Thread:SpiritedDreaming/@comment-4141313-20191018025135/@comment-4141313-20191018033126

BlizzardDragon wrote: EmBELLEm wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

And you seem to ignore that its not even that he supports Salem, ..... Uh... he clearly supports her. he does whatever she wants, follows her plans, comes to their meeting. and they don't even get free dental. I meant he doesn't take pleasure in killing people and even tries to disuade them from fighting. Need I remind everyone he was willing to just talk with Sienna and Ren and Nora, but with Sienna Adam decided to be a dick and kill her in a power grab, and Ren and Nora refused to back down.

Hazel only kills if either their is no option, or his enemy is Ozpin.

If he wholeheartedly supported her, he'd go straight to killing rather than diplomacy, he'd have thrown Emerald and Mercury under the bus rather than try and say Haven was his fault despite knowing what lying does.

He's made no indication he actively supports Salem. He just does as he's asked, albeit reluctantly, and focuses mainly on Ozpin.

Glitchee123z wrote: Well, this oughta be good. *sips tea* Also, hi Blizzard!

Hey Glitchee. SpiritedDreaming wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

The only reason I hold umbridge is because from what I've seen, you are one of the most rational and sympathetic users on the wiki. So this seemed OOC coming from you. Oh no, I have a real problem with empathising with people who are completely illogical in their desire for revenge. Well, empathising with illogical people at all really. It's gotten me into trouble in the past in real life.

It's hellishly illogical to team up with the Super Big Bad just for some petty revenge against Ozpin. It's petty and stupid. Well no wonder I'm having issues understanding some of you. I used to act like that too until I eventually came to a realization. That realization being that humanity fucking sucks and most humans are slaves to their desires. Upon realizing that, I found it easier to empathize with people since I could see the reasoning behind their actions. I could understand their nature, and any Freudian Excuse's they have. The line however comes where the Excuse is outweighed by their sins. I will certainly condemn a character if I feel they've crossed the line. Every police procedural I've seen has had sympathetic origins to their criminals of the week, but only a few of them warrant sympathy from me. Because a lot of times, their Excuse doesn't justify everything they've done on screen.

Hazel however hasn't crossed the line to me, and his motives are understandable if not outright sympathetic me. I've heard many stories both real and fictional of people hating those they hold responsible for someones death, and with Hazel being the Fatalist, I can understand why he's like this. He's a full blown fatalist with no one left in his life. I've made the comparison before that his semblance combined with him choosing to "juice up" on dust makes him comparable to a drug user trying to get rid of his pain. He takes no pleasure in what he does and all he really wants to know is "Why". So I can feel for him.

But to me, Hazel, along with Emerald and Mercury, are the only villains that have yet to cross the line. Maybe Neo too. Hazel has only killed off-screen and they were nameless mooks. The closest character of importance was Heather Shield, but again, barely a character so it doesn't bother me. Had he done something severe like kill Nora or Ren, then I'd be more likely to see him as a raging beast need to be put down. But at this point, all I see from him is a broken man, someone whose only meaning left in life is the drive to avenge the one person he cared for and lost.