has purple eyes because red eyes and blue eyes make up the color purple which looks lighter, and somewhat darker because of the light source, and values.</div>... what? </div>



      Yang cannot sacrifice her own life for the people closest to her. Because they need Yang so much for one good reason, everyone needs to live for who they are dearest, and valuable in reality. And this is the reason why Raven she reminded Taiyang for Yang as huntress who wanted to fight evil is stay with their teammates, live for themselves, and everyone else. Also, another one is learning how to defend themselves if enemy attacks.

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    • I'll say again, what?

      Like, what is the point of what you're trying to say because I legitimately can't understand you.

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    • Maybe Raven left Tai and Yang because she felt that Tai would be a better role model for Yang as she grew older, but slowly detached herself from her daughter when she became the leader of her bandit tribe. Maybe Raven really does consider the bandit tribe to be more of her family than her own biological daughter, which is why Raven pulled the whole, "I'll save you this one time and that's it" thing and didn't feel any remorse when she found out about Yang losing her arm. Aside from that, maybe Qrow enjoyed being in an environment where people actually cared about him, but as one of the other users said a while back, maybe Raven thought life at Beacon was too soft and mushy-gushy. If that's the case, I can kinda see why Qrow would say that his own sister has a twisted sense of what she calls her "family".

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    • 172.114.39.247 wrote:
      Maybe Raven really does consider the bandit tribe to be more of her family than her own biological daughter, which is why Raven pulled the whole, "I'll save you this one time and that's it" thing and didn't feel any remorse when she found out about Yang losing her arm.

      I think she would still do that even if she considers Yang to be somewhat family.

      Remember, she told Qrow her view of the world: "The weak die, the strong live."

      I think her "I'll only save you once" rule was to encourage Yang to get strong enough to stand on her own and help herself instead of expecting someone else to save her. It was her own way of teaching Yang that she can only keep living if she's strong enough.

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    • I know that this isn't really on topic but, how is Raven able to keep tabs on Yang, if that's the case? Also what else does she know then? 

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    • She apparently already knew that Yang lost her arm before Qrow even brought it up. After all, Qrow said "Rhetorical question, I know you know." It seems that both Qrow and Raven have something that allows them to easily gather info and find out about things.

      That said, during the ending narration in End of the Beginning, there was a black bird (either a crow or a raven) outside Yang's window. I think it was a raven that's connected to Raven because it has dark red eyes like Raven. Meanwhile, Qrow's crow had light red eyes like him.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      172.114.39.247 wrote:
      Maybe Raven really does consider the bandit tribe to be more of her family than her own biological daughter, which is why Raven pulled the whole, "I'll save you this one time and that's it" thing and didn't feel any remorse when she found out about Yang losing her arm.
      I think she would still do that even if she considers Yang to be somewhat family.

      Remember, she told Qrow her view of the world: "The weak die, the strong live."

      I think her "I'll only save you once" rule was to encourage Yang to get strong enough to stand on her own and help herself instead of expecting someone else to save her. It was her own way of teaching Yang that she can only keep living if she's strong enough.

      But don't most tribes or packs; even bandit tribes, have some sense of family or camaraderie? I mean, if you're living in a tribe or a pack, then won't you have to rely on others in battle or if you need extra resources? You'd have to share almost everything. And even if the tribe adheres to Raven's "the weak die, the strong live" philosophy, there'd be no point in joining a tribe or pack in the first place if you're just going to rely only on yourself and abandon teammates and children at the first sign of weakness. Not that I'm saying Raven left Yang because of that reason, I'm using that as a semi-general example, because that seems like something Raven and her tribe would do, anyway.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      She apparently already knew that Yang lost her arm before Qrow even brought it up. After all, Qrow said "Rhetorical question, I know you know." It seems that both Qrow and Raven have something that allows them to easily gather info and find out about things.

      That said, during the ending narration in End of the Beginning, there was a black bird (either a crow or a raven) outside Yang's window. I think it was a raven that's connected to Raven because it has dark red eyes like Raven. Meanwhile, Qrow's crow had light red eyes like him.

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      Yeah that makes sense. Thx for the answer it really helped.

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    • Honestly the answer to this whole blog is that Raven is a heartless bitch.

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    • We don't even know that, as for all we know she might actually care about Taiyang or even Yang but was too opinionated and/or confrontational to to fit with them and/or society.

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    • she acts heartless

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    • As Qrow said she just has a weird definition of the word family.

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    • i believe he said "You seem to have a skewed perception of that word."

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    • I don't remember it exactly.

      I'm sure she cares for the people she considers family.

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    • Personally she seems to not give a damn about Yang, never even mentions Tai, and seems to really not like Qrow

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    • I was talking about the Branwen tribe.

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    • oh...

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    • I comprehend that Raven is the only person of her tribe of bandits leads as the leader. She sees her tribe as family I think Qrow as her brother is still part of the Branwen tribe. Even though, he is not always with his sister. And I'm thinking her tribe is super important to her considering she is a bandit.

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    • You know that actually makes a bit of sense. I never thought about that.

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    • So at volume 3 the mega battle with white fang and all those grim monsters at the same time, why the hell didn't Raven come to anybody like Ruby Rose's rescue?

      I mean I'd rather that white coat guy have his head cut off by Raven then being atein by that griffin monster.

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    • First, she couldn't do that since her Semblance requires a bond to someone to form a portal.

      Second, she almost certainly wouldn't know that Ruby was in danger.

      Third, she doesn't care about Ruby.

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    • She really doesn’t give a crap about Ruby, considering she wanted Yang to abandon her and join the bandit tribe despite being all about “family”. Ruby is literally a nonentity in her mind; unimportant being knowing that she is Yang’s half sister and teammate.

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    • Speaking of Raven's semblance will we ever learn how she knew Yang was in danger or should we assume she was always near waiting for that one save.

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    • That seems like a logical evolution her Semblance. More than super speed > splitting into three streams of rose petals.

      Those people she has/had "strong" bonds with are the anchors/conduits for her portals. Being able to at least sense that there is a general threat in the vicinity, if not sense the situation in greater detail is very useful for someone who opens portals in the general vicinity of people who are quite likely to be in dangerous situations.


      On the other hand, maybe she took an interest in her daughter's first mission. She seemed quite interested in her daughter's future when she came to the camp. If that was the case, she might have been watching as a bird.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      That seems like a logical evolution her Semblance. More than super speed > splitting into three streams of rose petals.

      Those people she has/had "strong" bonds with are the anchors/conduits for her portals. Being able to at least sense that there is a general threat in the vicinity, if not sense the situation in greater detail is very useful for someone who opens portals in the general vicinity of people who are quite likely to be in dangerous situations.

      I'd wager that she has some sense of the portals stabiliy, so injuring a bonded person causes some kind of reverberation she can sense through her portal network, like a spider sensing damage to its web, then she makes a mini-portal she can look through or fly through.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      First, she couldn't do that since her Semblance requires a bond to someone to form a portal.

      Second, she almost certainly wouldn't know that Ruby was in danger.

      Third, she doesn't care about Ruby.

      So Raven rather fight Ruby? If so and if Ruby found out Raven is Yang's biolagical mother make her the half sister and gets shocked to the core, will this become a mega emomational bloodbath? if so will she have enough manpower after the fight with the horseman?

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    • Ruby knows. It's apparently common knowledge among their friends since even Jaune knows.

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    • Jaune knew inmediately that Raven was Yang's mom.

      The only people who could've told him, and by extension the rest of the team, about Raven and Yang, are Ruby, and Qrow.

      Now, which one sounds more likely to have shared that detail with RNJ?

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    • Ok how the HELL would Jaune know? He's never even SEEN the woman.

      Also I now retract my statement from a month ago about raven being a complete bitch. She's actually kinda coll now that I watched V5E6. She just wants a fresh start and she feels bad about acting like a bitch.

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    • I must admit (or it would be an admission, but I don't feel guilty enough to be torn by it) that moment felt stupid to me, and felt sort of impersonal, since that kind of thing should have been Yang's sole secret (with the exception of Blake, who needed to hear it at that point).

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    • Yeah... Ruby definitely knows, since she gasped when Lionheart said Raven. And then Jaune chimed in with "Yang's mom?"

      I do still feel like that was really stupid, and I can't help but feel like the only reason they had Jaune get informed about it off-screen was just so he'd immediately be on the same page so they wouldn't have to spend time telling him in that scene... even though it would've only taken a few seconds. Literally all they would've had to do is

      Lionheart: Raven...

      Ruby: *Le gasp*

      Jaune: Who?

      Ruby: Y-Yang's mom... I'll... explain later...

      Boom, done. Jaune is now on the same page without it seeming like Ruby just blabbed to everyone about Yang's mom off-screen for some unknown reason, and it only took three lines of dialogue and a dramatic gasp.

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    • Ah ok. That makes sense. They should REALLY make that more clear.

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    • Just when did Ruby figure it out?

      Did Qrow told her the truth?

      Sorry I'm new to RWBY.

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    • Actually I was wondering the same things. I'm not exactly new to RWBY. I've been watching since mid S3 and am still confused about some plot holes.

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    • Probably the same time Yang found out.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Just when did Ruby figure it out?

      Did Qrow told her the truth?

      Sorry I'm new to RWBY.

      I'm leaning towards the end of the Yellow Trailer, when Yang begins with "It's a long story," and then the screen fades to black.  Be the perfect place for it without explaining the whole thing, something like this anyway.

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    • Ahhh OK. THAT makes sense. I never thought about why Yang said that.

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    • It's the Yellow trailer?

      Aern't they awere that no weapons used in the bar?

      They will be bloodshed and there will be a huge cleaning bill.

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    • Bro this a bar in a world where a lot of crazy shit goes down. They have to be prepared. And besides that a good Huntsmen/Huntress never leaves without their weapon.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Just when did Ruby figure it out?

      Did Qrow told her the truth?

      Sorry I'm new to RWBY.

      I'm leaning towards the end of the Yellow Trailer, when Yang begins with "It's a long story," and then the screen fades to black.  Be the perfect place for it without explaining the whole thing, something like this anyway.

      Plus, in Volume 1 Episode 1, when Ruby is talking to Ozpin, she says "My parents taught us to help others", which means she knew even back then.

      What she means by "My parents" is "Summer and Taiyang". Tai is the father of both of them, but Yang's parents are Tai and Raven.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      Plus, in Volume 1 Episode 1, when Ruby is talking to Ozpin, she says "My parents taught us to help others", which means she knew even back then.

      What she means by "My parents" is "Summer and Taiyang". Tai is the father of both of them, but Yang's parents are Tai and Raven.

      Eh, that feels like a stretch. I've heard countless times of people with siblings, blood-related or not, referring to their parents as "Mine" while referring to themselves and their sibling(s) as "Us". And not just in real life, but on the internet too.

      Seriously, most people don't say "Our parents", they just say "My parents". Just like they don't say "Our dad" or "Our mom", they say "My dad" or "My mom".


      I think Ruby was told one day, years before Vol.1, and she just told RNJ at some point during their seasons-long journey. Why, I don't know, we never got anything as simple as them sitting in a camp and talking about the past. Maybe it just came up one day.

      Or maybe Qrow told them at some point between being cured in Mistral and V5E1, also for some reason.

      ............................Actually, that makes a bit of sense. He thought that Raven's tribe had the Spring Maiden, and they were going to talk to Lionheart about that. It wouldn't be too unbelievable that he mentioned Yang's relation to Raven while informing RNJR (maybe he was drunk).

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      1. Eh, that feels like a stretch. I've heard countless times of people with siblings, blood-related or not, referring to their parents as "Mine" while referring to themselves and their sibling(s) as "Us". And not just in real life, but on the internet too.

      Seriously, most people don't say "Our parents", they just say "My parents". Just like they don't say "Our dad" or "Our mom", they say "My dad" or "My mom".


      2. I think Ruby was told one day, years before Vol.1, and she just told RNJ at some point during their seasons-long journey. Why, I don't know, we never got anything as simple as them sitting in a camp and talking about the past. Maybe it just came up one day.

      1. But they say that when only talking about themselves, whereas Ruby was talking about both herself and Yang. She had mentioned Yang right before then. "You see, my sister's starting there this year, and she's trying to become a Huntress, and I'm trying to become a Huntress 'cause I wanna help people. My parents always taught us to help others, so" In that situation, it would still be easy to understand her if she said "Our parents taught us", rather than "My parents taught us".

      2. Still seems reasonable that Yang told her at the end of the Yellow Trailer. Ruby asked "What're you doing here?", Yang went "*Sigh* It's a long story", and it faded to black. If Ruby had already found out years ago, then Yang could've just said "Looking for my mom" instead of "It's a long story" because Ruby would've already known the "long story". The Yellow Trailer takes place just a while before Volume 1, considering Roman was there hiring henchmen from Junior, and those henchmen were the ones helping him rob Dust shops. So, Ruby probably found out within a year before Volume 1, not years ago.

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    • People don't always use proper grammar, especially when they're beginning to babble.

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    • WC has a point. It's not often you hear someone speaking proper English. Honestly proper English isn't used too much.

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    • I think if Ruby only found out after the Yellow trailer it would have been a bigger deal that would have gone into Vol. 1. Like she would have been hurt by such a secret being kept from her until she was fifteen. I feel it is much more likely that she only found out soon after Yang did. Especially after Yang had almost gotten them killed when they were kids. She would have questioned that for years if no one told her what was going on.

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    • Not really, it only formed together at around V1's end, so they couldn't really focus on it without it becoming awkward.

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    • Yeah that's true but then why would she ask "What are you doing here?" at the end of the Yellow trailer?

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    • So Yang could answer "it's a long story" to explain the wacky hijinks she got into. Actually, I think the idea for Yang having a different mother was there from the beginning, but not the design. Still, the way Ruby's been, it probably wasn't that big a deal.

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    • God point but thats just the way Ruby is.

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    • I've legit been told that what makes English "so difficult" isn't that it has a ton of rules, but that those rules can be dismissed and ignored as one feels like.


      @Chish: It could be that Ruby knows she and Yang are half-sisters. But not that Yang's on a life-quest to find her mother. It makes sense; some people find out X parent(s) was not their biological parent, and yet have no interest in looking for their real parent(s). And it's not like Yang talks about it too much.

      Ruby could've also found out at some point between the Y-Trailer and V5E1, basically a year and half. Hell, maybe after Burning the Candle, similar to how Blake's "secret" was shared with JNPR even though it was meant to be kept "secret".

      There's also the idea I mentioned afterwards via an edit. That Qrow told them, maybe while drunk, as he told them about Raven's tribe and them having the Spring Maiden.

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    • Only up until it becomes incomprehensible. The basic gist is that as long as the spirit of the sentence is preserved, the rules fall silent.

      Example: the classic "Me and my friends" vs. the correct "My friends and I." The second one is technically correct, but most people verbally say the first due to how easily it rolls off the tongue.

      Small fact: The English language also keeps making up words. Every other language has given up on making up words for them and just adopted them whole sale.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      Only up until it becomes incomprehensible. The basic gist is that as long as the spirit of the sentence is preserved, the rules fall silent.

      Example: the classic "Me and my friends" vs. the correct "My friends and I." The second one is technically correct, but most people verbally say the first due to how easily it rolls off the tongue.

      Small fact: The English language also keeps making up words. Every other language has given up on making up words for them and just adopted them whole sale.

      Ehhh, it also depends on what the rest of the sentence is.

      "He told me and my friends" is correct, whereas "He told my friends and I" is not. The easy way to figure out if it's correct or not is to remove the part about "my friends". So, compare "He told me" vs "He told I".

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    • could we please skip the grammar lesson . I fucking hate grammar. gives me a headache.

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    • Then you don't plan on doing too much writing then :P

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    • My fanfics. Thats it. I write the way I see other authors write. I read a bunch and I take the way they write and describe tings and use that for my fanfics. I have amazing spelling but honestly I couldn't care less for complete proper grammar.

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    • MajoraSolaris wrote:
      could we please skip the grammar lesson . I fucking hate grammar. gives me a headache.

      1) It is incorrect to place a space inmediately before a sentence-finishing period.

      2) One must begin every sentence in uppercase. Not lowercase.

      TheMoreYouKnow
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    • i know this. im online tho so i dont give a fuck

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    • It is very important though. Trust me, there are some fanfics out there that have great premises but are unbearable to read because of bad spelling, bad grammar, and/or bad format.

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    • I try to make my fanfics as readable as possible. I love reading them and I've read some good ones and some cringewrothy ones. I've gotten some feedback on mine so far and have been told they were good. When I write, I make sure everything is good and able to be read. Trust me my stuff is always readable. Maybe when I first started I never exactly had paragraphs but now I've fixed that with advice from friends. I prefer to make my stuff one paragraph during this kind of thing.

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    • (sighs) I think Qrow needs to stop drunking that stuff before he throws a drunken swing at one of his own teammate instead of his sister.

      I mean if Qrow doesn't silver up he won't do any good fighting and then Raven will recrut her daughter Yang already.

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    • No. Qrow being drunk is the only thing that makes him unique. Without alcohol, he is just a less friendly Tai. 

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      (sighs) I think Qrow needs to stop drunking that stuff before he throws a drunken swing at one of his own teammate instead of his sister.

      I mean if Qrow doesn't silver up he won't do any good fighting and then Raven will recrut her daughter Yang already.

      Literally none of what you just said is true, and shows you have no understanding of any of the characters you mentioned.

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    • I'm sorry but the first RWBY character I saw was Yang and she's in Death Battle being victorus against Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7.

      But don't worry I'll go deeper I only seen 4 volumes looking forward to 5th.

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    • Get thee to a computer as soon as thou can. This wiki only protects you from the spoilers of an episodes that are limited to FIRST members. Once an episode is available for viewing to those with a free RT account, the wiki is updated.

      I forget the specifics, but apparently Tifa should have crushed Yang.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      I'm sorry but the first RWBY character I saw was Yang and she's in Death Battle being victorus against Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7.

      I feel sorry for you, because that battle was awful and there was absolutely no reason why Yang should have won it.

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    • Yeah....Pro Tifa vs Newbie Yang should not have ended in a Yang win. If it was done at the end of the series where it was Pro Yang vs Pro Tifa, then maybe, or if they'd gone with Newbie Tifa vs Newbie Yang, then maybe. But end of FF7 Tifa vs Beginning of RWBY Yang is a nobrainer in Tifa's favour.

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    • Doesn't Pro Tifa literally kickbox gods?

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    • Yup.

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    • Yeah I gues Deathbattles favors some characters more than others.

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    • @Deadly

      V5 Episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thTOWKiNnx4

      V5 Episode 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0c_qab80NE

      V5 Episode 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVXb-VAdvto

      V5 Episode 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHg08RnpSqY

      V5 Episode 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxeUUR7E2Q

      V5 Episode 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUuDbQeGlCY

      Do Not Come Back To This Wiki Until You Have Seen Up to Episode 6! After that we can talk about how to get a free account.

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    • lol RWBY V5 is my fave so far. The other volumes were great but 5 is even better.

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    • Death Battles is biased up the wazoo. They pick and pull from whatever game/comic they want for certain characters, and then deny the opposing character the same range of abilities to pull from. Or they make a character act in an out of character way purely for the spectacle of the show.

      The one I am thinking of for characters acting out of character purely for the spectable is Android 18 vs Captain Marvel. I agree with the result, but I disagree with how they went about it, and they went about it the way they did because it made for a more visually spectacular fight.

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    • So how biased do you think Maka vs Ruby is gonna be? I love them both and know all there abilities and I'm still not sure who would really win.

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    • Honestly, given that Screw Attack is now affiliated/working with RoosterTeeth, I'm expecting a Ruby win. I don't know Maka's abilities, but I can see them pulling some shit like "Silver Eyes affects people with Darkness inside them, like when Cinder had the Grimm in her and Maka has the Black Blood in her" or something, and using it to explain why she wins.

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    • Well Maka is useless without her weapon/partner Soul who is a "Demon Weapon" so soem bullshit might be pulled saying that since Soul is a DEMON Weapon he'll be effected  by the Silver eyes. Maka has a bunch of Anti-evil/Anti-Demon abilities as well as skill with a scythe. In the anime she is also part demon weapon.

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    • I think Spirit is right that they'll mostly focus on the black blood, which affects both Maka and Soul.

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    • Yeah, bias seems quite likely there.

      With limited knowledge at best, for most of the franchises they represent, I just watch and enjoy the numbers, backstory, and mayhem. My biggest complaint about some of their recent battles is insufficient buildup and mayhem to state my sometimes worrying appetite for destruction.

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    • MajoraSolaris wrote:
      Well Maka is useless without her weapon/partner Soul who is a "Demon Weapon" so soem bullshit might be pulled saying that since Soul is a DEMON Weapon he'll be effected  by the Silver eyes. Maka has a bunch of Anti-evil/Anti-Demon abilities as well as skill with a scythe. In the anime she is also part demon weapon.

      god.... I just had the terrifying image of them trying to decide the battle by Quantifying "bravery" vs "Innocence".... I really hated Soul Eater's ending.

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    • What a horrible idea to put into action. Yeah, bravery beating the Kishin was annoying.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      What a horrible idea to put into action.

      Yeah, bravery beating the Kishin was annoying.

      well, it wouldn't have been so bad.... except that it then insinuates no-one was ever brave before that point which makes no g'ddamn sense whatsoever.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      (sighs) I think Qrow needs to stop drunking that stuff before he throws a drunken swing at one of his own teammate instead of his sister.

      I mean if Qrow doesn't silver up he won't do any good fighting and then Raven will recrut her daughter Yang already.

      Considering his only remaining teammate is in Patch, that doesn't seem very likely, regardless of how he and Tai feel about each other.

      And he won't try fighting Raven when he's drunk, especially when they're equal in fighting terms.  And Yang has no intention of becoming a bandit, she's much better off as a Huntress, so Raven has all but no chance of recruiting her.  More likely, if her tribe gets wiped out and she escapes certain death, she might seek out Yang's assistance because she'll have no one left at that point.  Would be most ironic, I must say, be nice if it actually comes true.  But we'll see.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Sentry 616 wrote:
      What a horrible idea to put into action.

      Yeah, bravery beating the Kishin was annoying.

      well, it wouldn't have been so bad.... except that it then insinuates no-one was ever brave before that point which makes no g'ddamn sense whatsoever.

      I really need to finish the manga, but from what I've seen, it's way better than the anime, and I wish the anime could have gotten to actually follow it more closely. I've read up to Spoiler when they headed up to the moon to fight 'n stuff, and I think Noah went into the cave that is the moon's nose, I don't remember. End Spoiler But yeah, the way the anime took stuff that had happened in the manga and went in a different direction with it, with different explanations for stuff that happened, kinda sucked compared to the manga. Not to mention that the whole thing about the Book of Eibon being gone from the library got set up early enough to make it into the anime, but the anime didn't really get to give it any pay-off, though I guess that's fine, since it was a whole arc in the manga.

      I've also been procrastinating on continuing to read Tokyo Ghoul, to where I'm still early on, and yet I can already see it's better than the anime. Sheesh.

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    • Att eh endo of the series neither Maka nor Soul have the black blood anymore but with the bias being there they'll exclude that from the details just like they forgot Cloud's Knights of the Round summon.

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    • Okay back on topic why can't Leo let Qrow, Ruby and the rest just go bust into the Branwen Tribe and take Raven out?

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    • Honestly I want to know that myself. Now that we're on the topic of my all time least favorite RWBY character, Lionheart., I find him to be the biggest coward we've seen in RWBY yet. Not just a coward, a spineless one at that and a traitor.

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    • Because he is working with Salem. Better to informer her instead and let her get to the Maiden first.

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    • Unless Qrow finds out and guts him like a pig.

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    • You know what?

      I agree!

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    • I really don't like him. I'm sorry. At the end of V4 I was excited to see him until I saw he was talking to Watts. I thought there mightve been a logical explanation for it but sadly none that redeems him in my eyes.

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    • I'm not quite convinced that its just fear that is motivating Leo to work with Salem. If it was just that he could just go to Qrow and reveal everything. Qrow definitely wouldn't be happy but wouldn't kill him on the spot like Salem would. I think there is something else that Salem has that is keeping Leo under her thumb.

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    • Or it just goes with his character basis, The Cowardly Lion. Going by that, I think in the end he'll get ballsy and then pretty much say "screw you" to Salem.

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    • Is it me or did someone watched the Wizard of Oz too many times?

      Or did Raven recuited her daughter Yang already and Ruby will be afraid?

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    • Actually it says here on the wiki that Ozpins and his group are all based off of Wizard of Oz.

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    • Ozpin alludes to the wizard in The Wizard of Oz. The initials of the wizard's full name even spell OZPINHEAD.

      Ironwood alludes to the Tin Man. Half his body is robotic, Qrow said "Sometimes I wonder if he even has a heart" as a reference to the Tin Man wanting a heart, and if I remember right, the Tin Man chopped trees and ironwood is a type of tree.

      Glynda alludes to Glinda the Good Witch. It's... pretty much literally her name - Glynda Goodwitch.

      Lionheart alludes to the Cowardly Lion. The name/word "Leo" has connection with lions, his last name literally has "Lion" in it, and he is shown to be somewhat of a nervous and skittish nature.

      Oscar seems to allude to Dorothy. Both of them lived on a farm with their aunt, wanted something more than just life on the farm, and unexpectedly ended up going on a journey.

      Qrow more likely alludes to Muninn from Norse mythology, though, not the Scarecrow.

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    • There's also the mirror tie in with Oscar, as in one of the sequels Dorothy talks to Princess Ozma throguh a mirror and Oscar first hears Ozpin when he looks in a mirror.

      It's highly likely that the Scarecrow character is the Headmaster of Shade, considering the other Wizard of Oz characters have all been Headmasters/high ups in the running of an Academy.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Qrow more likely alludes to Muninn from Norse mythology, though, not the Scarecrow.

      Or he alludes to both. I feel that it would be rather odd for RT to have two characters in the group who's names are going to have allude to crows.

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    • True. Yeah when I'm bored I try to find who/what a character is based around. I still wanna know if Ren alludes to anyone/anything besides a person from classic asian culture. All of JNPR except him is a character from a myth who dressed as the opposite gender. Jaune is Joan of Arc who dressed like a man just so she could fight in the French Army. Pyrrha is Achilles although I don't know the reasoning Achilles dressed like a woman. And Nora is Thor in a wedding dress so that he could keep on of the most powerful goddesses out of the hands of the giants.

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Qrow more likely alludes to Muninn from Norse mythology, though, not the Scarecrow.
      Or he alludes to both. I feel that it would be rather odd for RT to have two characters in the group who's names are going to have allude to crows.

      Corvids, Jaric.

      @Majora: Ren is based on Hua Mulan (in fact all of JNPR are based on warriors who crossdressed at some point in their adventures). 

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    • Ren alludes to Mulan.

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    • Ahhhhh FINALLY! I FINALLY FOUND OUT WHO REN WAS BASED ON! Thank you to the both of you.

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    • ....I'm pretty sure I told you who he was based on like a month ago, when you brought this subject up elsewhere.

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    • You...did? I honestly don't remember but you probably did. So, oops.

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    • MajoraSolaris wrote:

      1. Pyrrha is Achilles although I don't know the reasoning Achilles dressed like a woman.

      2. And Nora is Thor in a wedding dress so that he could keep on of the most powerful goddesses out of the hands of the giants.

      1. Achilles dressed as a red-haired woman named Pyrrha to avoid being dragged into a war.

      2. Thor was also trying to get his hammer back.

      Mulan dressed as a man to sneak into the Chinese army.

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    • Ahh thanks Chishi. I love my Greek mythology but I never heard that one before. I find that to be very strange.

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    • Oh now we're talking mythology are we?

      And back on topic like we supose to, what about Raven Branwen?

      What's the story behind her name?

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    • The story behind her name? What do you mean?

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    • A raven.

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    • Yeah a Raven.

      Do you think there's a story behind the Raven like the Crow?

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    • No.

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    • Short and sweet. I like it.

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    • What do you mean No?

      I thought someone would walk around, look up the tree and wondered "hey was that a raven?"

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    • Why? Ravens aren't uncommon birds. And Raven and Qrow had their names before they were given the ability to turn into birds.

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    • Oh if you mean her basis then she's based off of either Hugin or Muunin from Norse legends. They were Odin's pets that were his "eyes".

      Edit: As Nora says in V5E7 "Oooooh! Qrow? Raven? I get it, now!"

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    • So ravens aren't uncommon.

      Now I get it!

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Yeah a Raven.

      Do you think there's a story behind the Raven like the Crow?

      I think there is story behind the Raven like the Crow there are many different stories based off the Raven like the Crow. Like the one with Greek mythology...


      http://www.theoi.com/Heroine/Koronis.html

      In Greek mythology the white Raven was tainted black by Apollon he felt gulty after he commanded Artemis to slay Coronis.

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    • In Greek mythology the white Raven was tainted black by Apollon he felt gulty after he commanded Artemis to slay Coronis.

      Kind of like---in theroy--- Salem (the dark) tainting Raven (the white) upon asking her to kill the Maidens and taking their powers?  I honestly think Salem had an eye on Raven prior to setting her sights on Cinder. Only difference is Raven said no while Cinder said yes. Salem knew Raven had a family though and used it as leverage. Hence why Raven left and didn't warn the others of what Salem was planning. 

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    • Okay and another question. It maybe stubid but what will happen if Yang decides to join the Branwen tribe of her own free will.

      Will Qrow and team RNJR be in big trouble that Ruby will hasitade?

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    • Okay whoever removed that because it's spoiler, that's it!

      Anybody know when volume 5 be on blu-ray or DVD?

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Okay whoever removed that because it's spoiler, that's it!

      Anybody know when volume 5 be on blu-ray or DVD?

      No idea. And it's only a spoiler until the episode comes out for non-FIRST users on Rooster Teeth's website on Tuesday at 10 AM Central Time, so... about 24 hours from now.

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    • As to why Raven left Tai will was hinted at being revealed next season. This could get fun.

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    • I think it was my comment that was deleted. I mentioned why I think Raven felt the need to explain herself to Yang and seems overly defensive of her actions in the final episode. To be clear, she loves Yang. Why else would she watch her all the time unless she cared about her? The only way to protect her was to leave her and Taiyang (see my previous comment). As for explaining a lot of her actions, my thoughts trail to the tribe's mentality that the strong live and the weak die. Raven realizes that Salem isn't a fight she can win, but she can do whatever she can to protect what is important to her in the mean time. She doesn't care who she has to hurt or betray if it means her family is safe. This includes the people she loves. Her family may hate her but they are safe and alive, so she sees it as a necessary sacrifice to keep them away from Salem's wrath. 

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    • MajoraSolaris wrote:
      As to why Raven left Tai will was hinted at being revealed next season. This could get fun.

      Did RT reveal that?  It'd be cool if we finally got the answers we've been waiting years for, I know I'm looking forward to the upcoming scenes between Raven and Tai.

      Kinematics33 wrote: I think it was my comment that was deleted. I mentioned why I think Raven felt the need to explain herself to Yang and seems overly defensive of her actions in the final episode. To be clear, she loves Yang. Why else would she watch her all the time unless she cared about her? The only way to protect her was to leave her and Taiyang (see my previous comment). As for explaining a lot of her actions, my thoughts trail to the tribe's mentality that the strong live and the weak die. Raven realizes that Salem isn't a fight she can win, but she can do whatever she can to protect what is important to her in the mean time. She doesn't care who she has to hurt or betray if it means her family is safe. This includes the people she loves. Her family may hate her but they are safe and alive, so she sees it as a necessary sacrifice to keep them away from Salem's wrath. 

      Well she certainly can't hope to defeat Salem alone, I wonder if she actually faced off against her, and barely escaped with her life, that would definitely explain why she's so terrified of Salem.  Though I'd agree that her "might makes right" philospohy overrode what she learned at Beacon.  But Yang wants to fight Salem, regardless of how powerful she may be, she has the courage that Raven lacks.  Hopefully her time with Tai will help her learn what true strength is.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      MajoraSolaris wrote:
      As to why Raven left Tai will was hinted at being revealed next season. This could get fun.
      Did RT reveal that?  It'd be cool if we finally got the answers we've been waiting years for, I know I'm looking forward to the upcoming scenes between Raven and Tai.

      Kinematics33 wrote: I think it was my comment that was deleted. I mentioned why I think Raven felt the need to explain herself to Yang and seems overly defensive of her actions in the final episode. To be clear, she loves Yang. Why else would she watch her all the time unless she cared about her? The only way to protect her was to leave her and Taiyang (see my previous comment). As for explaining a lot of her actions, my thoughts trail to the tribe's mentality that the strong live and the weak die. Raven realizes that Salem isn't a fight she can win, but she can do whatever she can to protect what is important to her in the mean time. She doesn't care who she has to hurt or betray if it means her family is safe. This includes the people she loves. Her family may hate her but they are safe and alive, so she sees it as a necessary sacrifice to keep them away from Salem's wrath. 

      Well she certainly can't hope to defeat Salem alone, I wonder if she actually faced off against her, and barely escaped with her life, that would definitely explain why she's so terrified of Salem.  Though I'd agree that her "might makes right" philospohy overrode what she learned at Beacon.  But Yang wants to fight Salem, regardless of how powerful she may be, she has the courage that Raven lacks.  Hopefully her time with Tai will help her learn what true strength is.

      You're right. She can't defeat Salem alone. Though, I don't think that has been Raven's objective. Her priorities were to keep Salem away from her family by removing herself from the equation and refusing to help Ozpin. I think Salem approached her prior to bringing Cinder under her tuitlage, but Raven said no. Salem was probably pissed she got rejected and Raven realized she might take her anger out on Taiyang and Yang. Hence why Raven left and keeps up the facade than she wants nothing to do with her family. I hope she does come around and spends some time with Tai. I really want them to be a happy family, at least for a short while! 

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    • I am sceptical about the theory of Raven leaving in order to protect Taiyang and Yang, Volume 5 had made it clear that even if she's ashamed of that and that she still care for them she still values her own survival more than Taiyang and Yang's one. Besides Qrow, Summer and Taiyang have all worked too against Salem for years and yet there hasn't been any attack from Salem or her lieutnants against their family on Patch.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      67.248.240.148 wrote:
      So we know that Raven left Taiyang and Yang. Qrow even talked about it with her in Vol. 4. However (much like the circumstances regarding Summer's death), we have no information as to WHY she left. Because of that, what are your theories as to why Raven did what she did.
      To me, it was an inner conflict between civilized life and tribal life on Raven's part.  For many years she was part of a world where might did not make right, which went against everything she was taught in the tribe.  Not to mention I detect she was jealous of Summer, even though Raven was stronger Summer was chosen as the leader, which must've really burned her biscuits.  This might've led to the downfall of Team STRQ, which Tai alluded to in "Two Steps Forward, Two Steps Back".  Basically, I'm thinking the reason Raven left was because she couldn't, or possibly wouldn't, turn aside from her tribal ways.  So while she returned to the tribe, she didn't take Yang with her, my theory is she didn't want Yang to become like her, feeling her father was a much better role model.  Or something to this effect.


      73.Anon.52 wrote: Or they were Ozpin's "pet" project....

      Oh yeah, I can see Ozpin working a scheme to bring them to Beacon.  Something like he wanders Anima incognito, and the Branwens try mugging him.  After they are both incapacitated, Ozpin gives them a proposal; join Beacon to put their skills to much better use.  Something like this anyway.

      Was Raven stronger than Summer, tho? How do we define this? By the very definition, Summer would be stronger than Raven, if pitched against the Grimm, due to her nature. Also, the Silver-Eyed Warriors are natural warleaders.

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    • 37.136.11.69 wrote:Was Raven stronger than Summer, tho? How do we define this? By the very definition, Summer would be stronger than Raven, if pitched against the Grimm, due to her nature. Also, the Silver-Eyed Warriors are natural warleaders.

      Being a leader doesn't mean one is stronger, it means that one is more capable of leading.  And I'm betting Summer had the leadership qualities that Raven lacked, hence why she was chosen as leader and their group was christened Team STRQ.  Of course this went against everything Raven was taught, so I can imagine she threw a fit over being snubbed, even worse than Weiss in season 1.

      I can imagine they were sort of like Nathan (the hero) and Hugh (his rival) from Castlevania: Circle of the Moon.  Hugh was the stronger ogf the two, won all of their sparring matches, yet Nathan was chosen to wield the Belmont Whip nonetheless.  And Hugh didn't understand why until after he was defeated late in the game.  Though I wonder if Raven ever understood why Summer was chosen, since she still maintains that strength rules all.  Maybe we'll find out in this upcoming Volume.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:

      37.136.11.69 wrote:Was Raven stronger than Summer, tho? How do we define this? By the very definition, Summer would be stronger than Raven, if pitched against the Grimm, due to her nature. Also, the Silver-Eyed Warriors are natural warleaders.

      Being a leader doesn't mean one is stronger, it means that one is more capable of leading.  And I'm betting Summer had the leadership qualities that Raven lacked, hence why she was chosen as leader and their group was christened Team STRQ.  Of course this went against everything Raven was taught, so I can imagine she threw a fit over being snubbed, even worse than Weiss in season 1.

      I can imagine they were sort of like Nathan (the hero) and Hugh (his rival) from Castlevania: Circle of the Moon.  Hugh was the stronger ogf the two, won all of their sparring matches, yet Nathan was chosen to wield the Belmont Whip nonetheless.  And Hugh didn't understand why until after he was defeated late in the game.  Though I wonder if Raven ever understood why Summer was chosen, since she still maintains that strength rules all.  Maybe we'll find out in this upcoming Volume.

      Maybe she'll come to understand why Summer was chosen as leader in the next volume after realizing her own faults.

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    • Or maybe Raven didn't give much, if any damns about Summer being the leader and not her. Maybe she "understood" why (Raven and Qrow were literally sent there to git gud so that Huntsmen and Grimm didn't kick their asses. Summer, we can assume she went to a combat school and was thus ahead of them in that regard).

      Or she did but it lasted like 1 episode IOW a single day, like with Weiss and Ruby.

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    • Wait! What the hell made you think Summer Rose is leader of team STRQ?

      She does not have Soul Calibur, Raven does when she's Spring Maiden.

      Did she kill her with the holy sword?

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    • ............I assume that was meant to be a joke?

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    • Well you're saying that Raven didn't kill Summer?

      If Raven didn't kill Summer then who?

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    • Summer was the leader of STRQ; in the beginning of V3 Ruby is talking to her gravestone and mentions that she is the leader of Team RWBY, "Like mother like daughter". There's also the fact that the leader's name is always the first initial of the team name, and STRQ starts with an S.

      And we don't know who killed Summer, but so far it has been implied that she was killed by Salem's lot. When they talk about the Silver Eyed People in early V4, Hazel asks why Cinder had so much trouble with a novice when 'they've dealt with their kind before'.

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    • @Deadlyblossom: These are really dumb questions. Did you watch the recent Volumes?

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    • Raven had no reason to kill Summer.

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    • ACWeapons wrote: @Deadlyblossom: These are really dumb questions. Did you watch the recent Volumes?

      (sighs) 5 so far waiting for volume 5 to be on Blu-Ray/DVD

      And for your Information Ruby has no right to boss big sister around so that's why she's better off with team RNJR.

      And there's only one way that it's like mother like daughter in leadership and that's if she fight and defeat Zasalamel in Death Battle.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote: @Deadlyblossom: These are really dumb questions. Did you watch the recent Volumes?

      (sighs) 5 so far waiting for volume 5 to be on Blu-Ray/DVD

      You can watch all of the episodes of Volume 5 on Rooster Teeth's Youtube channel right now, completely for free.

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    • Doubt Raven could actually kill Summer. Summer is no pansy from what we can tell.

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    • I did watch all episodes of volume 5 and saw something epic.

      Raven vs Cinder. When Cinder found out Raven is the real Spring Maiden, I was shocked.

      And they fought each other and Cinder's Fall Maiden powers grew Soul Edge and Raven's Spring Maiden powers grew Soul Calibur.

      And they clash with them and an earthquake shakes the upper floor and everyone except Yang who was on her way down got affected by Soul Edge and Soul Calibur and they broke. Damn that battle was so epic.

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    • They're not Soul Edge or Soul Calibur. They have nothing to do with those swords. They're just swords made from elements (Ice/Wind in Raven's case and Earth/Fire in Cinder's case).

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    • Yeah I knew that, but on You Tube there is this reactor named murder of birds who saw Raven vs Cinder and he think they were Soul Edge and Soul Calibur so find that reaction video on You Tube to believe me.

      Sorry I'm into way too much of Siegfried vs Nightmare.

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    • I don't watch other people react to tv shows. I find more enjoyment watching them play video games or watching the shows or playing the games myself.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Yeah I knew that, but on You Tube there is this reactor named murder of birds who saw Raven vs Cinder and he think they were Soul Edge and Soul Calibur so find that reaction video on You Tube to believe me.

      Sorry I'm into way too much of Siegfried vs Nightmare.

      MoB is not an official RT source, and in addition to that is a goddamn moron.

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    • Not a fighting game fan are you? But if you were I thought we all look forward to Blazblue Cross Tag Battle?

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote: Yeah I knew that, but on You Tube there is this reactor named murder of birds who saw Raven vs Cinder and he think they were Soul Edge and Soul Calibur so find that reaction video on You Tube to believe me.

      Sorry I'm into way too much of Siegfried vs Nightmare.

      It was a reference for the title of his reaction. He did not say they were those very weapons. Why do you keep making these weird assumptions? Seriously? Your wording or explanations do not explain your intentions all that well. You refer to the fight in Downfall as Soul Edge vs Soul Calibur, not as a reference. You did not say that in the first place.

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    • But the name of the episode Downfall don't make any sense.

      I'm sorry that I didn't say it in the first place but is the Spring Maiden powers ever more than enough to kill Salem?

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      But the name of the episode Downfall doesn't make any sense.

      I'm sorry that I didn't say it in the first place but is the Spring Maiden powers ever more than enough to kill Salem?

      The name makes perfect sense. It was Cinder's downfall.

      And probably not.

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    • Downfall. Cinder Fall fell down.

      Short answer? Nobody knows. We don't know anything about Salem's actual abilities other than that she can control and create Grimm.

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    • Then what will kill Salem? Yang's semblance?

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Then what will kill Salem? Yang's semblance?

      We don't know anything about Salem's abilities, so we don't know what can kill her.

      Yang's Semblance will most likely not do it.

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    • Okay I give up. We have to wait until volume 6 and so on right?

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote: Downfall. Cinder Fall fell down.

      I also like to think it refers to how Raven put Cinder down as Cinder was acting like a raging bitch attacking her and Vernal out of the blue.

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    • I mean, Raven and Vernal were planning to kill her, so...

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    • Are these genuine questions or troll questions Deadlyblossom is giving? Frankly, I'm getting irked because these are questions that should already have been covered and not necessary to ask. One or two is fine, but these are stringing together as a series of dumb questions, so I'm getting suspicious.

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    • Considering how far they've taken us off topic here alone, I'd lean towards the latter.  Either that or Deadlyblossom is looking for something that isn't there, like a lot of diehard shippers do.  So I vote for ignoring any further inquiries from him unless they're relevant to the topic at hand.

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if it took longer for Raven to accept Summer's leadership than Weiss to accept Ruby's, as Raven seems to be really prideful and never seemed to acknowledge her own faults and shortcomings before her confrontation with Yang in the vault. Anyway Summer is very likely a very sensible subject for Raven, with a lot of regrets and bitterness.

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    • Oh great! Me with Troll questions?

      ACWeapons I am not a troll I did watch 5 volumes so far and just waiting for volume 5 to be on Blu-Ray/DVD.

      So do me a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! YOU SOUND LIKE GRINLOCK64!!!!!!

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    • You're not exactly helping your case there, you know.

      And who the hell is Grinlock64?

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    • You should take a chill pill man, I can see why ACWeapons would ask that question with regards to the question you asked, but it's nothing to get worked up about.

      Go watch adorable cat videos then come back with a clear head.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      Oh great! Me with Troll questions?

      ACWeapons I am not a troll I did watch 5 volumes so far and just waiting for volume 5 to be on Blu-Ray/DVD.

      So do me a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! YOU SOUND LIKE GRINLOCK64!!!!!!

      I think you should do yourself a favor and go back to the Youtube comment section.

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    • wow. this turned into a shit fest in under a day.

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    • Terminus99 wrote:

      A better question would be "why did Qrow and Raven leave their tribe to attend Beacon?".

      Chances are that they wanted to become stronger for some reason.

      Raven and Qrow left for Beacon "to learn how to kill huntsmen". Raven says this to Yang and Weiss. Huntsmen are the tribes Number 1 enemy and they need the means to deal with them. Qrow and Raven were the right age. So, they went to became huntsmen to kill other huntsmen. 

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    • ToonRadio wrote:

      Terminus99 wrote:

      A better question would be "why did Qrow and Raven leave their tribe to attend Beacon?".

      Chances are that they wanted to become stronger for some reason.

      Raven and Qrow left for Beacon "to learn how to kill huntsmen". Raven says this to Yang and Weiss. Huntsmen are the tribes Number 1 enemy and they need the means to deal with them. Qrow and Raven were the right age. So, they went to became huntsmen to kill other huntsmen. 

      tbh the better question is: why does Raven still have so many scrubs if she can train them to be like Vernal?

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    • Raven will have to explain sooner or later to Taiyang that she risked Qrow, Ruby and Yang's life to save her own skin at Haven and that she let Yang become a target for Salem out of cowardice, he's certainely not going to forgive that easely.

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    • ....I mean....Ilia tried to kill Blake's parents and almost shipped her to the leader of a terrorist organization in another continent, for the pettiest of reasons at that, and she was forgiven in like 3 seconds.

      We shouldn't expect Raven to be so hard to be forgiven. Unless Miles and Kerry wised-up, which at this point doesn't sound too likely, or a better writter was added to the team, which is more likely (since both NoN and Gen;Lock have like 3-4 writers each).

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    • Ilia didn't sell out her own brother, daughter and her ex-husband's other daughter to Salem in order to save her own skin, plus she didn't attack herself Blake's parents, besides Raven already abandonned Taiyang and Yang and didn't do any effort to contact them after her departure so I don't think that Taiyang will forgive Raven as easely as Blake forgave Ilia.

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    • llia was literally supposed to go kill Ghira and Kali alongside Yuma after Blake was dealt with. That was part of the plan, and she knew it perfectly, it's the very reason she was even in the Belladonnas's house that night.

      That Blake broke through to her and pointed out how dumb she was being before Ilia could do anything, doesn't change the original plan that Ilia was supposed to carry out and had no qualms about doing so until after her fight with Blake, despite Ilia's own parents being dead.

      Besides, you're ignoring my point. My point is, Ilia did very morally-questionable things, including things that would've hurt Blake on a very personal level, for no good reason and with no damns given until very very late. And yet she was forgiven with not even a slap on the wrist.

      So, can we really expect the writers to treat Raven any different? Nope.

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    • What Raven did is arguably worse than what Ilia did and Ilia showed at least some signs of regrets and remorse while doing these acts something that Raven didn't until her confrontation with Yang, besides that was her own family that was at the end of Raven's actions so I don't think that she will be as forgiven as easely than Ilia.

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    • Masma93 wrote:
      What Raven did is arguably worse than what Ilia did and Ilia showed at least some signs of regrets and remorse while doing these acts something that Raven didn't until her confrontation with Yang, besides that was her own family that was at the end of Raven's actions so I don't think that she will be as forgiven as easely than Ilia.

      And Ilia didn't show any regrets until the very end when there was no way for her side to win anyway.

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:
      What Raven did is arguably worse than what Ilia did and Ilia showed at least some signs of regrets and remorse while doing these acts something that Raven didn't until her confrontation with Yang, besides that was her own family that was at the end of Raven's actions so I don't think that she will be as forgiven as easely than Ilia.

      And Ilia didn't show any regrets until the very end when there was no way for her side to win anyway.

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      I disagree, Ilia showed signs of doubt and regrets after meeting with the Albain brothers, during her conversation with Blake and at the Belladona's house and even said that she didn't like hurting people while Raven killed a girl that trusted and cared for her in order to get her powers, abandonned her family and nearly sacrificied her own brother and daughter after implying to Qrow that she may have never cared for him as family and killed a lot of innocent people without a hint of regret or remorse.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:
      What Raven did is arguably worse than what Ilia did and Ilia showed at least some signs of regrets and remorse while doing these acts something that Raven didn't until her confrontation with Yang, besides that was her own family that was at the end of Raven's actions so I don't think that she will be as forgiven as easely than Ilia.

      And Ilia didn't show any regrets until the very end when there was no way for her side to win anyway.

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      Not to mention Raven kills people for her living, so just the fact she left Yang alone without killing or injuring her is really a moral win for Raven. Tai-Yang almost certainly knows Raven's darkside, that isn't likely to be a huge obstacle to him.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      Actually, she did it because "SENPAI DIDN'T NOTICE ME >:C". Her "Blake, I love you" revelation undermines her character like that, the reason she's doing what she's doing being because Blake "only cared about Adam".


      @Masma: Her signs of "doubt and regret" only happen when the writers demand it, and disappear when the writers forget they're even there.

      She seemed to have second thoughts about the WF, yet 1-2 eps later she's yelling at Ghira and calling him an idiot for "trying to convince them to help humans" (which is false, since Haven has Faunus students). She seemed to regret the idea of killing Blake's parents, yet 1-2 eps later she's already perfectly willing to do it with no remorse.

      And again, you're ignoring the damn point: The gravity of their actions, on-screen and off-screen, is not what matters here, what matters is how easily they are forgiven by everyone despite their gravity.

      What Ilia did, regardless of how it compares to what Raven's been doing since before she was even born, was not the sort of thing a person would dismiss as "Eh, I forgive you, no big deal". Yet it was dismissed like that anyway. We should expect Raven to end up in a similar way.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Arkantos95 wrote:

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      Actually, she did it because "SENPAI DIDN'T NOTICE ME >:C". Her "Blake, I love you" revelation undermines her character like that, the reason she's doing what she's doing being because Blake "only cared about Adam".


      @Masma: Her signs of "doubt and regret" only happen when the writers demand it, and disappear when the writers forget they're even there.

      She seemed to have second thoughts about the WF, yet 1-2 eps later she's yelling at Ghira and calling him an idiot for "trying to convince them to help humans" (which is false, since Haven has Faunus students). She seemed to regret the idea of killing Blake's parents, yet 1-2 eps later she's already perfectly willing to do it with no remorse.

      And again, you're ignoring the damn point: The gravity of their actions, on-screen and off-screen, is not what matters here, what matters is how easily they are forgiven by everyone despite their gravity.

      What Ilia did, regardless of how it compares to what Raven's been doing since before she was even born, was not the sort of thing a person would dismiss as "Eh, I forgive you, no big deal". Yet it was dismissed like that anyway. We should expect Raven to end up in a similar way.

      Ilia had at least these moment of showing doubts and regrets while Raven didn't and the fact that Blake and her parents easely forgave Ilia doesn't mean that Qrow and all the members of Team RWBY and JNR would have done the same if they knew Ilia and her past nor that means that Taiyang will easely forgive Raven for sacrificing her own's daughter and Ruby's lives to order to save her skin.

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    • Yet they will, unless the writers wise-up and learn from their mistakes. Which we have 0 guarantee of at this point.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: Yet they will, unless the writers wise-up and learn from their mistakes. Which we have 0 guarantee of at this point.

      Let's agree to disagree on this one, we shall wait and see.

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      Arkantos95 wrote:

      ...And Ilia didn't show any regrets until the very end when there was no way for her side to win anyway.

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      I disagree, Ilia showed signs of doubt and regrets after meeting with the Albain brothers, during her conversation with Blake and at the Belladona's house and even said that she didn't like hurting people while Raven killed a girl that trusted and cared for her in order to get her powers, abandonned her family and nearly sacrificied her own brother and daughter after implying to Qrow that she may have never cared for him as family and killed a lot of innocent people without a hint of regret or remorse.

      1. We have no evidence Spring cared for Raven, only that Raven was in her last thoughts, the girl ran from a possibly dangerous situation with Leo, and could not defend herself/be trained, mercy though it may not have been, she likely would have died anyways had Raven abandoned her, and killed Raven's own people had she lived(by either accident OR discovery, or even caused an internal power struggle as a Bandit like Vernal killed her for the power themselves, then challenged Raven for leadership).

      2. She implied that to Qrow while in combat with him holding back her powers, after he had abandoned HER, just because their mission was one worthy of abandoning doesn't mean he didn't abandon it while she stayed "on mission".

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:

      Arkantos95 wrote:

      ...And Ilia didn't show any regrets until the very end when there was no way for her side to win anyway.

      Raven at least did what she did to preserve the tribe, Ilia just did it because she thought it was the right thing to do.

      I disagree, Ilia showed signs of doubt and regrets after meeting with the Albain brothers, during her conversation with Blake and at the Belladona's house and even said that she didn't like hurting people while Raven killed a girl that trusted and cared for her in order to get her powers, abandonned her family and nearly sacrificied her own brother and daughter after implying to Qrow that she may have never cared for him as family and killed a lot of innocent people without a hint of regret or remorse.

      1. We have no evidence Spring cared for Raven, only that Raven was in her last thoughts, the girl ran from a possibly dangerous situation with Leo, and could not defend herself/be trained, mercy though it may not have been, she likely would have died anyways had Raven abandoned her, and killed Raven's own people had she lived(by either accident OR discovery, or even caused an internal power struggle as a Bandit like Vernal killed her for the power themselves, then challenged Raven for leadership).

      2. She implied that to Qrow while in combat with him holding back her powers, after he had abandoned HER, just because their mission was one worthy of abandoning doesn't mean he didn't abandon it while she stayed "on mission".

      Cinder and Yang's comments implied that Spring really trusted and cared for Raven, only to be betrayed and killed by the woman that she trusted.

      And Raven was the one who abandonned Qrow first by leaving her teamates and the family she founded with Taiyang.

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    • Cinder and Yang? You can't be serious.

      Cinder didn't know shit about Raven and Spring's relationship. She only assumed Spring cared about Raven a lot.

      And Yang didn't know shit either, and assumed as well. That's why she asked about what happened to Spring.

      In both cases, their first conclusion was not that Raven actually killed Spring. They both assumed something else happened. Hence why Yang was horrified when she realized that no, Spring didn't die by a Grimm or by a disease, Raven killed her.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Actually, she did it because "SENPAI DIDN'T NOTICE ME >:C". Her "Blake, I love you" revelation undermines her character like that, the reason she's doing what she's doing being because Blake "only cared about Adam".

      No, that's not the reason she did it.

      The reason she confessed her love for Blake was to make a point of "You don't know me as well as you claim to, considering that, all these years, you weren't aware that I'm in love with you!"

      That was not "I'm doing this because I'm in love with you and you don't love me back."

      That was "Lol what, this isn't me?? What me are you talking about? The one you think you know? Because you really don't know me as well as you think you do, considering you didn't even know I'm in love with you."

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    • That was the intended message she was giving at the time. But the way it was done ends up making Ilia's reasons for doing what she was doing feel as I described.

      "I loved you and you never realized it" works, in regards to how much Blake really knew her. But it also ends up making her motivation(s) for her actions feel much more petty than they were intended to be.

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    • Weren’t you guys talking about Raven and such?

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      Cinder and Yang's comments implied that Spring really trusted and cared for Raven, only to be betrayed and killed by the woman that she trusted.

      And Raven was the one who abandonned Qrow first by leaving her teamates and the family she founded with Taiyang.

      Did you watch V5?

      1. As Someone said, both characters who claimed she killed her were only guessing she did so in the first place, while we can assume that this was the writers way of saying she DID kill her, we cannot assume the reasons or circumstances under which she did so as there are NO reliable witness statements.

      2. Raven and Qrow were originally at beacon to learn how to KILL huntsman, that was their mission and Qrow abandoned it while Raven didn't, there is every indication Tai wouldn't have left with her and the tribe was no place for a baby had she wanted the responsibility, Tai and the rest of STRQ likely would have taken her back even if she had, and Raven likely wasn't emotionally or physically ready to kill them.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: Cinder and Yang? You can't be serious.

      Cinder didn't know shit about Raven and Spring's relationship. She only assumed Spring cared about Raven a lot.

      And Yang didn't know shit either, and assumed as well. That's why she asked about what happened to Spring.

      In both cases, their first conclusion was not that Raven actually killed Spring. They both assumed something else happened. Hence why Yang was horrified when she realized that no, Spring didn't die by a Grimm or by a disease, Raven killed her.

      Cinder saying that Spring must have trusted Raven a lot and betting that it was a mistake and latter replying to Raven lecturing her on becoming a monster for power by "Look who's talking" indicate that she conclued that Raven indeed killed the former Spring Maiden despite the latter having trusted Raven, and Raven's reaction to Cinder's statement indicated that Cinder hit a nerve. And Raven did nothing to tell Yang that she was wrong to think that Spring must have trusted Raven.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:

      Cinder and Yang's comments implied that Spring really trusted and cared for Raven, only to be betrayed and killed by the woman that she trusted.

      And Raven was the one who abandonned Qrow first by leaving her teamates and the family she founded with Taiyang.

      Did you watch V5?

      1. As Someone said, both characters who claimed she killed her were only guessing she did so in the first place, while we can assume that this was the writers way of saying she DID kill her, we cannot assume the reasons or circumstances under which she did so as there are NO reliable witness statements.

      2. Raven and Qrow were originally at beacon to learn how to KILL huntsman, that was their mission and Qrow abandoned it while Raven didn't, there is every indication Tai wouldn't have left with her and the tribe was no place for a baby had she wanted the responsibility, Tai and the rest of STRQ likely would have taken her back even if she had, and Raven likely wasn't emotionally or physically ready to kill them.

      Raven did nothing to tell them that they were wrong to think that the Spring Maiden indeed trusted her and that she killed her in spite of that trust, Raven's reaction to Cinder saying that the Spring Maiden have made a mistake by trusting Raven indicates that Cinder hit a nerve.

      And if Raven didn't abandon herself the mission then why did she come on Patch and started a family with Taiyang instead of immediatly returning to the tribe as soon as she graduated ? By turning her back on the family they started Raven abandonned Qrow first.

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    • She didn't start a family on Patch. Where did you get that idea? She dumped Yang on her father the day she was born. She never intended to start a family if she didn't plan to stay. She returned to the tribe as soon as she could. She never really abandoned her original goal. She had other things going on. Like becoming one of Ozpin's lieutenants for a time, then when she wanted to get out, she did. There was no set time limit for her mission to become a Huntress.

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    • ACWeapons wrote: She didn't start a family on Patch. Where did you get that idea? She dumped Yang on her father the day she was born. She never intended to start a family if she didn't plan to stay. She returned to the tribe as soon as she could. She never really abandoned her original goal. She had other things going on. Like becoming one of Ozpin's lieutenants for a time, then when she wanted to get out, she did. There was no set time limit for her mission to become a Huntress.

      I disagree, if she really had the intention to fullfil her mission to the tribe she would have returned to it as soon as she graduated from Beacon but instead she began a romance with Taiyang and had a daughter with him before leaving them after three months. And it seems that it isn't her loyalty to the tribe that is the main reason why she left but rather her fear of Salem.

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    • Doesn't really gives her a valid reason to leave and cause all the pain and death in those following years, whether they be family, friends, or victims of their raids.

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    • ACWeapons wrote: Doesn't really gives her a valid reason to leave and cause all the pain and death in those following years, whether they be family, friends, or victims of their raids.

      The fact that she was ready to sacrifice Qrow and Yang and latter to renounce to her goal of getting the Relic in Volume 5 shows how much her fear of Salem is controlling her.

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    • My guess as to an answer to the question in the  title of this thread is this: I don't think that Raven ever intended to be invovled in Yang's upbringing. She wanted an heir but had no illusions about her ability to be a mother. Additionally, I think that she felt that returning to lead the Tribe as a fighter rather than as a mother as well as getting out of Ozpin's immediate sphere of influence were preferable to anything else.

      One of the regrets that the Mistral fiasco has forced Raven to confront is that, having had a parent-like relationship with Spring and Vernal, she now somewhat regrest her choice to abandon Yang and thus forfeit her love. She looks at the stranger in her daughter's body and realises that Summer is the real 'mom' to her and I think that, now she has Yang in her life, that fact hurts her and she regrets her choices.

      I suspect that Raven's arc going forwards is going to be a lot about regrets and dealing with them.

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    • Masma93 wrote:

      I disagree, if she really had the intention to fullfil her mission to the tribe she would have returned to it as soon as she graduated from Beacon but instead she began a romance with Taiyang and had a daughter with him before leaving them after three months.

      Now you're just making wild assumptions. We have no idea how much time passed between graduation and Yang being born.

      And even less do we know about the circumstances leading to Yang. For all we know, they were both just drunk at the time.

      Besides, Raven could've well not left as soon as she could simply because she realized she was pregnant and she wouldn't travel back to the tribe with a baby on her belly.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Masma93 wrote:

      I disagree, if she really had the intention to fullfil her mission to the tribe she would have returned to it as soon as she graduated from Beacon but instead she began a romance with Taiyang and had a daughter with him before leaving them after three months.

      Now you're just making wild assumptions. We have no idea how much time passed between graduation and Yang being born.

      And even less do we know about the circumstances leading to Yang. For all we know, they were both just drunk at the time.

      Besides, Raven could've well not left as soon as she could simply because she realized she was pregnant and she wouldn't travel back to the tribe with a baby on her belly.

      Raven was in a relationship of at least one year with Taiyang if we take in account her pregnency and the three months she stayed with her family before leaving, I doubt that she would have waited three months before returning to her tribe if she wanted to join them as soon as possible and she still could have been able to leave during the first weeks of her pregnency.

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    • ......................Genius. Yes, she would've made the trek from Patch to who-knows-where, while pregnant. Absolutely genius idea.

      Dude, it took RNJR almost a year to get to Mistral. How long do you think it would've taken Raven to find a tribe of bandits that's constantly moving around? Do you seriously think she would've made such a trip while pregnant?

      Even if she left during the first few weeks, many months would've passed by the time she was even close to finding them. And after just a pair of months the pregnancy would reach the point where her combat performance would be severely affected, which is suicide when you consider all the Grimm she would naturally find on her way to the tribe.

      So in the end, she stayed because she couldn't leave in her state and she doesn't seem like the kind of person that would be happy to engage in abortion. Nothing to do with being in a relationship with anyone, at least a romantic one.

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    • RJNR didn't where they were going and were on foot, while Raven likely knew where to find the tribe and had her bird ability, also it's not impossible that she had someone in the tribe that was bonded to her with her semblance.

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    • You know, there is also the option that she fell pregnant while completing her last year of school. She could have only stuck around for a few months after graduating to finish the pregnancy, tie up loose ends and track down where the tribe was at the moment, and then ditched just after giving birth.

      Or she stuck around when she and Qrow were first turned into birds and did Ozpin's bidding, joined his crusade, since she 'accepted' the transformation ability... and then used the Tribe as an excuse to run when she got scared. That was basically the culmination of her character in V5; she was scared and ran away, and has been running since.

      This theory allows for Raven to have entertained the idea of leaving the Tribe like Qrow did, and starting a family with Tai, but then when she learnt 'too much' (according to her anyway) she got cold feet and ran back to where she felt 'safe' - the tribe she grew up in, which was small and insiginifcant in the scheme of things and therefore unlikely to get involved.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote: You know, there is also the option that she fell pregnant while completing her last year of school. She could have only stuck around for a few months after graduating to finish the pregnancy, tie up loose ends and track down where the tribe was at the moment, and then ditched just after giving birth.

      Or she stuck around when she and Qrow were first turned into birds and did Ozpin's bidding, joined his crusade, since she 'accepted' the transformation ability... and then used the Tribe as an excuse to run when she got scared. That was basically the culmination of her character in V5; she was scared and ran away, and has been running since.

      This theory allows for Raven to have entertained the idea of leaving the Tribe like Qrow did, and starting a family with Tai, but then when she learnt 'too much' (according to her anyway) she got cold feet and ran back to where she felt 'safe' - the tribe she grew up in, which was small and insiginifcant in the scheme of things and therefore unlikely to get involved.

      After seeing her interactions with Yang in Volume 5 and the way she mentionned Taiyang's name and reacted to Ruby's speech which reminded her of Summer I think that Raven really cared for her teamates and her family,more than she wants to admit, and may have really wanted to continue to live with them before her fear of Salem took control and that returning to the tribe was the perfect excuse to run away from her. Also I doubt that Qrow was the only member of the tribe with who she had a bond before going to Beacon and so that she couldn't have gone back to them via a portal after graduating.

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    • I do remember this as well witch I'm trying to say.

      Ruby only tried to reason with Raven, then after Ruby tried to get close to Raven she want to negotiate and me think she would shake hands with Raven saying "I never shake hands with anyone before and since I was shocked to the core seeing and that finding out you were Yang's biological mother that make us half sisters, Raven, you're the first." Then a double cross.

      And I knew already that Yang told Raven that if she won't fight Salem then Yang will and Yang will kill Salem with her own power then news breaks everywhere saying "It would seem that Yang Xiao Long has gotten forgiveness by defeat a witch known as Salem and piece was brought back to Remnant."

      Well you think Yang's semblance is enough to destroy Salem or will Yang die trying?

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    • Okay,

      1) Ruby already knew Raven was Yang's mother and had no issues with it. Hell, Jaune knew.

      2) It's not a double cross if there was never any implication Raven was going to help them.

      3) Yang never said she was going to defeat Salem all by her lonesome. Are you sure you watched V5?

      4) For the third time in two days, we don't know anything about Salem's powers and abilities. We don't know if Yang's Semblance could kill her, though I personally doubt it.

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    • Fine I'll re watch them all!

      But I'm watching on Blu-ray or DVD and I'm going for the Japanese audio with English subtitles that just came to Blu-Ray/DVD.

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    • We get it. Stop telling us you're going to watch it on DVD/Blu-Ray every time. And why are you repeating these questions? I thought we established Yang never said she would attempt to kill Salem all by herself. She said she was willing to stand against her, something Raven obviously can't handle.

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    • Which really doesn't make sense, considering her whole plan was to use the relic to keep the tribe safe. But then in the finale, like most of Raven's character, that was tossed aside in favor of a cheap emotional moment and completely unearned moral victory.

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    • But that wouldn't have worked, Arkantos, there's no way she could've hidden the Relic better than it was in Haven.  Ozpin designed a pocket dimension to seal the Relic within, along with the Vault and the key that unlocked to path to said Vault.  There's no way Raven could've done better.  And as Yang said, Salem would've hunted her down even more fervently once she learned she had the Relic, not to mention that she killed Cinder.  Raven relented because she knew she couldn't refute her daughter, blunt truth smashed all of her rational lies into dust.  So I wouldn't say it was cheap at all, Yang stopped Raven from making a terrible mistake that would've gotten her and her tribe killed, and cost them the Relic as well. And Remnant would be in even worse shape than it is now.

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    • Where did I say anything about hiding it?

      Use.

      Use.

      Use.

      Use.

      If you're going to write a long-ass post disagreeing with what I say, at least have it actually address the point I brought up.

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    • The Relics might not be that easy to use and I seriously doubt that the Relic of knowledge would have given Raven the power to fight Salem.

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    • The point is the Relic would not keep her safe, it would expose her to even more danger.  She'd have both sides hunting her down, and she wouldn't survive, and risk having the Relic fall into Salem's hands.  So her plan was a mistake from the very start, good thing she was stopped before it was too late.

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    • The Relics will do whatever the plot needs them to do.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote: The point is the Relic would not keep her safe, it would expose her to even more danger.  She'd have both sides hunting her down, and she wouldn't survive, and risk having the Relic fall into Salem's hands.  So her plan was a mistake from the very start, good thing she was stopped before it was too late.

      Indeed, and Salem would have taken this very seriously as she would not only have stolen the relic bu also defeated Cinder and robbed Salem of her key to Beacon's relic and helped thwarthed the destruction of Haven. And I doubt that anyone can use the Relic's powers or that the Relic of knowledge would have given Raven the powers she needed against Salem if she ever found a way to use it.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote: You know, there is also the option that she fell pregnant while completing her last year of school. She could have only stuck around for a few months after graduating to finish the pregnancy, tie up loose ends and track down where the tribe was at the moment, and then ditched just after giving birth.

      Or she stuck around when she and Qrow were first turned into birds and did Ozpin's bidding, joined his crusade, since she 'accepted' the transformation ability... and then used the Tribe as an excuse to run when she got scared. That was basically the culmination of her character in V5; she was scared and ran away, and has been running since.

      ...

      Personally, I'm guessing Pregnancy was her 3rd reason for not leaving, just think about the series of events as we know them:

      1.Raven and Qrow were given the mission to learn how to kill huntsman to protect the tribe.

      2. STRQ was formed at Beacon

      3. STRQ was given special treatment at Beacon and thought very highly of themselves

      4. Raven and Qrow were brought in on Ozpin's secret about Salem, a far greater threat to everyone including the tribe

      5. Raven and Qrow were voluntarily given their bird powers to combat the threat of Salem

      6. STRQ graduated

      7. Qrow didn't want to return to the tribe, which gave him the name Qrow because he was a jinx.

      8. Yang was born

      9. Raven decided Salem could not be defeated.

      • many of these may be out of order or happened simultaneously

      From this we can infer that Raven didn't leave immediately after graduation because she was attempting to handle Salem's threat, which in her youth she thought wouldn't take too long, she also failed to leave because Qrow didn't want to return to a bunch of scumbags who thought he was a jinx, while she wanted him to return because the tribe treated her well and she felt she owed them.

      Yang likely was conceived in the intervening time and Raven at some point met Salem or decided she was impossible to kill, settling for her initial goal of protecting the tribe from Huntsmen because she couldn't protect them from Salem.

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    • ACWeapons wrote: We get it. Stop telling us you're going to watch it on DVD/Blu-Ray every time. And why are you repeating these questions? I thought we established Yang never said she would attempt to kill Salem all by herself. She said she was willing to stand against her, something Raven obviously can't handle.

      Stop saying I'm will watch on Blu-Ray/DVD? Make me....

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:

      Stop saying I'm will watch on Blu-Ray/DVD? Make me....

      ...........Do you even english?

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    • I did watch English but then on rooster teeth shop and amazon I found Japanese audio version with English subtitles on Blu-ray and DVD.

      Why I'd rather watch in Japanese?

      First of all, I want to learn Japanese.

      Second of all I wonder how Yang's Japanese voice is like.

      Well I do know and speak English but I wanted to know speak and master Japanese for reason of my own.

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    • Watch it on Crunchyroll then.

      Second, there are worse ways to learn Japanese, but not a lot of them.

      Third, I question you knowing English based on how you type and argue.

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    • I wasn't even thinking of asking whether you watch the show in english or japanese or russian or whatever.

      I was talking about you, Deadly. Because the sentence I quoted there was a total failure of coherence and grammar.

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    • THAT'S IT!!! I'm outta here and not coming back!!!

      Just what planet do you think I'm from Saturn?

      If you gonna think I'm uneducated then you're all bullies and this is what I call cyberbullying and it's got to stop NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Calm down guys, that's not the place for that !

      Let's go back to the subject.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote: THAT'S IT!!! I'm outta here and not coming back!!!

      Just what planet do you think I'm from Saturn?

      If you gonna think I'm uneducated then you're all bullies and this is what I call cyberbullying and it's got to stop NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

      no-one said uneducated... English as a second language would have been my guess tbh, though as Arkantos said, there aren't many worse ways to try learning Japanese than watching an English show dubbed into Japanese... the sentence structures would likely be completely backwards or made from scratch to fit meaning of a sentence rather than word equivalents.

      The effort is admirable though.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Deadlyblossom wrote: THAT'S IT!!! I'm outta here and not coming back!!!

      Just what planet do you think I'm from Saturn?

      If you gonna think I'm uneducated then you're all bullies and this is what I call cyberbullying and it's got to stop NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

      no-one said uneducated... English as a second language would have been my guess tbh

      ^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^

      Deadly, your english is not particularly good, and sometimes it's completely lacking in coherence. Hence why I ask if you even (know/speak) English.

      If you don't, then instead of taking it as a personal attack, just say so. Obviously, not everyone has English as a first language.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Which really doesn't make sense, considering her whole plan was to use the relic to keep the tribe safe. But then in the finale, like most of Raven's character, that was tossed aside in favor of a cheap emotional moment and completely unearned moral victory.

      Er... I'm pretty sure her goal was to keep the Relic out of Salem's hands while simultaneously using it to her tribe's advantage, and the only reason it got "tossed aside" is because Yang pointed out to her that having the Relic would mean being targeted directly by Salem. She might have also not trusted it in Ozpin's hands, but when Yang convinced her that Salem would be after her tribe, she decided that would be worse than Ozpin having it.


      Deadlyblossom wrote:

      Why I'd rather watch in Japanese?

      First of all, I want to learn Japanese.

      That's really not a good way to learn Japanese.

      1. I'm pretty certain that the subtitles will not actually say exactly what the characters are saying in Japanese.

      The subtitles might say the original English dialogue, when I know for a fact that the Japanese dub actually changed some of the lines. For example, in Volume 3 Episode 1, when talking to Emerald, Ruby's Japanese dialogue has her say "party", when she never said "party" in the English version. And, in Volume 3, Ruby's line of "Break a leg, sis!" got changed to something like "Do your best", thus completely losing the pun. If the subtitles don't say the original English lines, then they'll say an approximation of the Japanese dialogue.

      The reason for this is because a true, exact translation from Japanese to English is really awkward and clunky, so people who write English subtitles for Japanese audio tend to change it a little bit to flow better in English. So you're not really reading exactly what they're truly saying.

      2. In order to properly learn a language, you need to learn the grammar rules, not just some words and sentences.

      I don't know Japanese, but I've learned some Mexican-dialect Spanish, so I'll use that as an example. One example of a grammar rule in Spanish is that you put an adjective after the noun you're describing. Like, if you want to say "The yellow cat", you'll say "El gato amarillo" (The cat yellow).

      Another is that verbs have different suffixes depending on who you're talking about or what tense you're using. Honestly, I only got to learn present tense enough to memorize it. If a verb ends in "ar", then the suffixes in present tense are

      • o = when referring to myself (For example, "hablo" = "I speak")
      • as = "you" singular (You're talking to one person. "hablas" = "you speak")
      • a = he/she/it
      • amos = we
      • ais = "you" plural (You're talking to multiple people. "hablais" = "you all speak")
      • an = they

      If I watched Mexican soap operas with English subtitles, I wouldn't truly learn Spanish from it. You won't truly learn Japanese from watching RWBY in Japanese with English subtitles.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      Arkantos95 wrote:
      Which really doesn't make sense, considering her whole plan was to use the relic to keep the tribe safe. But then in the finale, like most of Raven's character, that was tossed aside in favor of a cheap emotional moment and completely unearned moral victory.

      Er... I'm pretty sure her goal was to keep the Relic out of Salem's hands while simultaneously using it to her tribe's advantage, and the only reason it got "tossed aside" is because Yang pointed out to her that having the Relic would mean being targeted directly by Salem. She might have also not trusted it in Ozpin's hands, but when Yang convinced her that Salem would be after her tribe, she decided that would be worse than Ozpin having it.


      Deadlyblossom wrote:

      Why I'd rather watch in Japanese?

      First of all, I want to learn Japanese.

      That's really not a good way to learn Japanese. 1. I'm pretty certain that the subtitles will not actually say exactly what the characters are saying in Japanese. The subtitles might say the original English dialogue, when I know for a fact that the Japanese dub actually changed some of the lines. For example, in Volume 3 Episode 1, when talking to Emerald, Ruby's Japanese dialogue has her say "party", when she never said "party" in the English version. And, in Volume 3, Ruby's line of "Break a leg, sis!" got changed to something like "Do your best", thus completely losing the pun. If the subtitles don't say the original Englihs lines, then they'll say an approximation of the Japanese dialogue. The reason for this is because a true, exact translation from Japanese to English is really awkward and clunky, so people who write English subtitles for Japanese audio tend to change it a little bit to flow better in English. So you're not really reading exactly what they're truly saying. 2. In order to properly learn a language, you need to learn the grammar rules, not just some words and sentences. I don't know Japanese, but I've learned some Mexican-dialect Spanish, so I'll use that as an example. One example of a grammar rule in Spanish is that you put an adjective after the noun you're describing. Like, if you want to say "The yellow cat", you'll say "El gato amarillo" (The cat yellow). Another is that verbs have different suffixes depending on who you're talking about or what tense you're using. Honestly, I only got to learn present tense enough to memorize it. If a verb ends in "ar", then the suffixes in present tense are

      • o = when referring to myself (For example, "hablo" = "I speak")
      • as = "you" singular (You're talking to one person. "hablas" = "you speak")
      • a = he/she/it
      • amos = we
      • ais = "you" plural (You're talking to multiple people. "hablais" = "you all speak")
      • an = they

      If I watched Mexican soap operas with English subtitles, I wouldn't truly learn Spanish from it. You won't truly learn Japanese from watching RWBY in Japanese with English subtitles.

      I think that she was more afraid for herself than for the tribe. Anyway the Relic of knowledge would have been unlikely to give her powers to fight against Salem if she took it and if she managed to use its power.

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    • Deadlyblossom wrote:
      I did watch English but then on rooster teeth shop and amazon I found Japanese audio version with English subtitles on Blu-ray and DVD.

      Why I'd rather watch in Japanese?

      First of all, I want to learn Japanese.

      Second of all I wonder how Yang's Japanese voice is like.

      Well I do know and speak English but I wanted to know speak and master Japanese for reason of my own.

      As previously stated, there are much better ways to learn Japanese, especially since Japanese has three alphabets rather than one: hiragana (for native words), katakana (for foreign words), and kanji (not sure).  If you have a Steam account, you can d/l the Learn Japanese to Survive games, they'll be much more helpful in learning the actual language.  Though it's just the beginning, it's more beneficial than watching TV.

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    • Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...

      To clarify on that: Spanish has no genderless nouns. We refer to everything with a male or female tone. In other words, there is no "It".

      "El Gato" means "The Cat", specifically a male cat. "La Gata" also means "The Cat", but a female one.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...

      Yeah. Well, the masculine form anyway. The feminine form, for a female cat, is "la gata".

      If I remember correctly, if there are multiple male cats or there's a mix of male and female cats, you say "los gatos", and if there are multiple female cats, it's "las gatas".

      So, yet again, it's important to learn the grammar rules for a language so you know the proper usage of the words you hear. You don't get that from watching something in Japanese with English subtitles. =P

      Edit: Ninja'd by SYUTK.

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    • It gets even better once we dive into the more informal words or uses of words...

      For example, "El gatito" = "The Kitten". "El gatillo" = "The Trigger"....or "The Kitten", depending on context.

      There's also a problem common everytime you're dealing with a different language: Sometimes, some words just don't have an equivalent in another language. For example, "Snark". It's an english word with a defined meaning, but it has no equivalent word in spanish. There is no spanish version of Snark whatsoever.

      You can describe what it means, but it has no word itself, so there's no way to say stuff like "that guy's full of snark" or "snark bait" or similar, unless you're willing to replace "snark" with a sentenceful of it's definition.

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    • And then there's dialects. Castilian Spanish, for example, has a verb tense that doesn't exist in... what's the term for the version used in the Americas?

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...
      To clarify on that: Spanish has no genderless nouns. We refer to everything with a male or female tone. In other words, there is no "It".

      As an American, despite taking spanish lessons, which I've mostly forgotten, that seems weird, but then again, English is a mongrel language with loads of inconsistencies.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...
      To clarify on that: Spanish has no genderless nouns. We refer to everything with a male or female tone. In other words, there is no "It".
      As an American, despite taking spanish lessons, which I've mostly forgotten, that seems weird, but then again, English is a mongrel language with loads of inconsistencies.

      Rule 1 of English: Their our know rules.

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    • Ah, homophones.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      There's also a problem common everytime you're dealing with a different language: Sometimes, some words just don't have an equivalent in another language. For example, "Snark". It's an english word with a defined meaning, but it has no equivalent word in spanish. There is no spanish version of Snark whatsoever.

      You can describe what it means, but it has no word itself, so there's no way to say stuff like "that guy's full of snark" or "snark bait" or similar, unless you're willing to replace "snark" with a sentenceful of it's definition.

      There's also slang, like the South Korean word "daebak", which basically conveys the feeling of "awesome" but doesn't exactly have a true English translation.


      Arkantos95 wrote:

      Rule 1 of English: Their our know rules.

      "I before E, except after C and when sounding like A, as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'."

      ... except when it comes to words like weird, science, conscience, conscious, height, counterfeit, albeit, ancient, glacier, heifer, heir, heist, caffeine, keister, deity, codeine, leisure, neither, their, efficient, seize, sleight, either, forfeit, feisty, etc.

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    • There are like 900 and change words that disregard that rule and only a few dozen that follow it.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Huh... so "El Gato" is "the Cat", that explains a few things...

      To clarify on that: Spanish has no genderless nouns. We refer to everything with a male or female tone. In other words, there is no "It".

      "El Gato" means "The Cat", specifically a male cat. "La Gata" also means "The Cat", but a female one.

      to clarify, it explains part of "The Rundown"... I kept wanting to equate the term to an alligator, so it kept confusing me the statue(Mcguffin variety) didn't look like one.

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