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@ Sentry: I think Ice would work since Cinder uses fire. If not ice, flat out water. Merc is so cocky he would never suspect that from his POV "stupid team RWBY" has what it takes to play mind games. So that would be how you get in his head. Em's hullucinations weren't working that well on Nikos in her match with Penny. So they can be resisted. All they need to do is double team her and stay sharp. I think Cinder is overrated. I don't doubt she's strong as a fighter and smart. But most of her wins come from people not knowing about her. Once they know her well, say after one or two more fights with her, they'll drop her no problem. They just need to get Merc and Em outta that way first. As for knowing thy enemy, RWBY team tries but they come at it like novices. They need to up their game. I hope Yang is back in full swing. Because most of team RWBY lacks raw power to quick dispatch Merc before he becomes a problem.

@ Maki: Cinder is unstable now. It's gotten personal. That's an advantage. She will likely focus on Ruby in a fight and if Merc and Em are KO'd early, the rest of RWBY can hit her from other sides. I know well from how well Weiss uses her glyphs that they will be a deciding factor in a fight with Cinder. They're one of the best semblances. And they come in so many different forms with lots of uses. They're built up this illusion that Cinder is unstoppable except via Deus ex Machina. But half of it is just she's an unknown. Once they fight her for a while they'll be able to really dig into her weaknesses. And everyone has those. Grimm being at her side en masse would be hard. But unless they only attack RWBY team, chances are they'll go after anyone around (townspeople). And while distracted they can be delt with. No, the decisive factor will be Merc, Em or Tyrian being around her. If they are, chances are RWBY team will have to end them first. I'd say bring CFVY or another team in to help but apparently no one is allowed to be a part of any future episodes except the people seen in Season 4. SMH So much wasted firepower.

I don't see Nerfed Cinder is a step down. She still has full elemental powers and Grimm and Merc and Em are her bodyguards. Her being not so hot this time would just make sense. It'd be showing that no one bats 1000. Not even fire divas. So it would be her turn to finally lose. Not die. Lose. She retreats, and we run it back again in volume 5 or 6 with her now having to have a sense of respect for team RWBY.