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Wilfred J. Pemberley wrote: Super saiyan swagger wrote:

cinder is an actual somewhat good character who should be fleshed out more She really isn't. She has no charisma, no personality, no motivation to speak of, and to top it off, she's an objectively toxic and awful person.

Super saiyan swagger wrote: she has hate for ruby, possibly fear for salem raven and ruby, a want for power, all personality traits. No, on the contrary, rage, fear, and drive are all animal traits. Everything that she demonstrates on a psychological level is primal in nature. Her 'personality' as you call it is closer to that of a rabid dog than to that of a person.

A developed personality would include things like empathy, ethos, a sense of humor, or love; all things that Cinder lacks. This is why Cinder is a bad character, because she's one-dimensionally evil. Good villains aren't just hatred and vengeance 24 hours a day. They demonstrate acts of kindness occassionally (and not just for show). They're funny from time to time. They can terrify their enemies with subtle menacing tone of voice. Cinder does none of this. She just monotonically complains about how much she hates everything, and how much she wants power for no reason in particular.

Cinder is basically Villanelle from Killing Eve, minus the charisma and wit. Which, when you think about it, is a horrifically awful character that shouldn't exist. AND she's boring as hell. The way she talks is boring, and even her fight style is boring. She has the power to form any weapon she wants out of obsidian, and ALL SHE EVER SPAWNS ARE SWORDS! What the hell?!

Would it kill her to change her weapons occassionally? I mean, she's used a javelin once, a bow twice, and every other time she's used either a curved sword or a straight sword. Why not a halberd, or a twinblade, or an axe, or something? That lack of creativity is emblematic of her shitty, onenote personality which is evil evil evil evil evil, all the damn time.

She's a hot mess of a character, and she needs to die for the good of this show.