Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171123054740/@comment-24032889-20171127055415

If anything, this discussion is mostly pinning at the difference between what Ozpin has made and what civilization is, specifically if there is a big difference or if there is no difference at all. We know Oz's predecessor (or he himself?) made the schools. We know Salem controls the Grimm, which seek to destroy humanity through their fears of anything, which includes fear of the Grimm.

Soarel is saying that Cinder and Salem are not as evil as the wiki puts them because they are only going after Ozpin, not civilization. Soarel says Raven has a limited view of Ozpin, and Cinder and others may know more. However, other commenters note that the show has Salem controlling the Grimm that are attacking literally anything and everything they can sense the fear of. The Grimm are attacking all of civilization. By securing the relics and maidens and holding secrecy, Ozpin is protecting civilization and allowing it to flourish. The problem in this forum thread is... Soarel sees Ozpin's secrecy and says, "That means he is some level of a villain himself, and Cinder/Salem/WTCH are trying to undo him for that."

Point is, despite numerous attempts by the show to convey Ozpin as someone upholding humanity and Cinder, Salem and company trying to get at Humanity's supports and tear it down, Soarel latched onto certain things that, when taken to another level, are contrary to what the show has conveyed. Now, if some revelation happens that means the Relics are not supposed to be locked away and Ozpin is indeed a villain for locking them up, we will see Ozpin as a villain. But his secrecy does not mean Ozpin is a villain, and until anything like that happens, we as a wiki will not go in that direction.