Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-1446360-20190226181816/@comment-27312496-20190227145549

Believe it or not Blue, some people can't be reasoned with. RWBY is hardly the first show to do this.

For an example in the How to Train Your Dragon series, Hiccup reasoned with a number of people that dragons weren't the monsters everyone thought they were. But in the seconded movie he found out the hard way some people can't be reasoned with at the cost of his father's life.

Or how about the Joker, never once heard of a redemption arc for him and yet not no one complains. He is a chaotic evil, a redemption arc would be way out of character.

Some character in any series just don't deserve one. The likes of Raven, Hazel and Emerald who's behaviors shown they deserver one but Cinder, Adam an Tyrian actions show nothing of them wanting to change.