Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180120015359/@comment-5430952-20180121060354

KingFubuki92 wrote: You can't even call Haven the heroes victory. The only reason they "won" was because of:

A) Blake's intervention with the Menagerie Militia, which they had no idea about, and also her alerting the Mistralian Police Department.

B) Hazel and Mercury deciding to cut and run after Emerald's illusion rather than just kill them all while they were distracted.

C) Raven managing to take care of Cinder.

D) Raven letting Yang take the Relic.

E) Leo running away like a Coward instead of continuing the fight.

F) Jaune managing to unlock his Semblance, which in turn recharged Weiss, which in turn temporarily put them on even footing with Hazel, but even then Hazel crushed the Lancer Queen.

Ozpin's forces didn't really win. The enemy just lost. Had Blake not arrived in time, or had Raven not let Yang take the relic, or had Hazel and Mercury chosen to fire on the paralyzed with fear heroes, then Ozpin's forces would be dead. Every single factor to their victory was based on luck/unpredicatable variables. They didn't really win. They aren't strong enough to face Salem. Not yet, that's for sure. I agree with you that Haven was saved more because of the villains self-destructing rather than the heroes overcoming them. Though I actually loved watching the villains' plans blow up in their face for a change, after watching Cinder waltz through one successful plan after another without any setbacks for two whole volumes, this was such a breath of fresh air.

But yeah, they can't rely on luck every single time, that will not happen again, I'm sure of it. And Salem didn't seem too upset that her plans were going up in smoke, she must have a way to mitigate the damages, or else she would've been much angrier with Leo.

And once they go to Atlas, I'm certain General Ironwood will drill the points you just made home, he knows a war is coming hence why he wanted Penny and his army to be prepared. Man, I can't wait for Volume 6. Until then...