Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27143816-20160216033644/@comment-14909251-20160418183214

Crownrock wrote: Wait, I thought the soul returning to the body and bringing the aura healing powers with it was what revived the body... The body that was already mortally injured before being shot through the heart with an arrow. So something else revived the corpse that was trapped alone under the school at the exact same time that Pyrrha was killed, drawing both souls back into the body? Was someone hiding in the basement performing the most impressive CPR ever?

Was it Zwei? It was Zwei, wasn't it? I was very clear from the beginning that the idea would be she gets resuscitated by the machines. There wouldn't be some need for a soul to return to a corpse, just keeping the body alive long enough i.e. a few minutes, so that when Pyrrha's body is incinerated Amber's soul returns her now living body. She is then fully revived. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Pyrrha rode in the elevator car when she went up the shaft the first time. And it was clearly taxing. Now the car is gone, so what does she manipulate to get up the shaft this time? Are those sparse bandages that she's dress in made of ferrous metal?

There is a whole lot of metal around. Do we have any reason to Believe Pyrrha's Semblance didn't allow her to levitate metal while she was standing on it? Pretty basic trick to use when you have power over magnetism. Any detached metal surface that could fit a person would suffice.

You act as if it's unreasonable to suggest that an armed, experienced, and highly skilled huntsman would have an easier time dealing with hoards of Grimm than an unarmed, half-naked, disoriented huntress who's trying to make sense of her dual personalities and dealing with the trauma of having just died. Twice. But they have the power of two.

What I am saying isn't ground-breaking in the slightest. I am allowing that the serious disorientation would occur after the instinctual need to escape and survive abated and that it is inherently easier to escape alone from that area with no time limit then to get into the area and leave carrying a teenage girl. Put it simply, if Grow were already at Ruby's side, would it not be easier for him to just escape than to get there first and escape? Same reasoning applies.

Arkantos95 wrote: Okay, let's just break this down, shall we?

1) I'm certain about this aspect of this universe's reality because we have been shown absolutely nothing to the contrary. From everything we've been told by the show, by the lore, by the creators, it would seem that death actually has meaning in this world, so resurrection by any means is probably one of the most outlandish "theories" I've ever heard.

We have not been shown this exact kind of situation either. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp. The fact the whole soul transfer thing is unprecedented means you can't reasonably go with "What we've seen so far suggests this isn't possible" as the effects of the soul transfer are explicitly noted as unknowable due to it being unprecedented in-universe.

2) It is still a big if because we saw the light of Amber's aura be drained away from Pyrrha, down the tubes, and added to the bolt of energy that was drawn into Cinder's body.

I am pretty sure the light is meant to signify her Maiden powers being transferred, not the soul itself as we have no reason to believe Amber's soul was transferred to Cinder. There was never any suggestion that the soul of the Maiden goes into the next Maiden, just that the powers are passed on to the last person they thought about.

3) We have no reason to believe her body was revived. Amber was literally actively dying even with the life support she was hooked up to. Its sole purpose was to slow the process enough that her abilities would be transferred. A body that was already on the verge of death could not withstand the shock of the arrow wound she recieved, never mind the major organ damage.

No doubt she died, but there is no reason to believe the medical equipment could not resuscitate her. It actually makes more sense for it to be capable of resuscitating her body as they would want to take every measure possible to insure her powers did not transfer to Cinder. They would not know if reviving her from temporary death would prevent the powers from leaving, so they would probably want that to be possible. Incidentally, if you look at the wound she took, it does allow more room for her to be revived.

Despite what some have been saying the arrow does not appear to have hit her in the exact center of her chest. Unless human anatomy in Remnant is different or Amber has some sort of condition, then the positioning of the arrow on the right side of her body would mean it did not strike her heart.

It could have hit her right lung, as the positioning is not that clear and I'm not exactly an expert on anatomy to pinpoint it so precisely, but provided her anatomy is the same as human anatomy in our world then it is most likely the case that it did not pierce her heart at all. Had it not hit any major organs at all then it would seem the immediate cause of death would be shock and that is certainly much more reversible then a shot to the heart.

5) Why do you assume the two of them would have perfect cognizance AFTER FUCKING DYING? Do you seriously think that that level of trauma wouldn't affect them at all beyond "desire to complete a mission?" And another thing on this one, do you actually think Amber has any idea what the hell is going on here? She's been in a coma for months, and her last coherent exprerience was unimaginable pain. She's going to be dealing with a lot more "mental anguish" than you seem to be assuming. Let's not act as if she is going to wake up surrounded by Grimm. That vault is deep underground and presumably not an immediate target for the Grimm. She/they would have a little time to compose herself/themselves. If we allow early on that Pyrrha would still be present, then she would know the score and essentially keep Amber focused on surviving. Perhaps Pyrrha's remark about destiny was with the knowledge that their souls had joined the same body and that she sensed, perhaps due to a soul-body connection, that Amber's body had been revived. Hence, she knew or realized what would be happening and was not shocked or disoriented.

6) Do you not get what Semblances are? If their souls are fused, it's become a new one. One with its own locked aura and undiscovered Semblance. If it's two, why would Pyrrha's be the dominant one? And like Crown said, what the hell is Pyrrha supposed to lift herself up with? We don't know how it works. Not even the people in-universe know how it would work. It may be that Ambyrrha would have two Semblances given the whole two souls thing and that they wouldn't be fused so much as blended.

7) This is all you merely insisting that a couple of people who died would be completely unaffected by it and be able to act at maximmum capacity, even with what would be an incoherent jumble of memories and training swirling around their head. Let's face it, Pyrrha and Amber may have been badasses, but in all other fiction resurection is a disorienting process for one person, let alone two people who got fused into the same soul. I am not assuming they would be at maximum capacity. At maximum capacity it wouldn't even be a question of whether escape would be possible. Pyrrha and Amber in one body totally in sync and at maximum capacity would just barrel right on through with ease. My assumption is that there would be some level of impairment or confusion, but not so much that they can't stay focused on surviving long enough to escape.

What the hell do you mean "nothing that warrants the dire opinions"? Beacon would have been abandoned by the time Ambyrrha crawled out of that pit on her own, and she would be at the epicenter of an ever-increasing horde of Grimm large enough to drive off the Hunters who called it home. You're telling me that one person without Maiden abilties, could, while unarmed, disroiented, and probably no small measure of freaking out, fight her way through the things that would be homing in on her like ugly on a warthog? I am saying the Grimm have to this point have proved pretty underwhelming with the exception of the Grimm dragon. We all have felt this way I imagine at some point since the end of Volume 2. Grimm that seemed unstoppable when fighting inexperienced freshmen in Volume One were basically curb-stomped at the end of Volume 2 by experienced sophomores. Obviously, it isn't safe to be living and sleeping at Beacon as if there aren't hordes of Grimm around, but everything we have seen suggests the real impediment is that there is no end to them. As to the last part, we again don't know if the Grimm might be in a state of confusion and disarray in the immediate aftermath of Ruby letting loose her special eyes.

8) You sure as hell act like you're attatched to it given the fact that you're the only person still arguing it. Honestly, you're almost as bad as that Kirito loser.

I enjoy the speculative discussion provided it is civil and reasonable. Hell, that's the purpose for this thread and section of the forums after all. We are here to speculate and I enjoy speculating. Now, I do think Ambyrrha would be kind of cool and it would mean all that foreshadowing about the soul transfer would actually serve as something other than filler, but if they are just like "No, this isn't happening" then I'll merely be mildly disappointed and move on.

It doesn't matter that she had no set goal or time limit to get out, she still would have had to fight her way out, unarmed and basically just wearing bandages, if that.

Why do you assume she would have to fight her way out through all of those Grimm? Grimm are attracted to negative energy, but even assuming they weren't disoriented and scattering to and fro themselves we haven't seen anything to suggest they know exactly where to find the source. This assumes they are putting out negative energy rather than just clearing their mind to focus on escape.

And you're comparing her to a heavily armed, highly trained, top-tier Huntsman who we've show to be almost as fast as Ruby, strong enough to make craters with his strikes, and was most likely not alone.

Sure, if Qrow was assisted by others then he would definitely have an easier time of it, but we don't know if he went in there on his own or with company. It is important to acknowledge what you don't know and you should try it.

Arkantos95 wrote: And yet DA is still going to come around and tell us all we're wrong again. Most likely with "super-boosted Aura healing factor," like dying is going to make the two of them freaking Wolverine. Or Deadpool. Or really any product of the Weapon-X program. I don't even have to do that, because muscle atrophy is such a silly thing to grasp at and it is just more people presuming to know things they can't possibly know. We don't know the exact function of the equipment. Maybe the medical technology they are using keeps her in effective stasis and prevents any cellular degeneration and thus prevents muscle atrophy. Now, the breaking of the seal would most likely break the stasis, but a few minutes isn't going to be enough time for atrophy to take effect.

You may kid about becoming like Wolverine, but we don't know how two Auras effectively fusing would turn out. If it is essentially just adding together the power of their two Auras then the effect would be a doubling of their strength and thus not exactly Wolverine level healing abilities. On the other hand, if the effect is multiplying the power of their Auras then it would be an exponential increase that would probably be more like Wolverine levels.