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The Bespectacled Guy wrote:

189.134.205.165 wrote:

The Bespectacled Guy wrote:

DiegoAnime3000 wrote: To summarize: It's incorrect to think that Adam is the most likely winner basing on the fact that he has taken more enemies down, is older or a villain. But it is not incorrect to suggest that Sun would get his ass kicked because Adam has been demonstrated to be a superior fighter in pretty much every conceivable department. That's not true. We saw that Sun is very good at fighting without a weapon while adam depends entirely on it so in terms of hand to hand combat Sun is superior. Like diego said, if something like adam losing his weapon or sun disarming him somehow occurs during a fight between the two then adam would be the one getting his ass kicked. That's conjecture. We have no idea how good Adam is at hand-to-hand combat because we haven't seen him resort to it, but from what we have seen, he is noticeably superior to Sun in every other area. Ultimately, even if he couldn't use hand-to-hand to save his life, it wouldn't really matter in this scenario.

I cannot imagine a scenario where Adam somehow drops his weapon - he was shot in the face with a massive laser and still kept hold of it. And Sun wouldn't get the chance to disarm him, because of Adam's INSANE combat speed. Keep in mind, we've really only see Sun fight properly once, against Roman, who beat him to a stalemate and would likely have won if not for Blake's intervention. As much as I hate to use power-scaling, if Sun can't beat Roman, he isn't touching Adam. That's right. We haven't seen it and so we haven't seen what Jaune's semblance might be. Saying that he can't win against Cardin despite we don't know his true abilities is wrong. Just because Adam looks strong doesn't mean he's a master at everything. Like how Weiss is also a master with Dust, Semblance and Aura but has no basis on hand to hand combat to the point that it can be considered her weakness. Yang might look like a boxing and kick boxing expert but we have seen that kick boxing is actually her weakness. Ruby is very strong but without her weapon, she has nothing. The way you're describing Adam makes him look invicinble but he's not. He might be older and has more experience but it doesn't make him invincible against any main character that it's not an adult. If that was true then you're basically denying any victory during the entire series since that's what the show is about. It's the same as saying that Blake can't defeat Roman but turns out she could. With a little help from dust but she could.

Also, if you watch the Black Trailer, you can see that Adam might look faster but in reality, Adam and Blake move at the same speed. Adam's fighting style consists on drawing his sword at an incredible speed but it doesn't make him faster in terms of dodging and moving around. Also, Sun can shoot faster than Adam because his gun is a rifle that needs precision while Sun's guns are dual shotguns. This and the hand to hand combat shows that Adam doesn't beat Sun in every aspect of combat.

Maybe you can't imagine an scenario like that. But I also couldn't imagine that a character so quiet like Blake was so emotionally fragile to the point of revealing her biggest secret in the stupiest way possible: To counter an argument. Besides, if there is something really famous in any action anime and series is that it always looks like the hero can't beat the bad guy but at the end, she/he always does.