Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171216025048/@comment-2001:8A0:D21E:F701:BCB8:ABB7:EEBC:FC92-20171220121928

Arkantos95 wrote: Ozpin does not give choices. He gives ultimatums disguised as choices. Sure, Pyrrha's case had extenuating circumstances, but RNJRWY did not. You could tell by that stupid fucking smirk on his face that he had absolutley no doubts that eveyrone would fall in line like they always do

Raven, on the other hand, gave an actual choice with similar outcomes for each one.

1) Go to Qrow and get your answers from in and Ozpin, who you know for a fact have lied to you in the past via omission.

2) Stay with Raven, reconnect and get a fresh start as a family, and get your answers from her.

Ozpin just said "There's no shame in leaving, only in going away" which is not a choice, it's "You're a worthless coward if you don't do as I say." Wait, so you count what Opzin does as an ultimatum, but not Raven's actions? She also said to Yang that she would be pretty much out of her life and not be kind if she didn't choose her. Not to mention, considering the little amount of info she gave to Yang, there was no way Yang would choose her. If Raven was in Yang's position, she probably would have walked away too

Also, "Ozpin lied via omission" - I'm sorry: is he suppose to tell every potential huntsmen that Salem, the maidens and the relics exist? It doesn't seem like every hunstmen knows about those - that would cause chaos. None of those kids even graduated. Hell, Ozpin was not even the one who caused them to become involved in the first place - Qrow is.