Talk:With Friends Like These/@comment-2600:8805:1400:99B:B8C0:70B9:100D:ECE-20200202035449/@comment-25936766-20200202042735

The problem with that however, OP, is that Ironwood had a point, while RWBY just insisted on "doing the right thing". But on top of that, Ironwood had a plan, while RWBY didn't seem to have thought of any way to stop Cinder and save both Atlas and Mantle.

Its not a perfect plan and a lot of people would die, but if Salem gets the Relic everyone will die, and no one presented any good alternatives.

Plus Blake and Yang did go behind Ironwood's back and even told Robyn about Amity when she was actively attacking and stealing from the Atlesian Miltary (legally treason) despite all the support he gave them. And the team as a whole didn't win any points with Ruby's plan of repeating Ozpin's lies. Plus they are resisting an arrest, so it really is on RWBY.

Also Clover didn't die for following orders. He died for being an imbecile, focusing only on Qrow even after seeing Tyrian (who he was ordered to capture) was free, and even preventing Qrow from trying to attack Tyrian multiple times. Which in itself makes no sense and isn't even in-character for Clover.