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  • Hey all! This is the official Volume 4 Trailer (or Character Short) Discussion Thread. Feel free to discuss all things trailer-related here.

    Vol4 Trailer Promo Email

    Watch on the Rooster Teeth website

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    • I can't wait three more hours man.

      Too much hype.

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    • If it is on entertainment weekly it is fair game.

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    • The Trumpet player of wrote:
      If it is on entertainment weekly it is fair game.

      I can't find it personally on there.

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    • In 40 minutes it appears unless I got it wrong. since it is 10:20 in austin

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    • (Checks)

      Hmm, so it is.

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    • Stuffn wrote:
      1pm cst according to their twitter

      For their website release. There are rumors of something appearing earlier (11am cst) on Entertainment Weekly.

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    • RWBY Hype

      All aboard the hype train

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Stuffn wrote:
      1pm cst according to their twitter
      For their website release. There are rumors of something appearing earlier (11am cst) on Entertainment Weekly.

      I hope not. Kinda ruins the fun not watching it on the RT website

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    • (Shrugs)

      I'm still gonna watch it in both places, if it does appear on EW earlyy.

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    • The volume 3 teaser appeared on nerdist so ew seems plausible.

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    • That was pretty good. The animation is completely different

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    • Well that was a thing. Can't wait until I'm able to view it on my PS4 once it's uploaded to RT.com

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    • featuring a new look for both Jones’ character


      Huehuehuehuehue. (Whoops editing in, since I didn't add it, I was gonna say at first I thought they did a mispell on Jaune until it was mentioned Lindsay)

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    • Let's see now...

      Ruby a lot more proficient with her semblance now. She can also split herself into three apparently.

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    • Their player is awful.

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    • @new trailer

      yes.

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    • The Trumpet player of wrote:
      Their player is awful.

      Agreed.

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    • Worked just fine for me

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    • New looks for JNR. Erm..

      Like seriously, Ruby is a hell of lot stronger with her semblance.

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    • Anyone wanna help me edit ?

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    • The Trumpet player of wrote:
      Anyone wanna help me edit ?

      Sure...

      How?

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      The Trumpet player of wrote:
      Anyone wanna help me edit ?
      Sure...

      How?

      Images, a Transcript if one is needed and notice if I am doing an awful job.

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    • Wait a minute, can you actually not see the video? Anyway, sure. A transcript is gonna be needed but there is only dialogue at the end. A few sentences.

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    • A goddamned Gorilla......... I remember having an idea of a badass Grimm like that, though the skull mask is WAY cooler than I imagined. It was also bigger than this one.

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    • Anyone else wonder, Wtf is going on with the Grimms' eyes

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    • Seems identical to the RTX leak apart from a few bystanders/collateral damage in one shot. Do you guys think that this is it or have they decided to give it to EW as a teaser for a longer piece with more of the rest of RWBY in it?

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    • (Shrugs)

      There are a few more subtle differences and additions that I noticed though.

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    • Ranged scroll communication still works within a certain distance between scrolls.

      Or as it said on the scroll: "LOCAL AREA ONLY"

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    • GreyStark wrote:
      Anyone else wonder, Wtf is going on with the Grimms' eyes

      As the darkness grows deeper, the Grimm are becoming steadily more and more overtly demonic in their appearance - the glowing eyes, the fire that lies beneath their hides and the fact that they can now barely hold together their corporal shapes, thus the clouds of smoke around them. These are not natural life-forms; they may not even be life in a strict definition of the word but, rather, some kind of Dust byproduct, energised and animated by negative emotions.

      The eyes just emphasise that they have more in common with a fire demon than any form of life.

      P.S.:

      Anyone hear what was being said when the Beringel was roaring and posturing after dropping Ruby through the roof? It sounded a little like Salem which, if I'm right, could change everything we think that we know about her.

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    • anyone wanna re write my first half to make it look better ?

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    • I'll take a crack at it. Don't know how to make a transcript on the page and I can't collect images, so I may as well do something.

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    • Something was being said while the Beringel was roaring? 

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    • BenRG wrote:
      GreyStark wrote:
      Anyone else wonder, Wtf is going on with the Grimms' eyes
      As the darkness grows deeper, the Grimm are becoming steadily more and more overtly demonic in their appearance - the glowing eyes, the fire that lies beneath their hides and the fact that they can now barely hold together their corporal shapes, thus the clouds of smoke around them. These are not natural life-forms; they may not even be life in a strict definition of the word but, rather, some kind of Dust byproduct, energised and animated by negative emotions.

      The eyes just emphasise that they have more in common with a fire demon than any form of life.

      P.S.:

      Anyone hear what was being said when the Beringel was roaring and posturing after dropping Ruby through the roof? It sounded a little like Salem which, if I'm right, could change everything we think that we know about her.


      or, you know, the show is undergoing an art style shift which better conveys how demonic they are intended to look in-universe; which was not possible in earlier volumes because of the software being used to animate.

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    • This is going to be good, and now we have a definitive time period. 7 months.

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    • AC where did you hear that.

      Also link.

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    • Finally got back to watch it. Pretty jazzed, though I'll admit I was a little disappointed there was no material that wasn't already shown at RTX. Here's to Volume 4, everyone!

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      AC where did you hear that.

      Also link.

      The subtext from the video page on the website.

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    • And now it begins...

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    • Several = multiple.

      Not seven specifically.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Several = multiple.

      Not seven specifically.

      What kind of logic is that?

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      Several = multiple.

      Not seven specifically.

      What kind of logic is that?

      Don't blame me. Blame the English language.

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    • Unfortunately I can't.

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    • Anyway yeah. No exact timeskip length provided. 

      But at least the trailer is out.

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    • I noticed one of Crescent Rose's magazines had a couple of scratches and we could see the rifling inside the barrel.

      I'm pretty sure that the building whose roof got demolished was a church, adding more religon in the background. I wonder if it will ever be relevant?

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:

      or, you know, the show is undergoing an art style shift which better conveys how demonic they are intended to look in-universe; which was not possible in earlier volumes because of the software being used to animate.

      Nah, I prefer to think that there's an in-universe explanation for them not just recreating the Poser models as close as possible in Maya.

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    • You are reading way too far into the art shift, dude. If there's an in-universe reason it's that they already looked that way and the lens through which we see them was was fogged up.

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    • You know, your lack of desire to see beyond the mundane really puzzles me. I can't see how you could possibly get any joy out of the viewing experience with such a mindset.

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    • So does this mean we are getting more character shorts? I don't remeber it being confirmed or not, but it would be pretty cool if we got a few more shorts on the other characters.

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    • I have one minor complaint about the models, the models could use some fingernails.

      P.S who is going to do the pictures?

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      The Trumpet player of wrote:
      Their player is awful.
      Agreed.

      Everytime you find an awful player: It's Cellphone time.

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    • HighCastle67 wrote:
      So does this mean we are getting more character shorts? I don't remeber it being confirmed or not, but it would be pretty cool if we got a few more shorts on the other characters.

      Barbara confirmed via twitter that there won't be more.

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    • BenRG wrote:
      You know, your lack of desire to see beyond the mundane really puzzles me. I can't see how you could possibly get any joy out of the viewing experience with such a mindset.


      I don't mind seeing beyond the mundane, I simply apply logic before exploring more obscure options. After all, the simplest answer -the explanation which requires the least assumptions- is usually the correct one.

      Grimm already tended to glow when enraged, they emit smoke when wounded or destroyed, and the show is now being produced in a more powerful animation software.

      The traits you are applying significance to were already present to a degree, Poser was simply not a powerful enough program to display them in their full magnitude. Maya, however, is.

      Simple as that.


      I enjoy theorizing, extrapolation, and so on as much as anyone; however i attempt to do it scientifically, using existing evidence and finding direct links between them to draw purely logical conclusions.

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    • DiegoAnime3000 wrote:

      Barbara confirmed via twitter that there won't be more.

      Sonnuva bitch! Why didn't they just call it Vol. 4 trailer instead of an awkward and misleading title such as 'character short'? Just because you use original footage doesn't make it any less of a trailer. It's a preview for what's in store.

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    • it's not misleading though. It's called "character short" not "character short one" or anything like that. the title is pretty clearly singular.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:

      I enjoy theorizing, extrapolation, and so on as much as anyone; however i attempt to do it scientifically, using existing evidence and finding direct links between them to draw purely logical conclusions.

      You want to apply scientific methods to a piece of entertainment rather than trying to enjoy it and further expand the wonder in your own mind. Okay, whatever floats your boat.

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    • You've clearly never heard of scientific creativity.

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    • This is turning into a strawman fight. The point is that I'm talking in-universe and the only counter-argument you have is "they've changed graphics programs". Sorry; that's weak.

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    • And you have no real support for your idea either Ben, it is merely a guess due to our lack of knowledge surrounding the Grimm.

      Back to topic:
      Ruby divided by three

      How?

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    • I'll tell you how, MiniDaggers, and this answer will please Phantomlink959:

      RULE. OF. COOL.

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    • But Shane's been fired and Monty is no longer with us.

      We all know Miles and Kerry don't uphold the rule of cool!

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    • Agreed. I think this might have something to do with the clue Monty gave us a long time ago. Don't quote me on this because it's very old and it never caused that much impression but I think Monty told us there was a clue on the rose petals.

      Either way, Ruby's Semblance might not be speed at all and we were wrong by assuming Pyrrha was right.

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    • How... again?

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    • The only limit on Semblance that I've seen is that it must be a distinct 'concept'; a single clearly-defined power, no matter how many applications an adept could make of it.


      For a while now, I've wondered if Ruby's Semblance is actually the control of kinetic energy. She can generate kinetic pulses that launch her in any direction that her will commands (this explains why she visibly is sometimes lifted off her feet when she uses her Semblance.

      What about the rose petals trick? That's a tough one without invoking Ruby being able to utilise something analogous to The Flash's Speed Force. I'm wondering if it's just a really extreme bullet time, with Ruby moving so fast that she is able to dance around any attack or any object, literally appearing to be in multiple places at once.

      In any case, my call is that the 'rose petals' are an ionisation effect - air molecules fluorescing red due to the extreme amount of energy Ruby is dumping into her environment. Just purely by coincidence, this effect is indistinguishable from the 'dark Aura' energy that Grimm 'bleed' when they're injured.

      Similarly, the only relationship between Ruby's Semblance and the similar effect created by Adam's energy redirection Semblance is that it is ionised molecules fluorescing due to the sheer amount of energy that his most powerful attacks release.

      Purely FWIW, if I'm right, I can't help but wonder if Ruby could remotely affect another object's kinetic energy, creating an effect like a crude telekinesis. Maybe she'd need to thread Propulsion Dust into her clothing to project it, much like how Cinder uses Burn Dust Thread to project fire.

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    • My theory is that all semblances are like the Schnee's in that they can have multiple abilities that are at least loosely connected to each other, or in the case of non-hereditary semblances, the user.

      The only reasons the Schnee's are so skilled is because they have the capability of passing knowledge down about their semblance. But with sufficient training, others can unlock far more powerful and different abilities for their semblance.

      For Ruby, one explanation is that she can turn into rose petals. This allows her to literally split herself into three and also reach far greater speeds due to the form she takes.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote: The only reasons the Schnee's are so skilled is because they have the capability of passing knowledge down about their semblance. But with sufficient training, others can unlock far more powerful and different abilities for their semblance.

      That's exactly what I thought too.

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    • Semblances can develop like a conduits power's (inFamous)

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    • Here's a thought about Ruby's Semblance and how she suddenly got so much stronger - If we accept the precedent set by the Schnees that some families can inherit similar or identical Semblances, could it be that Summer had a similar or identical Semblance to Ruby? Maybe Qrow gave her a copy of her mother's audio journals whilst she was convalescing and she's been applying the lessons that her mother learned a couple of decades earlier to her own abilities.

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    • It's possible.

      Would match the imagery I recall from the Volume 1 opening.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:

      For Ruby, one explanation is that she can turn into rose petals. This allows her to literally split herself into three and also reach far greater speeds due to the form she takes.

      There is one reason why this doesn't work - We've seen Ruby moving fast without turning into rose petals; she only leaves a trail of them behind her.

      I, for one, don't like the idea of there being a primary and secondary Semblance and this is why the Schnee hereditary Semblance annoyed me somewhat. I'm wondering if the summoning isn't a Semblance at all but an external power from the force that Ozpin described as 'magic'.

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    • That is why I included that opening paragraph and the Schnee comparison. It is a higher level ability that she has achieved related to her semblance.

      Glyphs still have a wide degree of variation even without summoning or even Dust.

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    • Magi-I mean Semblance. Or artistic effect (like with the Grimm) I guess.

      Also the water effect during Blake's bit looked weird.

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    • At around 3:45 after a bunch of petals flow down and some out of the entrance to the building. There is a petal flow that rises and we see the start of, yet no Ruby.

      Weird, isn't it?

      Strange petals.
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    • When you think about it, Ruby would not be close to the first to show physical changes as a result of using her Semblance. Most of the other Semblances we have seen involved the ability to create physical changes in the specific person, all the way to shapeshifting with Qrow, or separate physical entities. Hers was kind of bland by comparison. Perhaps her real ability is akin to teleportation where she partially or completely dematerializes in order to travel faster and she was just showing a very mild form of it in the beginning that meant she retained her normal form. Just going from memory it seems she was traveling faster here then in the previous Volumes and I don't believe she could zig zag in the air.

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    • I'm not skimming over 70 posts to see if anyone has mentioned this.

      I noticed this months ago, specifically took screenshots of volume 3 for it (remember when I did that edit summary where I said I took these screenshots for a special reason?), and posted about it on Tumblr.

      The circle design on the tower's window has appeared before, in the Beacon Vault.

      So, I'm really curious if there's actual significance behind it or if it's just a neat design.

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    • You're the first Chis.

      They're pretty good about adding and recycling details. Remember the Charon Industries mug From RvB?

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    • Hmm...

      No idea. 

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      I'm not skimming over 70 posts to see if anyone has mentioned this.

      I noticed this months ago, specifically took screenshots of volume 3 for it (remember when I did that edit summary where I said I took these screenshots for a special reason?), and posted about it on Tumblr.

      The circle design on the tower's window has appeared before, in the Beacon Vault.

      So, I'm really curious if there's actual significance behind it or if it's just a neat design.

      Hmm, I am wondering if that symbol has something to do with Ozpin; if he predates the CNR then it's possible he personlly designed Beacon, secret vault and all.  Maybe he had a hand in designing that church, possibly the religion it's based on.  It geos back to the second verse of "Sacrifice"

      "Show them gods and deities

      Blind the people, keep them on their... knees"

      Of course the song is definitely critical of Ozpin, though I wonder if there's a sliver of truth to it.  And it'll be Ruby's eyes that reveal the truth about Ozpin, eventually.

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    • Three circles, forming a triangle, all within another circle.

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    • The building with the symbol also had the two female statues (one of which Ruby crushed) outside of it as well, which may lend credence to the idea it's some kind of temple or church if they're supposed to represent deities or saints or something. 

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    • I like it, but I also feel kind of strange about the animation shift.

      I like the animation itself, but the jump with the previous volume feels kind of abrupt.

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    • So we need to keep an eye out for these symbols and church-like structures. Got it.

      Hang on

      Edit: Never mind it was nothing.

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    • It's not exactly easy to completely change animation process without an abrupt shift when it comes to 3D modeling. 2D art is simple, just slight changes over time; don't have that option with CGI.

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    • The art shift with regards to faces is what gets me. It's slightly different yet enough to make it noticable. 

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    • Have you guys noticed that when Ruby answered her Scroll, it said it was a local call only. That might mean Vale still can't contact the outside and that the remaining towers only work within a localized area.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Ranged scroll communication still works within a certain distance between scrolls.

      Or as it said on the scroll: "LOCAL AREA ONLY"

      Hello again.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Have you guys noticed that when Ruby answered her Scroll, it said it was a local call only. That might mean Vale still can't contact the outside and that the remaining towers only work within a localized area.

      I did notice, I just thought someone else mentioned it.

      It is important though.

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    • Yeahhh, it looks like the CCT network still isn't back up yet, so any theories about Weiss trying to contact Yang or Ruby are out, unless either of them goes to Atlas for whatever reason.

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    • They could send a raven. Or a crow.

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    • Gastropod wrote:
      They could send a raven. Or a crow.

      You joke but I suddenly wonder about the range of the Schnee Summons... As in, how far away from their creator can they exist? Could they have been used as messengers in past wars?

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    • MetallicArcher wrote:
      Gastropod wrote:
      They could send a raven. Or a crow.
      You joke but I suddenly wonder about the range of the Schnee Summons... As in, how far away from their creator can they exist? Could they have been used as messengers in past wars?

      I wonder if the giant Nevermore from volume 1 counts enough as an enemy that made Weiss move past who she once was for her to be able to summon it.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Yeahhh, it looks like the CCT network still isn't back up yet, so any theories about Weiss trying to contact Yang or Ruby are out, unless either of them goes to Atlas for whatever reason.

      That idea feels less likely now that we got a summary: 

      It's been several months since the Fall of Beacon, and the world of Remnant is still recovering. Tensions are high, lives have been lost, and the members of Team RWBY... are divided. Each of our heroines now faces a journey of their own.

      I also wanted to point out something about the ending pictures of the preview. I once made a blog where I tried to point out the locations of each kingdom based on time zones and the clocks at the CCT. Now I bring back that reasoning to point out the following:

      Ruby and Weiss: Night

      Blake: Evening (sun is setting to the left)

      Yang: Daylight

      Given the huge difference, it's pretty clear that the girls are miles away from each other. Maybe each one of them is in a different kingdom. But there's a contradiction here: Weiss and Yang have opposite timelights while Ruby has the same as Weiss but given the locations of Vale, Atlas and Mistral, this is entirely wrong. Weiss and Yang should have the same time zones and be opposite to Ruby's. 

      This really bugs me. It might even mean that Yang is not in Vale at all but Ruby is. This doesn't convince me though. The other idea is that the transitions aren't happening at the same time and I'm just looking too much into it.

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    • Considering that Taiyang's cabin is near Yang in that shot and Patch is just off the coast of Vale, yeah, I think you're looking too much into it and the transitions aren't all happening at the same time. They probably wanted it to be night in Weiss' shot just because it would look more dramatic.

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    • Did anyone notice that Ruby was having fun when fighting the Grimm, she smiled (or grin ... i don't know facial expressions :( ) when loading her sniper rifle and again when she told JNR to hurry and get there. Does that mean she's not depressed anymore like people speculated? Or is she still depressed but only has fun when fighting Grimm?

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    • It's not that simple. Ruby was clearly agitated, surprised, confident or perhaps even happy depending on how the fight was going and at different points.

      We haven't seen much of her outside a fight to determine what kind of state she is in.

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    • Cool symbol. Definitely means something and isn't just a throwaway. Glynda did mention religion, so maybe it is a religious symbol and the church... statue female guardians... we've heard that before. 

      But, the symbol predates the Maidens.

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    • HazelQuill7445 wrote:

      But, the symbol predates the Maidens.

      What makes you say that?

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      HazelQuill7445 wrote:
      But, the symbol predates the Maidens.
      What makes you say that?

      The line right before it. The church had statues of female guardians. Ozpin's group (and Salem, supposedly) referred to the Maidens as guardians.

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    • Not conclusive.

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    • 58.110.78.36 wrote:
      Did anyone notice that Ruby was having fun when fighting the Grimm, she smiled (or grin ... i don't know facial expressions :( ) when loading her sniper rifle and again when she told JNR to hurry and get there. Does that mean she's not depressed anymore like people speculated? Or is she still depressed but only has fun when fighting Grimm?

      I think she was never that depressed and either way she can't afford to feel depressed. That's a negative emotion that attracts Grimm. Same reason why Jaune wouldn't openly mourn any longer. Either they deal with it or become a major magnet for Grimm.

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    • DiegoAnime3000 wrote:
      I think she was never that depressed and either way she can't afford to feel depressed. That's a negative emotion that attracts Grimm. Same reason why Jaune wouldn't openly mourn any longer. Either they deal with it or become a major magnet for Grimm.

      That depends on the type of Grimm they may encounter; a young Beowolf or Creep may attack immediately upon sensing a human, but older ones (like those Goliaths in the "Mountain Glenn" episode) know that if they attack a human, more humans will come to attack them.  As Oobleck pointed out in that episode, not all Grimm are mindless.  I doubt they'd be stupid enough to keep attacking if dozens of even hundreds of their kin get wiped out, and if they do then they deserve their inevitable fate.

      So while reining in their emotions can be beneficial, if done for too long it could lead to them being apathetic, which they can't afford either.  But we'll see.

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    • Okay, so, once again, way too many posts for me to skim to see if anyone mentioned it, but...

      I hadn't watched the trailer fullscreen yet, and I just noticed that the patch on Yang's jacket sleeve is Taiyang's symbol, not hers. Look for yourself.

      Edit: I see a tiny bit of yellow on her pants leg (the one on our left), so either that's where her symbol is or they kept the bumblebee patch.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Okay, so, once again, way too many posts for me to skim to see if anyone mentioned it, but...

      I hadn't watched the trailer fullscreen yet, and I just noticed that the patch on Yang's jacket sleeve is Taiyang's symbol, not hers. Look for yourself.

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      Ooh, good eye!  That must be one of his old jackets he lent to his daughter, that was very thoughtful of him.  Thanks for noticing, Chishio! :D

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      Edit: I see a tiny bit of yellow on her pants leg (the one on our left), so either that's where her symbol is or they kept the bumblebee patch.


      This thread moves too fast. =T

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    • You mean her right pant leg?  Well yes, that's where she wore her Bumblebee patch, which can't be seen in that shot, though I'm sure we will when the Volume starts in earnest.  Oh, and I credited you on the last edit for Yang's timeskip outfit, thanks again! :D

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Not conclusive.

      What isn't? I wasn't calling the statues Maidens, if that's what you mean. I called them female guardians, because they are of women in guard position on either side of the entrance. Like lions or gargoyles in our culture.

      Then I made a connection from the line "female guardian" to Maiden and debunked it as the symbol existed prior to the Maidens being conceptualized.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      You mean her right pant leg?  Well yes, that's where she wore her Bumblebee patch, which can't be seen in that shot, though I'm sure we will when the Volume starts in earnest.  Oh, and I credited you on the last edit for Yang's timeskip outfit, thanks again! :D

      You're welcome. ^^ And her concept art said that they could replace the bumblebee patch with a different patch if they want to in the final design.

      HazelQuill7445 wrote:
      the symbol existed prior to the Maidens being conceptualized.

      I somehow recall them saying that they had to hurry to design and build the vault because of the Maidens thing being included in the show, so I don't think that the vault or the symbol was designed before the Maidens were conceptualized.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      DiegoAnime3000 wrote:
      I think she was never that depressed and either way she can't afford to feel depressed. That's a negative emotion that attracts Grimm. Same reason why Jaune wouldn't openly mourn any longer. Either they deal with it or become a major magnet for Grimm.
      That depends on the type of Grimm they may encounter; a young Beowolf or Creep may attack immediately upon sensing a human, but older ones (like those Goliaths in the "Mountain Glenn" episode) know that if they attack a human, more humans will come to attack them.  As Oobleck pointed out in that episode, not all Grimm are mindless.  I doubt they'd be stupid enough to keep attacking if dozens of even hundreds of their kin get wiped out, and if they do then they deserve their inevitable fate.

      It also depends on the location. Oobleck's explanation certainly works for the Grimm just outside of Vale's walls but what about the Grimm who are far away from civilization? Grimm who aren't used to seeing human reinforcements or villages putting much of a fight? If these Grimm find four people around a bonfire, they won't assume that they can't take them nor that killing them will result in an army showing up. It's just a bunch of humans in the middle of nowhere. Now, these humans are not easy to kill but the Grimm wouldn't know that until they tried.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      You're welcome. ^^ And her concept art said that they could replace the bumblebee patch with a different patch if they want to in the final design.

      I honestly hope they keep it, Yang needs reminders of how life used to be, lest she succumb to despair and forget the good times she had, and dream of reliving those times one day.  Though it seems the only thing she may be dreaming about now is vengeance, if that promo art is anything to go by.  But hey, it might not be as bad as I think, we'll see. 

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      You're welcome. ^^ And her concept art said that they could replace the bumblebee patch with a different patch if they want to in the final design.
      I honestly hope they keep it, Yang needs reminders of how life used to be, lest she succumb to despair and forget the good times she had, and dream of reliving those times one day.  Though it seems the only thing she may be dreaming about now is vengeance, if that promo art is anything to go by.  But hey, it might not be as bad as I think, we'll see. 

      I hope they don't. My concern is that, if they keep the bumblebee patch and Black Sun happens, there'll be a ton of people going "HOW DARE YOU QUEERBAIT US?!!! You were CLEARLY hinting to Bumblebee happening with that patch on her pants and then you went with a straight relationship instead, therefore you queerbaited, you horrible people!!"

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      I somehow recall them saying that they had to hurry to design and build the vault because of the Maidens thing being included in the show, so I don't think that the vault or the symbol was designed before the Maidens were conceptualized.

      Oh, OK. I misread that you took shots of it in Vol 1 and the vault. Doh.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:
      ChishioKunrin wrote:
      You're welcome. ^^ And her concept art said that they could replace the bumblebee patch with a different patch if they want to in the final design.
      I honestly hope they keep it, Yang needs reminders of how life used to be, lest she succumb to despair and forget the good times she had, and dream of reliving those times one day.  Though it seems the only thing she may be dreaming about now is vengeance, if that promo art is anything to go by.  But hey, it might not be as bad as I think, we'll see. 


      I dunno, she didn't really ride her motorcycle THAT often.

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    • Alright, finally got the free-time to see the Character Short.....I'll get updated on this thread's current discussion in some minutes, but first I'll post my thoughts:

      -The upgraded Maya art-style makes things have more....depth. It mkes them look better, but the contrast with the earlier style makes Ruby and Weiss seem uncanny a bit.

      -I notice the whole first half of the trailer is a call-back to the Red Trailer. Ruby walks through a forest, alone, (finally) hiding her face under the hood, stands in front of a cliff, then fights multiple Beowulves. Even the camera angles during said walk, and the music style in the fight, felt similar to the trailer's.

      -....I thought Ruby's Semblance was Speed, not Storm of Roses. Moving fast and erratically while cloaking herself is one thing, but practically turning into petals? Does this mean a Semblance can evolve into a very-different Semblance?

      -And most importantly: ...The hell is wrong with her cape? It's almost like it's alive.

      -Beringel: Best Grimm so far. Strong, tough, and knows how to work around the Beowulves's uselessness.

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    • So, I saw someone on Youtube complain that Ruby, Blake, and Yang have totally different art styles and that, if they saw screenshots of those three and didn't know any better, they'd think they were each from entirely different shows.

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    • We've known for a long time that a semblance can evolve into far more powerful forms.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      -And most importantly: ...The hell is wrong with her cape? It's almost like it's alive.

      Her cape is obviously a parasitic Grimm in disguise, waiting for its chance to infect Ruby and control her mind when she's vulnerable.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      We've known for a long time that a semblance can evolve into far more powerful forms.

      Phantom, go to bed, you're falling asleep.

      You missed my point hard. Her Semblance was supposedly Speed. Before, she could make Dashes. What do I expect her to do with her Semblance as she gets better? To go from Dashes to actual Super Speed, and to use said Super Speed to make Tornadoes by spinning, or create Sonic Booms.

      What she did, was a completely different kind of power. It's not a "more powerful form", it's a radically-different form. It's not a pond growing into a lake, it's a pond becoming steam, barely the same as before.

      @Chishio: I'm not surprised some people are saying that. The contrast is more noticeable than one would expect.

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    • Do you think her speed is able to create a mimic of sorts? Either that, or she just moved fast enough to split off from her Aura effect to create an illusion that she triplicated. That's a best guess.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Phantomlink959 wrote:
      We've known for a long time that a semblance can evolve into far more powerful forms.
      Phantom, go to bed, you're falling asleep.

      You missed my point hard. Her Semblance was supposedly Speed. Before, she could make Dashes. What do I expect her to do with her Semblance as she gets better? To go from Dashes to actual Super Speed, and to use said Super Speed to make Tornadoes by spinning, or create Sonic Booms.

      What she did, was a completely different kind of power. It's not a "more powerful form", it's a radically-different form. It's not a pond growing into a lake, it's a pond becoming steam, barely the same as before.

      @Chishio: I'm not surprised some people are saying that. The contrast is more noticeable than one would expect.

      Technically all we've had is seeing her move at high speed and one comment from Pyrrha who had likely only seen it once or twice. We have absolutely no idea what the true nature of her semblance is.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Either that, or she just moved fast enough to split off from her Aura effect to create an illusion that she triplicated. That's a best guess.

      Moving so fast that the Aura Effect can't catch up? Makes more sense to me than "Speed evolved into Zenbonsakura!!".

      @Phantom: One comment from Pyrrha....which, combined with what we've been Shown, was RT's way of saying "it's Speed". It's the exact same as when Ruby said she thinks Cinder used Dust Clothes, as RT's way of saying "she uses those".

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      I hope they don't. My concern is that, if they keep the bumblebee patch and Black Sun happens, there'll be a ton of people going "HOW DARE YOU QUEERBAIT US?!!! You were CLEARLY hinting to Bumblebee happening with that patch on her pants and then you went with a straight relationship instead, therefore you queerbaited, you horrible people!!"

      I wasn't even thinking of that, I was thinking more of her bike, Bumblebee.  I'm certain she doesn't have romantic feelings for Blake, since Monty strove to make RWBY as ecchi-free as possible, going against the grain (which I always enjoy).  So I see the patch as a reminder of her more joyful past, something she doesn't want to forget.  I hope she keeps the jacket too, a memento of her father's no doubt, the show needs such fond memories to somewhat offset the dark times on the horizon.

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    • if we assume the petals are physical items, then we need to remember that, as speed increases, so does mass. A thickly packed bundle of flower petals, moving at 70-80 miles per hour, could do some serious damage.

      Similarly, a handful of loose but somewhat rigid petals will slice you open much like a papercut.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      if we assume the petals are physical items, then we need to remember that, as speed increases, so does mass.

      I thought it was "as speed increases, so does the force applied on impact", not the mass itself. The mass itself stays the same, but the faster speed multiples the force applied by the object (or better said, multiplies the mass more, causing bigger force to be applied).

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      if we assume the petals are physical items, then we need to remember that, as speed increases, so does mass. A thickly packed bundle of flower petals, moving at 70-80 miles per hour, could do some serious damage.

      Similarly, a handful of loose but somewhat rigid petals will slice you open much like a papercut.

      Oh joy, so Ruby has become Senbonzakura. (j/k)  Sorry, that's what came to mind when I read your post.  Man, that would make for a devastating attack, perfect for whittling down someone's Aura.  Hopefully she doesn't go Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, that would be a bit much.  Though maybe it won't be as inane as I fear it will be, we'll see.

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    • Mass and force are effectively interchangable when you start getting into quantum mechanics, either way the faster something ism oving the harder it's going to hit.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      Mass and force are effectively interchangable when you start getting into quantum mechanics

      I did not know quantum mechanics were involved here.... Anyway, we're getting off-rail.

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    • the tl;dr on it is that mass and force are effectively the same thing; objects have mass because they are constantly in motion on sub-atomic levels, constantly generating force which creates a well in the fabric of space time (there's a more specific term that i can't recall off the top of my head).

      as an object gains speed the force it is generating on that field increases causing its apparent mass to rise.

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    • Imma just point this out because it was a big point of contention when the promo image was released.

      Ruby no longer has a boob window in her new outfit.

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    • Alhazad2003 wrote:

      I wasn't even thinking of that, I was thinking more of her bike, Bumblebee.  I'm certain she doesn't have romantic feelings for Blake, since Monty strove to make RWBY as ecchi-free as possible, going against the grain (which I always enjoy).  So I see the patch as a reminder of her more joyful past, something she doesn't want to forget.  I hope she keeps the jacket too, a memento of her father's no doubt, the show needs such fond memories to somewhat offset the dark times on the horizon.

      1. I was not saying that you were thinking of the ship. I was saying that I'm afraid that other people would think the patch hints to the ship and then get pissed off and scream "Queerbaiting" if Black Sun happens because they thought the patch was the crew's way of saying #BumblebyConfirmed. People have cried "queerbaiting" for less, like the large part of the Supernatural fandom that thinks the show keeps hinting Destiel, when all that I've seen from the show is Dean considering Cas to be family, not romantic love.

      2. Ecchi... RWBY would not become ecchi just because of two girls dating. Two girls dating is not inherently sexual, it's just.. two girls in love.

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    • Really liked the, is Spanish or Hispanic(?), guitar theme going on in the beginning, 

      Seems like one of the Beowolves was smart enough to try and use improvised weapons by throwing bricks at Ruby.

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:

      Really liked the, is Spanish or Hispanic(?), guitar theme going on in the beginning, 

      Seems like one of the Beowolves was smart enough to try and use improvised weapons by throwing bricks at Ruby.

      Pretty sure it was a variation on the music from the Red trailer.

      That was a pretty smart pooch, given its species.

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    • What I meant was like right before the Bringel showed up the guitar playing sounded like what I've heard off of Once Upon a time in Mexico and Ace Combat Zero

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    • Lord Jaric wrote:

      -Really liked the, is Spanish or Hispanic(?), guitar theme going on in the beginning, 

      -Seems like one of the Beowolves was smart enough to try and use improvised weapons by throwing bricks at Ruby.

      -Hispanic basically meant "from a spanish colony". Nowadays used interchangeably with Latin, as in "speaks latin or a language derived from latin (italian, spanish, french...)".

      Indeed, as would be expected Latin cultures are similar in some things to the Spanish culture. You may be thinking of Spanish.

      -And the Beringel was smart enough to try throwing a Beowulf at Ruby.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:
      Lord Jaric wrote:

      -Really liked the, is Spanish or Hispanic(?), guitar theme going on in the beginning, 

      -Seems like one of the Beowolves was smart enough to try and use improvised weapons by throwing bricks at Ruby.

      -Hispanic basically meant "from a spanish colony". Nowadays used interchangeably with Latin, as in "speaks latin or a language derived from latin (italian, spanish, french...)".

      Indeed, as would be expected Latin cultures are similar in some things to the Spanish culture. You may be thinking of Spanish.

      Guess my anthropologic mind was just thinking there would be some differences between the Spanish culture and the various Latin American countries, such as music.


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    • They share some genres and instruments.

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    • It's not entirely hard to believe that the more Ruby uses her semblance the faster she becomes while at the same time being able to control where she goes rather than just a straight line. 

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    • Atebox wrote:
      It's not entirely hard to believe that the more Ruby uses her semblance the faster she becomes while at the same time being able to control where she goes rather than just a straight line. 

      Yeah, but at one point, she turned into three swarms of rose petals.

      It's possible that two of those were diversions so the Grimm couldn't tell which one she was or something.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Atebox wrote:
      It's not entirely hard to believe that the more Ruby uses her semblance the faster she becomes while at the same time being able to control where she goes rather than just a straight line. 
      Yeah, but at one point, she turned into three swarms of rose petals.

      It's possible that two of those were diversions so the Grimm couldn't tell which one she was or something.

      Obviously there are actually 3 Ruby's who all share the same body and for a second they all split apart and went around the Grimm and then rejoined.

      (I actually think that one of the three streams being the real Ruby and the other two being speed illusions makes sense)

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    • That's kind of where I was going with her becoming reealllly fast in her semblance. When she appeared to split into three she was in each spot separately but she is moving so fast that she appears to be in each spot simultaneously.

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    • Atebox wrote:
      That's kind of where I was going with her becoming reealllly fast in her semblance. When she appeared to split into three she was in each spot separately but she is moving so fast that she appears to be in each spot simultaneously.

      With the way that they moved, I really don't see how that makes any sense at all. I'd say the other two were her rose petals making the decoys, not her quickly moving in one direction in a way that she somehow appears in three places at once.

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    • If this is the animation style they're using from now on, sign me right the fuck up. That looked great, plus the Grimm actually look threatening now.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      If this is the animation style they're using from now on, sign me right the fuck up. That looked great, plus the Grimm actually look threatening now.

      I would so buy a 5th anniversary Beacon Arc remake in the new artsyle. Or a 10th anniversary. Or an anything occasion, just so long as it was a remake of the first 3 Volumes in the new artstyle. That would look awesome.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      With the way that they moved, I really don't see how that makes any sense at all. I'd say the other two were her rose petals making the decoys, not her quickly moving in one direction in a way that she somehow appears in three places at once.

      Meh I like the idea of her bending the laws of physics to multiply her existence momentarily.

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    • I wonder if we will see any blood in this volume, even though that is unlikely unless someone whose aura is 0% is sliced pretty good. Sorry if I got edgy there. Also I feel there will be more language than before.

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    • Eh, I doubt they're going to stray beyond the realm of "PG that actually fucking means something".

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    • Who knows, they could go to PG-13, like what happened with Harry Potter later in the series and two of the Star Wars movies.

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    • I'm wondering if anyone else noticed or considered this an inconsistency;

      when Ruby attempts to strike the Beringel and has that "O Shit!" moment before it grapples her face, she seems to Stick her Scythe in it and get it stuck... except it magically ends up being flailed in the air during said grapple, despite neither party seeming to dislodge it.

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    • 108.79.10.237 wrote:
      Who knows, they could go to PG-13, like what happened with Harry Potter later in the series and two of the Star Wars movies.

      I think if the rating goes up for any reason, it'll most likely be strong language or really dark situations, like the Joker torturing Jason Todd in Batman: Arkham Knight.  I doubt we'll be seeing any gore (not including Grimm gore), or any "adult" situations, just a more serious version of the first three volumes.  Though we'll know for sure in another 18 days, looking forward to it. :D

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    • No, but I did notice Stumpy the Tailless Beowolf (whose hind paws are declawed and hind legs are de-spiked).

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:
      I'm wondering if anyone else noticed or considered this an inconsistency;

      It's an inconsistency but, if you want an in universe explanation, the Beringel is so tough that it didn't even flinch when Crescent Rose's blade was literally torn out of its side when it punched Ruby Away.

      Macho Bonus +2 - "Don't worry, it's only a flesh wound."

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Alhazad2003 wrote:

      I wasn't even thinking of that, I was thinking more of her bike, Bumblebee.  I'm certain she doesn't have romantic feelings for Blake, since Monty strove to make RWBY as ecchi-free as possible, going against the grain (which I always enjoy).  So I see the patch as a reminder of her more joyful past, something she doesn't want to forget.  I hope she keeps the jacket too, a memento of her father's no doubt, the show needs such fond memories to somewhat offset the dark times on the horizon.

      1. I was not saying that you were thinking of the ship. I was saying that I'm afraid that other people would think the patch hints to the ship and then get pissed off and scream "Queerbaiting" if Black Sun happens because they thought the patch was the crew's way of saying #BumblebyConfirmed. People have cried "queerbaiting" for less, like the large part of the Supernatural fandom that thinks the show keeps hinting Destiel, when all that I've seen from the show is Dean considering Cas to be family, not romantic love.

      2. Ecchi... RWBY would not become ecchi just because of two girls dating. Two girls dating is not inherently sexual, it's just.. two girls in love.

      Funny that you mention Supernatural. I just watched an episode today where the Winchester brothers meet their fandom and now matter how much the show tells its audience "They're NOT incestuous", said fandom will only see it as a challenge to defend their vision even further. Another example would be Loud House. It's a show about a family... And the protagonist kid is shipped with every single one of his sisters. Multiple fanarts, fanfiction and +18 material. And the show is not even half a year old.

      I don't think the creators should worry about what the fandom thinks anymore. Even if they deny Bumblebee, its fans will claim otherwise. They will grab whatever they can to make their ship canon.

      Blake cried for Yang's near death experience = Bumblebee confirmed!

      Blake smiled when Yang sat on her bed in the recent chibi episodes = Bumblebee confirmed!

      Yang has a bumblebee sticker on her pants = Bumblebee confirmed!

      And don't even get me started on WhiteRose or VelvetxCoco.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:
      Considering that Taiyang's cabin is near Yang in that shot and Patch is just off the coast of Vale, yeah, I think you're looking too much into it and the transitions aren't all happening at the same time. They probably wanted it to be night in Weiss' shot just because it would look more dramatic.

      I looked at Remnant's map again and found a possible explanation. Maybe it's not that Yang is not at Patch but rather Weiss' home is directly above Mistral which means these are RWY's locations:

      Rwbylocations
      Since we don't the exact locations of Weiss or RJNR, we're free to assume Weiss' home is not directly above Patch but rather a bit to the east of Atlas. We also know where Vale is located based on the red color of the map which is Forever Fall meaning that Vale is, in fact, not above Atlas so it doesn't share its timezone.

      These locations can explain how is it that it's morning with Yang but night with Weiss and Ruby.

      However, I can't point out where Blake is not because of the timezone but because of the sea in front of her. If we assume Blake's on Vacuo then why is there a sea in front of her even though Vacuo is a desert? Wouldn't it be more fitting to show a desert. Same reasoning for Atlas. More fitting to show snow. This tells me that Blake might actually be at Mistral which is defined by being surrounded by sea from every direction.

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    • Vale has docks, because it opens onto the sea. There's nothing to say she's not just at the docks in the industrial district of Vale looking out in the direction Vacuo might be.

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    • FWIW, I don't think that we necessarily have to assume that the end of the Trailer was jumping to Weiss, Blake and Yang to answer the question: "Where are they right now?"

      I'm sure that there was an element of telling us their current condition:

      • The bars in Weiss's windows conveying the idea of her being imprisoned;
      • Blake being clearly at the end of her path and no longer able to see any way forwards to the light she seeks;
      • Yang is emotionally and mentally alone (note the lack of Zwei or Taiyang in that shot as well as sitting away from the house in an isolated spot) and trying to retreat into the certainties of her childhood to regain a sense of safety (being seen by her childhood home).

      I'm pretty sure the time of day at which they were shown was probably arbitary.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:
      Vale has docks, because it opens onto the sea. There's nothing to say she's not just at the docks in the industrial district of Vale looking out in the direction Vacuo might be.

      Under that reasoning, if Vacuo also has docks then the picture could be showing her arrival. I'm saying that it's fitting to be Mistral because the only interesting thing that's been pointed out about it is the sea through things like "Mistral Trade Route" and also because Adam hinted there was a WF operation going on in there which gives Blake a reason to be there.

      But beyond that, Blake could be anywhere in the world.

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    • The problem with Vacuo is which way the sun is. It's presumed to be late evening, the sun is setting in the scene she's in, hence it is to the west of the image. For it to be in Vacuo, the sun would be setting behind her as the main harbour she would have arrived in from Vale is on the eastern side of the Kingdom. She would have to be looking east.

      If that was case, the sun would be rising. But because the sun is on the left side of the screen rather than the right, it lends credence to the assumption that the sun is setting, which rules out that main harbour of Vacuo's which is closest to Vale and would be the main port for Blake to arrive in Vacuo in.

      Therefore, by looking at the composition of the picture we can safely assume that she is looking out at a sunset, and is therefore not on a dock in Vacuo looking back east towards Vale. However, by that same logic we are able to make assumptions about her looking west, either from Mistral to Vale or from Vale to Vacuo.

      Given that she was shown running around Vale at the end of V3 and had no intention of returning to Mistral, which is where the White Fang and Adam are said to be based given that Adam did say "return to Mistral" in Beginning of the End, we can presume that she is not in Mistral. For them to jump her ahead so far in terms of character development off screen, by sending her to Mistral to deal with her demons and not showing us the development through the show itself, would be extremely terrible writing. As in, so terrible even Miles and Kerry should be able to see how bad an idea that is.

      Of course, this is a lot of presumptions and assumptions. I could be way off base here.

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    • BenRG wrote:

      I'm sure that there was an element of telling us their current condition:

      • The bars in Weiss's windows conveying the idea of her being imprisoned;
      • Blake being clearly at the end of her path and no longer able to see any way forwards to the light she seeks;
      • Yang is emotionally and mentally alone (note the lack of Zwei or Taiyang in that shot as well as sitting away from the house in an isolated spot) and trying to retreat into the certainties of her childhood to regain a sense of safety (being seen by her childhood home).

      .*Wipes a tear from her eye, sniffles* That's beautiful. (No, seriously, that's a beautiful way to look at it)

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    • But what if it's not a sunset and the camera is simply looking at the scene from the right side? What if the sun is actually coming out and what Blake is seeing is the morning light? Think about it. It's currently daylight in Patch which is at the east of Vacuo meaning if the sun is already illuminating Vale, it's still about to become visible for Vacuo. That would match. Morning in Vacuo, followed by aftertoon in Vale and finally night in Mistral and Atlas. It fits the Sun's position perfectly. Alternatevily, if Blake is at the docks of Mistral but to the very west of the continent while Ruby is at the east then the sun already passed Ruby but it's still visible for Blake.

      As for Blake's motivations, this entire Volume seems to be about facing your demons. The time-skip might serve the purpose of skipping all the depression and showing us the results. It wouldn't be bad writing and certainly not unwelcome. Imagine half a volume, or at least four episodes, of Blake crying and lamenting herself until she finally decides to deal with it and hunt the White Fang at Mistral. That doesn't sound very entertaining. Not to mention, Blake has never been a patient person. As soon as she knows where the White Fang is and what they're planning, she interferes. It wouldn't be character development if she does it. It's her characterization instead.

      As for the writing part. Showing us flashbacks, explanations and references to the things Blake had to go through would still do the trick. You don't need to see it for yourself for it to be considered proper writing. We saw what provoked that depression and we're aware it took her six to eight months to do something about it and even then she's still not 100% back in the game. If she decides to finally get back, it wouldn't be out of place. Six months are a good off-screen excuse.

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    • DiegoAnime3000 wrote:
      But what if it's not a sunset and the camera is simply looking at the scene from the right side? What if the sun is actually coming out and what Blake is seeing is the morning light?

      Then why didn't they compose the scene so that the sun was on the right side of the screen, which is the side subconsciously associated with the east and therefore sunrise?

      I did say that it all makes presumptions and assumptions, but I based my idea off the composition of the scene (the sun is to the left, which is the west on a compass when viewed top down, therefore suggesting in my mind that it is setting).

      And personally, even if they did skip the drama, I'd prefer that they at least started the series with her starting her journey to Mistral so that we know that she's going there to face her demons rather than skipping to halfway through the journey with no indication of what she's doing. So I'd much prefer, from a viewer standpoint, for her to be standing on the docks because she's about to board a ship to Mistral, and we get a small infodump from her talking to the ship captain about how the ship is headed to Mistral. This sets the scene, lets us know that she's worked her way through her demons somewhat, and is on her way to deal with them or perhaps even join up with Ruby at a later stage. Not drop us into the middle of a scenario and leave us going "wtf is going on, I'm so confused" until the scenario stops and we get an infodump.

      It works with RNJR because we got to see at the end of V3 that they were setting out on their journey. It wouldn't work so well with Blake because we had no prior indication of this. EVery other scene in the trailer played off what we were shown at the end of V3 - Weiss is locked away at home because her father picked her up and took her there. Ruby is in Mistral because RNJR set off on a journey there. Yang is at home because she was still recuperating at home. Blake was shown hopping across the rooftops of Vale; to follow the trend set in the other three scenarios, she would have to still be in Vale, or just about to leave it to deal with her demons. Not halfway across the world with no indication for us as the viewers as to what is happening.

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    • Weiss I could maybe see, or (more likely) the bars on the window are to protect her the White Fang has it out for her entire family, and they recently helped destroy the school she had been attending.


      Blake is literally standing on a dock staring forward into the sunset, in a world with boats that's like the opposite of not being able to see a way;

      In fact, how do we know she isn't looking forward and waiting for a boat to arrive?

      Or maybe she's looking back, watching the boat that dropped her off leave?


      I think you're reading too far into camera angles meant to convey their updated appearances. Notice how no characters appear in-person in any of their scenes?

      Why single out Yang for that?

      She is staying in her childhood home because that is where she lives when she's not at Beacon, which is currently in ruins.

      I wouldn't exactly call 'an obvious tree stump in the front yard' isolated. For all we know she was just sitting outside waiting for Taiyand and Zwei to get ready before heading into town.

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    • But your suggestion contradicts your reasoning about the camera position. If she was about to travel to Mistral then wouldn't the camera be facing right since Mistral is at the east of Vacuo and Vale? Also, I edited my previous comment and added an explanation that accepts the point you're making while still claiming that Blake is at Mistral. Please, if you could, share your thoughts about that as well.

      There's an important difference missing: Weiss and Yang cannot leave their respective prisons. Weiss because her father won't allow it and Yang because she lost her flame. But what's stopping Blake? She left the team because she doesn't want them to get involved any further, not after what happened to Yang. But that doesn't mean Blake is uncapable of fighting on her own. In fact, she has gone as far as to investigate all on her own if it's necessary in Volumes 1-2. Are you suggesting that she spend those months doing absolutely nothing until she finally decided to travel to Mistral and start doing something? That doesn't seem fitting. Could even be considered bad writing for not giving a proper explanation as to why a main character who has nothing holding her back, apart from guilt, would only become active again until the narrative demanded it. Sounds like a cop-out if you ask me.

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    • I kinda think that, if Blake left Vale, she went to Vacuo. She's trying to distance herself from her loved ones so Adam won't kill them and probably wants to stay away from Adam as well. She may not know anyone in Vacuo, so she could go there. Plus, it could open the way for her to run into Sun, from him finally being able to head over there to see his family, who are no doubt worried about him.

      The CCT network is down, the Grimm are growing "stronger, more prevalent" (to quote Qrow), and Vale is absolutely surrounded by Grimm that are headed to Beacon, so travel may be... limited, especially for Vale. Hell, maybe Blake stayed behind for a few months to help get things under control enough to where she could feel comfortable leaving, believing that everyone will be fine.

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    • Regarding Blake... I think that there are basically only two possible directions:

      1) She has been running and hiding, going from safe-house to safe-house whilst trying to figure out what if anything she does next; after half a year, she's finally ready to admit to herself that she always knew what she needed to do;

      2) Blake has been fighting a low-intensity war against Adam, trying to undermine his position by a thousand cuts (minor hits against safe-houses, undercover members and equipment stores).

      In both cases, where she is right now is up in the air. I like to think that she's still in Vale or its immediate vicinity, something for which she has an excellent self-deceit but the reality is that she can't bear to leave Yang behind crippled and undefended (as she thinks of it).

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    • I know that reasoning contradicts the one about the camera position. That was a completely separate point, meant to show that I am amenable to the suggestion of Blake perhaps travelling to another continent, as long as it is handled correctly. In my opinion, dumping us in the middle of her journey would be incorrectly handling her departure to Mistral. However, starting from Vale and travelling to Mistral with a small bit of information at the beginning of the journey to at least let us know what she is doing would be alright.

      Also, Vale is sort of in shambles. Beacon is overrun with Grimm. There's a hel of a lot to do in Vale, even if she does it whilst avoiding her friends. She's avoiding showing Adam anyone that she is close to so he doesn't go after them, not avoiding helping out around the City with the rebuild, and perhaps helping out with the attempts to reclaim Beacon, or at least control the amount of Grimm that come into Vale from the school. That would require a 24 hour watch set up to make sure they don't come into town while their defences are so badly shaken.

      That could be one reason for why she hasn't left Vale yet, despite having no real prison holding her in place. After all, her reasoning could be "It was my brothers in arms who did this, I have to at least try to pay for their sins". 

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    • FWIW, I do think that there are a lot of dangers trying to over-interpret every artistic decision made by the directors of the show. Sometimes, a camera angle is just a camera angle.

      Other things (such as Blake being at the end of a wharf and suddenly looking back) do at least allow for interpretation simply because they do seem to convey a message of some kind because they are so deliberate.

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    • So... has anyone else noticed that Blake already showed us that she's on her way to Mistral as well? Pay attention to her last shot in V3 finale. She's in BEACON and based on the direction of her jumps and the sight of the dragon it's clear she's going to the Emerald Forest which means she's heading for the east AKA Mistral.

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    • Cool! They changed our titles. I was tired of being read as anonymous contributor. It doesn't have a nice ring to it.

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    • 189.217.48.251 wrote:
      So... has anyone else noticed that Blake already showed us that she's on her way to Mistral as well? Pay attention to her last shot in V3 finale. She's in BEACON and based on the direction of her jumps and the sight of the dragon it's clear she's going to the Emerald Forest which means she's heading for the east AKA Mistral.


      I'm pretty sure she was in Vale proper at the time actually.

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    • it is good to see the shadows and more texture in the short.

      but i wonder how many volume it needs to give Ruby fingernails

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      189.217.48.251 wrote:
      So... has anyone else noticed that Blake already showed us that she's on her way to Mistral as well? Pay attention to her last shot in V3 finale. She's in BEACON and based on the direction of her jumps and the sight of the dragon it's clear she's going to the Emerald Forest which means she's heading for the east AKA Mistral.

      I'm pretty sure she was in Vale proper at the time actually.

      Can't be. We saw Beacon at the distance but it's located on a high cliff. You can't get a look at it from Vale much less the one Blake got which is basically in front of Beacon.

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    • Vermillionaid wrote:
      it is good to see the shadows and more texture in the short.

      but i wonder how many volume it needs to give Ruby fingernails

      Better question: When will they finally get the lighting right?

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    • Finally gonna get around to commenting on this. Overall, I'm super hype about this new volume, but it's gonna take me a while to get used to this new style. Something about the way they look is bordering on uncanny valley for me. Either way, I just can't wait until the first episode is released!

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    • 189.217.48.251 wrote:
      Arkantos95 wrote:
      I'm pretty sure she was in Vale proper at the time actually.
      Can't be. We saw Beacon at the distance but it's located on a high cliff. You can't get a look at it from Vale much less the one Blake got which is basically in front of Beacon.

      Okay, so I searched for a screenshot that shows the exact same type of building that is seen in the shot with Blake, and it's in the part where Mercury is livestreaming the chaos. Rewatching the episode, we see that Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury were super close to Beacon Tower, facing it. But the roof Blake is on is really far away from Beacon Tower. So... is she on Beacon's campus or not? How big is Beacon's campus? How many buildings do they need? Is part of Vale right next to Beacon?

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    • There are tons of those buildings behind Beacon, and the perspective fits way better. Vale isn't anywhere near Beacon. Its below it. She obviously went back to get her weapon.

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    • DiegoAnime3000 wrote:
      Vermillionaid wrote:
      it is good to see the shadows and more texture in the short.

      but i wonder how many volume it needs to give Ruby fingernails

      Better question: When will they finally get the lighting right?

      At least Ruby doesn't look like Casper anymore.

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    • She might still be on campus. Some of the buildings might be student accommodation and stuff like that. Some universities have huge campuses; given how important and prestigious Beacon is, I wouldn't be surprised if it had really, really big grounds.

      This shot's a fair bit closer than the Blake pic, but we can at least tell that some student accommodations are quite far from the tower.

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      Beacon's campus might also not be contiguous, with non-Academy buildings interspersed between. There's also nothing to say that some districts of Vale aren't also located on the upper cliffs with Beacon.

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    • In Volume 1, we get a wide shot of Beacon, and there's nothing near it. It's by itself.

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    • Which shot are you referring to? It's been ages since I've watched Volume 1.

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    • When Ruby and Yang look out the window of the airship taking them to Beacon. They used a piece of concept art that's actually posted here on the wiki. The beacon cliffside

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    • Oh, right, I remember that shot.

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      Well I guess it's an inconsistency then... I can't imagine how these shots could work together.

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    • Or, you know, it could just be Blake went back to get her weapon?

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    • Uh, I guess. But the distances don't really look like they'd work unless Beacon is really far away in that shot.

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    • Beacon doesn't even look that far away. There's literally no other excuse for the perspective of the dragon on the tower other than she's behind it, on one of the many dorms/learning facilities.

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    • I never trusted any shots from Volume 1. Beacon Academy always changes sizes. Sometimes it looks small, others it looks gigantic. That shot makes it look small while Roman's map shows us Beacon is the same size as Patch which is an island huge enough to have a combat school and villages.

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    • I think you're underestimating the size of the tower and the Dragon.

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    • 67.140.218.123 wrote: Beacon doesn't even look that far away. There's literally no other excuse for the perspective of the dragon on the tower other than she's behind it, on one of the many dorms/learning facilities.

      Yeah. She'd have to be somewhere behind it, but even then it doesn't look like there's a lot of space. Unless the student accommodations are arranged in like a straight line directly opposite the camera or something.

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    • That's what I'm talking about! From the direction where Blake is seeing the dragon it looks like she's behind Beacon and because she's very far away almost in the last few buildings it suggests that she's going through Beacon and heading to the Emerald forest which is behind Beacon too.

      Makes me think Blake is actually leaving Vale and heading to the east which means she's going to Mistral. The only clue they have to locate the bad guys = WF included.

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    • It doesn't matter how big the tower/dragon is. She's clearly behind it, and there's no way she can be in Vale and have that perspective.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote: I think you're underestimating the size of the tower and the Dragon.

      That makes even less sense. The bigger the tower is, the further away Blake would have to be in that shot. But as we can see, there's no actual built-up area visible that is far enough away for the tower to be that small from that perspective.

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    • FWIW, as I remember it in V3e12, the Dragon's head was about as tall as Cinder standing up, which puts it in the 150-200cm range.

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    • BenRG wrote:
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      I'm wondering if anyone else noticed or considered this an inconsistency;
      It's an inconsistency but, if you want an in universe explanation, the Beringel is so tough that it didn't even flinch when Crescent Rose's blade was literally torn out of its side when it punched Ruby Away.
      Macho Bonus +2 - "Don't worry, it's only a flesh wound."

      but somehow Ruby holds on to it... one handed... while being punched in the face supposedly hard enough to dislodge what she couldn't with both hands... even going so far as to move it on the opposite side of the arm the Beringel punched her face with(without hitting it)... I don't buy that explanation at all.

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    • When it comes to their locations in the trailer, I do think it would be more fitting if they were each in or around a separate Kingdom. In that case it would be Blake looking at a sunrise in Vacuo, which is more consistent with the geography than her being in any other kingdom. This makes a certain element of sense as Vacuo appears to be a place where the White Fang lacks the pull and presence they had in Vale and obviously what they have in Mistral. Plus, it is just the kind of place a person would go if that person were trying to disappear and in Blake's case keeps her as far from her friends as possible.

      Incidentally, that doesn't mean Blake is running from the White Fang or Adam. We don't know for certain that Adam and the White Fang he commanded were acting with the approval of the higher-ups. They were basically threatened and intimidated into joining up with Cinder's crew. She didn't go to the higher-ups, but to Adam. He could have been excommunicated along with his group as a rogue faction that dared to work with humans, particularly humans such as Roman Torchwick. Providing that is the case, then they could have fled to Vacuo to set up there and after trying to track them down in Vale she pursued them to Vacuo.

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    • GreyStark wrote:
      That was pretty good. The animation is completely different

      Yeah I know right? This shit looks like a Cyberconnect game, I love it! 

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    • Has it been confirmed whether or not Ruby's cloak has dust woven into it? It could explain why her cloak extended when she stabbed the gorilla Grimm while landing on the ground. Her cloak could also have the ability to choose a direction to accelerate in which she used to boost multiple times in the air. The ability to split into three seperate entities could be a combination of her cloak's ability and her semblance or just her ability to fully wield her cloak in general.

      The only person that we know that has clothes that have dust woven into it is Cinder as her clothing lights up when she uses her glass attacks. She also has the ability to manipulate the form it takes like swords, bow and arrows, and projectiles.

      Since Ruby's cloak emits rose petals on the cloak and not from her body i just thought they were similar in the way they activate.

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    • 58.110.74.227 wrote:
      Has it been confirmed whether or not Ruby's cloak has dust woven into it? It could explain why her cloak extended when she stabbed the gorilla Grimm while landing on the ground. Her cloak could also have the ability to choose a direction to accelerate in which she used to boost multiple times in the air. The ability to split into three seperate entities could be a combination of her cloak's ability and her semblance or just her ability to fully wield her cloak in general.

      The only person that we know that has clothes that have dust woven into it is Cinder as her clothing lights up when she uses her glass attacks. She also has the ability to manipulate the form it takes like swords, bow and arrows, and projectiles.

      Since Ruby's cloak emits rose petals on the cloak and not from her body i just thought they were similar in the way they activate.

      1. I'm pretty sure the rose petals are still just a manifestation of Ruby's Aura, and her cloak isn't some kind of super special fabric or something. It's likely just Aura + artistic choice.

      2. Cinder uses the Dust in her clothes for more than just glass attacks. Remember the liquid fiery attacks she used against Glynda in V1E1 (I say liquid because the shot that Glynda blocked splattered onto the ground) and the fact that her sleeve's designs glowed when she made the grass in front of her burst into flame while threatening Adam. The Dust in her clothes may also be responsible for the explosions/eruptions that she makes.

      More likely, the Dust in her clothes isn't some kind of glass Dust or something. Rather, she's making glass by doing things like melting sand, which is exactly what she did in Beginning of the End. She kicked dirt into the air when she slid, then her sleeve's designs started glowing, and particles in the dirt melted and collected together into glass shards.

      The swords, bow, and arrows she uses are obsidian, which is volcanic black glass, and apparently she, to some extent, has the ability to melt down and reform shattered obsidian, as seen with the arrow that struck Pyrrha's heel/ankle. Whether or not anyone else can exert that level of control over something they create using Dust has yet to be seen.

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    • 58.110.74.227 wrote:
      Has it been confirmed whether or not Ruby's cloak has dust woven into it? It could explain why her cloak extended when she stabbed the gorilla Grimm while landing on the ground.

      .....It would not. It really would not explain it. It would only create more questions.

      Her cloak could also have the ability to choose a direction to accelerate in which she used to boost multiple times in the air.

      ......And how is that even possible?

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:


      58.110.74.227 wrote: Her cloak could also have the ability to choose a direction to accelerate in which she used to boost multiple times in the air.
      ......And how is that even possible?

      She has a magic cloak. Just as there are magic people and magic abilities, so too are there magic artifacts. Ruby somehow got her hands on one as a young girl, and no one knew what it was. It will only be in the 5th Volume when we discover the mystical abilities of this article of clothing.

      Or, you know, Ruby infuses her aura with her cloak subconsciously when she's fighting, and the extended cloak was actually just petals coalescing into cloak form without her realising, as she uses the cloak to create a larger tailwind and therefore by extending the cloak she can extend or increase the tailwind she creates when she uses her semblance. Her petals are the exact colour of the cloak, after all, and her cloak does seem to leak petals instead of them only coming from her when she's using her semblance.

      Or...the animators/writers thought it would look cool. Shrug

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    • i thought it was explained in the World of Remnant video the dust episode that it is an archaic form of dust manipulation along with fusing dust within their own bodies.

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    • Yeah...but nowhere was it ever indicated that infusing dust into clothing gives the clothes a mind of their own. It's literally just another way to store dust instead of carrying it in containers, and people have been doing it for centuries.

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    • 58.110.74.227 wrote:
      i thought it was explained in the World of Remnant video the dust episode that it is an archaic form of dust manipulation along with fusing dust within their own bodies.

      Yes. And what can you make with Dust? Elemental stuff. Fireballs, Tornados, Ice Cones...

      ....Make a cape grow and shrink in size and length? Noooope.

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    • Truee ...  oh well just freaking out on how the hell does her cape grow thats all.

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    • We all are, anon. We all are.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Yes. And what can you make with Dust? Elemental stuff. Fireballs, Tornados, Ice Cones...

      ....Make a cape grow and shrink in size and length? Noooope.

      One thing I've been wrestling with, though, is whether or not gravity counts as "elemental". It still fits "nature's wrath", I guess? Since gravity is a natural part of the world. Though, still, "nature's wrath" doesn't exactly bring to mind "gravity", although gravity can have wrath in the form of falling to your death.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      One thing I've been wrestling with, though, is whether or not gravity counts as "elemental".

      Well, it could be the almost-requisite "Non-Elemental" or Almighty "element". It would be Elemental in the technical sense.

      In practice, so far Gravity=Kinetic. A simple and primordial part of physics. Physics are not just natural, but universal. Dust seems to be less "Nature's wrath" and more "Nature" (of course, there's the matter of Barrier Dust....but it depends on what it is. It could be (hard)light for all we know).

      Gravity could be the more artistic in-universe name, in the same way Fire=Burn and Earth (maybe) = Stone.

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    • gravity is one of the four fundamental forces, it's already as simple as it gets.

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    • It does seem a little odd that they have a Dust type that focuses on manipulating one of the four fundamental forces of reality.

      Ninja'd.

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    • SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

      Well, it could be the almost-requisite "Non-Elemental" or Almighty "element". It would be Elemental in the technical sense.

      In practice, so far Gravity=Kinetic. A simple and primordial part of physics. Physics are not just natural, but universal. Gravity could be the more artistic in-universe name, in the same way Fire=Burn and Earth (maybe) = Stone.

      Perhaps.

      Ah, and I just remembered that the barrier seems like it's made using Dust, too, since we've seen Weiss and Neo make it and seen it set up as a dome in the colosseum. I'm curious what it's actually called. I mean, I know the robot lady voice called it a safety barrier, but that's... literally what it was, a barrier for people's safety (though, intended for safety from competitors and bullets, not Nevermores randomly showing up). Is it Energy or is it really called barrier? Hrrmm.

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    • I've heard it called Shield and Force Dust on here.

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    • ChishioKunrin wrote:

      Is it Energy or is it really called barrier? Hrrmm.

      That would be redundant.

      Let's consider how Dust is named. So far, I've noticed this:

      1-The different Dust elements represent different aspects and elements in nature, in a general sense. Fire, Water, Wind....they can also represent less "elemental" aspects of nature, such as physics.

      2-A single element can manifest in multiple Dust types. Ice-Water-Steam.

      3-The artistic names we've heard for some elements refer to things related to the element in question. Burn: Fire burns. Stone: Stones are heavily related to the Earth, and Stone can be a synonym for Rock. Gravity: In practice, it's Kinetic in action. Kinetics and Gravity are both Physical forces.

      So in total: Barrier would be:

      1-An element found in nature, be it an actual element like fire and wind, a more physical element such as space or physics, or a variation of either like steam and water.

      2-It's artistic name would refer to the actual element.

      If we assume Barrier is the actual name, and given what it does, then it's possible Barrier is a variation of Kinetic/Physical, in the same line as Gravity. Only instead of pushing, it stops.

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    • 58.110.74.227 wrote:
      Has it been confirmed whether or not Ruby's cloak has dust woven into it? It could explain why her cloak extended when she stabbed the gorilla Grimm while landing on the ground. Her cloak could also have the ability to choose a direction to accelerate in which she used to boost multiple times in the air. The ability to split into three seperate entities could be a combination of her cloak's ability and her semblance or just her ability to fully wield her cloak in general.

      The only person that we know that has clothes that have dust woven into it is Cinder as her clothing lights up when she uses her glass attacks. She also has the ability to manipulate the form it takes like swords, bow and arrows, and projectiles.

      Since Ruby's cloak emits rose petals on the cloak and not from her body i just thought they were similar in the way they activate.

      There would be nothing unprecedented about being able to have clothing affected by her Semblance. When Blake or Flynt create copies they replicate clothing and weapons rather than just physical form. I presume Qrow doesn't lose his clothing when turning into a crow. It is known that Dust and weapons can interact with Aura, so it only stands to reason that Semblance can affect the user's clothing as well as the user's physical form. The idea that Ruby's Semblance is not really speed was raised above and I suggested that it could be her speed is a function of a transformation that she had not yet fully manifested in the previous Volumes.

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    • The Devil's Advocate WP wrote:

      There would be nothing unprecedented about being able to have clothing affected by her Semblance. When Blake or Flynt create copies they replicate clothing and weapons rather than just physical form.

      Plus, the ear ring and tie that Flynt's clones are wearing are differently-colored than the ones he's wearing. Flynt wears light blue.

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    • Now i can sleep peacefully

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    • Oh hey, that's the Reap attack from the Grimm Eclipse game. That's cool.

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    • Back when the RTX showing was leaked, I suggested to someone on You TUBE that they've deliberately made Ruby's attacks match the moves and appearance of those in Grimm Eclipse for marketing reasons. No-one rejected the idea at the  time.

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    • Yeah.. That's cool.

      Edit: it's bit not good when the camera view change to GE-like view. The fight less "dramatic" at that part

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    • Vermillionaid wrote:
      Now i can sleep peacefully
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      No surprise here, but it looks like RWBY still has anti-upskirt technology.

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    • Or, skirt-flipping-upward-preventing tech

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    • Pretty much exactly tthe same thing.

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    • I was talking about the fact that, even though we see up her skirt, we don't see panties there.

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    • How is Ruby even cutting the beowolf when there's no blade on the outside of the scythe. 

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    • 67.140.216.47 wrote:
      How is Ruby even cutting the beowolf when there's no blade on the outside of the scythe. 


      Short answer? Rule of Cool, Willing Suspension of Disbelief, etc.

      Long answer? It's a scythe. If it hits, it's gonna hurt.

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    • that or the aura chanelled through it can be used to create a cutting force. but that's pure speculation.

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    • Phantomlink959 wrote:
      that or the aura chanelled through it can be used to create a cutting force. but that's pure speculation.

      ...I get this feeling you're being half-sarcastic, given we know about Aura Slashes and such.

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    • No shit, sherlock.

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    • Hey now, you did say you have a shitty memory, so you could have honestly forgotten that.

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    • RWBY is the only thing where I can consistently remember fine details.

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    • Isn't there a black blade on the top of her scythe?

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    • I thought that was a guard for when it folds inward

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    • I don't know what you mean by that, but it's not sticking out in rifle mode.

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    • Does the tip of the scythes look sharp? You'd be surprised how dull some swords were in the middle ages. The force behind the impact can actualy be a more necessary factor the how sharp the edge of a weapon is.

      Let's use a modern example hand axes for chopponig wood. let's say you have to axes one that's dull but has some weight to it, and a very light weight sharp one. The average person would stand over the log raise the axe up high and then bring it down on the log. The light weight axe would cut but wouldn't get to far into the wood while the heavy but dulled axe would go deeper, in some cases splitting the wood in half with one go (I ocasionaly helped my dad chopped rotten wood around our property, so I can personaly attest that this holds true). This is because an object's mass factors into momentum and force. The heaveir axe might have a dull edge but it's still generator more force that is concentrated on the edge of the axe due to the shape of the ace head.

      To make a long explanation short. If you hit something fast and hard enough with a sturdy material, the force of the impact alone can cut through(or rather sheee) things even without a sharpened edge. It's actualy the same reason why steel wires on suspension bridges are so dangerous if they snap, and whip around.


      So as long a Ruby is swinging fast and hard enough, and the tip of crescent rose penetrates the grim to give her weapon an entry point to focus it's momentum and force into the grim. It completely possibly for Crrscent Rose to cleave through the Grim, the corpse would be lacking a clean cut though in this situation.

      -Defcon Deceiver

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    • 70.195.135.139 wrote:
      Does the tip of the scythes look sharp? You'd be surprised how dull some swords were in the middle ages.

      Because Remnant is obviously still trapped in feudal times.

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    • The sharpness of Crescent Rose is proven by how easy it is for Ruby to cut through relatively dense objects (like hardwood) and punch the tip of the scythe into materials like asphalt to use as a monopod for aimed firing of the rifle.

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    • Plus I'm fairly certain they sharpen the edges using Aura in combat.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Plus I'm fairly certain they sharpen the edges using Aura in combat.

      like how Sasuke enhance the sharpness of his sword with his chidori

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    • Man fuck Sasuke.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Man fuck Sasuke.

      ayy,, fuck your opinion in particular.

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    • Nah man, Sasuke was a fucking asshole for the entire last half of Shippuden. Why in the hell Sakura agreed to marry him when he was literally never not a prick to her the entire time I will never understand.

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    • i actually like his ability. Sasuke had a better teleportation technique than Minato and could destroy half of meteor with his chidori.

      and about Sakura, you know, most girl will always looking for an handsome asshole instead of smart and caring nerd guy

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    • Oh Jesus you're one of those.

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    • holy mother russia

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    • Vermillionaid wrote:...

      and about Sakura, you know, most girl will always looking for an handsome asshole instead of smart and caring nerd guy


      You do realize Sasuke was effectively a second tier Nerd in his world right? The only bigger Jutsu nerds than him in that series were Orochimaru and Kabuto, even Naruto was technically less of a nerd.

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    • Naruto was just a freaking idiot that stumbled through his fights most of the time.

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    • Arkantos95 wrote:
      Naruto was just a freaking idiot that stumbled through his fights most of the time.


      exactly, thus less of a nerd than Sasuke, who actively sought out as much Jutsu as possible.

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    • You think that there will be more character shorts on the way? If so yoy think they'll show WBY or JNR?

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    • Apparently there's not.

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    • 75.38.186.39 wrote:
      You think that there will be more character shorts on the way? If so yoy think they'll show WBY or JNR?

      We were told no by Barb(and I believe Miles repeated that as well afterward)  They may have intended to, but they decided to focus resources on the show itself at this time.

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    • They never intended to (or at least, never announced any intention to) create more than 1 trailer/short for Volume 4. That was a rumor spread by misinformed people and it really bugs me how widely believed it was/is. It annoys me even more that people are being childishly upset that Rooster Teeth isn't delivering something they never promised to deliver.

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    • Shouldn't we be expecting to see the opening animation sometime soon? I second-volume's was released a few months before that volume started, and the third's was only a few weeks before theirs did. This volume's premier is coming up fast, I don't want to be the only one who's idealizing over this.

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    • That might be one of the things they'll show at tomorrow's NYCC panel.

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    • Gastropod wrote:
      They never intended to (or at least, never announced any intention to) create more than 1 trailer/short for Volume 4. That was a rumor spread by misinformed people and it really bugs me how widely believed it was/is. It annoys me even more that people are being childishly upset that Rooster Teeth isn't delivering something they never promised to deliver.

      I don't see any reason to assume this lone trailer was their only intended one, I think it far more likely they intended to create another once this was done, but that with the change of software and exploring new features available to them as well as problem solving they realized they could not early on. 

      That said I think they realized this early and thus "Promised" nothing.  It just seems like the other 3 girls were a hell of a poorly added after-thought, but far better animated than what they were doing deserves, thus why(to me at least) it looks like even RT entertained the idea to make more, but shelved them and fully developed the best model image scene of the other girls to insert into the existing Trailer.

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    • 73.Anon.52 wrote:

      Gastropod wrote:
      They never intended to (or at least, never announced any intention to) create more than 1 trailer/short for Volume 4. That was a rumor spread by misinformed people and it really bugs me how widely believed it was/is. It annoys me even more that people are being childishly upset that Rooster Teeth isn't delivering something they never promised to deliver.

      I don't see any reason to assume this lone trailer was their only intended one, I think it far more likely they intended to create another once this was done, but that with the change of software and exploring new features available to them as well as problem solving they realized they could not early on. 

      That said I think they realized this early and thus "Promised" nothing.  It just seems like the other 3 girls were a hell of a poorly added after-thought, but far better animated than what they were doing deserves, thus why(to me at least) it looks like even RT entertained the idea to make more, but shelved them and fully developed the best model image scene of the other girls to insert into the existing Trailer.

      This seems rather speculative to say that they must have intended to make four, but realized before they could promise anything that it wouldn't be possible. Part of your reasoning is that the other three were animated well in their scenes, therefore they must have been meant to be doing something else? That...seems the opposite to me. If they had looked poorly done, then it would look more like a poorly added afterthought. Personally, I think the scenes of the three girls did a decent job of hinting at their mental states.

      Finally, I agree with Gastropod. It's poor behavior to grumble about not getting more, especially since "more" was never indicated. We should appreciate what we got.

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    • HazelQuill7445 wrote:


      This seems rather speculative to say that they must have intended to make four, but realized before they could promise anything that it wouldn't be possible. Part of your reasoning is that the other three were animated well in their scenes, therefore they must have been meant to be doing something else? That...seems the opposite to me. If they had looked poorly done, then it would look more like a poorly added afterthought. Personally, I think the scenes of the three girls did a decent job of hinting at their mental states.

      Finally, I agree with Gastropod. It's poor behavior to grumble about not getting more, especially since "more" was never indicated. We should appreciate what we got.


      1. Animated well, But not storyboarded well... we haven't a clue what exactly Blake, Yang, or Weiss are doing, nor do the scenes indicate much of anything... they might as well have been left out for as much as they are worth, Which is why I think they were part of a larger storyboard that was cut far shorter than intended... whether that be a single longer cut, another trailer, or three more... perhaps not, but I don't think we can discount the possibility.

      Look at what RT has been going for with it's press for this season, updating to Maya and trying to show they still have "Rule of Cool", that this is the same RWBY only better. If they could have done 4 trailers... don't you think they would have? There is no reason to copy an artistic feat in honor of a friend only to half(quarter)-ass it

      Personally I'm wondering if they might do a new W, B, or Y Short for the next 3 Volumes Trailers(or hopefully also the mid-season hiatus). If we do get the Weiss/Yang focus RT indicated(not promised), it would make sense to start with Weiss and Yang's trailers only after we see their new, as-yet unseen capabilities as they break from their figurative fetters, so if they are developed the most this season aside from Ruby... it could make great sense seeing their trailers mid-season and before the next season, rather than now(although it's way too early to see much reason for only one before next season other than to not make too much pre-season work for RT).

      2. We all agree on this. It is poor form to demand or whine or have expected 4 trailers "had" to happen.

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    • The whole point of the short was to showcase the new software and the new character models, nothing more.

      I'm expecting an actual trailer, either the titles sequence or something made from in-episode footage, to turn up next week.

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    • ^RT has given no indication of an actual trailer in the works, in fact they stated they aren't doing more RWBY Videos to focus on the actual volume instead as part of the rejection of the idea of more character shorts... so it seems highly unlikely.

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    • There's the same amount of evidence for the existence of 3 extra shorts than there is for an editorial trailer, I'm not sure why you're believing in the existence of one but not the other. Especially when an editorial trailer is much easier to cut and make than a full character short.

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    • guys i have a shocking info, seriously.

      you know Haku (Zabuza's friend) from Naruto?

      she is a MALE! holy potato for hundred of years i thought he is a SHE!

      still can't believe it until i googled

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    • How is that relevant to this thread at all (I know there was a temporary deviation and talk about Naruto but that isn't the thread topic and also stopped a bit ago)?

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    • 23.235.227.108 wrote:
      guys i have a shocking info, seriously.

      you know Haku (Zabuza's friend) from Naruto?

      she is a MALE! holy potato for hundred of years i thought he is a SHE!

      still can't believe it until i googled

      That really isn't News nor does it have anything to do with this here.

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    • just fyi. i still hardly believe it anyway

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    • Dude they brought that up the first time he was introduced outside the mask.

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    • What about JNR even though they are with Ruby and lost a team member I feel they should get more screen time for their character development amd how they improved. Team RWBY is broken up and some of them are in there own state of mind but JNR followed Ruby to find out what has been happening, they should at least get there own screen time for this season to raise from supporting characters to main characters.

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    • Also the poster (in my opinion) shows that whatever WBY is doing is seperate from what RNJR is doing

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    • 75.38.186.39 wrote:
      Also the poster (in my opinion) shows that whatever WBY is doing is seperate from what RNJR is doing

      ....We....pretty much already knew that before the poster.

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    • Gastropod wrote:
      There's the same amount of evidence for the existence of 3 extra shorts than there is for an editorial trailer, I'm not sure why you're believing in the existence of one but not the other. Especially when an editorial trailer is much easier to cut and make than a full character short.

      I'm not believing in either, I'm believing in intent(not current intent, that has been abundantly clear from RT to not be the case, but original intent) for 3 shorts.

      They easily could have quashed the "OMG 4 trailorz!" rumors many more months ago, they did not. They instead waited almost to the last minute to deny it.

      Intentions change. Promises are Promises. This was never a promise. This was an option, one RT kept available to themselves for quite some time, but never once obligated themselves to do.

      RT is in this for the long game, so I'm also not concerned about immediate gratification being their intent either. The one thing RWBY has definitely improved on since Monty's death is realistic expectations. They are rightfully devoting resources to the show proper, and I support that decision 100% regardless of what I was hoping for.

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    • Do you guys think that Blake has more combat experience than Ruby since she traveled alone in her journey. Im in the mindset that she ran from most battles and only fought when necessary whilst keeping a low profile in towns. In Ruby's case she would likely have fought every gimm with team RNJR when traveling between towns as well as helping said towns with some grimm exterminations.

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    • It's hard to guess how much fighting they've comparatively done during the time skip. Ruby's definitely levelled up her game, for sure.

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