Talk:Lie Ren/@comment-65.95.202.70-20140808202258/@comment-65.95.202.70-20140816014207

While jaune did have his moment, so far he hasn't shown anything for it. I agree that is showed good character development but nothing afterwards. He still goes for a girl that ignores him. His pathetic attempt at that food fight was terrible. So much for receiving any training or using plans.

While ren was impressive with the snake what about the fights afterwards? With the scorpion he gets slammed to some rock and is the only one panting and I have no doubt the others (except jaun) would be fine. His fight in the food fight looked like he could hold his ground but then he quickly lost. Compare that to his teamates.....yea can't really...they put up a MUCH better fight.

Now for some other males. RWBY vol 2 episode 4....the bartender was picked on, Neptune couldn't handle the bike ride at all and the combined effor of him plus Sun was useless...Also they were shown to be eating afterwards without a care....something to look up to? What purpose did they serve in the fight? none. Why bother making such characters? Penny's father is portrayed as controlling as well....great. Face it the males are not portrayed well, when they fight they are rid of quickly, and serve no purpose at all. They just shouldn't be in this series at all tbh. They cannot compare to anyone and while that does make them standout.....it isn't really a good reason to stand out. Being weak without any progression never is.