Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-14909251-20170522044827/@comment-34633327-20170827063402

SpiritedDreaming wrote: KingFubuki92 wrote: Before Episode 11 of Volume 4, you could argue it was because the Rogue Faction thing was a lie, but since we know its true based on Ilia's scroll, then its because the Vacuo branch could be in cahoots with Adam's group. Er. The implication is not that Adam's group is a rogue faction after they found that evidence, but rather that all of the White Fang is now violent. Them being a Rogue Faction who has strayed from the rest of the White Fang is a lie, yes. But that's because the whole (or at least the majority) of the White Fang has followed, and the Corsac brothers only lied and said Adam's group had gone rogue so the White Fang didn't get kicked out of Menagerie by Ghira.

Heck, Hazel was even going to go talk with Sienna on the orders of Salem, make sure he's fully commited, and if not 'dispose' of him and instate someone who is. The vast majority of the White Fang is violent now due to Salem's interference, pretty much.

That's also what makes Blake's story line have meaning; she's going against the violence that has taken up the New White Fang and bringing them back to the unbloodied ways of the Old White Fang. If Adam's faction was rogue and going against the majority of the rest of the White Fang, then her statement about "taking back the White Fang" at the end of V4 loses all meaning. Yes, but remember the line Ghira said after looking through the phone:

"Adam Taurus is planning to overthrow the leader of the White Fang, and stage a full-scale attack on Haven Academy."

Note the word, planning. The fact the word is planning means Sienna Khan isn't dead or overthrown yet. Hazel wasn't ordered to dispose of him, he was told to

"Ensure that Sienna Khan feels the same."

Hazel wouldn't have been able to kill Sienna Khan, as some random human, having been recommended by Adam himself, killing the leader of the WF, would cause mass panic among the WF. Not only would it get tons of WF members attacking Hazel, Adam would be discredited for effectively bringing in a hitman, and it would drive away any chance of future leaders allying with Salem as Adam wouldn't be able too. Sienna Khan isn't allying with Salem, but that still doesn't mean he isn't just as bad. Salem only began controlling the White Fang roughly 1 year ago, but they'd been violent long before then, because of Sienna Khan. The only reason Adam is working with them at all is because Cinder threatened to kill him. Remember what he told her?

"The White Fang is not an organization for hire. We're a force of revolution!"

No doubt Khan would feel just as if not even more strongly about it. Blake wants to take it back and return it to the once gentler White Fang from 5 years ago when Ghira was still in charge. Only stopping Adam wouldn't solve that, as Sienna Khan would still be in command. Since it can't be certain if Adam's coup will succeed, they need to take down Khan too, so it doesn't lose meaning. Not to mention, just because Adam is leading a coup doesn't mean all of the WF is on his side. If it was, why would they need to convince Khan at all? Just have Adam fully take over, or have them launch the attack on Haven without Khan's orders. But no, since they needed to recruit Khan as a first option, there are more than likely supporters of Khan, and causing a Coup could create a schism in the WF ranks, which is less preferable than having the leader on their side so they can use ALL of the WF. Adam's faction is effectively rogue, what the Albain's lied about was their own affiliation. When you think about it though, Adam's faction is distinctively different from the main WF for one reason: Their willingness to work with humans. While they may have been forced into it, they are still working with human agents, Roman taking command of the Vale forces for all of V1 and V2. With it impossible for the world to know of the circumstances behind this, the public would see WF members rallied under a known human fugitive in Vale. Adam's own beliefs that Humans need to pay is more than likely shared with Sienna Khan, so his seeing Adam's forces working with Salem would technically classify Adam's faction as gone rogue by betraying their beliefs. As for Adam could be strongarmed into joining but Sienna Khan couldn't, Adam was blindsided by Cinder, Mercury, and Emerald after Cinder stole half of Amber's powers, leaving it just him and the lieutenant against three humans who wiped out their entire group. He had no choice to work for her. Sienna Khan on the other hand had a meeting Hazel, assumedly with Guard's present. Despite Adam arraging the meeting, the fact Sienna Khan isn't dead nor was he strongarmed implies Adam didn't have forces waiting to force Khan into complying, and unlike Cinder, Hazel doesn't have an intimidation factor. Cinder may have looked like a young woman, but her intimidation was through her feats, first wiping out Adam's troops, then setting her weapons ablaze with an unknown power. Hazel on the other hand, as far as we know, is an ordinary man with great strength (He did bust that Ticket Dispenser just by "tapping" it). While he may look physically imposing, its nothing unusual when people like Yatsuhashi, the White Fang Lieutenant, Tukson, Ironwood, and even Cardin walking around (Cardin may be an idiot jerk and very thin, but his armor can be imposing to the right person). Hazel more than looking couldn't strongarm him, and wouldn't be able to kill him for the reasons stated prior. So unless there is a specific reason Adam chose NOT to just get rid of him immeadiently when he already has all the troops on his side, he had to set up the meeting for one reason only, to get Khan on their side and prevent a schism.