Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28171999-20190208002539/@comment-27082610-20190301165110

BlizzardDragon wrote: A pyrrhic victory is still only a victory in the technical sense though. And you can't call Beacon a victory either since it still fell. And Cinder being maimed wasn't a big blow to their plans, and freezing the Wyvern just made it a Grimm magnet. So Beacon was anything but a victory.

And they didn't win Haven. Had Raven lost to Cinder, Cinder would have gotten the relic, and the heroes would have lost. They only "won" by virtue of another enemy taking care of their main enemy.

Closest you can call a victory is Argus, and even then that was something miniscule in comparison. That's because Raven was never actually an enemy, merely a third party. You can't even realistically call her an antagonist.