Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181116204649/@comment-25936766-20181120160454

Saw the ep. Wasn't too motivated to watch this one, and after watching it I feel even less motivated to watch the next one. It's 12 mins + opening, but most of the screentime is dedicated to the villains, and overall the plot progression is minimal.

I didn't mind them spending a whole ep on Ozpin's tale, since it was a long tale and at least had a good amount of interesting stuff...but this episode suffers the same problem many Vol.5 episodes have: 12+ minutes of screentime, but hardly any plot progression and no real interesting bits to spice things up.

I mean, we can summarize this episode as: "Ozpin locked himself in Oscar's mental woe corner; Team MEH reports to Salem about Haven, she's mad; Heroes find a town in the middle of nowhere".

And, that's it. That's all that happens in this episode. And the only part where the plot actually moves forward is the last 2-so minutes. The scene with the villains takes too long for what it's supposed to do.

In terms of character development? Qrow isn't Ozpin's "Yes" man anymore.....and that's it. Tyrian's the same, Hazel is the same, Merc and Em are the same, RWBY is the same, everyone else is the same. The only difference is that now the mood's kind of low for everyone.

It overall feels like a waste of time. You could skip all the way to the last segment of the episode and would miss about 1 or 2 important things, depending on how important it is that Ozpin is now in fetal position and crying to himself in Oscar's head.

On a more specific level, Qrow is sad, Yang is getting annoying, Maria is awesome, they need to improve the "angry faces", and they left out 1 question (which hopefully will be brought up at some point).

1) Qrow's line to Oz about how meeting him was "the worst luck of his life". All because....Salem is unkillable and Ozpin is a victim of circumstance? What is Qrow whining about with that line?

What even was the alternative, anyway. He doesn't meet Ozpin and join him, then what would he do? Become a drunk wanderer without purpose? Join Raven in killing innocents for fun and profit? Or just sit and do nothing until Salem comes and kills everyone?

Sure, Ozpin having no plan at all after so long is idiotic beyond belief, but I really wouldn't say working for him is the worst thing that has happened to Qrow. It ultimately made Qrow a better person, and regardless of what one thinks of Ozpin, would you just sit down and wait to die without even trying?

2) Yang's really getting irritating. She continues with the whole whining and criticizing of Ozpin, in other words she's still in Jaune 2.0. mode and it's getting more and more unbearable. "Salem can't be destroyed? YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE OZ AND I HOPE YOU DIE YOU BASTARD".

Seriously, it's just plain stupid and increasingly hard to support when you consider 2 simple facts:

1>She hates Ozpin because....her liar mother told her "Green Man Bad" without giving any real reasons, plus telling her "Question EVERYTHING", which she took way too much to heart. And because giving powers with 0 consequences to his allies is a Moral Event Horizon, apparently.

The most reasonable reason she had for hating Ozpin was that he kept things to himself, and at least once information that shouldn't have been kept secret, but even then, her attitude towards him feels disproportionate.

2>Let's not forget (like I did back in Ep2 :c ) that Yang loves to whine to Ozpin about "NO HALF TRUTHS"....and yet she hasn't told anyone that Raven is the Spring Maiden, and still alive. I wanna see everyone's reaction when she reveals that tiny little detail she just happened to keep to herself for no real reason.

Seriously, if they wanted someone to be the resident "Ozpin sucks ass!" guy, they should've left Jaune with them. Unlike Yang, he doesn't hate Oz because a very untrustworty parent-that-was-never-there told him to, he hates Oz because he indirectly led Pyrrha to commit Suicide by Maiden, on top of the whole "secrets" thing he can share with Yang. Far more reasonable.

3) Of course all that leads to why Maria is just awesome. Because she's the only one with a brain in the whole group, pointing out how they can't just be unleashing so much negativity in the cold middle of nowhere, especially when they already have a Grimm Attractor in the Relic.

And as the cherry on top, when Yang keeps whining and complaining, she just shuts her up with "don't you have anything better to do?". Because seriously, nearly-all of Yang's lines since the last third of V6E1 have been whining and complaining.

4) The angry faces bit....when we hear the characters, mainly Yang and Qrow yelling at Ozpin, we hear a lot of anger and rage, an excellent display of emotion....but then we see their faces and, they don't look that angry. In fact, they barely open their mouth. You hear this big angry scream, but you see more of a growling dog.

Or to put it in simple words: They sound furious, but look just mad. The only one with a face that actually reflects their anger is Salem....but in her case whenever she shows her "REEEE" face, she looks like Isaac from The Binding of Isaac because of how her eyes look, which ruins the effect.

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On the bright side, I got some nice pics. The good thing about Tyrian being back is that his meme faces are back with him. And Qrow punching Ozpin was funny.