Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28776596-20170117185125/@comment-37.228.68.250-20170202111137

ChishioKunrin wrote: Ozpin's attitude being like the king's: I actually didn't think about that. Remember in volume 2, the conflict that went on between Ozpin and Ironwood? Ironwood's response to everything was "Gather my army and go destroy the enemy", but Ozpin kept reigning him in, insisting that they play things carefully and figure out what their enemy is doing. Ozpin was incredibly hesitant to fight. Monty even once said that Ozpin will not fight unless he feels that he absolutely positively has to.

As for Jaune being a descendant of Vale's king... Well... For me, and many others, it all depends on whether or not Jaune's princehood would actually make him special or not. If he inherited some kind of awesome power from the king, that would upset quite a few people because there are people out there who... *sigh* This takes some explaining.

See, I actually ran into a Tumblr post (Put your pitchforks down!!!) that actually explains really, really well why part of the fandom hates the way Jaune is written. It's not necessarily that they hate Jaune - they like him, he's a good character, but the way that the story around him is written, the way that the story just brushes off his flaws and faults and his actions, is all just.. really bad, annoying, and frustrating for a pretty large portion of the fandom.

The thing is... even in some of the minor plot points with Jaune, the story kinda... fixes the events and characters around him to ignore his flaws or negative actions and say "Wow, what a great guy!" He chases Weiss around, constantly trying to ask her out and ignoring her rejections, ignoring the fact that she doesn't want him, but the story and Yang play it off like Weiss is just being a cold bitch, rather than someone who's annoyed that this guy won't leave her alone or take no for an answer, and that's not even taking into account her apparent paranoia about gold diggers.

In volume 1, he charmed the fandom with his strong desire and conviction to improve enough to actually belong at Beacon and become a hero, but then the writing for him became inconsistent - in the library scene in volume 2, he's reading a comic book instead of studying like Pyrrha and Ren; in Breach, his "strategy" to defeat an Ursa that comes up to him is to just scream and slash wildly, and this is treated like some awesome "Hey, Pyrrha didn't have to save his ass" victory; in volume 3, his combat skills still have not improved, and hell, he even got hit in the face by his own shield. (Though, in volume 3, the way they wrote his lines and his actions and the fact that he was helping move Pyrrha's story along rather than Pyrrha just being there to move him through a story actually made the people who'd previously been turned off from him start to like the writing for him again)

The problem with the stuff about his combat skills is that


 * 1) We've only seen evidence of him working toward improving twice in the series so far: once in volume 2 in a scene for the Arkos subplot and once in volume 4 with the training video.
 * 2) He just... really hasn't improved, to be honest.

And Ruby has been shown to be a better strategist than him.

In volume 1, Jaune was presented to us as the normal guy who's new to this Huntsman stuff and has to work to improve and become as awesome as everyone else, and volumes 2 and 3 continued to present him as such... except for the fact that he has barely improved and hasn't really been shown to actually be working that hard. Some fans feel that the story patting him on the back as "Wow, he's such a great guy" is undeserved because it keeps making things work out in his favor without calling him out on negative behavior or letting his flaws really be flaws.

Meanwhile, the story lets Ruby's flaws be flaws (stubbornness, lack of hand-to-hand skills) and called Weiss out on her negative behavior, and the two of them have actually gotten to grow as characters because of it. Volume 3 presented to us that Weiss was literally unable to summon anything, Winter gave her a talk, and then she started working to improve her summoning. Now, in volume 4, she is to the point where, if she concentrates really hard for several seconds, she can slowly summon an entire Giant Armor. That's good, but not really that helpful in battle unless she has partners there to distract the enemy while she does it. But she has improved. And she worked to make that improvement. While we haven't seen much of her training in that, we have seen the steps of improvements she has taken (Nothing -> Tiny sword -> Just an arm and a sword -> Big sword -> Entire armor after several seconds of concentration), as well as possible evidence that she had been practicing in the several month timeskip (Boarbatusk). Jaune? No.

So, if Jaune is a descendant of the king and that does make him special and give him some kind of special power... there will be chaos because there will be people who feel that he does not, at the current point in time, deserve that (whether they consciously know that's why they feel upset or not).

Also, side note: Where did they say that they developed Jaune's family long before the SEW stuff? Do you mean that the show talked about Jaune's family long before the SEW stuff (beyond Ozpin's mention of silver eyes in episode 1)? If so, yeah. If you mean came up with and planned during the show's development, then I doubt that, especially since JNPR was originally going to be side characters, rather than main characters.

Sorry for this... essay of a post, but the Jaune thing really needed explanation for it to be understood, and even then, I didn't fully explain and pretty much paraphrased the original post that I read. Honestly, I was surprised how that post came off as just pure, well-written criticism that calmly explained the fandom's history with Jaune. I dunno if the original poster would want me to mention who wrote it or not, since they tagged it as #rwde just to avoid possibly getting hated on by the fans who adore Jaune. Surprisingly, this sounds a lot like Naruto in so many ways.