Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-24018437-20190625174850

Honestly? I never found the stuff Cinder went through in volume 4 redemption material. I mean, think about what really, really happened with Cinder in volume 4.


 * She was resentfull of the fact that some of her peers rubbed her losing to Ruby in her face.
 * She was freaked out by a scorpion man violently beating a big ass werewolf to death while laughing like a maniac.

That's pretty much it. You don't need to somehow have a change of heart for both of these reactions. Cinder was in a vulnereble state, that much is true. And when people are in such a state, usually two things happen. Either they reflect on what got them here and change for the better, or they come back worse then ever, fully convinced things will be different this time. Adam and Cinder are a clear case of the latter. People who think Cinder can be redeemed bring up volume 4 up frequently, but when you really look at it...She didn't do anything that is redemption material, unless you count the following two things as being signs of redemption.

As for Azula, I gotta disagree. While certainly sympathic, she's currently running a cult that abducts children in order to make Zuko look like a bad leader. That's not exactly all that redemption-like.