Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-25555436-20150613000756/@comment-25555436-20150613151349

Zolnir wrote:

- In my opinion it's not.....

- You seriously do not think I don't know......

- Let's put it this way. 999 Hours or Higurashi do exactly what you say putting the focus on.....

- No, you only said that it's a 'Harem genre with a clothing design....

Let me tell you something Live.... -Alright, so it's more like F/SN, cool. Maybe someone has made a version without the H-Scenes. Will look for it in my free time.

-Oh, so you meant the lack of creativity. Alright, now I see what you meant. My bad, sorry.

-Actually, those first 4 arcs do have certain details that could be used to find the mistery's answer. Most importantly, the motive of the murderer.

Now, which ending is "good" or "bad" is irrelevant (though I thought you meant "bad" in the VN sense, not in Quality sense), just up to opinion. The important thing is the theories born from those endings, even from both. Your issue seems to be related to the character development and how it carried out through these endings (or didn't, in the Reality ending).

Let's make a theory based on all we know, shall we? I'll begin with mine:

1)Kinzo and a woman named Beatrice Castiglioni fell in love, had sex and had a baby, Beatrice II.

2)Beatrice I died in childbirth. Kinzo went insane, delusion, and believed Beatrice II was the former reincarnated (the fact that she looks identical to her mother doesn't help). In his delusion, he raped her, giving birth to Yasu.

3)He gave Yasu to Natsuhi because she couldn't get an heir. But later she gave it to a servant, and after some frusfration and anger, pushed the servant off a cliff, ignorant of the baby. The baby barely surived, with great damage to it's sexual organs. The other servants covered the baby's survival and passed it off as an orphan so it could work as a servant.

4)Yasu had some psychological problems, thanks to being born of incest. This made it's frusfration worse regarding the fact that he had problems with his sexual identity. The result was the formation of the Personas Kano and Shannon.

5)Years before the game begins, Battler met Yasu/Shannon, and being japanese kids, made a marriage promise. Problem was, Battler later apparently forgot said promise, which hurt Yasu greatly. This contributed to the formation of a 3rd Persona, Beatrice, "Battler's ideal woman". All those moments were Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice spoke to each other? All psychological, Yasu was talking to himself.

6)What also contributed to Beatrice's appearance was the tale of the Golden Witch, Beatrice. Ever wondered why witches apparently were supposed to help others, be good and all that? That's what Yasu thought how a witch was, how they had to be.

7)During it's time in the mansion, he was bullied by the other servants, the girls you may know as the Seven Stakes from Purgatory. Which only fueled his tranquil rage. In fact, the Seven Stakes from Purgatory were based on those girls.

8)Eventually, Yasu had enough, and once the next reunion to decide who gets the heritance was announced, Yasu planned the murder. The idea was creative: The epitaths, and also the messages in the bottles which described those murders. However, he was not able to carry them out. Just like she planned.

9)One crucial point in this theory: Everything related to the witches, is symbolic (Yes, I reject your magic's involvement....or do I?). To a smaller point, the same with the servants. Why did they call themselves furniture? That's how Yasu felt regarding itself.

9.5) I'm sure you realize that Shanon, Kanon and Beatrice each has their own love interest. Yasu is just that desperate.

10)Yasu's plan was bound to fail, one way or another. Because Yasu wanted someone to go out and stop him (AKA: attention).

11)Now, Yasu was not the killer. Well, not everyone's killer. You see, when the murders began, Yasu was the one responsible. Killed them with a sawed-off shotgun, which is why the murders looked like they did. However, he didn't kill everyone.

12)Kyrie took advantage of this situation. She wanted to get the Ushiromiyas's hidden gold. As such, she started to murder the remaining people in a more accurate way for how the epitaths described the murders would be performed, such as the "Stab X and kill". Used the way people thought she was and her knowedge of the human mind to avoid suspicion. She wasn't alone however, Rudolf knew her plan and helped her.

13)Now, during this time, Battler realized what Yasu was doing, and tried to stop her. Meanwhile, Kyrie and Rudolf kept killing people.

14)Eventually both sides's stories came to an end. Battler stopped Yasu/Beatrice, and eventually the 2 of them escaped on boat after a small touchy scene. Just like in the magic ending, however, Yasu kills herself. Battler does the same so they die together.

15)Meanwhile, Eva survived Kyrie's slaughter and got a rifle. She murdered Rudolf and later killed Kyrie too. Then she escaped. By that time, she was the only survivor of the incident.

16)She raised Ange, as you know. She pretended to have been the murderer in front of Ange, so Ange would never know nor hate her mother nor her father. The abuse happened in the meantime because of the psychological frusfration of Eva caused by the incident.

17)Now, Battler and Beatrice died together....but Battler's Body did not. He somehow survived, but with amnesia. He fell in love with a woman, Ikuko Hachijo. Later, he found Yasu's messages in the bottles. This triggered some of his memories of the event. Which caused constant headaches, and eventually left him in a wheelchair.

18) He later chose to write a series of books based on that event. He first wrote them based on the message bottles, which were episodes 1 and 2, reason for why they are "Beatrice wins, everyone dies" and have the least amount of logic. However, they were not what really happened.

19)Later, "Tooya" Hachijo regained his memories of episodes 3, 4, 5 and 6. However, he became afraid of regaining his "Battler" identity. Battler died with Beatrice, and the man that survived was not Battler in mind nor spirit.

20)He wrote the books following his memories of eps 3-6, which is why they make more sense and are better written. Or to be more precise, his wife/love wrote them, he placed the scenarios.

21)Now, don't get me wrong with this. The Meta-World and witches do exist. The point is, they were not the murderers. Yasu's psychological issues caused the creation of Beatrice, Virgilia and through Beato, the Seven Stakes of Purgatory. Bernkastel and Lambdadelta do exist, as does Featherine and Eva-Beatrice, who was born from Eva's issues. Beato, Eva-Beatrice and Virgilia each represent a different thing:

Beato represents Battler's idea woman and Yasu's idea of how witches should be. Virgilia represents Kurasawa, who was one of the few servants that did treat Yasu well. Eva-Beatrice represents the "Eva is the killer" theories. Similarly, though with a more unknown cause of creation, there's "Black Battler", who represents the "Battler is the killer" theories. How can they exist in the Meta World? Well, imagination is strong there. And Yasu had plenty of it, though imagination is only responsible for Beato and Virgil.

However, their appearance in the episodes, is just symbolic when outside the Meta World. They did not have any direct intervention in the event, not even Eva-Beatrice.

22)Yes, Battler was trapped in a time loop. His mind, anyway. That's pretty much the only thing were witches did intervene, and it was only 1 witch who did: Featherine. Reason: Her own amusement.

23)We see Beato be nice to Maria. That's because Yasu feels sympathy for Maria. She didn't kill her, Kyrie did.

There, my theory. If you want to state yours, Beatrice, feel free to do so.

-Alright, I was wrong with the "Harem" part. But my point regarding the girls's clothing still stands. And as far as I can remember, I've only used the word "whore" to refer to said clothing design for Bald Sky's girls.

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Besides, trust me, I am cynical and got my reasons to be. But cynicism tends to piss off others, like you, so it's received as offensive, like if I was just a jerkass.