Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-174.135.62.244-20160603201323/@comment-4621444-20160713203933

Phantomlink959 wrote: Leathercock wrote: I ship Jaune with a landmine, or alternatively with Adam's sword (right before Taiyang breaks every bone in THAT piece of pedofile sh#t's body). He cheated his way into a school where he clearly doesn't belonged, and when he was tasked by his ancient wise (idiot) superior with the simple task of watching the freaking entrance, he didn't, and that cost Amber her life, though she probs wouldn't have survived the procedure anyway, and by extension Pyrrha's life. I don't understand the point of his character, other than being the blandest, whitest self-insert I ever seen. They devoted a huge chunk of season one to him, and a tired bullying plot at that, plus a freaking love triangle. Seriously, Sun (!) is a better developed character, at least a way more simpathetic one, with a fraction of his screentime. And I don't really care for him either. Probably season 4 will be in large parts about him manpaining, of course. Also, no means no jackass, his constant hounding of Weiss as a running gag is just gross to me. Alright, time to break this down, (going in reverse order, since it's hard to sift through a block of text like this)

1: No-means-no dows not apply to this situation. As long as he is not forcing her into doing anything, simply asking her, there is nothing wrong legally or ethically. He has never once tried to FORCE her to do anything.

2: the fuck does 'mainpaining' even mean?

3: They did not intentionally devote that many episodes to Jaune in the first volume; originally it was going to be two episodes, but they had to be split in order to fill out the desired episode run. Overall those episodes accounted for only a fraction of the season run time. The 'tired bullying plot' i will not defend, could have been handled better.

4: Generally a self-insert needs to have things in common with the person they are an insert of. By my knowledge, Jaune is inferior to Miles in every way.

5: Amber was going to die regardless of whether Jaune was present or not, even if he tried to stop Cinder. Her underlings can wipe the floor with students with YEARS more experience than Jaune with minimal effort, and Cinder herself is vastly more powerful then either of those two.

6: His presence had no effect on the end result of the situation, but it does mean one thing. Someone other than the Ozluminatti knows how Cinder got the powers she has. How that effects the story we'll see in volume 4.

7: Jaune cheated, yes, but a lot of people cheat their way in to schools, jobs, etc they don't deserve. It's a thing that happens. And he is going to face consequences for doing so eventually; arguably he already has. His incompetence has lead to the death of someone he cared about.

I don't mind you disliking the character, not remotely, but you have an inexplciable hatred of him.

The sort of  lens you seem to be viewing Jaune through paints him as an irredeemable gary stu, when he meets (at most) one or two of the criteria for that label. I see things went off the rails a bit. Sorry about the blocky post.

1. Well, Someoneyouusedtoknow spelled it out everything I would have wrote, so yeah. Ask a woman, maybe?

2. By manpaining I meant, that (and I hope they prove me wrong) he is gonna be like beating himself up, for not seeing her feelings toward him, not being able to save her and such, which is very women-in-refrigerators-ish, retroactively harming Pyrrha's choice. Again, hope they don't make her death like that.

3. What they had an episode quota? Okay, then devote it to racism, which is hugely plot relevant. By the way, I think they did it admirably, as bully plots go. It wasn't that bad. But it would have been easy, to say, give Cardin a legitreason to hate Jaune for getting in by cheating. Make him super poor who by deafault hates him, because he thinks he got in cuz his name, and presumed wealth. Make him realize they both are at fault. Something. Make him relatable. My problem is, that he comes out of that as someone, who saves the bully, and so Cardin begrudgingly stops his behaviour. Jaune doesn't get any real comeuppance, for his cheating, and we are supposed to feel good at the end of his arc. Yeah, it is a real thing in real life. And? He took the place of someone, by cheating. And he gets off easy.

4. Well, this is something I totally botched. What I meant by self-insert, wasn't Miles. I meant it, that once again, we have the straight white male protagonist, the nth time. WHY????? Though, yes, a lot of grounding for the author avatar arguement as well.

5. You say Amber was going to die anyway. Sure. But who would have gotten her power? "Hey, there is a woman with a bow here, Ozpin, is she supposed to be here?" You think Ozzy and Maiden Pyrrha would lose against Cinder?

6. His presence didn't change anything, yeah. But it could have, as I just wrote. As long as what will it bear on the season 4 plot we will see, sure. Again, let's hope they avoid some very gross tropes with it.

7. Well kinda answered that already.

Also. Don't make assuptions, like I have lenses, or hate or whatever. I have arguements, not lenses my friend. And I don't hate him. He has redeeming traits. Pklural. My issue is mostly with his existence. I honestly think, that without him, or someone else in his place, the story would be better.

And before someone says, I am a Sun-stan, no I am not, I am a hardcore bumblebee shipper, but racism arc is vastly superior and relevant as both plot and storytelling.