Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180105193053/@comment-34633327-20180108160527

2001:8A0:D22D:9C01:B176:923C:A7D5:C341 wrote: 1. It's his sister. The story wouldn't have been much worse if it had been Hazel's daughter, so no reason for Oz to lie about that.

2. Actually, Qrow was the one who said they accepted the power and honestly, Raven uses it a lot. It's just she has seems to have used it a lot more than Qrow, and seen a lot more because of it and that changed how she saw the world.

3. Nevertheless, it's like I said: Hazel accepted to be part in a plan that leads to several deaths. There's no backstory that can justify it. Even if Ozpin had tortured and killed his sister or even his daughter, it still wouldn't justify it, since Hazel has accepted to be on Salem's team with possibly millions dying just because of 1 man.

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4. I don't want RWBY to have 1 more character that they won't develop - if I wanted that I'd watch Bleach again - there are gazillion characters there, the overwhelming majority completely 1 dimensional. RT should stick to teams RWBY, JNR, TRQ and Oscar/Ozpin - those are already a lot of characters 1. Actually, it does get affected by what the story really is about. If "She" didn't actually die in a training mission, but died due to her being another person Ozpin took interest in much like he did Ruby, then the blame can be seen to be Ozpin's fault in that he got her involved in all this just to be Salem, and fucked up royally. If "she" was his daughter, the anger Hazel has is a lot easier to understand, as I doubt any father wants to learn his daughter is dead, and then wouldn't go for the neck of the man responsible. Then there is how old he was when this happened. Ozpin says it was his younger sister, and if Hazel is telling the truth and not exaggerating when he says "she" was a child, then we can assume she would be around Ruby's age (Any Younger and I automatically hate Ozpin for involving a Pre-Teen in shit like this), how old was Hazel around that time? Was he only a year older than her? Twice her age? Her twin? (Seeing as how Qrow and Raven are twins yet Raven claims to be the "older" twin) And did he have any other family afterwards? Or was she all he had left? How much has Salem manipulated him? Did anyone offer condolensces for when she died? There are too many factors to consider.

As for why he would lie about it to Oscar, he has '''every reason to lie. '''Oscar, unlike most of the others, does not have blind loyalty to Ozpin, and actually questions Ozpin on things, especially considering Ozpin lives in his damn head. If Ozpin told Oscar the truth in the middle of a battle, it could easily divert Oscar's attention, it could make him angry that Ozpin would do such a thing, or he could sympathize with Hazel. So, what is the solution? Tell a version of the story that makes Hazel come across as acting heavily disproportionate to what happened, so that Oscar instead sees him as someone who can't be reasoned with and gets Oscar to switch control with Ozpin. Remember, after hijacking Oscar, Ozpin ended up beating the metaphorical crap of Hazel with swift strikes, and was going for one more big hit when Hazel was seemingly already down, only failing when Hazel did his "Thunder Quake" (Hitting the ground hard). It came across as Ozpin getting ready to '''finish Hazel off. '''

2. Notice the fact though Ozpin never contradicted him on him the story, which again, already reeks of B.S. For what reason would Raven willingly accept a power she claims was forced on her? For what reason would she let Yang go and ask about it if she knew the real answer would make her look worse (Although it was an abyssmal attempt, she still did want Yang to stay, but didn't put up a fight when Yang chose to leave). And again, Qrow was the one who came up with the answer first. Why couldn't Ozpin speak for himself about it? Simple, since it was Yang asking about it, naturally, only an answer from Qrow, another of the seeming "victims" would placate her.

3. That is incorrect. A backstory can justify it, so long as it makes sense. Say for example, Hazel was only working with them in an "Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" deal, but was undermining their efforts in secret. That is a justifiable backstory and method. Or say Salem has him so indoctrinated, he believes she is actually trying to save Remnant from the "Evil" that is Ozpin, again, indoctrination is a justifiable backstory. Hell, even the idea that Hazel is doing all this a long method of Suicide + Revenge is a justifiable backstory, in showing just how broken he is. Some people are unable to function in real life when a loved one dies. We even heard of it before. When Summer died, Taiyang shut down, and Yang had to take care of Ruby. And while Tai picked himself back up and kept pushing on, Hazel went down the opposite path and is drowning in sorrow (Hypothetically), and why drown alone when you can pull the man responsible down with you.

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1> That ship has already sailed, we have alot of characters, and even if it hadn't, there are others they are going to undoubtedly focus on that you didn't mention, such as Sun, Ilia, Ghira, Kali, the Villains, Ironwood, etc.

2> Bleach may have had loads of characters, but most of them were secondary supporting at best. The only Supporting Protagonists (The antagonists didn't get as much focus) with Recurring Importance outside of the main 5 (Ichigo, Orihime, Sado, Uryu, and Rukia) were: Renji, Byakuya, Hitsuguya, Matsumoto, Zaraki, Madarame, Yumichika, Mayuri, Kyoraku, Ukitake, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, and Shinji. And none of them came across as One Dimensional. 14 characters, in rotation, meaning we didn't have to deal with them all at once. Conversly, for RWBY, if you don't consider JNR to be Main Cast, you have: Jaune, Nora, Ren, Qrow, Raven, Ozpin, Oscar, Sun, Ilia, Ghira, Kali, Cinder, Emerald, Mercury, Salem, Hazel, and Adam. 17 Characters, with most now being in the same plotline and very little rotation.

Besides, sometimes a larger cast is necessary. An ensemble cast allows numerous perspectives to be seen, the differing styles and beliefs. With Remnant having Four Kingdoms, all of different behavioral enviroments. And of course, there is the matter of different casts per location. I doubt Ghira, Kali, and the Menagerie forces will be going to Vacuo or Atlas, so they'll obviously stay behind when the Haven arc is over, provided Haven is left standing. And the Villains will obviously return to the Dragon Continent, so the core cast will then be split into two focuses, one on the villains, and the other on RWBY, JNR, QR (Assuming Raven joins them), Sun, Ilia (Assuming she sticks around and doesn't stay in Haven), and Ozcar. They alone will not be enough in say, Atlas, where Ironwood is so damn Paranoid he's become the Inverse Trump. They need allies to fight a war, and this is indeed a war.

3> And finally, *ahem* 'Vernal is not actually dead. 'The wound she got from Cinder was in the damn Abdomen. A wound like that is not lethal on its own. And seeing as Cinder's claw is still in said wound, the blood is not being lost at the moment. Cinder doesn't seem to have moved the claw, so there isn't too much internal damaging from just moving it, and since Vernal wasn't a Maiden, Cinder didn't steal her soul. Even if Cinder takes her claw out, the only risk for Vernal is blood lose, which is slightly reduced with her laying on her back, slowing down the blood loss. And considering Raven can just warp away to where her brother and daughter are, she can grab Vernal and run out of here, after she finishes kicking Cinder's ass! The only reason Vernal let go of Cinder's arm is because the pain was too much and she went into shock, and lost the energy to fight back! If Vernal dies from this injury alone and not the blood loss, than Miles and Kerry know nothing of basic anatomy!

Besides, I actually like Vernal, her weaponry, and the dynamic she could provide by being with the heroes (Weiss having to work alongside her former tormentor, Yang meeting the woman Raven treats more like a daughter than her own daughter, Qrow meeting someone he used to be like not named Raven). Her role is not over yet, her role is not just tricking Salem, it's being Raven's morality pet. Vernal appears to be the most important person to Raven among the tribe, so without her,  yes, Raven could join the heroes, but she could just as easily go off the deep end, blaming the fact the Maiden's even exist and cursing her with this power for Vernal's death. It's a coin toss right now, but it becomes more in favor of the heroes if Vernal lives. Besides, JNR is in need of a fourth team member. Oscar won't be it since he has to deal with Ozpin and is ultimately the leader in training for their group. Ilia wouldn't be it since we only know she is back with Blake, not if she still has resentment for humans, which she probably does (Resentment doesn't go away over night, unless Miles and Kerry pull the "Crappy Writer" card), and as much as Sun neglects them, he has his own team (Which is a factor in and of itself to consider if they choose to come back into the plot). So Vernal could fill that empty spot. We don't even know her real name, so she very well could have a "P" in it.