Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-15049427-20131111061855

Theory Time! "Queen has pawns." is the message Qrow sends to Ozpin. "Queen" is Cinder, the "pawns" are Roman and the White Fang.

Queen? Cinder wears red. Red Queen. Alice in Wonderland. The Red Queen has a thing for red roses. Red roses. Ruby is red. Ruby Rose. Summer Rose. Summer Rose is the name on the gravestone in the RWBY Red trailer.

Monty has stated these things: 1) Yang's last name is Xi ao Long, not Yang. 2) Neither Ruby nor Yang are adopted. 3) At RTX, he said a character related to one character met with another character, and that determined the eye color of yet another character.

Summer Rose, by popular belief, is speculated to be Ruby's mother (and the white caped person in the opening credits). Going by the above statements by Monty, if he is talking about Ruby and Yang's parents, it means Yang's father met Summer Rose BEFORE Ruby was born. And thus it determined Ruby's silver eyes.

Based on the RWBY Red trailer, and Red Like Roses part I and II, we know something happened to Summer Rose.

Summer Rose was murdered by Cinder (Red Queen and her love for roses theory), but Ruby was never informed who did the deed, and has been on a mission to find the murderer.

Going back on Monty's statements, I believe Ruby's original name was Ruby Xiao Long, however, she changed her surname to Rose, her mother's maiden name, as a sort of memento of her mother, whom she loved, and quite possibly as a promise to herself that she will find whoever killed Summer Rose. However, Ruby doesn't know Cinder is the murderer (based on her reaction in episode one).

Ozpin, Qrow, and Glinda knows Cinder murdered Summer Rose, though...All three of them knows Cinder (based on Qrow's message to Ozpin, and Glinda's reaction in episode one). They, however, have been keeping it a secret from Ruby.

To further support the Alice in Wonderland theory, remember when I said Summer Rose is the white caped person in the opening credits? If Cinder is the Red Queen, Summer must be the White Queen.

I saw this in the comment section of the Cinder pictures on Monty's page. I actually believe this to be true.



A quote from Lewis Carroll in 'Alice on the Stage,' "The Red Queen I pictured as a Fury, but of another type; her passion must be cold and calm - she must be formal and strict, yet not unkindly; pedantic to the 10th degree, the concentrated essence of all governesses!"