Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-14138255-20180123171649/@comment-26018514-20180124035448

2001:8A0:D227:D701:59B:6C69:8D4D:E259 wrote: Ok, I have to ask: how were you expecting any of the kids would hold a candle to Raven or Cinder? They are older, far more experienced and had maiden powers. I don't know what is Vernal's age, but she was way better than Weiss (who was really incompetent fighting Vernal, but still). So I'm guessing Vernal wasprobably a bit older and probably had better training - the intention was to win without giving up the game that she was not the Spring Maiden, so basically they had to be completely sure she could do it without suffering much (preferably any) damage. You want an asspull and our heroes becoming much stronger in a ridiculously short amount of time? The villains and other antagonists spent years getting stronger, one of them with Salem (probably more). And most of them seem to have done because they needed it to survive, which is very different than training because you like it and because you want to be huntress for living. 1. Did I say anything about fighting Cinder or Raven? Cinder was always a "run unless you're Ruby" opponent going into the fights, and Raven never fought the girls at all... I'd say she fought Qrow, but as the fight was barely animated I'm not even sure she tried

2. Vernal was combat trained as well as likely recieved personal training from Raven, as Qrow said in V3, that field training is far more valuable experience than Beacon, and Vernal has likely had more than 4-7 years of it.

3. Yang's fight was with Mercury and Emerald, and EVERY TIME, she went in for a punch and got kicked in the head, not once did she attempt a strategic disengagement or an AoE attack despite doing them in "Yellow" and V3... at least when Weiss had the idiot ball, it was AFTER showing improvement enough to do something, all Yang did was school Chumps she could easily have used her old strategy's for, then in the combat she should have used her new strategy it was like she became darkness from Konosuba for no reason.

4. Disengaging her arm cost her mobility(and she could have fired it with Merc holding it to haymaker him or just get him farther away with her other arm before leaving to increase the others odds against Emerald), had she entered and been in the middle of Cinder x Raven, even not fighting would have been far harder, Ruby would have been the better choice to go, simply due to speed and the ability to beat Cinder, it was arbitrary Yang went at all.

I'm not expecting miracles here, but basic competence at the same level and slightly above their last appearance with continued progress is always prefferable.