Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-24993958-20181026055523/@comment-25936766-20181031223653

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: 1) Also, about the turrets, Oscar actually said it best since the gang wanted to lure the Grimm to the back, but since the turrets were set up all over the train, including where the other passengers were, the Grimm were spreading out to take care of the turrets, putting them near the passengers and thus putting the passengers in danger.

2) Also, I view the manticores going down relatively easy to not be a sign of their weakness but rather a sign that the group had gotten stronger.  Oscar, a relative beginner was struggling one-on-one with a single Manticore after all. 1) Ok, then, why shut off all the turrets and not merely the ones that were not in the back cars? Wouldn't they have helped keep the Grimm at the back like the heroes wanted?

Plus they could've helped them deal with the Sphinx, and thus it wouldn't have ended up sending the whole trip off the rails.

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2) Ok, first of all, Oscar is not a real indicator of power at all. He didn't even go to combat school, and at most he's been training for a month and 2 weeks. He might have Ozpin's experience, but he is a lot weaker than everyone else in every way unless Ozpin is in control. And even with Ozpin's skill, we have seen that Oscar's body can barely keep pace.

Second of all, Ironwood alone had a rather difficult time with 1 Alpha Beowulf. It wasn't a long fight but it didn't go down in 2 seconds either. And he's both a General and a Headmaster.

RWBY and RNJ, meanwhile, are at most around 2nd Year Huntsman-in-Training level, in other words at CFVY's level. And the Manticores, appearance-wise, seemed to be at around the same level as the Alpha Beowulf, if not even stronger.

And yet they go down as fast as Grimm did back in Volume 1, sometimes even faster. They only even managed to take down Dee because he went Leeroy Jenkins.

So, no. The heroes got stronger, sure. But that doesn't justify such tough-looking Grimm being nothing but jobbers, and the Grimm were supposed to be getting tougher since V3 to begin with.

If they all really became that much stronger, then we're back to the same problem we had in V1-2 where we couldn't take Grimm as an actual threat because simple rookies can take them all down so flawlessly.