Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-24934890-20181008004211/@comment-25936766-20181017115203

Phantomlink959 wrote:

As a side note, aren't you the one who kept saying that Salem's exact plan and desires were spelled out by some of the songs? (Yeah, super late response, I just didn't bother to re-open up this thread till now)

Actually, I have never used the songs as evidence of anything. At most, only when also providing other evidence that is far more reasonable, and even then I really can't remember the time I included a song's lyrics alongside such a thing.

And yes, you're thinking of Soarel, the guy who is so damn obsessed with Cinder and so damn idiotic that he even told Casey that what Jeff told her about what All Things Must Die is about was wrong.

73.Anon.52 wrote:

UlrichSetera wrote: The point is they botched the ship by making both characters virtually worthless to the show, with Nora even lacking pretty much any characterization outside 'anime girl'........... I'm not really sure I understand what more you exactly want? Ren depends on Nora and Nora depends on Ren, they each have unique talents and temperament, neither is really important enough to waste much more focus on, so you want what? What Setera wants, is for Nora to stop being Sun. What Setera wants, is for Nora to actually have some character, motivation and depth that does not orbit entirely around Ren.

She's this energetic girl who talks like Stitch and is so mentally slow that some of the jokes are even based around how slow she is.

That's literally the only parts about Nora's character as a whole that have nothing to do with Ren. Everything else is based around how she's his childhood friend and how she loves him and wants to be together with him, platonically if not romantic. There's nothing about her beyond the basics of her personality that are not based entirely around Ren.