Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-36446807-20180803045826/@comment-4141313-20180805131504

73.Anon.52 wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

Sentry 616 wrote: I never got the implied threat of death as the price of failing Ozpin's group... Didn't need to be said. From what was said, Spring was afraid. What would she have to fear? Salem, the threat she posed, and the real truth to the world. What happen if she couldn't face her fear? She wouldn't be able to fight or defend herself. What would happen then? The Ozluminati just hide her away and protect her?...

Maiden powers are something both Ozpin and Salem need...

With recruiting Maiden's, the choice is simple: "Work with us or die." If they can't guarentee her loyalty, she'd risk being a malfactor or at worst, a defector to the enemy....

Spring ran away. She couldn't take it. What would have Ozpin reasonably done had she been captured before Raven found her?..

its quite possible if not likely that if the maiden was deemed a lost cause, for the sake of Remant they'd be killed and replaced with a possible more suitable candidate.

This is technically the circumstance of Amber... They had to let Amber die for the sake of Remnant. The process would have killed her afterall, ripping the other half of her soul out and putting it in Pyrrha.

Realistically, becoming a Maiden is the equivalent of no longer being considered human... 1. Except it does need to be said, there is something you need to keep in mind with regards to the previous spring maiden's relationship with Ozpin: It didn't exist directly, but rather through an intermediary who was at best a coward willing to betray her to Salem.

2. Except Ozpin doesn't need them, they are keys to doors he prefers be locked. The very legend of the story says he did just that; the Wizard gave the 4 girls his power to see what they would do.

3. Again this just isn't true, so long as he can make sure they don't get in trouble and track them, he really doesn't need them to know about the door, a locked door is useless if you can't find the key, but a key without knowledge of the doors existence is almost as harmless.

4. Sent her back to Leo, who would have given her to Salem... which was the entire problem.

5. While true, I don't think he would consider her for death just because she can't defend herself, the only "lost cause's" he'd likely kill would be maiden killers with malicious intent, for good reason too, as they are likely to unleash their powers on unsuspecting victims Ozpin would be responsible for keeping in the dark.

6. Amber was dead, she couldn't live much longer with a machine keeping her in something worse than a coma, the only thing transferring her soul to Pyrrha would have done is kill her faster, and tbh the only hope she might have had to live longer than a few days would have been if Oz could find and kill Cinder... which wasn't guaranteed.

7. Again, the story of the wizard and the maidens, kind of makes that not exactly mean what you seem to think it does... Oz made 4 humans gods just to see what they would do with the power... and you are asserting he would intentionally fuck with that experiment of free will for no reason.

The maidens are a 4 part distraction, keep Salem focused on finding them and she doesn't spend all her resources finding the static doorways, or Ozpin. The problem is that Salem managed to subvert that pointless search by flipping Leo to try finding both. 1. & 4. That's operating under the assumption that Leo was even working for Salem at that point in time. Spring ran off about a decade ago, and I don't think Leo was working for Salem for a decade. In addition, if he was, why didn't they start by attacking Haven instead of starting at Beacon? They could have done it before Spring ran, as they'd have the location of a weak maiden, the professor with the knowledge of a relic and its location, and a chance to fuck the world over a decade in advance.

2. & 3. The door isn't the issue. Its the fact megalomaniacal idiots want the powers of the Maiden's for themselves. Even if the 4 Seasons were meant to just be a distraction, you don't just leave them undefended. That's like locking a safety deposit box inside a safe, but making the key for both the same and then leaving said key on the counter in the lobby of the bank. Not to mention protecting the maidens is outright said to be one of their goals, as its not just Salem who would want them.

''Goodwitch: Our group was founded in order to protect both mankind and the Maidens. Those hungry for power hunted them with the hope of inheriting their strength.''

Qrow: (finishing his drink) And as you can imagine, the ones that succeeded weren't exactly the ones you'd want to have unimaginable power.

Considering Maiden's are virtual demigods, it would make more sense to both keep an eye on them and train them, or if they are already "lost" to the enemy, terminate them. I doubt Amber was self taught in using the powers of Fall afterall.

5. Its still a possibility. If she can't reasonably defend herself, they can't use all their resources to guard her 24/7, and if she isn't making progress in learning how too, then she could very easily be seen as not worth the effort and killed so they could try again.

6. It was never said how long Amber had to live. The reason they wanted Pyrrha to do the transfer was because that time span was an unknown factor and because of the risk posed by letting half the powers potentially find the other half. She wasn't dead, but she was slowly dying. The fact that Cinder shooting her caused her to gasp for air means before then, she was breathing still. Amber was dying, and they figured it was practical to assuredly keep away half of Fall from Cinder with a morally questionable method than to look for a better alternative or hope she wakes up.

7. A. That story is bullshit to begin with due to one thing: The Wizard's reasoning. The story says the Wizard gave them the powers so they would be able to share them with Remnant and help people. Except those powers just happen to be the very powers needed to open a specific set of doors holding artifacts of power, and everyone with an idea they exist and their mothers want them for themselves. Would be a pretty big lapse in judgement to not only give four random teenagers the powers of gods and not expect someone to want them themself, while also making these four nomadic sisters the keys to unlocking four gifts from the gods. Glynda herself even said they were hunted in the quote above.

7. B. This line I never said was Ozpin's belief, I was stating this from an objective standpoint. The maidens before Cinder and Raven don't seem to be treated as people, but objects. Note Qrow wanted to launch a raid of the Branwen tribe to get Spring, despite the fact that if she was there, she may not want to go with Qrow. Or how Amber they were readily willing to let die if it meant protecting the other half of the Fall powers. She was dying, but rather than hook up to life support that wouldn't easily fail and lock her comatose body away in a build different than the one with the relic in it to begin with, they were ready to let her die so they can transfer the power to Pyrrha. Its the powers people care about, not the souls they're bonded too.