Thread:GreyStark/@comment-28288412-20170506220152/@comment-27404492-20170508152910

First time in in a year and a half of being on this wiki and I finally understand when people say that their post vanished, thank God I saved some of it.

2. You're trying to suggest the swoon theory. That's an old one, and sadly a dead one. Jesus was stabbed in his right side. (The other two guys had tried legs broken, which would cause them to suffocate because they would be unable to pull themselves up to breath) According to accounts "blood and water flowed out" now you bleed why you're stabbed, that's pretty obvious, and theologians were baffled for centuries by the water part but with modern medical knowledge we know that after the beatings and whippings (plus the actual crucifixion itself) Jesus would have been in circulatory shock, which would cause fluid (that would look like water) to build up around the hear and lungs) so at the very least the stab  pierced Jesus' right lung and probably in his heart to boot. Then he was put in the tomb mesnt for Joseph of Arimathea by Joseph himself. Now Joseph was a member of the Jewish ruling council, so if the Jewish authorities want to debunk this part all the had to say was "hey, uh, Joseph was one of us, he didn't do it" the fact that they never disputed the claim that J of A did this supports the historical accuracy of it.

Now Jesus was stabbed in the right lung, probably in the heart, he'd been whipped to near death before hand, wrapped in a heavy burial shroud (I'm not talking about the shroud of Turin, that's a medieval fake). Now he was in that tomb from sunset on Friday to Sunday morning. Without medical attention, food or water. Plus Roman soldiers faced death themselves if they allowed someone who'd been sentenced to death to live, so they'd make extra sure that he was dead before they'd say he was dead. Now in the unlikely event that Jesus was alive when he was put in that tomb, he would have died during the night. And he certainly couldn't have pushed that two ton rock away.

As for the disciples stealing the body, I've already explained why that didn't happen. And why they didn't make it up. And as for the whole fake memories thing there's one problem. Fake memories about any event you to witness an event to get the ball rolling. As well as that fake memories about extremely significant events are created. A fake memory that gets rid of a significant event is what happens common I believe that your policewoman is an excellent example. Another example is that people who witnessed traumatic events either remember the whole thing or nothing. Significant events tend to be remembered to a high degree if accuracy. Especially if you lived in a culture that relied heavily on the oral tradition (Like the apostles in first century Palestine)

With regards to false memories at Fatima, people were claiming that this was a miracle the day it happened. (Bye bye false memory theory) and footage of the crowd at the time is consistent with what the witnesses accounts of that the crowd was doing. (Screaming in terror and confessing their sins mostly)