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    17:05, January 21, 2017

    The 6th Chapter of the RWBY manga is available in English at Remnant Scans wordpress blog.

    - We open with a narration about the two main races that inhabit Remnant: Humans and Faunus... interestingly, the narrator (I'm assuming it's Blake), says Faunus assumed they were being discriminated because of their animal traits, rather than state humans were discriminating faunus. - We also learn why the WF chose the name WF. - Blake looks... ODD in that cover. Something about her eyes, feels like a lifeless puppet. - The Spider Droid looks slightly different. I think I kinda like the change. - Adam's LEGSSS!!! Remind me of Bayonetta for some reason? - Extra dialogue! - Really, wtf is up with Blake's eyes? She looks like me when I take a mid-term.

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    • I was a little disappointed the past 2 chapters were pretty much an exact re-telling of the Black Trailer with very minor differences. I dunno, I was expecting a bit more backstory than what we got.

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    • Blake's ears when she unviels made her look like a rodent in my opinion. They're too curved around the sides for a cat.

      I also was not a fan of the parting dialogue. I got a distinct "I'm good while you're here, Blake" vibe from Adam, and then Blake suddenly goes "Yeah no, I'm outties". Like, they didn't even talk about it a little bit at the end.

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    • Fennec fox
      Blake's ears reminded me of a fennec fox.
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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:

      I also was not a fan of the parting dialogue. I got a distinct "I'm good while you're here, Blake" vibe from Adam, and then Blake suddenly goes "Yeah no, I'm outties". Like, they didn't even talk about it a little bit at the end.

      Manga Adam also wasn't like "Yay, let's kill all the crew members!", unlike trailer Adam... which makes Blake's parting seem to come out of nowhere.

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    • Yeah, really wish they'd gone more into Adam and Blake's relationship in the manga. It would've been a really good opportunity to. But instead we just got a re-tread of the Black Trailer.

      I imagine Miles and Kerry wanted to play their cards closer to their chest and use that material for the show itself.

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    • We did get a confirmaton that the 'discrimination' the Faunus face is purely something that they felt was happening. Like, it specifically says "Some Faunus have concluded that because of their animal parts they are being discriminated against."

      That says to me that the Faunus weren't really facing discrimination, a few 'do gooders' just decided they were and roused the other people. Then the Faunus started getting discriminated aginst because of their protests and the humans being like 'what the hell?'

      This sounds like the keyboard warriors from Tumblr, now that I think about it...

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    • Good god, I really hope that's not the case. That makes the Faunus and the entire White Fang plotline stupid.

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    • SpiritedDreaming wrote:

      This sounds like the keyboard warriors from Tumblr, now that I think about it...

      Lol, yes, that's what I was thinking...

      Well, a lot of people were saying the WF were basically SJW after the V3 finale.

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    • Don't you think that's kind of... unfortunate implications? It makes sense for the WF to be fighting real discrimination and then have gone too far. If the WF are just fighting because Faunus are whiney loser crybabies with a persecution complex, that makes the entire plotline irredeemably stupid and pointless.

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    • Yes, but it also makes them terribly actual.

      Sorry, I don't know the proper word.

      I'm fine with the WF plot turning to be about a bunch of crybabies and being actually commentary about Condensing Internet Keyboard Warriors if the Salem plot is big enough. Say, basically: WF plot = Real Life people who make up shit to be offended about while ignoring the Real Bad Things Happening aka Salem and the Grimm.

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    • Good god, I will stop watching if the WF = SJW / "there was no discrimination all along!" thing turns out to be true. That is a moronic message and plotline.

      I mean, really. This makes the Faunus literally stupid animals and the humans were 100% justified for trying to genocide them / keep them confined if the Faunus were stirring shit for no reason, since shit-stirring causes Grimm to gather. The WF-SDC "greynesss" is also taken out. It's black and white then, the WF are violent idiots and the SDC are making Dust so both species can survive.

      I'd also really be upset if the actual civil rights / discrimination narrative was inverted just to take pot-shots at SJWs. Discrimination and civil rights is an actual issue, SJWs are such a petty and small thing to make an entire plotline about.

      There's the fact that discrimination against minorities is a real issue, by inverting it and taking potshots at SJWs, they're also downplaying discrimination while painting those who fight against real discrimination (not perceived) as self-destructive morons.

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    • Well, a middle ground could be:

      In the past, humans were dicks to Faunus and because of this there are still places on Remnant where Faunus are the targets of discrimination (say, maybe, Atlas or some out of kingdom areas) but in most of the world, equality is already a pretty solid thing.

      Also, both in the past and in the present, there were times and places when humans got the short end of the stick and were treated like shit by Faunus. And maybe there are parts of the world where that still happens.

      The WF are then, actually, a bunch of crybabies with selective memory who pretend that the evil humans have always oppressed the poor helpless faunus... while ignoring the problems of the faunus who are actually suffering discrimination.

      Kind of how 3rd Wave Feminist complain about a non-existent wage gap and ignore countries where women can be legally killed for not covering their face. Or SJWs deny that every civilization ever has owned slaves of all skin tones.

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    • Why are we even talking about SJWs? SJWs shouldn't be part of the equation. If the WF plotline is going to be taken seriously at all, we shouldn't even be talking about them. They're utterly inconsequential to the issue of civil rights / discrimination, which is what the Faunus plotline should be about, not teenage keyboard warriors in the 21st century.

      What the WF plotline should be (and what everyone assumed it was until now):

      • The Faunus faced real discrimination, by which I mean they were persecuted, kept as slaves to mine Dust, shipped off to camps in Menagerie, etc.
      • They fought back in the Faunus War, won, and were promised equality by the humans.
      • After the Faunus War, the situation was better, but they were still discriminated against, shops didn't serve them, they were paid less, etc. The humans have literally not held up their side of the terms of the peace treaty signed at the end of the Faunus War – this means that fighting back is justified.
      • The WF rightfully fights against the injustice.
      • Adam or whoever takes over the WF and goes way too far, starts becoming violent and killing indiscriminately, causing the Grimm to gather strength and giving Salem more power.

      Why this is better:

      • It instils the idea that even if your cause is just, the means do not always justify the ends and it is possible to go too far, even in pursuit of a noble goal. This is a more complex and relevant message than "SJWs are dumb lol".
      • It makes the WF tragic villains who started off with a just cause, but went too far in pursuit of it... rather than stupid moron cartoon villains.
      • It avoids the very unfortunate implication that discrimination doesn't exist (which, even if that's not what they wanted to say, is exactly what they'd be saying if they made it out that the Faunus weren't actually persecuted).
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    • I agree the first option is better... but I wouldn't mind a version where humans and faunus have been being dicks to each other through history and the Faunus Rights Revolution, while justified and an actual ocassion of Faunus fighting against humans opressors, does not mean humans have always been the evilz attacking the poor innocent helpless faunus.

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    • Gastropod wrote:
      Good god, I will stop watching if the WF = SJW / "there was no discrimination all along!" thing turns out to be true. That is a moronic message and plotline.

      I mean, really. This makes the Faunus literally stupid animals and the humans were 100% justified for trying to genocide them / keep them confined if the Faunus were stirring shit for no reason, since shit-stirring causes Grimm to gather. The WF-SDC "greynesss" is also taken out. It's black and white then, the WF are violent idiots and the SDC are making Dust so both species can survive.

      I'd also really be upset if the actual civil rights / discrimination narrative was inverted just to take pot-shots at SJWs. Discrimination and civil rights is an actual issue, SJWs are such a petty and small thing to make an entire plotline about.

      There's the fact that discrimination against minorities is a real issue, by inverting it and taking potshots at SJWs, they're also downplaying discrimination while painting those who fight against real discrimination (not perceived) as self-destructive morons.

      If this is true, I will feel 100% disappointment with Miles and Kerry. They have officially f*cked up the Faunus/Human Racism narrative and made it more shitter than it needs to be. I really want to hope that they'll fix it somehow, but I really doubt it now. I think they dropped the narrative and gave up on the racism issues. 

      (It really breaks my heart, I respected RWBY because I thought they were going to address these real life issues and how they affect people and how we can face them. But now, Idk if I can respect them anymore. I don't think they'll take this Racism narrative seriously anymore and that they'll just ruin it for everyone. I refuse to watch it, if that's what they'll do. I can't believe it.It's stupid and it's a waste. What a disappointment.)

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    • Honestly I think everyone is grossly misinterpreting the manga, or it was a mistranslation by Remnant Scans. I will be utterly astounded if this was Miles/Kerry's intention.

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    • I really hope that is the case. I hope it's just a mistranslation that has taken a subtle nuance from the Japanese language the wrong way. It happens often when translating between Japanese and English, as Japan has a lot of nuances in certain words that don't translate into English very well at all.

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    • The wording of the translation is:

      However there are those that still harbor resentment against the other. Some Faunus have concluded that because of their "animal traits" they are being discriminated against.

      I mean, this doesn't mean the conclusion that they are being discriminated against was wrong. They might have reached the entirely correct conclusion based on the actual evidence (being refused service in stores, being wrongfully convicted of crimes, etc.).

      I'm not sure where the misunderstanding started, but to interpret that wording as meaning that the discrimination was nonexistent is wrong, I think. Semantically, it could mean that, of course, but with context we know it doesn't.

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    • Didn't Blake explain that the people they targeted were the ones who deserved it?

      Shops that refused to serve Faunus, companies that used Faunus labor, the corrupted and evil Schnee Family being their mortal enemies. Not to mention that the Faunus were going to be secluded in an island. A g*ddamn island! It's impossible for a conflict like that to have a smooth and perfectly peaceful aftermath.

      I'm 100% sure that the White Fang's crusade is justified.

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    • Yeah, it's ridiculous attempting to say that the Faunus aren't discriminated against. They haven't done the best job of presenting it on-screen (yet), but it's definitely there.

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    • Cloudssj43 here, Gastropod, that's about as close to the original as I could make it. The direct translation is "Now a peace is signed/agreed upon and there is coexistence in many cities and countries. However, there are still those that harbor resentment. Faunus concluded (concluded is an exact translation of the kanji) discrimination was due to their animal traits."

      I had to cut down due to the dialog box size constraints and added in some words just to make the sentence flow better. But the dialog was definitely "Fanus came to conclusion of x."

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    • Gastropod wrote:
      Yeah, it's ridiculous attempting to say that the Faunus aren't discriminated against. They haven't done the best job of presenting it on-screen (yet), but it's definitely there.

      If someone says there's a problem, yet there's no proof of said problem, nothing to show said problem exists, beyond the words of that someone and a few, very select, specific and questionable examples, is there a problem?

      I understand how dumb it could be if true, but that's pretty much what it's saying semantically, and based on what we know and have been shown, what it says sounds like the truth. Any sign of discrimination and racism present in current Remnant, are just remnants instead of the real deal.

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    • 104.255.9.84 wrote: Cloudssj43 here, Gastropod, that's about as close to the original as I could make it. The direct translation is "Now a peace is signed/agreed upon and there is coexistence in many cities and countries. However, there are still those that harbor resentment. Faunus concluded (concluded is an exact translation of the kanji) discrimination was due to their animal traits."

      I had to cut down due to the dialog box size constraints and added in some words just to make the sentence flow better. But the dialog was definitely "Fanus came to conclusion of x."

      Thanks for the clarification Cloud. Big fan of your work :P

      But yeah Japanese phrasing is weird, but I don't think it means the discrimination didn't exist. They could still have "come to the conclusion of x" based on actual evidence and x was the right conclusion.

      SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: I understand how dumb it could be if true, but that's pretty much what it's saying semantically, and based on what we know and have been shown, what it says sounds like the truth. Any sign of discrimination and racism present in current Remnant, are just remnants instead of the real deal.

      Yeah, the writers definitely need to do a better job of showing that the discrimination is real for the Faunus subplot to make a single iota of sense.

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    • Hell, they got a great excuse to show it for once. Be it in Vale, or the SDC HQ. Both places have good reasons to hate the WF, and by extension Faunus.

      They need to drop that fear they have, and show it to us already, truly show it, to avoid "misunderstandings" like this one.

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    • Yeah. I'd love it if Weiss encountered some real Faunus discrimination while at SDC HQ. Maybe she visits the Schnee quarry mines or something and gets a real wake-up call. It'd be a wake-up call for the audience, too.

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    • Or perhaps her dad says some bad things about Faunus like Weiss did in Vol.1, then she counters "they're not all like that", and she gets bad views from the others nearby because of it.

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    • Cloud here again, I realized today that one of translations I missed a nuance. White fang is written both phonetically and with Kanji. The line "I love the white fang" was used with kanji instead of phonetics. I think Blake wanted to imply the "unbloodied fang" with that instead of just the organization name. I have edited the page for those that want to check it again.

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    • I took her line then as meaning "I love the White Fang, the way they were before" which sort of has the same meaning as Blake saying "I love the unbloodied fang".

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    • Gastropod wrote: The wording of the translation is:
      However there are those that still harbor resentment against the other. Some Faunus have concluded that because of their "animal traits" they are being discriminated against.
      I mean, this doesn't mean the conclusion that they are being discriminated against was wrong. They might have reached the entirely correct conclusion based on the actual evidence (being refused service in stores, being wrongfully convicted of crimes, etc.).

      I'm not sure where the misunderstanding started, but to interpret that wording as meaning that the discrimination was nonexistent is wrong, I think. Semantically, it could mean that, of course, but with context we know it doesn't.

      It is true that a victim mentality can create a victim all on it's own, but that doesn't mean all of those with the mentality are not victims.

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