Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190720171153

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: Wilfred J. Pemberley wrote: ... With that said, you'd have to be in serious denial to think that this was anything other than Cinder trying to torment Jaune, and you'd be in even further denial if you thought she did that for any reason other than the fact that she's a sadist. … but the only thing that really made sense is her going after Weiss in the moment. Jaune really pissed her off by striking a blow against her and so she lashed out against the person in the room able to fight at that moment that he clearly cared most about in the group to spite him. Saying this is "sadism" and proof that she "enjoys killing" is a bit much. It was a pragmatic approach to revenge.

... You could even argue that her desire for revenge in both cases really just comes back to wanting power... It isn't about enjoying killing, but getting revenge on people who injured her and made her feel powerless. I fail to see how that assertion helps your case, a hard-on for perceived vengeance is not a redeemable trait, even the most well known dick of an avenger, Sasuke in Naruto, was only redeemed after attaining the vengeance he sought and found it hollow the first time, after Itachi died he didn't really seek vengeance as much as forcing fair play by destroying the ones responsible for slighting him, but to even try that he had to surpass Naruto, and found that while they could kill each other it would accomplish nothing.

Cinder doesn't have a specific target to kill and learn these lessons from, she kills the ones who ruined her life then turns on the waiter that served her drinks a minute too slow, she isn't just some avenger, she is a monster whose "vengeance" is unfocused.

Lord Jaric wrote:

Pretty sure The Devil's Advocate WP wasn't defending Cinder. Just pointing out her reason's for her own actions. DA's entire argument is that she's redeemable, that's a defensive position.