Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27143816-20160216033644/@comment-25936766-20160614003456

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

1-Do you not realize how ridiculous it is for you to assume such things?

2-To get at a point you made, were they really so protective that they would not let her go about unaccompanied then why was she traveling the countryside alone?

3-I feel what we are supposed to gather is that Amber is coming back into civilization and so this would be close to Vale yet not in Vale.

4-The point here is that even if we assume she cannot avoid all the Grimm, her odds of running into weak Grimm that can be more readily dispensed with even absent a weapon are higher than her running into stronger Grimm.

5-Fighting as a team or alone doesn't really change that someone with significant experience should have sufficient situational awareness to not jump in front of another person's attack. That's a rookie mistake regardless of whether one prefers to fight alone.

6-So now you are saying this super-powered person guided by some of the most capable figures in Remnant has zero field experience based off absolutely nothing at all, not only assuming that she has less field experience than a teenage rookie. You are just being absurd at this point.

7-I think she didn't show a reliance on it at all. She used Aura and Dust at first then when they kept pressuring her she tried to shut them down completely with Maiden powers, then went into hand-to-hand with some apparent usage of Aura. Reason she lost is because it was a well-coordinated blitz attack by three highly experienced and capable fighters who knew exactly what they were up against.

8-Thing about it being a forest is that she doesn't even need to be on the ground where they are more likely to catch her unaware.

9-What I expect is not for people to agree with it, but that they not try to exhaust themselves coming up with any excuse they can conjure to shoot it down then brag about how much smarter they are when well over half the things they say are just baseless assumptions.

You aren't even allowing a discussion about the implications of the theory, which is far more interesting to me than all this nonsense.

10-Saying I am not arrogant is arrogance? Are you trolling me here?

11-How is it more logical to suggest Amber in the context of who was overseeing her, the importance they attached to her, and what we saw of her non-Maiden abilities would not be capable of merely escaping alive?

12-I'm not attaching a high threshold here or anything. We saw unarmed civvies managing to escape two different Grimm rampages, including the one you are so certain would do her in, yet you act as if I'm being unreasonable to suggest that a far more capable person could simply not die.

13-I mean, she was having no trouble knocking around both Mercury and Emerald at the same time with just her hands, but you go ahead and call that just "good" and "basic" if you like.

14-Except nothing I am suggesting requires her to be that. It only requires that she can keep a cool head in the face of danger, be sneaky, and defend herself if absolutely necessary.

15-She obviously would have reason to learn them for the same reason she would have to learn hand-to-hand combat and how to use Aura period.

16-We don't know anything about what Cinder did or how it affected her so you are, again, just making assumptions that you have no basis for whatsoever.

17-It isn't far more likely. That theory relies entirely on an assumption we have zero basis for making. 1-But consider: Salem. She's aware of the Maidens, their powers, and has the means to take said powers. Thus, considering Ozpin, it would be stupid of him to put the Maidens in places with Grimm. Best case scenario, she dies and they have to find the new Maiden and re-train her. Worst case, Beginning of the End happens. Of course, Ozpin's plan to deal with Salem was pretty much doing nothing, so perhaps allowing something so stupid would be expected of him.

2-Qrow was nearby, wasn't he? Now, for why he arrived so late, wild guess. Maybe he had a hangover? Was alerted late? Cinder sent a distraction? Perhaps she was the distraction? We'll never know.

3-Amber going to/returning from a village near Vale seems reasonable enough, at least for me right now. Doesn't mean she was a Huntress/on a mission/used to fighting Grimm however.

4-Depends on how much strength she has when she "wakes up". Also, while dealing with these dozens+ of weak mooks, she will also have to deal with the strong ones. And both make the other harder to deal with. Even escaping is difficult with the many Griffons flying around.

5-It's less a rookie mistake, and more a human mistake. Call it a habit. She's used to fighting Grimm alone, so she, when fighting Grimm, would initially try to fight them like she has always done. It's something normal, natural, and human. She may be a Huntress, but she's a human as well, excuse her for making human mistakes.

6-I'm assuming she doesn't have great field experience because she's not a Huntress (assumption) thus she hasn't fought Grimm as much as one, nor has she gone to Grimm-filled areas as much as one. Ruby, meanwhile, has since even before the show began, and has only been gaining more experience since then (plus she was trained by Qrow). As such, it's not unreasonable to say that yes, Ruby has more field experience.

7-What makes you think she used Dust and Aura? I didn't see any being used. All I saw was Maiden powers and use of the staff to block attacks and push them back. Then she used nothing but Maiden powers after that. Then when she used punches and kicks nothing says she used anything Aura-related. Reason she lost was because she grabbed the Idiot Ball (this woman shoots 3 arrows around you, they light up and look right about to explode. What do you do? Stand still, of course).

8-So you are assuming she's some sort of ninja, jumping from branch to branch?

9-So you don't want us to necesarily agree, you just want us to stop expressing our disagreement because we use "nothing more than baseless assumptions", the same thing you are doing?

10-Juuuuust a bit there. Do remember, people who are arrogant often deny/are ignorant of their arrogance.

11-Depends on the exact details. If she has Maiden powers, I say she can, if only by flying like Cinder did. If she doesn't have the Maiden powers, then her chances are more unbelievable. She has no weapon, no reason to assume she knows multiple weapon styles, was pretty reliant on her powers when things got remotely tough, and her little HtH skills won't be enough. If she isn't at full strength when waking up, even less likely.

12-During Breach, there were Hunters in the city, they responded quickly, the Atlesian army intervened, and most Grimm were mooks. This time, it's pretty different, far more Grimm, less Hunters, no Atlesian support and no way of reaching out to them, whatever civ got out on the ships and didn't get killed was lucky. Given the previous point, her chances of escaping are questionable.

13-By Hunter standards.

14-Defending herself, we know she can unless she's weakened. Being sneaky, maybe, I think she can be but not enough. Keeping a cool head.....yeah, that's a baseless assumption.

15-By that logic, all Hunters should know all the techniques possible even if they don't fit their fighting styles at all. Here's the thing: Hunters, and similar, fight in the way that fits them best, that they are better at. Nothing says they should nor must learn any possible technique ever.

Amber doesn't need to know, nor does she necesarily know, how to do an Aura "Force Palm" like Ren does, for the same reason Ruby doesn't need to, Cinder doesn't need to, Glynda doesn't need to, Qrow doesn't need to, Weiss doesn't need to, Pyrrha doesn't need to, and Adam doesn't need to.

16-We know it took her Aura though.

17-Cinder took the Maiden powers entirely. If anyone has any logical reason to have Amber's Soul inside them, it's Cinder. She would also have her powers available as well, an since Amber knows how to use them, escaping is more likely and much easier. Cinder wasn't even half as injured or weakened as Amber was either, and unlike Pyrrha, she still (possibly) has a body intact. She was also outside, so there's no need to answer questions like "how would she go up the elevator then?".

Compared to Ambyrrha, even though Cimber does still rely on some assumptions, it makes more sense and sounds more reasonable.