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  • Well, today's opening theme is certainly more funny now...

    Welcome back to Where from Here, Volume 4 edition. Let's recap.

    • Blake  is on a boat, alone, face numb from overexpression, and is constantly looking over her shoulder in case kids get any smart ideas. They're everywhere. The captain notices, and knows she has a story to tell and that she needs someone along for the journey.
    • Yang is still in Patch, watching the news (and naturally getting depressed. The election in particular hits her hard), where her dad Burn- I mean Wash- I mean Taiyang has come home with a special gift: the robot arm that we all thought she'd get. However, not only did it not require any special favors, not only did it come 3 episodes into Volume 4... but Yang doesn't want it. Afterward, doing menial work around the house with one arm, she drops a water glass and has a panic attack of Adam's mask as Burn-Taiyang watches.
    • Blake is still on a boat when she notices a cloaked figure watching her. At that moment however, a Water-Grimm attacks. The ship readies for battlestations, but they haven't prepared for a Unagi-Grimm ever since the quartermaster sold the clam cannon to settle the gambling debt.
    • Blake fights it as best she can, but just as it prepares to blast the boat to oblivion, the mysterious hooded man watching from a distance unveils his cloak to reveal Sun Go-Wukong, who misdirects the attack. 
    • The battle rages on, with Blake destroying the Grimm's wings, and allowing the crew to make a killing blow. As a reward for helping defeat the largest water-Grimm the ship had seen and saving her life, Blake slaps him across the face and leaves him to tell the story to everyone on the ship for an hour until she calms down.
    • Sun is under the mistaken impression that Blake is singlehandedly hunting down the Fang, and had been following her to help her do so. Blake dispells that theory (to the dismay of those who subscribed to it), and reveals she's just going home to find herself. Sun joins her anyway, knowing the Fang will follow her, and wants to see Menagarie for himself.
    • Cinder and Salem are having vocal lessons to help with Cinder's speech impediment, with Salem drawing something out of Cinder. Salem then summo- what the hell is that!? Uhh, I mean, summons a Metroid (seriously, what the actual fuck is that thing?) to sit by and watch. Cinder confirms, yes, Ozpin is dead, and Salem tells the Metroid to double their efforts.
    • Salem is after a relic under Beacon tower, but is still wondering what the next move is...from Ozpin?

    Bonus round: Alternate names for the thread included: I"M ON A BOAT, Journey to the South-East, An Arm and a Leg, and So which one of you is Goku?

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    • Robotic arm confirmed.

      So, does anyone wanna pick up that phone? 'Cause I just fucking called it. LOL

      EDIT: And when Sun says "why not do that with your team" when Blake says she wanted to sort things out, again, I felt like it's a no-brainer. It's the better idea.

      To much of this fight seems like the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children though.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      Robotic arm confirmed.

      So, does anyone wanna pick up that phone? 'Cause I just fucking called it. LOL

      If I hadn't seen probably around half, if not more, of the fanbase speculate the same thing I would be impressed.

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    • Vol 4 Yang

      But this one is misleading. Judging from the Volume 4 promotional image alone, there is this impression that she might remain one-armed for the entire volume. Why did they drew a plate on the place of her right elbow in the first place?

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    • Because she won't wear the arm most likely.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      Robotic arm confirmed.

      So, does anyone wanna pick up that phone? 'Cause I just fucking called it. LOL

      Shame on you KNN00 (I'm actually thinking of just referring to you as KINO, after the band), you went to all the trouble to reference that Forum Weapon, but not actually use it

      Also, she has it....but doesn't want to use it, which is actually interesting. It seems she needs to sort things out before being ready to have an automail bolted on.

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    • Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good look at the design names for the two new Grimm types we've seen.

      "Jellyfish" is probably a good pick for that....... weird...... thing.......... but what of that Asiatic dragon-looking one? We already have a Dragon, so what the heck do we call this one? One of the classical Chinese nomenclature for their dragons? Something else until we have official confirmation?

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    • A wyvern.

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    • PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
      Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good look at the design names for the two new Grimm types we've seen.

      "Jellyfish" is probably a good pick for that....... weird...... thing.......... but what of that Asiatic dragon-looking one? We already have a Dragon, so what the heck do we call this one? One of the classical Chinese nomenclature for their dragons? Something else until we have official confirmation?

      The jellyfish one is called a "Seer Grimm": that is shown in the credits, albiet VERY briefly, and right as its concept art is fading out.  It took me several tries to catch the name.

      As for the "Dragon", I am thinking a Sea Serpent Grimm, or even Wyvern.  This one is certainly more like a Wyvern than the Grimm Dragon, if you ask me.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      A wyvern.

      Eh, it's... not quite a wyvern, though. The Dragon from volume 3 is more of a wyvern than the Sea Dragon is.

      The Sea Dragon is actually closer to an amphithere, though amphitheres usually have feathers on them.

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    • I was jokingly referencing the whole Dragon vs Wyvern debate Chish. I wasn't being serious .

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      I was jokingly referencing the whole Dragon vs Wyvern debate Chish. I wasn't being serious .

      Lol, I got ya.  Sea Dragon then?

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    • Sea Dragon was my first thought. Best to be general rather than diving into subtypes without confirmation.

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    • Or sea serpent.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Or sea serpent.

      Can they fly?

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    • James2009 wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      I was jokingly referencing the whole Dragon vs Wyvern debate Chish. I wasn't being serious .
      Lol, I got ya.  Sea Dragon then?

      Amphithere, but without feathers.

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    • Sometimes. It depends.

      Usually not though.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      James2009 wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      I was jokingly referencing the whole Dragon vs Wyvern debate Chish. I wasn't being serious .
      Lol, I got ya.  Sea Dragon then?
      Amphithere, but without feathers.

      I think getting a specific subtype isn't a good idea if a page or something gets made.

      I think Sea Serpent is probably the best idea, seems to be the more common name from which Sea Dragon comes from from what I quickly googled in like 5 seconds.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:

      I think getting a specific subtype isn't a good idea if a page or something gets made.

      I think Sea Serpent is probably the best idea, seems to be the more common name from which Sea Dragon comes from from what I quickly googled in like 5 seconds.

      As far as I've seen, we're actually going the route of Sea Dragon, since it's... a dragon... in the sea. *Shrug* We didn't really look up what specific type of dragon it resembles. I just knew off the top of my head that an amphithere is a serpent-like mythical creature with a pair of wings that sometimes has two legs. (Meanwhile, a wyvern is more lizard-like, closer to your typical European four-legged dragon)

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    • The conversation when the sea dragon proved several things.

      1. Sea Grimm exist.

      2. Sea Grimm are a common occurance on the seas.

      3. The seas seem to be relatively safe due to trips being "boring."

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:

      If I hadn't seen probably around half, if not more, of the fanbase speculate the same thing I would be impressed.

      Great minds think alike. 

      @ WC-83:

      I use KNN because it's my initials. And the 005 is my favorite number and multiplication table. 

      As for Yang and Blake, them needing time to "sort things out" seems like the catchphrase of the season. Seems like people just want to mope and brood over things when they know the answer is clear. 

      1) Yang isn't gonna give up being a huntress because her mother's out there, and she still wants to see the world and deep down she still knows a part of her wants to use her powers to save people. Because she's not a fucking coward or a selfish asshole.

      2) Black knows the longer she hesitates and procrastinates only give more time to the WF to keep doing their misguided terrorism. Better to rally some like minded people and once and for all set the WF straight or haul them in to prison. 

      3) Like Sun said, running and avoiding a fight doesn't stop enemies from finding you. When Spiderman sometimes gave up being a hero the villains didn't vanish, if anything without Spiderman, they thrived. And if Blake can't find answers wouldn't it make more sense to ask around a get different opinions from her friends as much as her family. Since her friends have been right there with her in the trenches fighting the good fight?

      Sometimes watching shows and playing games it can feel like watching a slow train wreck or car crash. Let me explain what I mean by that: I love RWBY. Good show. For all my beefs with it, I like it a lot. No bullshit. But, and as other fans I bet yall can relate, sometimes it feels like you know what's gonna happen from the first 5 sentences of an episodes. Yet the revelations doesn't hit the characters until 4 episodes later. This happens in other shows and even in real life. Being genre savy and analytical can ruin shows. You can't come in with wide-eyed wonder and not know what's gonna happen. IRL if a girl goes out with a bad boy who like to brag about other girls he's banged and does this even right in front of her chances are he's a dick and will break her heart. Likely by cheating on her. You can see that "plot twist" coming a mile away. But telling the girl means nothing. She'll blow you off with a "what do you know, stay out of it." Same with shows. You can scream at the screen all you want but the writers seem to like to have the cast do things the same way they've always been done. Slowly.

      I understand these are teens and they have to learn at a snail's pace like how we adult did at their age. But even as teen I would think that at least a few of them would have more get-up-and-go than this. Weiss is basically captured, so I get her case. But Blake has freedom but she can't see it due to her past hang-ups. And Yang, who seemed like everyone's rock in season 1 and 2 and now become the most depressed and miserable. I guess it could be nod at her and Blake's connection as war buddies or maybe it's to show that even chipper people fall and fall hard. BUT WHEN YOUR YOUNGER SISTER IS BACK OUT THERE AND PUTTING IN WORK it starts to look a little immature. Ruby right now seems like the only one of the 4 that stand a chance of making it as a hunter in the long term. She falls, she gets sad (like with Penny dying/deactivating), yet she get back up and bounces back. I get depressed too. Especially when I can't play an RPG or draw or write to take my mind off a heartache. But one thing that never makes it better is being alone and dwelling on it without any positive reinforcement. 

      I wanna see the heroes back together as one and getting to the heart of the real problem. Grimm don't matter right now. Not really. What matter is uncovering the MASTERMIND behind the Grimm. And Ruby doesn't have the brains to do that alone. She just doesn't. 

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    • The nearest type of dragon apart from eastern might be a lyndwyrm

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    • KINO it is then.

      I wouldn't make those judgements just yet though. As genre-savvy as you are KINO, I have noticed you have a terrible judge of character when it comes to the characters on this show (Adam, Blake, Jaune, Cardin, etc.), and I don't say it in mean spirit. 

      Yang is broken from her experiances, and the world collapsing around her is taking a toll on her once adventerous spirit to see it. Without an arm, she doesn't feel like it she can do anything (and even when she did have an arm, she went and got it cut off. The friend she tried to save had to drag her out of there). When offered a chance to have an arm, she still doesn't feel like she's ready, she needs more than an arm, she needs her will back. She's not selfish or a coward, she's just a girl who's confused and lost in a post-Beacon world. She doesn't know if she wants to leave, knowing all the bad things happening. Not to mention the one person who could have gotten her out of her funk earlier, her partner, has left her behind to fend for herself. Sure she's stewing, but that's where Tai needs to come in to give her a push.

      Blake too is lost in the world, and the only place she can think of going now is back home. She doesn't know what to do. Going after the White Fang is going after Adam, and Adam is on a warpath of making Blake's life miserable, and doesn't want anything to do with that. She still has a psycho-somatic wound from her ordeal from Adam and wants to just get her mind off things. But no matter what she does, she still hears the White Fang breathing down her neck. Sun however is there and is trying to do his best to cheer her up and bring a little light for her see things in.

      Once their mental problems are resolved they can think farther ahead. But if they try to do things without being mentally prepared, they'll just end up like Agent Carolina, deranged and insecure, trying to accomplish a mission and solve their mental problem at the same time, and being unable to. No matter how much they know they have to focus on the mission (a mission only Ruby is available for, mentally and physically), the trauma will just get in the way.

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    • GreyStark wrote:
      The nearest type of dragon apart from eastern might be a lyndwyrm

      Da fuq is a lyndwyrm? *Looks it up* .... Meh... I still say amphithere, even though amphitheres are apparently only rarely depicted with a pair of legs.

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    • @ WC-83

      I would never call Yang a coward. But I thought she'd bounce back from this way better than Blake or Weiss would. But she's riding the pine and letting her sister do all the work with a stand in group instead of her blood family. I don't see how Blake is the best person to get her out of her funk. I would think Ruby's words would hold more water. And Tai being her father too. I feel like Blake rejecting Sun's help is odd. Isn't he close to her now? He should be her friend as much as Yang is. The fought together, danced together, went on a spy mission together. And they've sat and talked more than a few times. How long is she going to think avoiding people protects them and her?

      Who's Agent Carolina?

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    • Well some people think Raven might play a role in her daughter's return to action, possibly saying something like "I thought my daughter was strong." Given the intro, I'm inclined to think that she'll get back in action defending against members of the WF sent after her by Adam. I'm curious to see how they do it.

      Adam vowed to destroy everything she loved, and that has already resulted in a friend being dismembered.

      A relatively late addition to Red vs Blue, another show by Rosster Teeth.

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    • @KINO: Except Ruby tried and failed to help Yang. Not even their sisterly love could bring her out, and if you recall Ruby and Yang were very close. The fact that Yang couldn't care less on what she does as long as she was left alone shows just how much the past few days had hurt her.

      Taiyang however knows a thing or too about loss and being abandoned by those he cared about and carrying on anyway. If anyone's equipped to help Yang recover, it's him. Who knows, maybe he'll learn something along the way.

      And Blake is close to Sun... which is why she's furious that he followed her when she wanted to be alone and might have put himself in danger, not to mention essentially butting in on a private, spiritual journey she thought she was taking. What she doesn't realize is how important Sun is in getting back to normal, something isolation can't achieve.

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    • I love Sun in this episode. I don't care.

      Sun Smile








      Just look at that shit-eating grin. I swear he's like my spirit animal. Also like the slight redesign, despite what most people are saying.

      Onto his role in the episode itself, I really have to wonder exactly what sort of team dynamic SSSN has if the other three members are completely okay/used to their leader constantly running off to stowaway on ships. I was sort of looking forward to seeing more of them this volume, but alas. Still hyped about seeing the Menagerie though. Every episode has something new in terms of world-building, and it's amazing.

      Now we just have to wait and see if the rumors of Blake having a sister are true.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      James2009 wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      I was jokingly referencing the whole Dragon vs Wyvern debate Chish. I wasn't being serious .
      Lol, I got ya.  Sea Dragon then?
      Amphithere, but without feathers.
      I think getting a specific subtype isn't a good idea if a page or something gets made.

      I think Sea Serpent is probably the best idea, seems to be the more common name from which Sea Dragon comes from from what I quickly googled in like 5 seconds.


      I agree with you on this one.

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    • RayStrikeAbius wrote:
      I love Sun in this episode. I don't care.
      Sun Smile








      Just look at that shit-eating grin. I swear he's like my spirit animal. Also like the slight redesign, despite what most people are saying.

      Onto his role in the episode itself, I really have to wonder exactly what sort of team dynamic SSSN has if the other three members are completely okay/used to their leader constantly running off to stowaway on ships. I was sort of looking forward to seeing more of them this volume, but alas. Still hyped about seeing the Menagerie though. Every episode has something new in terms of world-building, and it's amazing.

      Now we just have to wait and see if the rumors of Blake having a sister are true.

      What a freaking second...

      His team is in Mistral.

      RNJR is heading to Mistral.

      Oh, sweet-salty-pork-chops!  I LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING!

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    • I will go through the thread(s) in a sec. Just let me get this out now:

      omg I'm laughing my ass off at the antis from Tumblr that yesterday were going on about how this ep. demonstrates Sun doesn't understand Blake. The misunderstanding got fixed up in like 2 minutes of dialogue. It lasted even less than the one in V2.

      On a more serious note, is it me or it felt like Sun's and Blake's semblances function basically the same way, just with different visuals?

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    • While their semblances are similar, they are used differently. Blake uses her semblance as a misdirect, allowing the clone to take the hit and not her (which is why it looks exactly like her), she uses it defensively. Sun uses his semblance offensively, using them to augment his attacks (and use them for specific actions), and doesn't expect the enemy to be fooled by them (which is why they look different to him).

      As for the Metroid Grimm, it seems to be a Lieutenant Grimm. I wonder if it can talk. If a huntsman finds it:

      Ren: What the-

      Nora: -Hell is that?

      Metroid!Grimm: Human  Juvenile  Occupation   Huntsmen   threat level   problematic    heavy support required    dispose of them. (Retreats as Alpha Grimm of all types converge).

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    • I expect that Yang is going to put off using that arm until the end of the Volume. She will get out of her funk eventually or be forced out of it, and head off to find any of the various disparate people in her life. Taiyang will probably make her take the arm with her in case she needs it, but she'll constantly put off using it to her own detriment until it is just absoltely necessary during the big fight at the conclusion of the Volume.

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      As for the Metroid Grimm, it seems to be a Lieutenant Grimm. I wonder if it can talk. If a huntsman finds it:

      Ren: What the-

      Nora: -Hell is that?

      Metroid!Grimm: Human  Juvenile  Occupation   Huntsmen   threat level   problematic    heavy support required    dispose of them. (Retreats as Alpha Grimm of all types converge).

      That seems a bit too robotic for a Grimm. In my experience, intelligent jellyfish-like monsters are most often telepathic, and that seems to be how it was communicating with Salem.

      Besides, we all know the general never leaves the base of operations. At best we might see it try to strangle someone a couple seasons from now only for Nora to pop it like a balloon.

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    • RayStrikeAbius wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:

      As for the Metroid Grimm, it seems to be a Lieutenant Grimm. I wonder if it can talk. If a huntsman finds it:

      Ren: What the-

      Nora: -Hell is that?

      Metroid!Grimm: Human  Juvenile  Occupation   Huntsmen   threat level   problematic    heavy support required    dispose of them. (Retreats as Alpha Grimm of all types converge).

      That seems a bit too robotic for a Grimm. In my experience, intelligent jellyfish-like monsters are most often telepathic, and that seems to be how it was communicating with Salem.

      Besides, we all know the general never leaves the base of operations. At best we might see it try to strangle someone a couple seasons from now only for Nora to pop it like a balloon.


      Well, we know what this Grimm is called; a "Seer Grimm".  That could hint as to this Grimm's function.

      The definition of a Seer is: 1) a person who is supposed to be able, through supernatural insight, to see what the future holds, or 2) a person who sees something specified.

      Given what Salem says to this Grimm after talking to Cinder, it could also be a type of "Relay" or communication towards the other Grimm in the world.

      And with all of that said, please KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      While their semblances are similar, they are used differently. Blake uses her semblance as a misdirect, allowing the clone to take the hit and not her (which is why it looks exactly like her), she uses it defensively. Sun uses his semblance offensively, using them to augment his attacks (and use them for specific actions), and doesn't expect the enemy to be fooled by them (which is why they look different to him).

      That's how I perceived it up until this ep.

      Until V3, Blake's shadows  were static clones that stayed where they were left. Now Blake held the hand of one of her clones to help herself jump.

      Also, when Sun used his semblance back in V2, it seemed he needed to stay still to control the clones. This ep. he moved with them.

      I'm sure their semblances have evolved during the timeskip, just like Ruby's. But what I mean is that now it feels that the only real difference between them is visual.

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    • The seer reminds me of a yammosk from Star Wars legends

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    • RayStrikeAbius wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:

      As for the Metroid Grimm, it seems to be a Lieutenant Grimm. I wonder if it can talk. If a huntsman finds it:

      Ren: What the-

      Nora: -Hell is that?

      Metroid!Grimm: Human  Juvenile  Occupation   Huntsmen   threat level   problematic    heavy support required    dispose of them. (Retreats as Alpha Grimm of all types converge).

      That seems a bit too robotic for a Grimm. In my experience, intelligent jellyfish-like monsters are most often telepathic, and that seems to be how it was communicating with Salem.

      Besides, we all know the general never leaves the base of operations. At best we might see it try to strangle someone a couple seasons from now only for Nora to pop it like a balloon.

      I was trying to channel Abathur from Starcraft.

      Of course Generals leave bases of operations if need be. This Grimm is probably more calm and calculating than less mature Grimm, and would preserve itself it its death would more negatively impact the Grimm forces than if it died.

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    • The squid Grimm seems like the surveillance droids of Star Wars Rebels. Seems like Blake and Sun getting the doppelgangers to be like Naruto's. Able to be solid until broken by the enemy or cancelled. Wouldn't mind seeing Glynda getting an episode and seeing how Vale is doing. Showing some death around her would really raise the tension. I hope Sun doesn't end up being more harm than good with laid back attitude getting him killed by Adam or Sienna for taking them lightly.

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    • Sun won't die. Probably...

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    • I don't want him to. But if he's never gonna add more to the overall lore and story, then he can at least die to make him a martyr and grant more gravity to his words to Blake. She'll take what he's said serious and take it to heart make the changes she's needed to make since day uno.

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    • And maybe provide extra motivation to kill Adam, if he dies.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      The squid Grimm

      Jellyfish*

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    • GreyStark wrote:
      Sun won't die. Probably...

      Sun can't die... he's immortal.... he'll turn to stone then be saved By jaune returning his "gun-gun"(staff)

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      And maybe provide extra motivation to kill Adam, if he dies.

      Exactly. Follow me on this: 

      1 Sun imparts kind motivational words

      2 Blake blows him off due to her depression, fear, and general issues with her past

      3 Her family dislikes Sun but find themselves agreeing with him on the subject

      4 Blake pulls a "not you too, I came here for support and answers", her father gives her a tough love/blunt/being real answer with "no you came here for sympathy and to escape your responsibility."

      5 Blake runs off

      6 Adam attacks, Sun and family fight him while she's away

      7 Sun dies, Blake returns to witness it

      8 Father drives Adam back, Adam escapes with vow of rematch

      9 Blake buries Sun and finds resolve

      10 Blake kills Adam. End of Season.

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    • I doubt Sun will die, but he very well might get injured in place of #7 on the list. The same conclusions occur, except Blake has something of a happy ending and all her wounds and issues are healed or on the way to healing.

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    • If he doesnt die and she doesn't kill Adam, I would like Sun getting injured leads to Blake finding resolve and taking on a new hardcore training. And when Adam does resurface in teh show, she's ready for him while Sun is bedridden.

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    • did no-one get that reference?

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      If he doesnt die and she doesn't kill Adam, I would like Sun getting injured leads to Blake finding resolve and taking on a new hardcore training. And when Adam does resurface in teh show, she's ready for him while Sun is bedridden.

      Blake and Sun look like their going to be the second couple to begin onscreen. Unlike JauneXPyrrha however, this one won't sink immediately. If it does, it's probably a pattern RT's trying to tell us.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I doubt Sun will die, but he very well might get injured in place of #7 on the list. The same conclusions occur, except Blake has something of a happy ending and all her wounds and issues are healed or on the way to healing.


      on that note... I wonder what would happen if he lost his tail... would it affect his semblance?

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    • You know, since Sun acknowledged his arrival to Vale without his team from V1, I hope we eventually get an explanation of what he was doing on a boat coming from Vacuo.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:
      I doubt Sun will die, but he very well might get injured in place of #7 on the list. The same conclusions occur, except Blake has something of a happy ending and all her wounds and issues are healed or on the way to healing.

      on that note... I wonder what would happen if he lost his tail... would it affect his semblance?

      Well considering what happens to people who lose a limb... It could affect his balance if anything.

      Also, now I really want someone to make a Rocky IV parody with Blake and Adam training to fight each other, with Sun training her while injured in the place their staying in Vacuo while Adam trains at the White Fang HQ.

      Adam: I must break you...

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      73.Anon.52 wrote:
      on that note... I wonder what would happen if he lost his tail... would it affect his semblance?
      Well considering what happens to people who lose a limb... It could affect his balance if anything.

      but consider this... if his semblance creates images based on his body's state or his self image.... what happens to his clones?

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    • MetallicArcher wrote:
      You know, since Sun acknowledged his arrival to Vale without his team from V1, I hope we eventually get an explanation of what he was doing on a boat coming from Vacuo.

      Can't the dude just like boats? If Neptune can't handle them, I could see Sun's habit of boat tripping alone as letting his team take care of Neptune's insecurities while he enjoys the wonderful world of boating.

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    • I was kind of dissapointed by the way Blake simply took off her bow and threw it away.

      Personally, I was hoping for some sort of dramatic confrontation with Adam, in which he forcefully takes off her bow and claims that he always hated it, because, to him, it showed that Blake was ashamed of being a Faunus.

      On the other hand, watching Blake discard it so easily makes me think that she always hated wearing it too.

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    • we know she did... but it was rather unexpectedly soon.

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    • Blake littered! ):<

      Ocean man: Ryuuga waga teki wo kurau!

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    • Seum Dwa21 wrote:
      Blake littered! ):<

      Ocean man: Ryuuga waga teki wo kurau!

      Ocean Man ?

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    • Didn't you know it was okay to litter if you do it for symbolism?

      I agree Blake should've done the anti-bow thing at a more dramatic time.

      I doubt any harm will come to Sun without his tail. He's still humanoid. Just make due with regular human balance. If we cut off Blakes ears she'd still have 2 more.

      What's with the book near Yang? Did she consider studying up on the locale teachings Tai's been doing?

      VOX News? LOL Newsanchor with devil horns? I see you RT. Yall think yall slick. Nice.

      The symbol on Yang's coat is on Tai's arm as a tatoo.

      Bet what Salem is yanking on to get out of Cinder is that parasite Grimm.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
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      I doubt any harm will come to Sun without his tail. He's still humanoid. Just make due with regular human balance. If we cut off Blakes ears she'd still have 2 more.

      but consider this... if his semblance creates images based on his body's state or his self image.... what happens to his clones?

      so if he loses his tail(I'm guessing other body part loss would be unlikely given Yang's situation), would his clones still have tails? would their balance be better than his?


      Edit: and Blakes ears would likely be far worse, balance issues and terrible nerve pain would likely do a number on her.

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    • When Sun sees the full moon, he'll turn into a giant ape and wreak havoc everywhere, forcing Blake to cut off his tail to return him to normal.

      Oh wait, I'm thinking of Goku.

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    • Seum Dwa21 wrote:
      When Sun sees the full moon, he'll turn into a giant ape and wreak havoc everywhere, forcing Blake to cut off his tail to return him to normal.

      Oh wait, I'm thinking of Goku.

      Sun Goku is just Sun Wukong in Japanese. I wonder if that's the case for the Japanese dub.

      I wonder if Yang is going to start seeing "Phantom Yang" from the opening, who will begin to mock her.

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      I wonder if Yang is going to start seeing "Phantom Yang" from the opening, who will begin to mock her.

      Someone please insert A Scott Pilgrim picture reference...

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:


      WC-83 wrote:


      I wonder if Yang is going to start seeing "Phantom Yang" from the opening, who will begin to mock her.

      Someone please insert A Scott Pilgrim picture reference...

      Sorry, all I got are Metal Gear references.

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    • I wonder, will we ever get a small update as to what's happening to Vale during all of this? I would love to see Port, Oobleck, and CFVY engaged in a sort of guerilla warfare against the Grimm flocking to the city before the Metroid Grimm comes in with reinforcements, making the situation at home difficult.

      Also, the news report said air traffic to other kingdoms from Vale had been discontinued, except for evacuation purposes. Does that mean RNJR will have to run a blockade in order to get to Mistral, if they even find an airship?

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      Also, the news report said air traffic to other kingdoms from Vale had been discontinued, except for evacuation purposes. Does that mean RNJR will have to run a blockade in order to get to Mistral, if they even find an airship?

      RNJR is already in the Mistral continent.

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    • MetallicArcher wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:

      Also, the news report said air traffic to other kingdoms from Vale had been discontinued, except for evacuation purposes. Does that mean RNJR will have to run a blockade in order to get to Mistral, if they even find an airship?

      RNJR is already in the Mistral continent.

      It's ambiguous where they are actually. It would be easier if we had a map Nora. On a serious note, I suppose they are in Mistral due to the opening and the aesthetics of their location, but there's nothing solid.

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    • Except even the village elder confirmed they were on the continent of Mistral instead of Vale.

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    • HighCastle67 wrote:
      Except even the village elder confirmed they were on the continent of Mistral instead of Vale.

      this and the intro for an approximate location.


      As this is the speculation thread I feel like it will take most or all of this volume for RNJR to get to haven, or I'd feel that Watts vs. Ruby has not been properly been foreshadowed.

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    • Zoboso wrote: I'd feel that Watts vs. Ruby has not been properly been foreshadowed.

      Pretty sure it hasn't been foreshadowed period.

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    • Well Watts is being sent to Mistral...

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    • Tyrian vs. Ruby might happen. But so far fights have been pretty tame. So I'm not expecting much. Maybe if Ten and Ruby teamed up that would be something new. The usual fight pairings have run Their course.

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    • A catgirl, a ship and a god teamed up to take down a dragon. Said fight ending in that dragon getting impaled by the ship before having its head blown off.

      Don't know about you, but I wouldn't call that tame. Also Tyrian vs Ruby is pretty much going to happen. Opening isn't always accurate but teasing and not showing that fight would be ridiculous.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:

      Also Tyrian vs Ruby is pretty much going to happen. Opening isn't always accurate but teasing and not showing that fight would be ridiculous.

      Like Weiss vs. Emerald ridiculous?

      Also the fights have objectively better production value than the first two seasons, I think there's probably a problem in our ability to process the animation for them, it's a bit different than we're used to.

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    • Oh I knew somebody was going to bring that up. (Even though Ruby vs Cinder was certainly more misrepresented despite happening).

      There's a difference, that sequence was representing good guys vs bad guys and having Weiss and Emerald being omitted would probably stand out.

      Ruby vs Tyrian is both backed up by showing something that easily could have been replaced with something else and the show itself saying he's hunting Ruby down.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      -A catgirl, a ship and a god teamed up to take down a dragon. Said fight ending in that dragon getting impaled by the ship before having its head blown off. Don't know about you, but I wouldn't call that tame.
      -Also Tyrian vs Ruby is pretty much going to happen. Opening isn't always accurate but teasing and not showing that fight would be ridiculous.

      -Depends on what one means by "tame".

      -Just because an opening or 2 tease something, doesn't mean it will happen. "Not showing that fight would be ridiculous"? Well, what happened to the Emerald vs Weiss fight that was implied in previous openings?

      PS: Mmm, didn't notice the previous posts.

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    • Watching the episode again, Ironwood mentioned one of his top scientists was already working on Yang's arm. Could this be Penny's father?

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    • @Someone:

      -...Not exciting?

      -Either this post really lagged out and is late or you just ignored the post before your one.

      @WC: Not the first to speculate that. I believe there is a thread  for it.

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    • The fights have good quality. But I'm just not seeing the same exciting events as the fights on the trained in the episode no brakes. Those like Neo or Weiss fights were some of my favorite. And the fights in the beginning against the Nevermore and Death Stalker were great too. There needs to be more Grimm that are super smart or hard to beat or let the heroes fight Salem's crew earlier than saving it for later.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      The fights have good quality. But I'm just not seeing the same exciting events as the fights on the trained in the episode no brakes.

      I've seen comments like this many times on the internet. Seems to be a common feeling.

      Though remember they just switched from Poser to Maya, so they may be trying to find their ground.

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    • For me it has more to do with how the fights coreographed. In those acclaimed earlier fights there were no stops for reactionshots, oneliners and such. They felt real for me. Also, physics clearly hasn't returned from hiatus yet, what with for example Blake apparently being able to fly to an extent. Or Ruby now going bodyless in "petal form". Also being able to fly. It's weird. Plus a lot of flashy moves, though that was around in S3, and with Weiss, allways.

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    • @ SomeoneYouUsedToKnow and Leathercock:

      I see they need to find their stride, it is the start of the season. But lets take the quick fight at the end of season 1. Sun and Blake vs. Torch. I got chills when Blake was coming at him with all she had from all those angles and Torch says nothing, only chuckles as he deflects her. Or when Sun gets the muskets out and rapid fire shoots while nunchucku swinging. No pause. No breaks. No banter. No jokes. Just hardcore THIS IS IT battle. It felt like Jet Li and Jackie Chan but with super powers. And I got a Tony Jaa feel from Neo vs Yang and WF Lt. vs Weiss.

      But now, other than the fight with the Giest I feel nothing. It's like I like the characters, but the thought put into the fight does click. Something's off. Leathercock is right, Blake seemed to hover in air a few times. And as they fought a drake they seem to just throw shit at it. I know a sea snake isn't a martial artist. But it was nothing like the badassity of the Nevermore fight. YANG FUCKING RAPID BLASTED THE BIRD'S THROAT! Epic. Period.

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    • It probably is their inexperience with the animation software. It seems a bit floaty and over expressive at times (Blake alone is making all sorts of faces). I'm sure they'll learn to find their happy place and optimize their techniques accordingly. All the above about flying and such is just personal preference.

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    • @KNN I feel you on that whole post

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    • Leathercock wrote:
      For me it has more to do with how the fights coreographed. In those acclaimed earlier fights there were no stops for reactionshots, oneliners and such. They felt real for me. Also, physics clearly hasn't returned from hiatus yet, what with for example Blake apparently being able to fly to an extent. Or Ruby now going bodyless in "petal form". Also being able to fly. It's weird. Plus a lot of flashy moves, though that was around in S3, and with Weiss, allways.

      Agreed, Unfortunately, I think what they really need is a choreographer in a writer/directors chair... though a choreographer in general couldn't hurt.

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    • @Atebox and WC-83:

      Now as much as I liked those fights I named and the paladin mech battle of Torch vs RWBY, I'm not saying by any means this season's battle are rubbish. It's just they're B+ not A. Then again, they'll likely hold off on doing anything really cool and iconic for this season till we're like 7 or 8 episodes end. If there's 13 episodes, like all the past season, they're saving the best for the last episodes. So I can wait. I have faith in them. Even without Oum (bless his action god soul) they still are decent with coming up with epic fights.

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    • Zoboso wrote:

      As this is the speculation thread I feel like it will take most or all of this volume for RNJR to get to haven, or I'd feel that Watts vs. Ruby has not been properly been foreshadowed.

      It hasn't really been foreshadowed. What has been foreshadowed is that Mistral is where everyone is going to be headed or at by the end of this Volume. Ruby is obviously heading that way as is the bad guy pursuing them and the bad guy doing Salem's dirty work. Blake will eventually confront the White Fang (even she as much said so) and Adam indicated that they are based out of Mistral or have major operations in the Kingdom. Yang will presumably go chasing after someone be it Raven, Ruby, or Blake, and all but one of those we can safely say leads to Mistral and it is likely the other (Raven) leads there as well. At this point Weiss is the only one without some plausible cause for heading to Mistral. One possible explanation is that perhaps Watts is from Atlas and connected to the SDC or government, prompting Weiss to get sucked into things.

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    • I agree, it seems like the characters are now performing magic tricks in combat.

      Rubes de-materializing into 3 separate clusters of petals, and re-appearing in mid-air (Volume 4 Character Short) might be visually impressive, but unrealistic. They better put an explanation for that next time.

      And now, Sun can maintain a sitting position while airborne?

      The only "magic trick" that I am expecting is Weiss summoning the entire Giant Armor using a large glyph. (Just a theory)

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    • First of all, of course the physics is going to be unrealistic Tom Clancy. Did you (all of you) really believe the show was going to try and pull off plausible combat moves in an anime inspired show? If so, you've been fooling yourself because they never tried to do that. True it's floaty, but that's only because of the general inexperience of the animation team working with Maya.

      It should be noted that sound is important in the scenes too. The destruction didn't make things sound like things were breaking, and the music (an excellent but generic Casey Williams song) didn't carry the weight of the fight like Red Like Roses pt II did. This extends to the non action scenes too, like Salem's scene getting angry with Cinder. Instead of a simple tap and Jen Taylor sounding normal while the music played normal, it'd have impact if the sound was louder, Salem's voice was distorted, and the music included a little jump.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      First of all, of course the physics is going to be unrealistic Tom Clancy. Did you (all of you) really believe the show was going to try and pull off plausible combat moves in an anime inspired show? If so, you've been fooling yourself because they never tried to do that. True it's floaty, but that's only because of the general inexperience of the animation team working with Maya.

      I don't want realistic combat by any means. I just want the characters to say so if these are new powers they're tapping into from training their aura and semblance. I knew they'd get new moves but some to not fit their charcter. Sun doing Monkey King stuff makes sense. But Blake shouldn't hover in air. With Ruby I think she's gained crontol over how she scatters the petals of her aura and that is a way for her to do misdirection. As for her zig-zag cloak thing at the end of the Character Short, I think that was like a after image the momentum she gave off after coming down.

      I agree with Devil's Advocate that everyone gonna gravitate to Minstral but I think Weiss and Yang won't make it there by season end unless something major pulls them there.

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    • I personally thought the music during the Sea Dragon fight was awesome. I never apply physics to fantasy because its fantasy which always trancends the impossible. They literally have superppowers and people complain about realism. I don't notice really any differences other than the fact that they use their semblances more often. Lets wait until we see a 1 vs 1 fight before we jump to any conclusions about the choreography.

      I'm worried aout a Sun and Adam confrontation because Adam has shown to completely deplete one's aura with just a single swipe of his sword. I don't think they'll maim him because doing that again will not have the same impact. The whole bullshit I've been hearing lately about Sun not understanding Blake makes no sense. First of all Sun doesn't even know about Adam and his threat to destroy everything he loves. Plus Sun's conclusion if anything shows how highly he thinks of her. How she would go avenge her friends. The whole stalking for 8 months thing doesn't make sense to me. Because Sun stalking Blake for that long sounds excessive even if he likes her and wants to help her. I would like to believe that the writers just couldn't come up with a better explanation or this hapened during the timeskip.

      About whether Yang will except the robo-arm or not. I think she should learn how to fight with one arm so when she eventually puts on the robo-arm its not a crutch. Yang using one arm to fight in general is inefficient because it could mess with her balance. I hope we don't take forever to develop Yang out of this funk. I'm pretty sure the fandom doesn't want 6 episodes of her just moping around.

      Other than the fact that we liteerally have a crystal ball grimm, it seems there are artifacts (probably magical) and Cinder doesn't seem sure if she killed Ozpin or not.

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    • Adam's Moonslicer did cut thru all of Yang's aura in one go. The more he store up before release the more potent. It's like guns in RPGs. They ignore defense stats and do damage regardless (usually low though, but no so in this case).

      I think if anyone gets Blake it would be Weiss and Sun. Weiss because she's get running from your problems and in her case her family/father. And Sun gets her because he likely knows he's felt the sting of things he's done at times. Especially since he steals and stows away. His plan of what she should do made more sense to me, but I would just have had her take all of team RWBY to do it. Maybe Sun stalked her to watch her back not to just be a creeper. In that light 8 months shows dedication.

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    • For some reason I thinkthe fact that Sun constantly leaves his team behind will be significant, either in terms of development or plot. And Blake can just take down Adam since we official know he's not the leader.

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    • Either SSSN has adapted to be interchangeable with any team (anyone can lead them, since Sun isn't around often) or they just work on their own and don't follow specific direction (as seen from the NDGO match) and see what happens from there. Either way, it seems like a recipe for a team that doesn't stay together after graduation.

      Even though Adam isn't one of the head honchos, he is a good sergeant and is effective at tactical operatios. Him dying can be a huge loss. Suddenly the White Fang has lost an operative who had previously shown an ability to get shit done.

      Deery: Sienna! I just got word, Perry's squad was taken out and-

      Sienna: Well, we can't save everyone. They knew the risks, the revolution will be painted with the blood of the martyrs of-

      Deery: We also lost contact with Adam Taurus in Menagarie

      Sienna: Oh.....wow, this is....this is a pretty big loss

      EDIT: If they ever get around to how the Xiao-Long/Rose family was like before Summer died, I hope they show Summer's affection for both Ruby (obviously) and Yang, helping solidify the connection they all had. My headcanon is telling me that Yang is so connected to her hair because she used to hate it for being so long or whatever, but Summer convinced her it was special and to take care of it, and it stuck with her. Why am I speculating this or putting it here? Hell if I know, there's honestly little else to do in an English class other than lose your mind.

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    • TBH we have not seen a lot of Adam to determine his personality and traits. All we know is that he's a psychpathic extremist who loves Blake but wants to kill her and everyone she loves.

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    • TheQueenJess wrote:
      TBH we have not seen a lot of Adam to determine his personality and traits. All we know is that he's a psychpathic extremist who loves Blake but wants to kill her and everyone she loves.

      KINO and I were debating who Adam would be and why he is as he is (why he had fallen so far from the ideal Blake used to hold). I actually like the idea where he was terminally ill and essentially threw a temper tantrum and made it his mission to make humanity suffer (since misery loves company), but it is very far fetched and reaching.

      Another guess is that he made he genuinely fell in love with Blake (and she to him) after training her, but loved the cause as well (but not to the extent that he ignored her). As he killed more and more, and became more involved in the bloody revolution that the NuFang was advocating (and eventually, practicing by overthrowing the OldFang) he became more distant from Blake while still thinking Blake's his even though he isn't the Adam she used to know.

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    • Remeber the big shot of the 3 leads of WF. One was Adam, the middle bald one was likely Sienna, and do we know the name of the one of the left? This might also be a good time to learn the name of the original, less reactionary, leader of the WF.

      Adam's main strength is his battle skills. I bet leadership wise he's good, but in a fight I would be disappointed if he'd lose one on one to anyone but Qrow, Salem or maybe Hazel. Rage issues or not, building him up all this time, I doubt Blake can kill him alone. Even when she more one with herself, she'll likely need some special training he's never heard of to drop him alone.

      EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe Glynda can take him out. Her telekinesis is pretty fast and she could hold his body up against a wall and keep pressing him there until his aura shattered from the pressure. And she can do this from a distance since Adam only has a shotgun for long range.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      Remeber the big shot of the 3 leads of WF. One was Adam, the middle bald one was likely Sienna, and do we know the name of the one of the left? This might also be a good time to learn the name of the original, less reactionary, leader of the WF.

      Adam's main strength is his battle skills. I bet leadership wise he's good, but in a fight I would be disappointed if he'd lose one on one to anyone but Qrow, Salem or maybe Hazel. Rage issues or not, building him up all this time, I doubt Blake can kill him alone. Even when she more one with herself, she'll likely need some special training he's never heard of to drop him alone.

      Adam seems to be a leader, but there is a cat-like Faunus in the trio (tiger faunus maybe), maybe that's Sienna Khan (since Shere Khan was a tiger).

      If Adam loses, I wonder how. If he is as powerful as everything implies, how can he be beat? Does Blake, her parents (or whoever), and Sun have to fight him at the same time? Or will it just get in the way? Blake didn't have a weapon in the intro when "fighting" him, maybe she's trying to talk? At that point Sun would probably step in to stop her from being bisected diagonally.

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    • I still wonder if Sienna is one of Salem's minions or if Adam was the Vale head and thus never needed her permission... yet after this debacle she is calling him in to report and he just told her he'd bring his co-conspirator.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      I still wonder if Sienna is one of Salem's minions or if Adam was the Vale head and thus never needed her permission... yet after this debacle she is calling him in to report and he just told her he'd bring his co-conspirator.

      Sienna probably still has to be convinced. Adam was drafted, but he still got a good deal out of it, and is now returning from his successful crusade to move on to personal projects (namely "punish that bitch ho for leaving me without my say so").

      (PS: I have to stop hotlinking things....later XD).

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      Adam seems to be a leader, but there is a cat-like Faunus in the trio (tiger faunus maybe), maybe that's Sienna Khan (since Shere Khan was a tiger).

      If Adam loses, I wonder how. If he is as powerful as everything implies, how can he be beat? Does Blake, her parents (or whoever), and Sun have to fight him at the same time? Or will it just get in the way? Blake didn't have a weapon in the intro when "fighting" him, maybe she's trying to talk? At that point Sun would probably step in to stop her from being bisected diagonally.

      The Shere Khan sounds legit. 

      I think Adam's main weakness will be long range attacks. He has a sword and a shotgun. But for fast moving or long range enemies those aren't good choices. No doubt he has tactics to get in close on foes. But if he's besieged by lots of long range combatants (like Blake, Sun, and Blake's parents) I doubt he'd be able to drop them all. He'd likely have to retreat.

      Does anyone think Blake's mama can fight? I hope she's not a housewife and the father is some lumberjack douche who is always talking about being manly and wanting Blake to be more dainty or some BULLSHIT.

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    • KNN005 wrote:


      Does anyone think Blake's mama can fight? I hope she's not a housewife and the father is some lumberjack douche who is always talking about being manly and wanting Blake to be more dainty or some BULLSHIT.

      Tbh I'm wondering if they aren't WF leaders in their own right... or perhaps the deposed, "peaceful" ones.

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    • At the end of volume 3, I read a lot of fanfiction that gave me this headcanon.  And episodes 1 and 3 of volume 4 are only adding fuel to it:

      Salem is a motherly figure to Cinder.  Not so much that she adopted her, but Salem does care about Cinder.

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    • TheQueenJess wrote:
      For some reason I think the fact that Sun constantly leaves his team behind will be significant, either in terms of development or plot. And Blake can just take down Adam since we official know he's not the leader.

      Wasn't it said by the crew that Haven puts more focus on pair work than team work? If so, Scarlet and Sage are probably a pair, and Sun only leaves Neptune with them if he is going somewhere Neptune just won't go.

      Still doesn't answer what Sun was doing on a ship coming from Vacuo at the end of V1.

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    • MetallicArcher wrote:
      TheQueenJess wrote:
      For some reason I think the fact that Sun constantly leaves his team behind will be significant, either in terms of development or plot. And Blake can just take down Adam since we official know he's not the leader.
      Wasn't it said by the crew that Haven puts more focus on pair work than team work? If so, Scarlet and Sage are probably a pair, and Sun only leaves Neptune with them if he is going somewhere Neptune just won't go.

      Still doesn't answer what Sun was doing on a ship coming from Vacuo at the end of V1.

      You mean from Mistral, and he was coming to participate in the tournament

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    • This is just a feeling right now but, as we've caught up with all the ladies of RWBY now, I'm expecting chapter 4 to be following up with the bandits as well as Ren and Nora's apparent connection with them. I'm pretty sure that this will be the arc that will lead to the mid-season action episode.

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    • 96.56.114.210 wrote:
      MetallicArcher wrote:

      Wasn't it said by the crew that Haven puts more focus on pair work than team work? If so, Scarlet and Sage are probably a pair, and Sun only leaves Neptune with them if he is going somewhere Neptune just won't go.

      Still doesn't answer what Sun was doing on a ship coming from Vacuo at the end of V1.

      You mean from Mistral, and he was coming to participate in the tournament

      NO, I mean from Vacuo.

      It was stated in the ep. that the ship was bringing the Vacuo students for the tournament.

      Which is what brings my question of why Sun, who was studying at Mistral, arrived to Vale with them.

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      Adam seems to be a leader, but there is a cat-like Faunus in the trio (tiger faunus maybe), maybe that's Sienna Khan (since Shere Khan was a tiger).

      I've heard that idea before, that Sienna alludes to Shere Khan......why is it a thing? What makes people think it could allude to Shere Khan and not another Khan like, say, Gengis Khan? Allusions can include historical characters, after all.

      I think Adam's main weakness will be long range attacks. He has a sword and a shotgun. But for fast moving or long range enemies those aren't good choices. No doubt he has tactics to get in close on foes. But if he's besieged by lots of long range combatants (like Blake, Sun, and Blake's parents) I doubt he'd be able to drop them all. He'd likely have to retreat.

      1-He's very fast, so he can close in on someone easily, making long ranged attacks not effective.

      2-He can block bullets with no problem.

      3-Sun's gunchucks are not designed for long-range combat, but for short-ranged shots.

      4-We know nothing about Blake's parents, much less their weapons, if they have any.

      Overall, that point is nulled because Adam is indeed not weak to long-range attacks. Hell, not even things like hyper beams work.

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    • So finally read through all the tread after watching the episode. Yang not putting on the robotic arm makes me wonder about the possibly multiple reasons behind it.

      1.Maybe she scared to fight anymore, and she beleives as long as she's still handicapped she won't be expected to fight anymore. 2.Yang was rather proud of her Body, maybe she feels insecure about replacing any part of it with something artificial.

      Also does anyone remember the begining of the yellow trailer. "Scathing eyes ask that we be symmetrical, one sided and easily processed. Yet every misshappen spark's unseen beauty is greater than its would be judgement." These lines make me think It was planned for Yang to eventualy lose her arm before episode 1 even aired.

      Going back to the matter at hand(I swear that pun was unintended), I think this means we may see Yang fighting without a prostetic arm for possibly multiple reasons. 3. So she never forgets the consequences of rushing to battle and losing her cool. 4. If Ruby didn:t tell Yang about seeing Mercury before the invasion, she may be feeling guilty, and beleives missing an arm is her due karma after she alegedly dismembered Mercury's leg (an 'eye for an eye', and 'a limb for limb'). Remember while it was a fake peeformanve done mostly be Emerald, Team RWBY was on friendly terms with Emerald and Mercury.

      Speaking of Emerald and Mercury, is anyone else dissapointed that all they've done this volume is translate for Cinder and look scared? I mean I don't have a problem with them jumping ship to good guys eventualy. But they seem completely useless as villians at this point. If anything they've been designated as Cinder's hand servants while she recovers. Seriously, the three awesome villians from last volume are so pitable right now.

      -DefconDeceiver

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    • I believe that's the point, Emerald and Mercury being sidelined. They were awesome villains who caused an apocalyptic event to take Vale down, but they are big fish in a small pond, or they were until they came to Casa del Grimm, where they have to eat next to Deathstalkers and worry about Metroids staring at them as they sleep. It kind of shows how unimportant they really are in the face of Salem and Co. (Also, they probably couldn't get Yuri Lowenthal to come back, so Mercury's been left mute too).

      As for Yang's arm, I'm still thinking of Rocky IV and thinking she's gonna end up climbing a mountain on her own, and upon reaching the top will activate her semblance (and it will be awesome). On a slightly more serious note, she probably will do something dangerous eventually (maybe on accident), but the adreneline rush would remind her of how she used to want to do that all the time and cause her to focus to get out of her funk (maybe with the help of an American Ninja Warrior-style obstacle course).

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    • 70.195.136.159 wrote:

      Also does anyone remember the begining of the yellow trailer. "Scathing eyes ask that we be symmetrical, one sided and easily processed. Yet every misshappen spark's unseen beauty is greater than its would be judgement." These lines make me think It was planned for Yang to eventualy lose her arm before episode 1 even aired.

      -DefconDeceiver

      If she puts on the arm, she will still be asymmetrical.

      The fact it's silver even makes it so it contrasts with her general colour scheme.

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    • Fandom User makes some good points. If only there's some way for Yang to have a arm grafted on to her. Like the end of Naruto. Em and Merc can still be a threat but I bet the writers want new villains to get screen time now.

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    • As for Adam, despite his speed it may not be enough to handle a 3 way struggle of Sun, Blake and her pop. Its different from dealing with droids in cramped train car. Especially with his 3 opponents having aura, being gifted fighters, and at least 2 of those foes having the power to generate body doubles. Which makes for a even more so scattered fight.

      Imagine if Sun sent in his two fakes while Blake attacked. Every swing or shot Adam did would be wasted. Especially since the fake can be solid now and land hits. If he swings for Sun's fakes they aren't real so getting rid of them is pointless as Sun will make more. And if he swings for Blake she will just avoid with her own doppelganger. And if he keeps swinging and shooting at her he'll still have to contend with Sun and her father. Coming at Adam from all angles and a few people shooting from a distance would help a lot to dropping Adam. Even if Sun cant do long range shots his fakes can act as long range as he can stand a long way off and send them out at Adam. Maybe with Blake's gun she can play the ranged fighter.

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    • doubtful, as that is all OoC

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote: doubtful, as that is all OoC

      OoC? Out of character? How?

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      As for Adam, despite his speed it may not be enough to handle a 3 way struggle of Sun, Blake and her pop. Its different from dealing with droids in cramped train car. Especially with his 3 opponents having aura, being gifted fighters, and at least 2 of those foes having the power to generate body doubles. Which makes for a even more so scattered fight.

      Imagine if Sun sent in his two fakes while Blake attacked. Every swing or shot Adam did would be wasted. Especially since the fake can be solid now and land hits. If he swings for Sun's fakes they aren't real so getting rid of them is pointless as Sun will make more. And if he swings for Blake she will just avoid with her own doppelganger. And if he keeps swinging and shooting at her he'll still have to contend with Sun and her father. Coming at Adam from all angles and a few people shooting from a distance would help a lot to dropping Adam. Even if Sun cant do long range shots his fakes can act as long range as he can stand a long way off and send them out at Adam. Maybe with Blake's gun she can play the ranged fighter.

      While outnumbering someone is fine when not dealing with "conservation of ninjitsu", Sun really isn't equipped to deal with Adam, as his clones havent been shown to be able to land hits, just manipulate objects so I'd expect Adam to rip through one easily meaning at best it's a distraction, and at worst he makes one very dead monkey.

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    • That's why I'm saying Sun fights at a distance with his fakes as a distraction while Blake is up close using her fakes to dodge and get in position to land hits. If he father is a strength type fighter he can also help up close. Blake is versatile as she could so back off and shoot too. As much as I like Adam soon or later his aura would drop. He can't absorb energy from every direction. In the Black Trailer he needed Blake to buy him time while he did it. Thus Sun's again a good person to use to hinder him. As Adam loads up the Moonslicer he could have his clones go in the bother him hopefully ruining it.

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    • Adam seems like a tough fighter to predict, we've only seen him fight twice, he uses his moonshine to remove opponents entering the fight and as a finishing move

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    • But the attack is a single cut that needs to be built up the tougher the foe is. If he has a lot of enemies around him all coordinating attacks it'll be hard even for him to land a Moonslicer.

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    • It take too much time to charge when he's fighting solo, he's gonna need a partner

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    • I like how KNN is throwing in a character who we have no background information on lol. Plus Adam knows Blakes tricks and I feel like he'll be able to figure out Suns semblance rather easily. I mean he isn't a top leader in the WF for nothing.

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    • Aye but does he know how to fight a seven foot tall bear of a man, who probably uses the most badass sword or axe we're ever gonna see.

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    • Survey says yes. However that survey only consists of one person. Also Jaune already takes the cake for most badass sword, the classics always win.

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    • Even without Blake's father, the tactics I've talked about still stand up.  Just because Adam knows Blake moves doesn't mean she never made new ones. She's spent a good semester away from him training and fighting. If Adam has a partner, which I doubt since the WF Lt. was caught, and the two Faunus in the intro seem to be gunning for Yang.

      1 Sun hinders Adam's movements by constantly sending up fakes as soon as they're destroyed and have them get in Adam's way when he's trying to aim for Blake.

      2 Blake alternates between dealing damage up close and from afar with her blade and gun. And when Adam does get a swing off, using her fakes to avoid it.

      3 rinse repeat from lots of angles to disorient Adam

      4 If Adam tries to do Moonslicer, Blake backs off and fires from a distance or stops attack all together while Sun's fakes put on the pressure to ruin Adam's aim and maybe prevent the charge altogether

      5 If possible and Moonslicer is released, Blake needs to use a fake to avoid it (by having the fake toss her aside) and try to get behind Adam and land a hit immediately after the swing. Hopefully a stab into his back.

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    • Or lure him into a trap and bring down a rockslide on him, it's what I would do if I had to fight him

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      As for Adam, despite his speed it may not be enough to handle a 3 way struggle of Sun, Blake and her pop. Its different from dealing with droids in cramped train car. Especially with his 3 opponents having aura, being gifted fighters, and at least 2 of those foes having the power to generate body doubles. Which makes for a even more so scattered fight.

      1-Again, we know nothing about Blake's parents, or even if they can fight. And if they do, we don't know how skilled they are, or what weapons they use. For all we know, they are full-melee and nowhere near Adam's level. So drop them out of the equation.

      2-It's not different from dealing with Robots, because we're not talking about fighting skill, but just them firing shots. Difference would only be in the quality of those shots fired, and Blake's we already know Adam can block them casually. Sun's lack range as well. Even if they were moving it wouldn't make a difference, especially since Adam can more-than-easily keep up the pace.

      3-2 oponents. Both of which are no match for him, in both skill and strength. Sun and Blake are right now at like 2nd-year Hunter Level at most, when Adam's around Profesional level (Qrow, Winter, Oobleck.....).

      Besides, Adam was able to desintegrate the Spider Mech with a charged Moonslice, and dismembered Yang with a far less charged one. Blake and Sun wouldn't last in their current state.

      4-Blake's clones only serve to evade and move, and you cannot win through evasion alone. Sun's are too fragile, easily destroyed by a single blow, and Sun himself needs to stop to summon them, which is asking for defeat.

      And since Semblance takes Aura, spamming them is noobish and suicidal.

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    • I just wrote another tactic not including the parents. If yall don't agree, that's fine. But I stand by it.

      A rockslide would be good, but I have a feeling when they run into Adam again it'll be when they least expect it.

      That's why if I were Sun and Blake I'd come up with a strategy now. Better to let Sun know what he's going into if he hangs around Blake. She should tell him over the course of the boat ride. Then again, that might lead to a flashback about Adam's whole life.

      PS: I don't like Jaune's gear or weapon is that good. Seems too generic white knight-ish.

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    • if your fighting an opponent of superior skill then you need to rely on unorthodox tactics, natural hazards are a good example

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    • I say gang up on him or use MRSI.

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    • Use sound waves

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    • The Jaune thing was a joke lol. We don't know if Sun can even just spam clones and if that were the case why didn't he just send hundreds to fight the sea dragon to allow the boat to escape? I just don't think you're giving Adam enough credit while simultaneously over-hyping Blake and Sun.

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    • You're telling you don't think that using Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact with "bee hive" and napalm artillery shells won't work?

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    • Of course they'll work, I'm just suggesting a less destructive solution

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    • Do we even have confirmation that the man and woman in the intro are Blake's parents? Presumably they have some connection to her, but I honestly just have to wonder how she could have parents and do all the stuff she has done.

      When it comes to Adam, we are also have no evidence the intro is meant to show an actual fight. It seemed to me when I was watching it that this was basically happening in her mind in a dream or something. That makes much more sense to me.

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    • I took the intro as a literal intro for two new characters that work under Adam. Nothing more nothing less.

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    • Atebox wrote:
      The Jaune thing was a joke lol.

      We don't know if Sun can even just spam clones and if that were the case why didn't he just send hundreds to fight the sea dragon to allow the boat to escape? I just don't think you're giving Adam enough credit while simultaneously over-hyping Blake and Sun.

      I'm not over-hyping anything or underestimating Adam. I just think he has limits like everyone. I think that as a samurai-ish class fighting he's more about one of one fights. He did great against the robots but I doubt he'd win all the time against a tactic of guerilla warfare. Blake and Sun staggering their attacks at him while alternating between close up and ranged attacks would be ideal. Natural disasters are unreliable. I'd rather mix in traps and wide open space, make him run to chase you. Tire him out.

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    • GreyStark wrote:
      Of course they'll work, I'm just suggesting a less destructive solution

      Fine. I'll go put the artillery away.

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-I'm not over-hyping anything or underestimating Adam. I just think he has limits like everyone.

      2-I think that as a samurai-ish class fighting he's more about one of one fights. He did great against the robots but I doubt he'd win all the time against a tactic of guerilla warfare.

      3-I'd rather mix in traps and wide open space, make him run to chase you. Tire him out.

      1-The problem is that you are downright dismissing the fact that his limits are miles higher than Blake's and Sun's. It's like comparing a Lv60 character with a Lv19 character. Sure, both have limits, but the Lv60 is still miles superior.

      2-The White Fang are a terrorist group. Given the lack of good equipment besides what they manage to steal, and how most of their mooks at the least were civilians without any military training, it's logical to assume many of their victories were done through guerilla tactics.

      Which means, since Adam was part of the WF for years, he knows how to play guerilla as much as, if not more than Blake does. When both sides play guerilla, the old rules fall back into place: Quality wins over Quantity unless that Quantity is outrageously severe. And since Adam has WF mooks under his command, he wins on both aspects.

      And from a more Doylistic position, when have you seen anyone in this show use guerilla tactics? This isn't the kind of show for that.

      3-That's a level of preparation anyone can see will never happen just for Adam. And running is useless due to his speed. He's faster than Blake and Sun, and while Blake has her clones to help her out, Sun's are no good for evasion.

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    • In KINO's defense, Emerald used guerilla tactics against Coco, other than that nothing.

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    • Be that as it may be, no matter what Adam's "level" is, if properly executed someone could still out smart him. He could slip up, or get overconfident. If he's really gone completely insane, he may obsess over Blake and leave himself wide open to attacks from Sun. 

      If Sun and Blake aren't enough to drop Adam, then I would like to see all of RWBY in on this fight. The only reason I was only factoring in Sun and Blake was because I figure Adam would be at Blake's house when she arrived waiting for her in the dark with her family held hostage. So I was trying to see if I could come up with a way she could at least force him to retreat.

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    • We actually don't know if he'll be bested this volume. Something could come between them all before the end of the fight comes. I have a feeling Adam's going to stagnate in level for a good deal of RWBY while Blake and everyone else will slowly grow in power, eventually being able to go toe to toe with Adam.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      GreyStark wrote:
      Of course they'll work, I'm just suggesting a less destructive solution
      Fine. I'll go put the artillery away.

      He is the leader of a large group of WF. You can bombard them

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      1-Be that as it may be, no matter what Adam's "level" is, if properly executed someone could still out smart him.

      2-He could slip up, or get overconfident. If he's really gone completely insane, he may obsess over Blake and leave himself wide open to attacks from Sun. 

      3-If Sun and Blake aren't enough to drop Adam, then I would like to see all of RWBY in on this fight.

      4-The only reason I was only factoring in Sun and Blake was because I figure Adam would be at Blake's house when she arrived waiting for her in the dark with her family held hostage.

      1-Keyword being if.

      2-He's crazy and obsessive, but not a moron. His obsession with Blake won't make him commit mistakes just like that. Unless The Writers demand it by giving him the Idiot Ball.

      3-Nah, I'd rather Blake solved her own problems. Even if she got help, said help being the rest of RWBY feels idealistic.

      4-Adam was going to Mistral, Menagerie is where Blake is going. While they are pretty close, there's no way Adam gets to Blake's house before she does.

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    • While I love artillery, aerial, and orbital bombardments, he's not going to get taken out in a massive strike. Story demands that he be eliminated up close and personal, unless I'm wrong.

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    • Are we going to be getting an episode this weekend, or is it going to be a World of Remnant.

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:
      Are we going to be getting an episode this weekend, or is it going to be a World of Remnant.

      I don't think so, but maybe.

      They already did 4, but maybe they'll do more.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      In KINO's defense, Emerald used guerilla tactics against Coco, other than that nothing.

      I think they way the dropped the Giest was a little bit of guerilla tactics. It would be smart for not all fights to be DBZ-like. In that, more tactics are used to make up for characters who haven't caught up to the main villains' skill level. If everything comes to big blasts and OP power levels I might as well stop watching this show now. Far too many shows do this. "Oh you could never beat XXX. He's too powerful. He can cut anything and spot you miles away and ETC, ETC, blah blah". There's no need to dogpile on more and more power on to charcters. Just make them fight SMARTER. Mismatch them as they pair off. Have characters villains would least expect to work together to team up and come up with unconventional tactics to disorientate and overwhelm the villains. SMH I know everyone loves a good one on one fight but for Blake to pull that off we'd have to time skip another 5 - 6 years. And I'd hate for Adam to stay as he is forever just so everyone can catch up. I mean why would he? He's not locked up. So what would keep him from exercising and pushing himself? Arrogance? Lack of challenge? Come on. Keep the villains strong, just make the heroes able to capitalize off the villain's ego and outsmart them as they refuse help thinking the heroes are weak or too stupid to win against them. 

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    • Honestly, I don't think Adam is going to appear all that soon or die in this volume... but he should be headed to menagerie to meet Sienna.

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    • I'm pretty sure Sun's projecttion clones can fight since in volume 2 one of his clones had the bo staff. If we do get a fight between Adam, Blake, and Sun (doesn't need to be the final fight) I think everyone would like to see the return of the gun-chucks.

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    • That's not guerilla tactics, that's just skill. You're just thinking of brute force vs brute force, but DBZ is more skill based than you think. Even when Goku was Super Saiyan, Freeza was more powerful, but because he always limited his power, he wasn't used to fighting at full power and lost since he never practiced.

      RWBY by nature is more skill based than strength based. Emerald's fight with Coco in the forest wasn't skill based per season. She wasn't exclusively using her abilities, she was also manipulating her opponent.

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-I think they way the dropped the Giest was a little bit of guerilla tactics.

      2-It would be smart for not all fights to be DBZ-like. In that, more tactics are used to make up for characters who haven't caught up to the main villains' skill level. If everything comes to big blasts and OP power levels I might as well stop watching this show now.

      3-And I'd hate for Adam to stay as he is forever just so everyone can catch up. I mean why would he? He's not locked up.

      1-They most definitely did not.

      2-Remember who made this show. Remember what anime genre inspired this show. Remember what animes they used for "anime study" before/while making RWBY. You might as well stop watching this show now if you're expecting something else.

      3-He is. A rookie, like most main characters, especially Jaune, have the advantage of inexperience. Because it means they have great potential that they haven't reached yet, they still have ways to go. Adam? He's already finished it. He already has the experience and the training, and whatever potential he has left to reach is small, if any.

      That's how it is, always, everywhere. The advantage of being young is that you can learn and develop. The disadvantage of being older is, you already did, and developing becomes less easy.

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    • I hope they incorporate more semblance use like they are doing now in Volume 4. I mean it seemed like semblances during fights didn't happen too often in previous volumes. That's probably why I enjoy the fights more now. 

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      Honestly, I don't think Adam is going to appear all that soon or die in this volume... but he should be headed to menagerie to meet Sienna.

      But how long as long are we gonna drag this out? Will Adam be around for like 3 more season before Blake is ready to deal with him? I think at the end of Season 3 Cinder and Ruby should've fought and Cinder died. I don't believe in having the same villains stick around for more than 4 seasons a piece. Sooner or later they should be dusted off and other villains that are connected to them or the main mastermind should be the main focus of the season. I just don't want them to hotdog Adam till the final season and then after all those years of build up it turns out to be a quick 2 minute fight.

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    • KNN005 wrote: I think at the end of Season 3 Cinder and Ruby should've fought and Cinder died.

      Summer child, you have no idea of good writing. Cinder was practically a minor goddess at that moment. Ruby was a rookie. If it wasn't for Silver Eyes, rational logic dictates Ruby should've died, because she was inferior to Cinder in literally everything. There was literally no way for Ruby to defeat Cinder, except via Silver Eyes of God. Ozpin couldn't defeat her, why would Ruby?

      At the same time, killing Cinder off via a Deus Ex Machina/Ass Pull like the Silver Eyes would be in itself horrible writing. It was significant enough that it froze the Dragon, exponentially lowering the Grimm spawning numbers, if Ruby killed Cinder at that moment then everything about the villains would be a joke. "Maiden powers? Bah, still 1-shot".

      The Grimm already felt like pushovers pre-V3, and the villains didn't seem threatening enough. Had Cinder died, all V3 achieved in that regard would be nulled.

      I don't believe in having the same villains stick around for more than 4 seasons a piece.

      It seems you missed a fun fact: Volumes 1-3 were the prologue. The beginning of the book. Volume 3 in particular was supposed to be part of V2, but due to lack of time was forced to become it's own Volume.

      Yes, it took them 3-4 years to finish the prologue. Take that as you will. But the point is, the story has literally just begun.

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    • KNN does have a point though. We had Adam forever in this story and so far he hasn't done squat but maim Yang and terrify Blake. We don't even know about his personality other than that little tidbit of what Blake told us of him basicaaly turning from good guy to bad guy. Also the whole "my love" thing is kind of weird. Like does he love or hate Blake. I mean he did try to behead her. Also I the whole lack of inequality is still not shown. If anything there is nothing but equality between the Faunus and humans. I know someone said its in the manga, but I'm talking about the show not the manga. The show and manga are seperate entities. The whole negating aura is weird too because not only does this make him super OP, but it makes you think how is anyone supposed to beat him if he can just kill someone in one slice. So CRWBY needs to make him into more than just the person who harmed Yang and show more of him and some backstory or something.

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    • TheQueenJess wrote:
       The whole negating aura is weird too because not only does this make him super OP, but it makes you think how is anyone supposed to beat him if he can just kill someone in one slice. So CRWBY needs to make him into more than just the person who harmed Yang and show more of him and some backstory or something.

      He didn't negate aura, it's just that he was powerful enough to break through it in one blow. Though granted you could question how different that is. 

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    • TheQueenJess wrote:
      KNN does have a point though. We had Adam forever in this story and so far he hasn't done squat but maim Yang and terrify Blake.

      .....He appeared in the Black Trailer, wasn't mentioned or referenced again until Volume 2, was barely mentioned during Volume 2, had a semi-cameo at the end, and didn't do much in Volume 3.

      Yes, we've had him since forever. But that's not important. What's important is for how long as he been in the show. And it barely surpasses 10 minutes. He has barely been present. Number of Seasons or even episodes doesn't mean anything, what matters is the presence, the actual screen-time and importance.

      We don't even know about his personality other than that little tidbit of what Blake told us of him basicaaly turning from good guy to bad guy. Also the whole "my love" thing is kind of weird. Like does he love or hate Blake. I mean he did try to behead her.

      He's crazy.

      Also I the whole lack of inequality is still not shown. If anything there is nothing but equality between the Faunus and humans. I know someone said its in the manga, but I'm talking about the show not the manga. The show and manga are seperate entities.

      The Manga is "canon until it's not", so take stuff in it with salt. Even if taken for granted though, it wouldn't change anything; The discrimination they talk about so much is a major plot point, a big motivation for Blake, Adam and the White Fang. It needs to be shown in the show, not side-material that people must read online.

      The whole negating aura is weird too because not only does this make him super OP, but it makes you think how is anyone supposed to beat him if he can just kill someone in one slice.

      Like the anon said, he does not negate Aura. He just hit her so hard that her remaining Aura wasn't enough to stop the whole hit. The slash took it down to 0% and still was strong enough to deal damage. It's like rising your shield to block a hit and the shield getting broken in the process.

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    • What I meant was he was established to be a character in the show since the Black trailer and he has little to no screen. And the screen time we did get before the ending of Volume 3 basically establishes nothing of his character other than the fact that he's in the White Fang and hates humans. So I hope we get more of him.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      KNN005 wrote: I think at the end of Season 3 Cinder and Ruby should've fought and Cinder died.
      Summer child, you have no idea of good writing. Cinder was practically a minor goddess at that moment. Ruby was a rookie. If it wasn't for Silver Eyes, rational logic dictates Ruby should've died, because she was inferior to Cinder in literally everything. There was literally no way for Ruby to defeat Cinder, except via Silver Eyes of God. Ozpin couldn't defeat her, why would Ruby?

      At the same time, killing Cinder off via a Deus Ex Machina/Ass Pull like the Silver Eyes would be in itself horrible writing. It was significant enough that it froze the Dragon, exponentially lowering the Grimm spawning numbers, if Ruby killed Cinder at that moment then everything about the villains would be a joke. "Maiden powers? Bah, still 1-shot".

      The Grimm already felt like pushovers pre-V3, and the villains didn't seem threatening enough. Had Cinder died, all V3 achieved in that regard would be nulled.


      I don't believe in having the same villains stick around for more than 4 seasons a piece.
      It seems you missed a fun fact: Volumes 1-3 were the prologue. The beginning of the book. Volume 3 in particular was supposed to be part of V2, but due to lack of time was forced to become it's own Volume.

      Yes, it took them 3-4 years to finish the prologue. Take that as you will. But the point is, the story has literally just begun.

      I'm glad Queen Jess backed me up on this. Even if Adam hasn't been in the show that often or that much, us knowing about him and how they just barely sprinkle him in the show is obnoxious. It's like that old gag or the carrot just out of the donkey's reach as it walks. Or like how Thanos in Marvel movies is never fought and barely seen but mad hints are dropped about him. It's always "wait for the next movie wait for the next movie". I hope they aren't doing that with Adam. Don't save him up so long that the hype become tangiable and then it's a let down when it finally happens.

      Your opinion of my idea of good writing is just that, an opinion. Are we really going to sit here and get Grimm battles as they save Cinder and Salem till the end? How many time skips will we need for Cinder if she's god level? When's enough, enough? I think that Ruby should never have made it to Cinder alone. She should've been there with Nikos and maybe a few others (like Qrow or Glynda) so they could beat Cinder. I mean Merc and Em helped Cinder beat Amber. Wasn't Amber god-like?

      Villains would still be a threat post V3 because there would still be Watts and Hazel and Tyrian and Adam and Salem and the WF and Sienna and ALL THE OTHER VILLAINS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE NAMES FOR YET! So just Cinder dying, would that really break the show? Would that null everything? Not to me.

      If the story is just now getting started what does that say about the series' life span? Is this gonna end at Season 8? 10? If it takes 3 seasons to set up the beginning then either this is gonna be a short or drawn out series. Either way they need to give more time to the villains. At this point not having them on screen and battling or revealing their past only helps them if they want the villains to be completely unsympathetic to the audience.

      As for the Moonslicer, I agree with the shield reference. It's like blocking with a shield only to have the force hit the shield and knock you over. The Shield was there, but the power behind it still damaged you. Like the shield being shoved back into you and drawing blood and breaking a rib or your nose. Sometimes it's just better to dodge.

      But yes, Queen Jess, it's super creepy for him to say the "my love" shit. It ruined his character design for me. I wanted him to be more like Byakuya in BLEACH.

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    • Cinder being alive provides something extra to the show though. It shows just how small she is in the face of Salem's echelons despite appearing as a sultry, charismatic queen-bitch-of-the-universe type person. In reality, she's the black sheep, the cringy nerd of the group that everyone laughs at and gives swirlys to. Not only does it show how much more important these villains are, not only does it make us feel sorry for Cinder despite all her crimes (or at least make a valiant attempt to), but it gets on-screen some actual growth for a character, especially the main villain for the past 3 years.

      I actually (kinda) like that Adam's a creepy, possesive bastard. It means 13 year old girls can't easily turn him into some weeping, misunderstood pretty boy waiting for Blake to apologize to him. 

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-Don't save him up so long that the hype become tangiable and then it's a let down when it finally happens.

      2-I mean Merc and Em helped Cinder beat Amber. Wasn't Amber god-like?

      3-Villains would still be a threat post V3 because there would still be Watts and Hazel and Tyrian and Adam and Salem and the WF and Sienna....So just Cinder dying, would that really break the show? Would that null everything? Not to me.

      4-ALL THE OTHER VILLAINS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE NAMES FOR YET!

      5-If the story is just now getting started what does that say about the series' life span? Is this gonna end at Season 8? 10?

      6-If it takes 3 seasons to set up the beginning then either this is gonna be a short or drawn out series. Either way they need to give more time to the villains.

      7-I wanted him to be more like Byakuya in BLEACH.

      1-Who says that will happen with Adam? Or anyone? Be patient, simple as that. We're at the 3rd episode, there are still 9 more episodes, 9 more oportunities for the writers to use Adam, or anyone. And even if they don't, there's Volume 5.

      2-She was, but she didn't have as much experience as Cinder, and wasn't as merciless. Plus Emerald's hallucinations screwing things up for her, and she didn't go all out from the beginning, and forgot about her powers after being knocked down.

      3-Cinder has a role in the story. A role different from theirs. Is that role important in the long term? Maybe, we can only watch and see. But had she died, none of them could take said role.

      4-Which ones are you talking about?

      5-Yes. If you treat Volume as Season like RT does. Probably more than 10 if they see themselves forced to leave the half of a Volume as the next Volume, as was the case with Vol.2.

      6-Drawn out. And again, be patient. We're only at the 3rd episode, so your wish may well be granted. In fact, so far it doesn't look bad in that aspect.

      7-I'm not sure that's a good idea. Better, miles better, but doesn't ring me as a good idea.

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    • @ WC-83:

      What? Girls want that? They want Adam to get the Draco in leather pants treatment? Even I, a fan of Adam, know he's not innocent or misunderstood. He likely was decent guy at one point, but now he's a bitter, hate-monger, who wants one girl to bend to his whims. SMH Such a shame for such a cool looking character. 

      I'll give you that what you said about Cinder. It did kinda make me feel something when Watts belittled her when she couldn't even speak up for herself. He strikes me a total asshole. But what goes around comes around. Cinder treated everyone she met like morons for years. Now it's her turn.

      @ SomeoneYouUsedToKnow:

      1 I know we have a whole season left. It's just fear that it'll end up like 2nd Season and the season just ends with sweet action but few answers. I like a good fight. I LOVE IT. But let's be real. A lot of what we "know" about the villains is guess work and hear-say. Em and Merc and Cinder have been around a long time now and they still barely explain their motives. Adam may be used the same way. Likely because they don't want the villains to be understood. Like Hannibal Lecter, just a force of nature not meant to be known or understood, just feared.

      2 Forgot about her powers? What do you mean? 

      3 I grant you Cinder is a good villain. But she's not the only driving force of the villains. Hell, Watts seems to treat her like the team mascot or waterboy. Maybe, just maybe, Cinder is suppose to steadily get powerful and become better than all the other villains just like Ruby may do amongst all the other heroes.

      4 The two Faunus working for Adam. Sienna's other righthand man opposite of Adam. The mad scientist of Grimm Eclipse. And likely others shown in later season. I bet each season will have at least one new villain. Unless Neo and Torch come back.

      7 If he was more quiet and zen, he'd come off more like a wise warrior on the wrong side of the law. Not this maniacal Twilight's Edward-esque bossy possessive Scott Pilgram Evil Ex.

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      1 I know we have a whole season left. It's just fear that it'll end up like 2nd Season and the season just ends with sweet action but few answers. I like a good fight. I LOVE IT. But let's be real. A lot of what we "know" about the villains is guess work and hear-say. Em and Merc and Cinder have been around a long time now and they still barely explain their motives. Adam may be used the same way. Likely because they don't want the villains to be understood. Like Hannibal Lecter, just a force of nature not meant to be known or understood, just feared.

      3 I grant you Cinder is a good villain. But she's not the only driving force of the villains. Hell, Watts seems to treat her like the team mascot or waterboy. Maybe, just maybe, Cinder is suppose to steadily get powerful and become better than all the other villains just like Ruby may do amongst all the other heroes.

      4 The two Faunus working for Adam. Sienna's other righthand man opposite of Adam. The mad scientist of Grimm Eclipse. And likely others shown in later season. I bet each season will have at least one new villain. Unless Neo and Torch come back.

      7 If he was more quiet and zen, he'd come off more like a wise warrior on the wrong side of the law. Not this maniacal Twilight's Edward-esque bossy possessive Scott Pilgram Evil Ex.

      1. We have a lot more volume than S2 had... like an hour more content.  I'd argue the villains need to live longer to develop enough to have meaningful deaths... that includes meaning for the heroes... If Ruby's path is littered with unnamed corpses, she doesn't really fit as a "simple soul" when she gets to the endgame... and RT has stated 20 seasons is their goal, 10 is an unsupported estimate this fandom has run with as survivability seemed low for that long... but they never stated less than 20.


      3.  Cinder is more powerful than Adam... killing her out of turn would have been stupid.

      4. The WF is not the enemy, only the corrupt leaders are, we have no evidence the others are bad guys.

      7. NEVER mix Scott Pilgim with Twilight,  RT already ruined Adam's character, dont piss off other fandoms 

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    • I love Sun so much!

      Also I just want to find a way to teleport into RWBY and give Tai and Yang a hug.

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-Likely because they don't want the villains to be understood. Like Hannibal Lecter, just a force of nature not meant to be known or understood, just feared.

      2 Forgot about her powers? What do you mean?

      3 The two Faunus working for Adam. Sienna's other righthand man opposite of Adam. The mad scientist of Grimm Eclipse. 

      1-That's likely the case with Salem. Less so with Cinder. Nothing says that will be the case with Adam however. In fact, we know more about his motivations than the other villains, even if most of it (faunus discrimination) is just informed atm.

      2-Maiden Powers are independant of Semblance and Dust. While her weapon did have some Dust in it, she doesn't need it to, say, create a blizzard or shoot a fireball. After she got knocked down by Cinder, she forgot that part while she was defending herself.

      3-The 2 Faunus could just be nameless-but-elite mooks, like the WF Lieutenant was. There could even be more than 2, if those 2 were just a presentation of those Elite WF Mooks. And the Mad Scientist is called Merlot, it's even revealed in the game.

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    • The reason i satarted watching this show was because i like the Dead Fantasy videos Oum did. When i found out he was going to do a full show with a plot i was overjoyed. I had my beefs with the cast but i stuck it out and tried to see where it was going. I hated the school life stuff and the lack of cussing and blood (not that i like gore cuz i dont). But overall i love the show. But that doesnt mean its flawless. It has good potential but potential it may never reach if it follows the same formula other shows and games and comics have followed. 20 seasons is a long time. Likely a good 8 to 10 years. So theres room for change. Sad as i am that theyre making the choices theyre making now ill try to tough it out. But i cant guarantee i can stick with a show that long if it ends up just be a clone of other anime or manga. Ive turned other shows and comics loose for the same reason and it would wrong to stick with this one if it heads down this road.

      I just wish there was a sign of things getting better. Like more hints in past seasons of things to come. For all we know its not impossible they could be looking over forums on net and shoveling fan ideas in the show. LOST did that and no one found out till seasons later. So if there is some grand script and theyre sticking to it i guess ill just have to grin and bare it. Or write my own stories more often.

      PS: I never meant any insult to Scott Pilgram. I loved that movie and the comics. I was just stating my lamentation that Adam is more psycho than dark hero. I still dont want him to just never progress as a fighter. It seems lazy for a character to give or be unable to get stronger just cause their 20+ years old.

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    • You sound just like me around Volume 1 around the dreaded Jaunedice arc, thinking RWBY's gonna up and die because of how imperfect it was back then. You think RWBY needs to get better when RWBY V3 is one of the best of all. Volume 3 was one of the most impactful moments in anime, a large ramping up of the HSQ (Holy Shit Quotient). Thinking RWBY needs to get better after that is a fools proposition. Volume 3 is a tough act to follow, of course things are going to look worse in comparison, Dr. Pepper always tastes worse after you've had Root Beer earlier.

      Again, we are 3 episodes in (3 quality episodes in) and all you can do is whine that it isn't the story you thought it'd be. What is wrong with no cussing anyway? Fanfictions always go from a series with no swearing at all to dropping f-bombs everywhere, and often because it's edgy or something. There is nothing wrong with no swearing, it just means it can be viewed in polite company. Gratuitous swearing on the other hand just gets old.

      Also Adam was dark, but it was clear his hero days were gone, and that's when Blake left him. Adam was willing to kill innocent people on a train and not even bat an eye, and that could easily had been the straw that broke the camel's back (that is the say, a comparatively smaller thing he's done, but it's gotten to the point that she's done with it).

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    • Why is it every time someone is sad about how something turned out people assume they're whining? Isn't it possible say "I don't like how things are going" without gaining the ire of everyone else? I like the show but I'm not gone a lie and pretend it is always good IMO. I don't need cussing. It was just something I pictured at least the adults doing. For too long the show came off as just a teenage school life romp. That's why I was happy when things got dire in season 3. But I just don't want to go backward to a "villain/monster of the day" approach. And now there's talk that adding in more strategy was never where the show was headed. That somehow power levels and who's OP was the name of the game all along. Weak.

      I feel like the show was growing. Maturing and then it hit a wall and stopped. Even if we're three episodes in what happens if it 6 episodes in and still nothing? How long do we wait for answers to villain motives? How long before Raven appears for longer than a sentence? How long before Adam fights a full fight? What about Salem's past or Watts or any of the villains? Glynda is in Vale fixing it up? Really? Hows that going? Will we get hear it first hand? Merc killed his father? Why? Em's orphan? What city was she from? Where is Salem' HQ for that matter? Why was a dragon in a fucking mountain?

      Heres my point: piling on questions and tossing in fight scenes isnt progression. Why dont they set certsin seasons to answering certain questions and defeating certain villains. Too many shows have villains stay unknown and alive till the last episode and then we grg cliff deaths and random info dumps to try a quickly explain what the could have explained little by little since episode one.

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    • Some details are unimportant, or they assume we're smart enough to figure it out and read between the lines, and others aren't revealed because it's not the right time yet. We don't know Salem and Watt's pasts because it wasn't revealed to us, nor was it intended. We should not know Salem's backstory from the get-go, the mystery of her is a strength, she's an unknown entity, an abomination against nature that is leading a dark war to destroy all of humanity and snuff out hope. Watts? Her right hand man, and that says enough for now (I bet he'd be so steeled and used to the Grimm he'd end up chatting with the Metroid Grimm).

      As for the minor details:

      • Merc killed his dad because his dad was an asshole who cut his legs off (maybe),
      • Emerald is most likely from Mistral due to the prescense of a dark criminal underbelly in Mistral and the fact that she is not native to Vale (Vacuo is another choice, but Cinder and Co claim to have come from Haven, and Cinder found her first, implying they're both from Mistral),
      • Salem's HQ is either on the darker parts of the world (Western Dragon continent, the dark parts of Mistral's continen) or in an alternate dimension we don't know,
      • The dragon was defeated or frozen via the SEW long tme ago, and after laying dormant for so long without enough negativity to feed off of, that an entire mountain grew around it and buried it (and mountains take a LOOOOOOONNNGG time to grow).

      It's plenty progression, because we do know more than we did before. And this isn't just DBZ powerlevel fights, and most certainly not monster of the week. They certainly advance the story in the in-between. In contrast to the Geist fight that is ultimately pointless (though paints a picture of what ordinary villages have to deal with), the sea dragon fight allowed Sun to make his reappearence, give us a good action sequence, and show the conflict that's happening between Blake and Sun after V3 ended. I can't articulate it well, but this isn't Star Trek, these aren't bottle episodes, they advance something and are nice to see, they just don't reveal everything at once.

      Like I said (and you must have ignored), Volume 4 is only looking disappointing because Volume 3 was so good, it's a tough act to follow, and for what it's worth it's still pretty good. And again, the show just started. We will learn more about the villains when they tell us. You just have to wait and be patient.

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    • @ WC-83 I didn't ignore what you said. It makes sense. But ive watched lots of shows promising big reveals to make up for all the waiting. And they fall short with a rushed "left to your interpetation" finale. Remember Mass Effect? Remeber the promise that all your decsions would come to a head. But it ended with just a 3 option question. Then skips the whole subject entirely for the 4th game. Shows do that too even more often. Supernatural. Lost. If a show isnt cancel it eventually collapses under it own canon lore. I just dont want to see happen to this show. Its basically a struggle indie show that has a niche following. This is legit worry. As this show is one of few good ones left. They took Thundercats from me. Avatar Korra and Aang are over. And who knows when Wakfu will come back (tho Young Justice got a 3rd season finally).

      Im not saying nothing is explained. But its set up so uou have to watch a lot just to get a single answer. And it may be an answer buried in an episode that didnt even star familyharacter. I had to rewatch the first 3 episodes of this season just to get my thoughts straight before made some of my recent threads. No doubt season 3 was the best so far. But i do have hope for the future of this season. 1 Sun will likely pull his weigh plot wise again. Which is good due to his dumb moments of that junior detective fad killing the character for me. 2 new villains, tired of Em and Cinder 3 maybe get to see the origin of Grimm, maybe a possible solution to Grimm proposed 4 new areas and cities, tired of Vale 5 new grimm that are better killers. 6 more Qrow and maybe some team-up, like most of the adult characters hes kept always out of episode focus and limelight 7 possible detective work needed by Weiss to figure oit corruption in her famil and maybe with Ironwood as he Watson 8 hopefully more death amongst the cast to raise the stake and epicness 9 possible chance to hear why Summer Rose died 10 likelihood of another maiden revealed

      These are the reason i keep watching other than the sweet fights and the characters i fav the most.

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    • 20 seasons take 20 years... not 10, maybe 15 if by Season 10 they have enough staff to "double up"... but I have never seen a company decide to do that and it likely would strain Jeff & Casey Williams too much to bother.

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    • I really can't see rwby going beyond ten seasons without becoming boring. Ending it at its peak might be the best option

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    • considering this is the season it "begins" I don't think it would Peak before or on the 10th season... 10 Seasons with a total runtime near 2 days isn't that bad.

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    • Plus each season is only a short 12 episodes. It wouldn't be the only one out there (No game No Life for example), but seasons so short means theres room for a lot more. Also despite the entire Marvel Cinematic being one continuation plenty of people aren't tired of it. As long as there is still plenty of rich material to cover (without feeling like their reaching for the bottom of the barrel) Rwby will continue to be fresh and entertaining. That said Rt might produce some slow sections in between, like Red vs blue season 11, though that was used to set up the chorus trilogy.

      -Defcon Deceiver

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      Volume 3 was one of the most impactful moments in anime, a large ramping up of the HSQ (Holy Shit Quotient). 

      Impactful=/=Good or even Better. It was shocking because it jumped way too much way too quickly into Dark and Edgy territory with a horrible case of Cerebus Syndrome. All it did was divide the fandom, and quite a number are 2 steps away from ditching RWBY since they feel it's "not the show they loved anymore", a feeling normal when a work like RWBY does a 180º.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      WC-83 wrote:
      Volume 3 was one of the most impactful moments in anime, a large ramping up of the HSQ (Holy Shit Quotient). 

      Impactful=/=Good or even Better. It was shocking because it jumped way too much way too quickly into Dark and Edgy territory with a horrible case of Cerebus Syndrome. All it did was divide the fandom, and quite a number are 2 steps away from ditching RWBY since they feel it's "not the show they loved anymore", a feeling normal when a work like RWBY does a 180º.

      agreed with Someone... though I'm not about to drop RWBY, I feel they really need to better their fight choreography back towards how well Monty did it in Volumes 1-2(and 3, though he only did parts of certain fights) to keep me as a die-hard fan past V6.

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    • THANK YOU! Was saying that a lot and yall weren't getting on board but now suddenly it's legit. Whatever.

      As long as we're in agreement that drawing out RWBY even if it has great battles is a no-no. That's why they shouldn't drag their feet on explainations. Because if they wait too long they'll lose fans by the time the reasons behind why things are is finally answered. No one should have to wait an entire show with lots of season just to answer some questions about characters that was brought up since their inception.

      EDIT: Though I don't think it jumped to dark too soon. It couldn't come fast enough for me. I want to take the characters seriously. There were times in seasons 1 and 2 it felt like My Little Pony. "Crater Face" "Gross, vomit". Weak.

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    • I'm not sure I understand who you're responding to...

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    • I didn't think the tone shift was too jarring and quick, since volume 2 was kind of implying that the incredible time of peace was just waiting to fall apart, the first half of V3 solidified that. It was still shocking to see though (PVP is still tense to watch, especially with the reaction video Mash up), and seeing the ensuing finale battle is essentially seeing the happy starter rpg village being leveled, except it's not trite and forgettable.

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    • KNN005 wrote: There were times in seasons 1 and 2 it felt like My Little Pony. "Crater Face" "Gross, vomit". Weak.

      Fun Fact: There are Bronies in RT.

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    • Exactly. Direness. Epicness. High stakes. Earth-shattering revelations about the story's lore. That's what keeps a story going. Season 3 did that in spades. I hate tournament battles, but even those were better than the school life bully BS in Season 1 and 2. A tone shift is good because if it didn't happen we'd see nothing of Salem or the league of evil fuckers popping up now. I mean what would season 4 be about if Vale didn't get ruined? Would it just be the doing more assignments and trying to "find themselves". SMH don't make me slit my wrist. Sitting thru more season of light-heartedness isn't what the show ever needed. Not in my opinion.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      WC-83 wrote:
      Volume 3 was one of the most impactful moments in anime, a large ramping up of the HSQ (Holy Shit Quotient). 

      Impactful=/=Good or even Better. It was shocking because it jumped way too much way too quickly into Dark and Edgy territory with a horrible case of Cerebus Syndrome. All it did was divide the fandom, and quite a number are 2 steps away from ditching RWBY since they feel it's "not the show they loved anymore", a feeling normal when a work like RWBY does a 180º.

      RWBY fandom has always been rather divded from the start though.V3 just added to that

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I didn't think the tone shift was too jarring and quick, since volume 2 was kind of implying that the incredible time of peace was just waiting to fall apart, the first half of V3 solidified that.

      Implying that things would get darker is one thing. Jumping from Light-and-Soft to Dark-and-Edgy suddenly and jarringly is another thing. Implying the former doesn't mean the transition should be quick and sudden.

      And I don't see how the first half of V3 solidified any of that.

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    • I always felt the maiden plot  was meant (At least in part) to be a transition in tone.So to me it wasnt that sudden.
      
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    • Personally, I still don't see RWBY as being all that dark. Characters, good and bad, often die in Disney animated movies. You also have some such as Hunchback and especially Black Cauldron that are pretty dark. RWBY is pretty much at Disney film darkness levels. Maybe you could be charitable and say we are at Star Wars original trilogy darkness levels, widely watched by children. Talk to me about a massive shift when they at least reach Star Wars prequel trilogy darkness levels.

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    • KNN, do you mean the junior detective stuff in RWBY Chibi or RWBY Season 2 finale? Because I thought the Sun and Neptune scenes in RWBY Chibi were absolutely adorable and hilarious. But if you mean in the Season 2 finale, I was kind of upset that they just showed up with badges but didn't do anything. I want Sun's gun-chucks back and more fighting from Neptune.

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    • @ Queen Jess:

      I feel like Sun is goofy but still a fighter. But they seem to want him to be this Luffy type where he's more comedy than anything else. I cringed when he and Nep showed up In Breach with the childish badges. I'm a 31 year old man, so I know that wasn't a scene made for me. But who was it made for? Who was ROTFL to that? 10 year olds? That was funny? We're in the middle of a fight. And It was a joke made right before Fox and Coco laid down the law on Grimm. So it made the joke even more wasted time. In RWBY Chibi, it's all comedy all the time, so I don't care. I just stopped watching it and waited for the canon episodes. But one thing the Chibi eps do I can't shake off, the skits about the villains. COMEDY WITH CINDER AND MERC AND EM? No. Bad RT. BAD! No paid membership for you! BAD! 

      In short, I want what you want. I want Sun and Nep to be a driving force in the show. Stop making them ONLY comedy. Even in the sea dragon fight, I wasn't blown away by Sun. He's gotta show me how serious he can get like he did against Torch on the docks. I'm a serious guy, and I like my action DEAD SERIOUS.

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    • @KINO: You must be fun at parties :P

      Seriousness is certainly welcome (especially in comparison to the very fluffy Volume 1), but there's a time and a place, for both seriousness and jolity. Penny dead, Grimm razing Beacon, and Ozpin probaby dying? Probably not the best time for jokes (except for one, just to let us breath, which some people might not want for some reason... ). Stone Grimm fighting team RNJR while Jaune's equipment is in the wash? That's a recipie for a somewhat comedic but action packed fight.

      As for tone in a work:

      "Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke." —Joss Whedon

      I think that quote is very important for any work, especially one that wants to be dark and edgy and still wants the reader to follow the story, by having a little humanity in it, by having some relief from the oppressive nature of a work (unless it's Berserk, which has its own special rules, but even Berserk knows when and when not to lighten up). 

      There can only be a certain amount of characters with a driving force before we get overwhelmed. That was a problem I was worried about early on, that there'd be so many important characters that RWBY (the main characters) would get buried underneath them and it'd just be about who would normally be side characters (and shows NEED side characters, and most if not all of SSSN are those).

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    • @ WC-83:

      Who care about being fun to be around? I love the Lord of the Rings movies, the last Hobbit movie, Marvel and DC movies, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Beebop, Kenshin, Street Fighter lore, FFs, Tales, Wild ARMs, Chrono Cross, Xenosaga, FMA and hundreds of other anime, manga and JRPGs. This isn't about the laughs! This is about that moment when heroes and villains are staring each other down in a fucking rainstorm on a cliff and both sides are wondering if these are their final moment. When I listen to an RPG's OST albums, I don't give a fuck about the music used in a comedy scene or a town. I WANT THE BOSS BATTLE THEMES!

      I just don't believe in making characters strictly for comedy. A sarcastic joke now and then is fine, but most of RWBY comedy doesn't make me laugh. I laugh at how awesome a scene is. Or no cruel Torch can be before he gets his comeuppens. Not from puns like Weiss made after Torch first introduced Neo. And not like the dance scene at the prom. BY FAR THE WORST EPISODE EVER! PERIOD.

      Wait what are you talking about with the sex-choking link ref?

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    • Thing is.This is a RT show.Comedy will always be there becasuse its kinda what got them famous.Even Red vs Blue at its darkest contained a lewd joke or two.Its just something I've com to accept.


      Also.Funny you bought up Mavel movies.Since alot of people have the same problem with there comedy you have with the comedy here

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    • @KINO Shame, Skyrim's got amazing town and overworld music. But you can't expect it to be dramatic all the time. Sooner or later there has to be something to let off some steam before moving forward (unless we're in full on endgame mode).

      My favorite DLC for any video game is ME3's Citadel dlc. Why? Because it's a much needed diversion from the Reaper war happening outside, and aside fron comedic moments, there's a lot of action and heartwarming moments. It even lets you bring your love interest on a mission or invite them to your apartment and have a real moment. It's a moment of humanity and nostalgia for those who played the whole series, and very little happens in terms of the plot, and that's GOOD.

      The hotlink is a joke about people who don't want comic relief or a moment to breathe in their media (hence the joke about erotic asphyxiation...killjoy).

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    • @ Random User:

      But I just ignore any bad jokes in Marvel movies. Tho some do make me laugh. About 40% of the time.

      @ WC-83:

      IMO it's a misconception that one needs to "turn down". Keep the pulse pounding. Think about it. If you keep the hits coming the game always feel like danger and suspense are around every corner. Sure you should be able to relax, but that's what the off button is for. Just turn the game off to calm down. It's not that I hate comedy. It's just that I think when it comes to RPGs and other epic mind-blowing quest-like tales it ruins scenes when characters break the fourth wall or make puns or have little giggling moe cute moments. SMH Naw man. It's about the task at hand. What if Salem started cracking wise? What if she started making dry British dead pan witty jokes at her round table meetings? Would that help? No, not to me.

      Sure there's times to deepen the characters with nice humane moments. I really liked ME's conversations as they went in elevators or when characters would date each other when you have them in the party all the time from game to game. But that stuff needs to be sparse for me. Save it for when it's not a fight happening and for when it's not a major problem happening. 

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    • I think you just have too many bad experiences with comedy in normally action based shows and games. It almost is never what you said above. Aside from the very definate final battle (think the last half of Season 5 of FMA where the final battle happens, or the Siege of London in Hellsing, but even those have some down time), there almost definately be some down time in the series (not in the middle of battle, and if they are, not wacky moments). 

      Also Salem can very well pull-off British deadpan wit if it's used well (just to show how above it all she is). Not sure how to explain it, but it's something that would make her seem smarter for using it.

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    • @ KNN

      TBH I loved Sun in serious mode when he was fighting at the docks. But I also like light-hearted Sun when he's making me laugh. I like how he was making jokes while still being awesome, especially with his semblance (which I've been dying to see again since the reveal). I'm fine with them not making Sun dead serious when it comes to Grimm fights. But I'm pretty sure when whatever threat is coming to Menagerie arrives, Sun will get serious. I hardly believe that the writers would have Sun joke around when or if he fights Adam, because that would just be plain horrendous. I appreciate the levity Sun brings to combat Blake's gloominess.

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    • I agree with WC-83 on this. You can't really pull off a pulse-pounding story well if the pulse is always pounding. Things like Doom 2016 can do that because the very little plot that exists allows you to go on the sickest heavy metal rampage.

      For you, that's the best thing ever, but for a general audience that gets really old and desensitizing after awhile. So the moments that really should drive home end up missing. A couple of jokes from the more funny characters aint a bad thing unless handled poorly.

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    • @ Queen Jess:

      I'm not saying you can't like what you want. It's fine. I'm just saying I hate it. With a passion. Those moments don't make me laugh. They make me angry. It's like stalling to me. I want to see what happens next. Not stare at him grinning and popping a V for victory sign/peace sign. 

      @ WC-83:

      If Salem told a few sarcastic stinging jokes, okay fine. But what if she got put into some RWBY Chibi crap? That would kill her as a source of horror. When I write, I write like everyone chapter is the final battle. Like something big is always coming. Like major plot point is nigh. That way when I re-read it I'm always thinking "this is the good part". That's my style. RWBY is good, it'll likely always be my favorite thing to watch on the net. And it's because I feel so much for the show that I can get this passionate about it. But I just can't ignore it if they give me another season with fluff like Season 1. I want answers and I want them EPIC!

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    • Adding Cinder and her crew in the RWBY Chibi made them look so adorable. And the jokes they had with them were funny. But that doesn't stop us from remembering what they did the Beacon and Pyrrha.

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    • @KINO

      Why are you always going back to RWBY Chibi. Of course those moments are going to stay there, and if some comedy is going to be brought in, it won't be the main focus and will at least serve a point. Don't use RWBY Chibi as an example for what RWBY will become, it's a fallacy and you know it. Besides, we haven't gotten a single laugh out of the villains, everything centered around them has been super serious and horrifying (Metroid Grimm, natch).

      And if it's answers you want, let me give you some advice . RWBY is not going to cater to your need for answers to enjoy a story, it's not always a necessity to info dump exposition on to you because you are impatient. If you need to bite into something to prevent you eating your own skin, speculate. Do what we've been doing and speculate on what's going to happen (and see how close you were).

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      ...But I just can't ignore it if they give me another season with fluff like Season 1. I want answers and I want them EPIC!

      Season 1 is never happening again... the show is no-longer that asset starved or Short, that is a completely misplaced insecurity.

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    • Queen Jess: To me it made Cinder's group seem like Pinky and the Brain.

      WC-83: I am patient but lots of shows have reward my patience with a huge let down. Usually right before being cancelled or jumping the shark. I've quit more shows than I still watch. And speculating is frown upon around here it seems. Most people I run into seem to live to take you down a notch whenever you state an opinion. And if it does come true no ones gonna say "oh yeah, Kokayi said that was gonna happen." What's the point of discussing anything when it always has to turn into a war zone. People slipping in childish name calling passive aggressively and if you call them on it "you're being paranoid". Same old same old as most sites. I swear, loving a show and being a fan is always tested when people treat you like shit for loving the same thing they love but not in the way they think you should love it.

      Anon: I hope so. We'll see.

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    • Personally, I don't like to speculate to much because eventually your dream theory gets crushed by the show itself a lot. And some are people put out theories that really stretch to make a connection, and/or they dress a pretty crazy speculation as factual instead of "Hey, wouldn't this be interesting if x happened to y".

      One theory I kinda liked was Remnant is a remnant of Earth. But how they pesented it on the map and the fact that Remnant is a bunch of random ketchup squirts, it looked bad.

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-And speculating is frown upon around here it seems. Most people I run into seem to live to take you down a notch whenever you state an opinion.

      2-And if it does come true no ones gonna say "oh yeah, Kokayi said that was gonna happen."

      3-What's the point of discussing anything when it always has to turn into a war zone. People slipping in childish name calling passive aggressively and if you call them on it "you're being paranoid". Same old same old as most sites.

      1-Let me quote LiveandSound: "Everyone has the right to their own opinion, to love, and hate, what they want. Thus, everyone has the right to their own opinion about everyone else's opinions...".

      In other words, if you have an idea, you have the right to say it, but just as much, everyone who disagrees has the right to say it, and why they disagree.

      Speculation is not frowned upon here. But when you enter or start a discussion, you can't expect everyone to just accept your ideas, especially if they disagree with them. Having multiple ideas shot down by others? Tough luck, suck it up, or bring them back with a rational argument or evidence, the same way they are (normally) shot down by those same people.

      2-Actually, people here have done that. More than twice. I've seen it for myself.

      3-The name calling is one thing, what matters is your reaction to it and the gravity of said name calling. People calling you "paranoid", think about why would people think that before anything.

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    • I'm fine with people disagreeing with me. But the passive aggressive insults? Is that how things are done around here? I haven't insulted anyone so why am I catching this heat? 

      In my experience most people don't want to give credit because it's not credit they can take. But that's just my experience.

      People call people paranoid to make them second guess thinking people are out to get them. That way they can continue to laugh at you behind your back all the while you're thinking "it was just my imagination, I need to mature, they're not mocking me, it was my own insecurity". It's reverse psychology. Everyone doubts, so people play innocent to make you feel like a heel and doubt you accusing them of what they did. Then you feel bad for accusing them. Yet all the while you were right and they're still laughing at you behind your back. People do this to me in real life because they know I wouldn't hesitate to smack them if they outright admitted trying to insult me for no reason other than they felt like it. It's what sneaky people do. "How can I hurt him emotionally in just the right way that will render any reaction he takes after to be frown upon?" It's internet trolling 101.

      Back to the point: Other than the two that inherited the full rights to the show after Oum died who are the writers? Maybe the problem here is one of the writers I have a beef with not all. Maybe their style of comedy just doesn't click. Is the RWBY chibi writers the exact same as the canon RWBY show?

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    • As much of an asshole Live was, that statement does make sense (as long as it doesn't result in bullying or Live's patented "kys").

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    • @KNN RWBY Chibi was definitely in part written by Miles and Kerry.  Also, your whole denial of being paranoid reeked of paranoia.

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-People call people paranoid to make them second guess thinking people are out to get them. That way they can continue to laugh at you behind your back all the while you're thinking "it was just my imagination, I need to mature, they're not mocking me, it was my own insecurity".

      2-Everyone doubts, so people play innocent to make you feel like a heel and doubt you accusing them of what they did. Then you feel bad for accusing them. Yet all the while you were right and they're still laughing at you behind your back.

      3-People do this to me in real life

      4-"How can I hurt him emotionally in just the right way that will render any reaction he takes after to be frown upon?" It's internet trolling 101.

      5-Is the RWBY chibi writers the exact same as the canon RWBY show?

      1-While I see your point, you must admit, it still sounds paranoid.

      2-..........But, by that logic, what guarantees you are not doing the same?

      3-See, there's the problem. People do it to you in real life, or at least you believe that, so you think people in general do that to you, including on the internet, despite lack of actual evidence. Even taking into account how on the internet, a sarcastic comment and a serious comment look the same.

      It's typical. A person is distrustful in real life, they are distrusful on the internet, for example. Unless they deliberately want to lie and use a different persona, but that ends up influencing their "true self".

      4-I thought Trolling 101 was "do something that will annoy them or enrage them for lulz". The whole "whatever they do will be frowned upon" part is more than simple trolling.

      5-Yes. Miles Luna mostly. Kerry Shawcross at times, though IIRC he was now mostly the Director. Now, Miles, he's a good writer, though the problem could be he wasn't used to works of RWBY's kind at first.

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    • Speculation is fine... but you need to be able to explain it.   For example:

      "Jaune is going to ride a tiger shooting Laser beams through giant rings of fire and non-stop explosions"  is NOT speculation...

      You cannot answer "Why?", and even if others accept your scenario it has no relevance for them to expand on.

      Speculation needs to be challengable, if you have no reasoning behind it, how exactly do you expect people to respond?

      "Good Job, you figured it out, it must work out that way regardless of anything else?"

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    • WC-83: Who is Live?

      Fandom User: I don't care if it sounds paranoid. I've got first hand experience to back it up.

      Someone: Difference between me and the people I hate are I DON'T stroke my ego by hurting others. I don't play head games with people just to get a laugh. And I don't ruin people's day just because mine is going bad.

      Anon: I get that. But I just wanna be able to say "Hey that was a good episode but it could've been better. Here's what I would do..." Without someone chiming in after thinking to themselves "What makes him think he's so great that he has the right to question this show? He's no pro writer! No one reading his shit! I'm gonna shoot down his ideas so he knows his place."

      Anyway, the early seasons suffered from some basic cliches that since then have been done away with for the most part. Mainly the school ideas were killing it for me. I hate spice of life school stuff. I get that the first season was to introduce the characters. And that animation was shoddy at first. But still it might be a good idea to go back and clean those episodes up with the new program. Ruby had a patch of no hair by her left ear that always bugged me in most episodes from V2 thru most of V3. The food fight in the Best Day Ever was childish to me, I would've cut that. I hated the entirety of Dance Dance Infiltration, even the infiltration. No one was even a little ready for her break-in. All those soldiers and tech and alarms. But only Ruby catches up to her and she couldn't tell it was Cinder. Does Cinder never train around anyone? Did no one see the tapes of the break in and say "Hey that's Cinder's MO! I know that glass semblance anywhere!" That bugged me like Fox and Sage never talking still bugs me. If anyone should be mute, leave it at just Neo.

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    • "But it could've been better. Here's what I would do..." Except you don't do that you say that this is stupid and that is stupid without offering any reasons why. "The food fight was childish I would've cut that" they're freaking teenagers, teenagers have food fights the scene makes sense and on top of that was pretty awesome. "I hated dance dance infiltration, even the infiltration. Did no one see the tapes and say hey that's cinders MO!" It's like you don't even watch the show nobody knows Cinders MO at this point. Ruby literally tells Oz, Glynda, and Ironwood that the intruder used glass. Glynda kind of makes a connection but she never saw Cinder during their encounter before so it's not like she could just go and detain her. Of course no one was ready for her break-in, why would they be? Everyone at the school is attending the dance and it's not like they had a high alert warning and were waiting for the perp. As for training, Cinder uses her swords and it's fair to assume that she doesn't showcase her semblance, she has no reason too, she's undercover. Most people didn't even know Pyrrahs semblance because she keeps it under wraps too.

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    • Guys, come on. dome people like nonstop darkness and some people like levity. Let's just respect each other's opinion and end this feud.

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    • Can somebody please remind me how television works after the CCT is down?  Last time I check television is a form of communication. 

      Also how did Taiyang talk to Ironwood without the CCT?  How does mail even work from Atlas to Patch if all airships are being used for evacuation?  I can't believe people are paid to write this show.

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    • "...though the fail safes have supported wireless communication within the kingdom, the loss of the CCT Tower continues to prevent contact with the outside world. Talks with Atlas officials regarding repairs have so far—" Reporter from most recent ep.

      As for how he spoke to Ironwood, Ironwood could very well be checking in on Vale from time to time, keep relationships with it together after the incident.

      Edit: Also could be internal mail from inside Patch. Not from Vale itself or the other Kingdoms.

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    • Look at your own quote.  "... the loss of CCT Tower continues to prevent conact with the outside world.  Talks with Atlas officials (who we cannont contact as Atlas qualifies as outside world) regarding the repairs have so far..."

      What the actual fuck?  Vale is talking with Atlas officials about repairs who they can't talk to?  Who wrote this script?

      Irownwood's arm was picked up by Taiyang.  It did not come from Patch.  How does mail even work from Atlas to Patch if all the airships are being used for evacuation?

      The writers contradicted themselves multiple times in a relatively short exposition dump.  Are they just insulting my intelligence?

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    • Because those Atlas officials were in Vale to assist in the repairs. They either came over because everybody wants to restore global communication or were already there with the military.

      It wasn't in the mail, from his phrasing Tai got it from Ironwood himself. Ironwood would likely be exempt from the air travel restrictions due to being a high ranked official with a personal ship. 

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      1-Fandom User: I don't care if it sounds paranoid. I've got first hand experience to back it up.

      2-Someone: Difference between me and the people I hate are I stroke my ego by hurting others.

      3-Anon: I get that. But I just wanna be able to say "Hey that was a good episode but it could've been better. Here's what I would do..."....

      1-Think people will pretend to be "just kidding" to make fun of you if you get worked up behind your back, without any evidence.....you are being paranoid, period. For all we know, that first hand experience was the same case.

      Let me ask you something: You post an idea, and someone shoots it down. Do you think they are just disagreeing? Or trying to make fun of you? Here it's always been the former. You act like a child and believe it's the latter, but it isn't.

      2-You...stroke your ego by hurting others? ....So, you hurt others to feel better and superior, unlike the people you hate?

      3-Most of your arguments since you arrived have not been that kind of posts. I can only remember you posting that kind of ideas about 3 or 4 times at most, with 2 being minor ideas.

      Nikoli

      Can somebody please remind me how television works after the CCT is down? Last time I check television is a form of communication.

      Maybe it's using a different, local network? Maybe Taiyang has DirectTV? I don't know, it's a good question.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Because those Atlas officials were in Vale to assist in the repairs. They either came over because everybody wants to restore global communication or were already there with the military.

      It wasn't in the mail, from his phrasing Tai got it from Ironwood himself. Ironwood would likely be exempt from the air travel restrictions due to being a high ranked official with a personal ship. 

      Ironwood's travel restrictions speculation directly contradict what we are told about liesure travel being banned.

      Also I noticed that in the past 6-8 months they still haven't evacuated everybody from Vale even though they evacuated the city at the end of Volume 3.  Maybe its because for those past 6-8 months Glynda has been trying to fix the same doorway and failing.  

      First Vale is evacuated then it isn't.  First the CCT breaks down all communication and now it doesn't.  First private air travel is banned and then we need it to explain how packages, unnamed officials, and Ironwood arrived from Atlas.  

      idk.  Retcons everywhere.  Screw continuity.  

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    • It makes sense to ban travel using Vale air vehicles due to them being used for evacuation. It does not make sense to ban all air travel going to and from Vale which use vehicles owned by the other Kingdoms  if they are being used to assist Vale's situation.

      They reused the scene which is really fucking lazy. Anyway, evacuating an kingdom takes time which I get, looking for survivors, people not wanting to leave, etc.

      Vale established a safe zone and is still evacuating people. CCT breaks down all global communication but not internal communications. Private air travel using vehicles that would otherwise be used for evacuation is banned, but officials who are coming to help repair the CCT or assist with the evacuation process are not.

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    • Nikoli the rebel wrote:
      Also how did Taiyang talk to Ironwood without the CCT?  How does mail even work from Atlas to Patch if all airships are being used for evacuation?  I can't believe people are paid to write this show.

      Ironwood is a military leader; I'm pretty sure that an Atlesian combat VTOL is exempt from Vale's revised air traffic rules. If he isn't either passive stealth or active sensor jamming would make it easy for a military transport to sneak in and out without Vale's council knowing.

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    • Mail doesn't have to be sent by airship, Ironwood could've sent it by boat. While by air is leagues faster than by boat, it's still reliable mode of transport that has not been restricted by the councils. With modern day ships, Ironwood and Tai could have a conversation then send the robot arm all within a month.

      This of course doesn't account for how often ships are being attacked and whethet the show will give some other answer.

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    • It's been established that CCT doesn't work when it comes to different Kingdom communication, but is still functional within their own region. Also the mail could have just been transported by boat instead of plane. Showing the same clip with Glynda was lazy, but it's not that important really. Besides at least Lisa Lavender was animated. The whole "still evacuating" situation doesn't sound right because they evacuated everyone at the end of Volume 3. Maybe the writers needed a plot device so that the RWBY girls couldn't talk to each other. 

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    • i've been digging in the off topic to find thread about somebody who 'dislike RWBY and don't know why'.

      could anyone give me the link? i'm tired scooping soil to get deeper dig

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    • I would like to point out that banning all Air travel besides Evacuation does NOT exempt incoming mail... Where exactly do you think these ships come from? the underworld? They at least come from Atlas, which is getting Refugees which can speak words, deliver messages, and possibly have Local area network files to disseminate once in Atlas.

      Then, once the ship is in Atlas, it has to fly back... but that doesn't mean it has to be completely empty, indeed it shouldn't as food for emergency shelters and perhaps extra fuel should be brought with it too.

      Honestly the real question(as others have noted) is why after 6-8 months are evacuations still proceeding at a pace that requires this restriction... Either the city isn't in as grave peril as to require them now or entire village sized groups of refugee's should have gone overland and by boat long ago

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    • My guess? The Council is trying to stop the evacuation. If you control outgoing traffic, you stop anyone leaving that you don't want to leave.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      1-Think people will pretend to be "just kidding" to make fun of you if you get worked up behind your back, without any evidence.....you are being paranoid, period. For all we know, that first hand experience was the same case.

      Let me ask you something: You post an idea, and someone shoots it down. Do you think they are just disagreeing? Or trying to make fun of you? Here it's always been the former. You act like a child and believe it's the latter, but it isn't.

      2-You...stroke your ego by hurting others? ....So, you hurt others to feel better and superior, unlike the people you hate?

      3-Most of your arguments since you arrived have not been that kind of posts. I can only remember you posting that kind of ideas about 3 or 4 times at most, with 2 being minor ideas.

      1 I'll keep my personal feelings on net life to myself. We're not gonna to see eye to eye on that.

      2 That's a serious typo. I never insult people to stroke my ego. That was what I was trying to write. I just messed up from typing too fast. I'm not a troll nor do I have any intention of becoming one. Look thru my past post. I complain but I try my best not to insult or belittle anyone. 

      As for Nikolai's questions about mail and communication, I think Ironwood popped back in Vale, and Tai left Patch island and came to Vale to make the pick up and then went home. He said he was home, he didn't say how far he went. It seems now that communication is done by nearing a city, making the call, then moving on. People in the airships of Atlas like send out messages when they enter into the air space they want the message to go out at. And the rest of the TV news stuff is local news. It's like the towers pretend WORLD WIDE communication. But each town and city can still send communication between each other in that town. So you go to a town with the person you wanna speak to and send your call. It might not even be Ironwood himself he dropped off the arm. Maybe assistant dropped it off and Ironwood slipped a letter in the box.

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    • It's  possible the safezone can't hold the entire population that moved in during the V3 finale. So now they are trying to relocate people to other secondary cities. And, even still with that, there needs to be housing available, if there is not, they have to build it.

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    • I would like them to do a whole episode about anyone protecting Vale and showing them finally wiping out the Grimm swarm. That way people can move in and rebuild. And that would generate jobs and cut don't on some of the negativity the Grimm feed on.

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    • I don't believe it'd be that simple. The Grimm Dragon is still there and is attracting Grimm on its own, without any negativity needed (although there is plenty of misery to go around as it is). As long as it's there, Vale's never going to be safe, and chances are it's still as tough as it was when it was unfrozen. I would like to see the proffessors and CFVY fighting in the city though, sort of an Osgiliath situation from Lord of the Rings (where Gondor soldiers lead by Faramir were fighting an urban guerilla war against the Orcs in the city).

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    • WC-83: Agreed. Glynda andd Fox team up! LOL 

      I'd like to see the dragon wake up, absorb all Grimm in the area to regain it's strength, big battle, it dies and Vale is safe again. And in all the confustion, the metroid squid gets the artifact, so Salem's like "Who care about Vale now. Let the babbies have their bottle."

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    • That Grimm is impossibly ancient. If Ruby's weapon couldn't hurt the mammoth, imagine how difficult it would be to kill for an experienced huntsman. I imagine it required the Silver Eyed Warriors of the past to lock it up in the mountain in the first place (and not attract Grimm like it is when Ruby froze it). There is no way that dragon is dying soon. The Metroid Grimm is probably going to be looking for the relic on its own (and Salem sent it to gather reinforcements to Vale, so that's going to be happening).

      What else is in that vault? Are they looking for the cane? Or is there something else? The vault can't have  been made just to house cryotubes.

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    • The problem with that is that no matter how hard the huntsmen fight, more grimm keep showing up. Remember, the dragon is a beacon for the grimm to keep coming to, and they can't get rid of the dragon which means more grimm keep coming. They're not gonna figure that out until later, probably not even this volume.

      Evacuations could still be going on because at the end of V3 they were able secure most of the city of Vale but not Beacon becuase of aforementioned dragon attracting grimm. Over the past 6 months grimm could gradually move in faster than huntsmen can fend them off and they have move people over time.

      We also don't know the politics between kingdoms right now and it could be an equivalent of Syria right now,

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    • Then maybe it's time to abandon Vale and Beacon and bomb the place to at least get rid of all the Grimm other than the Dragon. That way no one gets the relic either. No need to throw more hunters in on this losing battle. Vale is a wash unless Oz is alive under some rubble somewhere.

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    • Nobody in power except Ironwood knows that there's a relic under Beacon. How is he gonna convince people to carpet bomb the site if it doesn't guarantee the destruction of the thing bringing them back and not explain everything else they've been trying to keep dark? All of that munitions, logistics, and time wasted for nothing.

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    • Ironwood could probably send some black ops Specialist huntsmen to retrieve the relic (assuming it's not the cane that Qrow has) while diverting resources to evacuating everyone).

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    • I've been wondering for a while the logistics ROE for the standard millitary when fighting grim. There's reason and logic both to carpet bomb Beacon Academy, and reasons not to. Politics likely influence things as well. With people blaming Atlas foe the fall of Beacon it would be a PR nightmate if Atlas bombed beacon to the ground to wipeut the grim.

      Then there are other things to consider as well. How many soldiers and huntsman might be lost if the assualt Beacon with the forces they currently have? Would they consider the casualties too high to justify the push to retake Beacon when they've been able to secure the relative safety of the rest of the kingdom? Would those casualties bring the kingdom defense down low enough that the Kingdom would have difficulty defending against future Grim incursions? Does Remnant have the option to use long range missiles? Do they even have the technology? If they did would it be too costly or ineffcient?

      Sorrry if that's to many questions but ever since the Atlas military was brought I was think about the differences between standard military and Huntsman. Obviously the Hutnsman are Elites, but the extra cost of training Elites soldiers and Special forces means they need to be efficient enough yo justify the extra cost (at least they always had in Earth's history excluding nobles in the military). One of the huge advantages of Huntsman over traditional military is that Huntsman seem to be very selfsufficient. They have their own gear they maintain, sleep in make shift camps, highly mobile (less people often leads to this) so they can get in and out of dangerous grim infected territory. Where standard army's need forward operating bases built that take up resources and will be targeted by the grim, need a supply chain, and are more like to have casualties to take care of during their operations. With those advantahes in mind its no wonder the Huntsman Acadamies are a big part of the four kingdoms. Not to mention it would explain why Mistril, Vale, and Vacuo, only raise armies in times of war when they need as much manpower as they can muster.

      +Defcon Deceiver

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    • There is no reason to carpet bomb Beacon... it would accomplish nothing other than destroying what is left of the facilities in the long run and in the short term would just kill a few weak Grimm. while wasting more dust than Roman stole from Vale.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
       I imagine it required the Silver Eyed Warriors of the past to lock it up in the mountain in the first place (and not attract Grimm like it is when Ruby froze it).

      You know, we only think the Grimm is attracting other Grimm because Taiyang said it, but do we really know that is what is happening? Salem told the Seer Grimm to "reinforce our numbers" and there is some indication that Salem and her associates can control the Grimm. It could be that it was never really attracting the Grimm at all and it was just assumed that was what was happening, when the reality is they are being sent there deliberately to find this relic.

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    • I don't see why Taiyang would be wrong (chances are Qrow told him), but it's probably just a passive effect, and if the Grimm want serious reinforcement they need Metroid Prine to bring some.

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    • What if the artifact is what's drawing in the Grimm, because they all want it. And the dragon was there at the tower to get it too. But it got frozen right at the spot where it was. So people see Grimm gravitate to the Dragon and they think the Dragon is what's calling them.

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    • Wait its just Beacon Academy that's overrun with Grimm right. Because in Vol 3 finale Sun said there was a ship ready to take them to Vale. Which means Vale is alright but Beacon isnt

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    • Beacon is definitely overrun. I think it was implied that Vale was having issues with grimm pushing in, but under control. 

      @KINO: But if the relic is Ozpin's cane, then the grimm should be after Qrow not swarming at Beacon. And I think Salem's fustration hinted that Ozpin mgiht be meddling with her and that it might not be at Beacon anymore.

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    • She probably doesn't know that Qrow has it. Imagine if there was a plot twist and it was actually Ozpin's coffee mug

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    • Yeah the Grimm are running into Vale to get to Beacon. But Vale is keeping the city from being overrun. While Beacon is already overrun since Grimm have been swarming it since Adam dropped some in and the Griffon and Nevermores came 6 months ago.

      I don't think the artifact is Ozpin's care. It seem the most important stuff in Beacon is in the Vault not out in the open. If it was Oz's cane, Cinder wouldn't snapped it from him after winning the fight.

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    • Just re-watched the episode and it said the Vale Council is banning air travel except evacuation. So the other kingdoms are still using air power. Still doesn't explain why there are still evacs going on. Could just be a plot device.

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    • Or Vale just isn't safe at the moment and they need all the transports they can get to help in the evacuation.

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    • Vale is beside Beacon, people wanna get away from the Grimm. They must be evac-ing because the Grimm are so close and they fear Vale will one day be overrun too.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I don't see why Taiyang would be wrong (chances are Qrow told him), but it's probably just a passive effect, and if the Grimm want serious reinforcement they need Metroid Prine to bring some.

      He could have just assumed that is what is happening. We don't even know if Qrow could really know what is drawing them or maybe he lied to Taiyang because perhaps Taiyang isn't in on all the secrets.

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    • I wonder, if Watts is a teacher at Haven (or even the headmaster), I wonder if he will end up talking with Ruby, sort of pretending to be a substitute for Ozpin in terms of wisdom and teaching her. Like he'll tell her life lessons that sound hopeful, but he had long ago twisted to use as justification for throwing his lot with Salem. 

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I wonder, if Watts is a teacher at Haven (or even the headmaster), I wonder if he will end up talking with Ruby, sort of pretending to be a substitute for Ozpin in terms of wisdom and teaching her. Like he'll tell her life lessons that sound hopeful, but he had long ago twisted to use as justification for throwing his lot with Salem. 

      I feel Hazel makes more sense as a Mistral instructor... unless Watts is outright banished from Atlas.

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    • But Watts is an actual doctor, and Hazel is going to Menagarie. We don't even know a thing about Hazel.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      But Watts is an actual doctor, and Hazel is going to Menagarie. We don't even know a thing about Hazel.

      Eh? Hazel was going to meet Sienna, leader of the White Fang. Current info says that the White Fang has more strength in Mistral. Logically, that's where Sienna is.

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    • Maybe Watts has charge of the destruction of mistral/haven and hazel is merely aiding the WF who are in turn aiding Watts

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      But Watts is an actual doctor, and Hazel is going to Menagarie. We don't even know a thing about Hazel.

      Doctor does not equal Huntsman teacher... Oobleck has been rather Obstinate in stating that point... And Hazel seems more inclined to know the kinds of things Port does.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I wonder, if Watts is a teacher at Haven (or even the headmaster), I wonder if he will end up talking with Ruby, sort of pretending to be a substitute for Ozpin in terms of wisdom and teaching her. Like he'll tell her life lessons that sound hopeful, but he had long ago twisted to use as justification for throwing his lot with Salem. 

      Whoa. Just got a Korra second season flashback when her Uncle played her the whole season. Tricking her into assisting him in summoning and controlling dark spirits. 'Member? 

      If Watts plays that card with Ruby, as innocent as she is, he might talk her into flat out coming with him to see Salem. Maybe even into hearing Salem out, her side of the story. Maybe making Ruby think Salem needs her help. All the while, as soon as they reach Salem he locks her into Salem's summer home time share and boom, gotta rescue Ruby. Cue Season finale!

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    • The difference between Unaloq (the aformentioned uncle) and Watts would be Watts wouldn't doing anything wrong in the beginning (whereas Unaloq was interested in taking Korra from Tenzin and the White Lotus). Watts meanwhile, I would hope, is channelling Ozpin in trying to be a wize mentor to Ruby since he is gone now (I imagine he'll only be found out when Qrow finds him and outs him as one of Salem's party, though given he didn't recognize Cinder he might go unnoticed). If he does offer Ruby to see his master, she might go with it until she sees Salem's Palace and Salem herself.

      As for Watt's doctorate, point taken, but it's one more credential we know of than Hazel.

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    • I like the idea. I would make it so everyone is fooled. And he plays them against each other. Getting RJNR to turn on each other and storm off. And when they do, Ruby turns only to Watts who decides "maybe it's time you took a break, come with me on my trip, it'll be refreshing and enlightening". And bang, takes her to Salem. Pretty sneaky, Watts.

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    • Not really, just more that he fosters a kinship with Ruby, and ends up bringing her to Salem to be imprisoned. I imagine JNR will be a "remove the spare" scenario and they'll be killed quicker (or they'll convieniently not be able to join Ruby on her journey and be spared from Watt's trap.

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    • You lost me. We were of one mind for a second there. But it's passed. To me, he's doing the "dance puppet dance" thing with them and manipulating their emotional and moving them around like chess pieces would be a nice call back to Cinder's machinations in Season 2 and 3. But done Watts style.

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    • It still is though. He is manipulating her, with her thinking he's someone she can trust in Haven but it ends up being revealed to her that he's serving the essence of Grimm.

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    • I do think Watts can be the anti-Ozpin. Especially if he's a headmaster or teacher at Atlas.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      Robotic arm confirmed.

      So, does anyone wanna pick up that phone? 'Cause I just fucking called it. LOL

      EDIT: And when Sun says "why not do that with your team" when Blake says she wanted to sort things out, again, I felt like it's a no-brainer. It's the better idea.

      To much of this fight seems like the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children though.

      It is like the battle against Bahamut SIN. Which the fact it was for sure...

      Yang sure got herself a Prosthetic limb, remainded of Vemon Snake when he had losed his arm.

      Subject:

      • Cinder and Salem are having vocal lessons to help with Cinder's speech impediment, with Salem drawing something out of Cinder. Salem then summo- what the hell is that!? Uhh, I mean, summons a Metroid (seriously, what the actual fuck is that thing?) to sit by and watch. Cinder confirms, yes, Ozpin is dead, and Salem tells the Metroid to double their efforts.
      • Salem is after a relic under Beacon tower, but is still wondering what the next move is...from Ozpin?

      Theory and Answer:

      If possible if Ozpin was declared dead? What IF that Raven had save him from a sudden death, which i had previous thread about this? Let's best to find out more for the newest episodes since they had time to do so.

      And what was Salem is so important about this 'relic' she was referring to? Then she did wondering who the 'person' that she knew who he or she was...

      Well...the answers will had to wait...

      But, before that? I wanted REALLY completely curious, and even the slightest completely wanted to KNOW about why Cinder obsessed the Power of the Fall Maiden? I really, REALLY wanted to know the full story about when she met Salem and even how things turn in events? Most authors who had a theory about the connection of the Old Wizard, Ozpin, the Maidens, and everything that had been?

      Now…before Ozpin’s disappearance? Maybe Raven had somehow save him at the Vault, just like she save her daughter, Yang, during the train in Mountain Glean until Neo had to finished her off. It would be sure if I’m right about Ozpin saved by Raven, if its possible…or if I am wrong about that guessed.  

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    • I just rewatched the episode and I gotta say, mechanical limbs are really advanced. When the new arm came, Tai just told Yang to try it on. I honestly thought that there would be some sort of medical procedure, but nope. Just put it on, and you have a new arm.

      Also, it kind of bothered me that Cinder and Salem were still in the same room as in episode 1. Like, isn't there a place more appropiate to treat Cinder than the conference room, like a healing chamber or something.

      And also (and this is something really minor) I didn't like seeing Cinder in Hazel's chair, because I thought that they all had a designated seat. On the other hand, this might have been a subtle way to show us that they were deliberately sitting as far away from each other as possible.

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    • I wanna see Salem's summer home from the outside to see if it looks like an RPG final dungeon.

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      I wanna see Salem's summer home from the outside to see if it looks like an RPG final dungeon.

      I wonder if the fortress itself is alive...

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      I wonder, if Watts is a teacher at Haven (or even the headmaster), I wonder if he will end up talking with Ruby, sort of pretending to be a substitute for Ozpin in terms of wisdom and teaching her. Like he'll tell her life lessons that sound hopeful, but he had long ago twisted to use as justification for throwing his lot with Salem. 

      Watts seems like he could be from Atlas, to me, and it would sort of be more fitting as well as allowing for a way to get Weiss sucked into the affairs of Mistral.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:
      I wonder, if Watts is a teacher at Haven (or even the headmaster), I wonder if he will end up talking with Ruby, sort of pretending to be a substitute for Ozpin in terms of wisdom and teaching her. Like he'll tell her life lessons that sound hopeful, but he had long ago twisted to use as justification for throwing his lot with Salem. 
      Watts seems like he could be from Atlas, to me, and it would sort of be more fitting as well as allowing for a way to get Weiss sucked into the affairs of Mistral.

      Except he's going to Haven, so I don't see how Weiss or Watts would get involved (since neither can communicate with the outside world).

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      KNN005 wrote:
      I wanna see Salem's summer home from the outside to see if it looks like an RPG final dungeon.

      I wonder if the fortress itself is alive...

      I like that idea. An ancient Grimm disguised as a fort so humans will get trappes in it.

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    • WC-83 wrote:
      KNN005 wrote:
      I wanna see Salem's summer home from the outside to see if it looks like an RPG final dungeon.
      I wonder if the fortress itself is alive...

      There's quite some Gravity Dust in the fortress, around and in it.

      If the Fortress itself is a Grimm of some sort, somehow (doesn't look much like one to me), that means Salem out-Merloted Merlot by ages.

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    • If its full of gravity dust maybe its a hovering fort?

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    • KNN005 wrote:
      If its full of gravity dust maybe its a hovering fort?

      I don't think we saw it hovering in Ep1...

      Besides, Gravity Dust=Kinetic Force (Push).

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      WC-83 wrote:
      KNN005 wrote:
      I wanna see Salem's summer home from the outside to see if it looks like an RPG final dungeon.
      I wonder if the fortress itself is alive...
      There's quite some Gravity Dust in the fortress, around and in it.

      If the Fortress itself is a Grimm of some sort, somehow (doesn't look much like one to me), that means Salem out-Merloted Merlot by ages.

      Considering all evidence points to her being the Uber-Grimm, that's something she believably can do. 

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    • WC-83 wrote:

      Considering all evidence points to her being the Uber-Grimm, that's something she believably can do. 

      EDIT: Shit, mistook which comment you were responding to.

      EDIT2: Oh, wait...

      It does explain how Ao Kuang could shoot lightning....though it doesn't mean she can make a living fortress. Or at least, doesn't mean her domain is one. She's been implied to be the Queen, the Big Boss...but not much else.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      KNN005 wrote:
      If its full of gravity dust maybe its a hovering fort?

      I don't think we saw it hovering in Ep1...

      Besides, Gravity Dust=Kinetic Force (Push).

      If its a push then cant it push away from the ground?

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    • KNN005 wrote:

      If its a push then cant it push away from the ground?

      ....Sure, and then it comes falling down, breaking apart.

      Ever tried throwing an object up?

      Besides, it may not be enough to even lift it for a moment. The Dust may not even do anything unless activated. And even if it is, it would not necesarily lift the domain depending on where it's located (such as right in the meeting hall at the top of the lair).

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    • I just had this thought rewatching the episode. Did Blake's negativity attract the sea dragon Grimm?

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      I just had this thought rewatching the episode. Did Blake's negativity attract the sea dragon Grimm?

      A commenter on the on RT believed the Sea Dragon ate Blake's bow specifically because of the bad memories it had (being a symbol of her self-loathing as a Faunus). Most likely not true, but it's good symbolism. The dragon probably would have attacked anyway, the humans were right there.

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