Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-10390252-20181120121002/@comment-5430952-20181121201316

She hasn't ouright betrayed her, but altering the plan to further her own agenda is a serious overt in Salem's eyes. Nothing was discussed about seizing the Spring Maiden's power, only obtaining the Relic. Watts himself said the Maidens are but the means to an end, though I doubt Cinder sees it that way, not with how entitled she's become. That's why I now see her as a liability to Salem, and would've been elated had Raven corrected that by taking her life in Haven. And though Cinder managed to survive Haven, she'll be hard-pressed to regain Salem's favor now, if she even wants to at this point.