Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180105193053/@comment-34633327-20180108212510

2001:8A0:D22D:9C01:B176:923C:A7D5:C341 wrote: KingFubuki92 wrote: A) I suppose Ozpin could have lied....

B) Oscar did sympathize with Hazel.....

C) Finally......

D) Like I said.........

      E ) Honestly.....

         F)

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Okay, since you don't like too long answers, I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

A) Yeah, they can be protective, but a Father being angry over his daughter is arguably more understandable than a sibling being mad at another sibling for dying based on a decision they made.

B) ..... Really? Maybe I misphrased it, but the point was he told it like that in the hopes it would prevent Oscar from sympathizing. I never said he succeeded. If he told the father variation, than Oscar may have sympathized with Hazel even more, and wouldn't even bother trying to fight anymore.

C) Nowhere is it said Hazel can't be stopped. Qrow lost because he took the strike for Oscar, not because he was beaten in battle. The fact that Ozpin could hold up against him while inside Oscar's body that hasn't fully adjusted yet shows that Hazel isn't as strong as Ozpin's old body.

D) It's called despair. A man with nothing left to live for is considered one of the most dangerous foes, for having nothing left to live for, means he has nothing left to lose. Hazel is broken, and he wants to kill the one who broke him. We don't know if he supports Salem's goal or not, but in response to the people he killed, I'll use the same response Oscar told Hazel: They were huntsmen. Dying is apart of the job. Difference between them and his sister, they were actual huntsmen, she was a child. They were ready to die, she was just training.

E) I'm not grasping at straws. You are taking whatever Ozpin and Qrow say as fact though. When there is nothing to say it is. This is a he said she said argument, and you believe Ozpin and Qrow. Before this episode, I did too. But after he overrided Oscar when he made clear he couldn't, I began having doubts, and on reconsideration, find more weight in Raven's claim. Qrow is blind in my opinion.

F)

1> I listed the villains because we see their perspectives. This series shifts focus repeatedly, and the villains are one of them. Some series don't go as far to show the villains training, having doubts, forming counterplans to heroes plans. They are just Villains. These villains however come across as just as much supporting cast as the actual supporting cast.

2> You're mistaken. I never complained about Orihime, that was ChishioKunrin. I like Orihime, but can understand those who don't. I will deny the claim she is a Mary Sue however, since nowadays no one seems to know what the fuck that term really means. She is not perfect in everything, everyone doesn't love her, she is not the most important character in the series, she is not best there is.

And yes, characters need to be developed if they expect us to give a damn when their lives are on the line. Just look at Scarlet and Sage. Most people forgot those two even existed for the longest time. Yet they are allies. Do you think anyone will care if they die though? And no, Tai is not a supporting cast member. They didn't even bother to give him a model until the finale of Volume 3. He is a minor character. What could he provide to the narrative aside from being Yang and Ruby's dad, and Raven's ex? He has never been one, and it isn't necessary to make him one.

3> Except her death would add nothing to the narrative. A character death should only occur if it provides for the narrative, or provides for character motivation. What would Vernal dying add? Just having Raven suffer. And no, it wouldn't add Raven joining the heroes, since she can just as easily do that if Vernal lives. Jaune has already closed Weiss' wounds, so soon Weiss will be better, he's just restoring her aura right now. It wouldn't take much for him to heal Vernal too. Yang and Raven currently have no relationship, Yang hates Raven, Raven is apathetic to Yang. So, without a bridge to connect the two, they won't be reconciling reasonably. And Qrow is not that bridge, seeing as currently he hates his twins guts. Raven can not fufill the role of Weiss' tormentor, considering they only saw each other for about 30 seconds before Weiss showed up. Vernal, conversely, not only tried to verbally break down Weiss, actually fought her and put her into the position to get stabbed. And no, Qrow and Raven would not work better. Again, Qrow currently hates Raven's guts, and their positions are radically different. One is the Queen of the Bandits, the Other is the aide of the Great Wizard. Vernal and Qrow would work better because she is who Qrow used to be. Devoted to a band of thieves and killers, skilled fighters that were brought into a conflict much bigger than themselves that hold a sense of duty towards their family. The difference between Vernal and Raven? Raven embraced the Bandit Lifestyle, Vernal only knows said lifestyle. She is who Qrow was before meeting Ozpin.