Talk:Adam Taurus/@comment-5136196-20160817022300/@comment-25936766-20160825130705

@Alhazad: 1-It was powerful enough to freeze the Dragon. And Cinder received far more light, far more directly, face first, without even trying to block or avoid it. The only power Maidens have shown is great elemental powers, nothing else, so we have no reason to assume Cinder managed to avoid being frozen simply "cause Maiden, bitch", which is what you're saying.

And why would Salem tell her to not kill Ruby? 1) She's got Silver Eyes, the one thing the Grimm fear, powerful enough to freeze the Dragon, why would they not kill her? Why let her live and get stronger? 2) She actually achieved a lot. With the Dragon frozen, while it keeps attracting Grimm to Beacon, it stopped sweating down Grimm on Vale on top of that, and now, Vale has an actual chance of rebuilding and fighting back, in the long term.

You call Salem a long-term thinker, but this part of your "argument" shows the contrary.

2-Did Cinder ever even care enough to plan a way to keep them alive once Vale got infested by the chaotic Grimm and the AKs started firing on everyone? She didn't. Their job was to help her wreck Vale, the job's done, they are on their own now. They live they live and if they don't they don't.

And in any case, it's just 1 part of the WF, so even if they did get wrecked Cinder still has other options. I doubt the other parts know about her as well, since I doubt Adam would tell his superior "we are working with A HUMAN to help her wreck Vale". Even if he said why, he would be kicked out on the spot.

3-What makes you think I was talking about Cinder and Salem in that point? I'm talking about Mercury and Emerald. They are, quite obviously, not Cinder, and not Salem. It's irrelevant what the latter 2 are, they are not who I was talking about.

Also, 2 things: 1) "foreshadowed in the intro": Junior was foreshadowed to be on the villain's side alongside the Malachites in the Vol.2 intro. He never did anything evil in all of Vol.2 and 3, he even helped Yang instead. My point: Ignore all that "foreshadowing" you see in the intro, chances are it won't happen.

2) "It's unlikely Cinder would be replaced so suddenly": For starters, it doesn't need to be sudden. Second of all, if Salem is such a long-term thinker like you say, then she would indeed have a sudden replacement somewhere. Third of all, think of Penny: She got sliced to pieces before she even achieved anything; in other words, if it seems unlikely to you, it's probably going to happen soon.