Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180120015359/@comment-34633327-20180121042021

128.62.68.159 wrote: You guys may complain that the heroes didn't win without help from others, but that was the point. Only with unity, with help, can humanity prevail, and if they don't ask for help, then Ozpin's forces will lose. That's not my complaint. My complaint is that without that help, which they had no way of knowing would come, they would have lost.

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Let's look at the situation before Blake and the Militia showed up. Weiss was still injured and being healed by Jaune, Ren, Qrow, and Ozcar were exhausted, Nora had just knocked Hazel out the wall, and Ruby and Yang were preoccupied with Emerald and Mercury.

Had Blake not shown up, Hazel would have charged back into the fight, meaning only Nora could have fought him off. And as we saw, even with the Lancer Summon, super charged Nora, and later Blake, Hazel still wouldn't go down. So, had he charged straight back in before Weiss brought out the Lancer, Nora would all thats able to face him at first.

Yang only managed to get to the vault because Blake coming in distracted Emerald and Mercury, and Emerald, in an emotionally unstable state due to the cops showing up and Cinder still not being back, tried to tackle her, and Yang jettisoned her arm when Mercury grabbed it. They didn't follow after because Weiss erected an Ice Wall to stop them. Had Blake not come in, Yang would have either not had the chance to do so, or she would but Emerald and Mercury would follow her, as Jaune and Weiss wouldn't be able to take advantage of the distraction to supercharge Weiss. Meaning Raven could have grabbed the relic and ran.

Blake showing up with Ilia is what stopped the bombs from going off. Had they not shown up, Adam could have detonated the bombs as he pleased, destroying Haven Tower, and a lot of the Academy with it.

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Their victory was only possible because of an event that they had no way of knowing would happen, happened. You can't just assume a miracle will happen, you have to enter a fight prepared. Yes, the fight was impromptu because of Leo's obvious trap, but they had been training their skills hadn't they? The fact they still couldn't really win until something they had no way of knowing about happened, shows they aren't strong enough yet. They only won due to interferrence from outside variables.

You can't say "But they won in the end, so it shouldn't matter", or "Of course they only won with help, you need to have help to win", because they had no idea that help would come. If Blake never showed up, they would be dead now. You can't rely on miracles to help you win. They were woefully unprepared and too weak to fight the enemy they spent a month training for. Let's so they enter the next fight, but they get their asses handed to them. What are they gonna do? Wait for another unexpected arrival from a friend to bail their asses out of this mess? That's dumb. The victory alone doesn't matter, it's how they won that matters. They didn't win on their own. They won because of a freaking miracle. And Miracles can't be relied on.