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Wilfred J. Pemberley wrote: Honestly, I'm sick of people using Vader as some sort of symbol of redemption. He wasn't redeemed. He was betrayed by his master, who then tried to kill his son in a fit of rage. Killing the emperor doesn't redeem him, mainly because any sane rational person (good or bad) would have done exactly what he did in that scenario. I just don't see how that act changes anything, and it's one of the main problems I have with the movie. Just my opinion. I feel you don't get what that scene is about. Luke is initially acting out in a fit of rage and about to kill Vader. However, Luke resists the temptation to give in to his hatred and desire for revenge. Despite everything he has done, Luke showed mercy to his father, who had not been showing the same. When the Emperor tries to kill Luke instead, Vader acts out of love to save his son.

While the family dynamic does change the comparison a little, that is an example of how it is done. Vader did not start out being portrayed like a decent person and viewers knew nothing of his true background until right at the end of Empire. Yet, even in his own twisted way, he showed an element of goodness in his apparent love for his son. At this point, we still know nothing about Cinder and her motivations or what she knows of Salem's intentions.