Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20161128203912/@comment-25936766-20161129122248

Alhazad2003 wrote: 1-I mean we learned a lot about her during her discourse with Qrow; she has an inflated opinion of herself, tends to spout off BS, gets testy whenever she is challenged, and is prone to flee when someone hits too close to home.

2-And emotions were rewarded with brutal punishments for they were seen as a sign of weakness.

3......Over time she was able to tell the difference, and knew a society like Vale could not be created if people cared only about themselves, like her "family."

4-Now there's no way she could exist in such an environment for so long and not (as you're claiming) be changed in some way. She would have to change in order to survive in Beacon, otherwise she would not have lasted.

5-.......In time, I'm certain Ozpin called Raven to his office and gave her an eloquent speech that could be summarized in five words: shape up or ship out.  There was no third option, if she defied him and remained her old self she would've doubtlessly been expelled.

6-And had she caused chaos in town she would've been labeled a menace to society, locked up in maximum security for the rest of her life, or possibly executed. Then Yang would never be born, and there would be no Team RWBY. No show either.

7-And she even warmed up to Tai, and I daresay was only truly capable of showing weakness around him, since he never chided her for doing so.

8- If she did not change,m she would soon perish, those are the rules that govern all life on Remnant, and Raven and her ilk are no exceptions.

9-I imagine the older tribespeople will see the resemblance between Yang and Raven and start asking some tough questions, questions Raven doesn't want to answer, for she fears the tribe will revolt if they knew how she'd "sinned" against them.

10-So in short, we're not assuming anything..... Your english teacher may be proud, Alhazad, but my god, 9 paragraphs of 5+ lines each......that hurts the eyes.

1-You must have watched a different show. She never showed any inflated opinion of herself nor did she spit any bullshit. She only got even remotely mad when Qrow kept evading her question instead of answering it, and left when she figured he didn't know about the relic and with is desire to give no actual answers, it was a waste of time.

2-Assumption. For starters, since we don't know anything about the tribe or how they raised them, for all we know the whole Social Darwinism idea is just Raven's, not something inherent in the tribe. Second of all, Social Darwinism doesn't mean emotions=weakness. Maybe fear and sadness, but not all emotions.

3-......One thing you missed in that whole text: If Raven actually felt all that, she would have not gone back to the tribe and fully-abandoned her friends and family, including regarding their war against Salem.

4-Bullshit. Being an ass doesn't mean you won't last. What a Hunter must be, is skilled, smart and strong. That is all. As long as she was, she would last. You think Hunters always work together? Working alone is an option.

5-Hahaha! Bullshit again, because: CRDL. Everyone knew how much they bullied Jaune and maybe other students. No teacher or even Ozpin himself even raised an eyebrow. Why? Because Hunters are going to fight monsters, if they cannot deal with a bully they're not going to deal with any Grimm worth it's weight.

So if Raven was an ass, no teacher, much less Ozpin himself, would call her out. Hell, if she was an ass I bet it was just being asocial, not being an actual asshole to everyone.

6-This point is irrelevant since this is about an "If" that would never have happened. Raven's not a savage idiot, she wouldn't cause some chaos unnecesarily, not even for being expelled. If she got expelled she would just go back to the tribe. Even the tribe kills for necesity, not to throw a tantrum.

7-Or they got drunk.

8-Bullshit. Read points 4 and 5.

9-For all we know, the tribe could try to make her join them. After all, Badass Mother (and Leader) --> Badass Daughter.

10-.....And yet you used many assumptions to argue that. The irony.