Talk:Kuroyuri (episode)/@comment-2.220.76.31-20170130162348/@comment-90.208.185.218-20170206163745

Firstly, wow, rational, calm responces? This is certainly a pleasant change from the last time I commented something like this (on Pyrrha's page).

Regarding Amber, she fell into the 'female character is defeated and saved/protected by a man' thing.

ChishioKunrin - Ok, you do make a very good argument for Yang. I still feel the same - I feel it still falls into the Never A Self Made Woman trope, but from reading what you said, I feel she fits much less. I already feel the same as you do about Pyrrha, but it's still a frigding.

Omegafire17 -

1. Nora was clearly in distress - the monster was not going after anyone specifically, everyone was running away, but as a girl hiding from the monster, who is protected from it by another person, is an example of the damsel in distress trope, just not as obvious (another example that is not so obvious is the 'character is brainwashed and fights/attacks his/her loved ones' thing - the character still needs saving).

2. I am not saying there is anything wrong with a woman being a housewife (I'm not a feminist, after all), or married to a fighter, it is just that this particular gender dynamic, right down to the deaths, to me, is done so, so, so much and I am fed up of it.

I can again counter this with my own fiction.

In my story, one of my main character has a mother who is a fighter who settled down on a farm when she met her husband, and helps protect her home. Meanwhile, her father was (he's dead) a sickly man (weak immune system due to childhood meningitis - though the condition is little known in this universe), who mostly tended to their home. However, unlike so many mothers in this dynamic, I'm actually giving him a character outside of his wife and daughter. He has his own story that is told outside of being a father, despite dying hours before his daughter was born (due to the doctors focusing on his wife's labour, and him always downplaying his condition in fear of looking week).

Regarding the last paragraph, that is true, but the examples with Ruby and Ren's parent count as bad examples to me. The whole 'Pyrrha trains Jaune' to fight thing would have been a good inversion if her character did not revolved around Jaune. And when she was FINALLY getting her own character in volume 3, she was killed off. I know Monty planned it from the beginning, but it does not change what it is.