Talk:Downfall/@comment-28171999-20180115002411/@comment-34633327-20180116074543

"Any character can be redeemed, its the actions they did on screen though that makes or breaks the redemption."

I probably should have added it makes or breaks the believability of a redemption. Again, any character can be redeemed if the writer chooses to redeem them. Its the actions they've done however that makes the audience decide whether or not the redemption is possible or earnable. The writers can do whatever the hell they want with their characters, it is the audience however that determines wether or not the decision made was a good one.

If Cinder was redeemed right now, after all the crap she pulled over 5 volumes, and was just let off easily, most if not all of us would cry bullshit.

If Raven wasn't instantly redeemed right now (Still allowed to side with them but only out of necessity) but had to re-earn the trust of the heroes, and actually show remorse over her actions, and was done over a course of time, then its a more believable redemption.

Ilia ultimately took a mix of the two. Her redemption was forshadowed over several episodes by showing her wavering feelings, but to some her redemption in True Colors came off as unearned and too rushed. But her's is an example of audience's accepting it or denying it. Some accept it and think it was believable, others call it rushed and unearned.

A redemption can happen to any villain if the writer so pleases. Only the audience can decide if it fits, and to make the audience more likely to see that, the writers have to write it in a way that comes across as earned. This is why so many people got pissed at Fairy Tail's redeeming of Villains, since even villains that did heinous actions could be redeemed with little trouble.

So, Raven can be redeemed if the writers damn well want to. It's just whether or not we, the audience choose to accept her redemption that makes or breaks it. I again reiterate, I will accept her redemption as she is by no means as bad as someone like Cinder, nor is she evil like some would proclaim. But my opinion is not the same as others. I accepted Locus' in RvB when others called Bullshit. I accepted Nina's in Code Geass when others wanted her dead. If others don't accept Raven's redemption, they have a right not to. But they can't deny that Raven can't be redeemed, as RT can redeem anyone they want to. They don't have to accept it, but they can't call it impossible.