Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20170217011737/@comment-25936766-20170223223705

KNN005 wrote: Grey and Someone often show up when Arkantos and Lucas start throwing insults around.

1-Here's what I know about Cinder. She's a sadist willing to kill people to gain power. I don't care if Tyrian gave her the willies. She creeps out people laughing on a roof at people being slaughtered. She thinks Tyrian is scary. "Pot. Meet Kettle. You've got much to discuss."

2-Her keeping Merc and Em around is no good act. I bet she did it because the rest of Salem's crew picks on her and she wants her own crew to boss around. She wants to be a fake Salem.

3-But she's young and got ended by Ruby and now she's partially crippled. Why? Because she's overconfident and arrogant. She's willing to kill people to get what she wants but in her winning streak she never saw her own loss coming.

4-Here's what I know about Em. She must have EXTREMELY LOW self-esteem.

5-Merc never got slapped. But she did, and accepted it.

6-Merc doesn't regret getting Vale citizen burned and stabbed by Grimm and WFs. Em did, but lacked the pragmatism to take that as a wake up call.

7-Just because someone saves you it does not, will not, cannot mean they can do whatever they want to you or to anyone else.

8- You can be grateful to someone without kissing their ass. She grew up on the streets and she doesn't know that?

9-And she's the one brown character and the artist never considered it'd be a little insensitive to have a brown (middle-eastern likely) character completely submissive and dominated by a cruel vain diva of a white woman?

10-But she's just a minion. A maid. A slave.

11-And nothing anyone says will change that in my eyes. It's up to the writers to show me different. If we do, it's severely coincidental. I have classes 5 days a week, from 12pm to up to 5:30pm. And I post when I read something and feel the need to respond, regardless of who hurt who's feelings.

Besides, I'm pretty neutral here. I disagree when I disagree and agree when I agree, regardless of who's involved. I've butted heads with Ark long before you (re)appeared, as far as I can remember.

1-Completely different kinds of scary. Cinder, at the very least, can think rationally. What Tyrian did was just creepy and insane. Crying his heart out then seemingly-unconsciously knocking a Beowulf before (while still crying to the 7 heavens) jumping on it and beating it up as his cry turns into maniacal laugh. That is just creepy.

2-If so, Merc and Emerald seem pretty comfortable with being bossed around by someone they couldn't easily tell "no" to.

3-NO. She got crippled by Ruby because it was a fucking piece of bullshit Deus Ex Machina the writers pulled from their asses and she had no way of seeing it coming.

She got wrecked by terrible writing, not due to "arrogance" or anything.

4-Mmm............nah, she most certainly doesn't sound, look or act like she does.

5-....Wait, Emerald got slapped? When did it happen again? Was it in one of those super-ambiguous "cut to black" scenes in Beginning of the End? I thought that was Salem slapping Cinder.

In the case she did though, we don't know the actual reasons for Cinder slapping her. It's one thing to be hit, it's another thing to be hit when you were practically asking for it.

6-Did Emerald really show regret? Like I've said a million times, her little line back then could be interpreted as condescence, not pity or regret.

7-We have not seen Cinder do whatever she wants with them though. And while, yes, gratitude=/="I will now do whatever you want"....that doesn't mean one can't follow someone out of gratitude or whatever out of their own free will.

Basically "I'll help you out. Not because you want me to or are telling me to, but because I want to".

8-Does growing up on the streets really matter at all in that case?

9-............I do find it mildly racist, but not because "she's bossed around by a white woman". But rather because the first undeniably-black character we got, was a Villain, and a thief, who willingly follows the anarchistic Cinder. Sure, she had her reasons explained later, but first impressions.

10-Not a maid, much less a slave. We haven't seen her being treated as such by Cinder at all. Minion, yes.

11-The question is not if they ever prove you wrong. The question is if you acknowledge it if they ever do it.