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Quote from AWC 189.134.205.165 in "Shippers Unite (and Don't Squabble) - Thread 6!":

" 1. You say that you are not trying to make adam look invincible yet you dismiss any ideas about sun being stronger than adam at the slightest thing to the point you're claiming that because we don't know things like his hand ot hand combat then we can't get a conclusion but for some reason: adam is better than sun. Period. That was your answer.

And where did you get the idea that adam can use his semblance while moving? FOr all we've seen, adam needs to stand still while preparing his semblance and then using it. If adam can move while using his semblance then that pretty much means he can't use it against someone like sun therefor his semblance is useless against sun because adam would need sun to launch him an attack while he's prepare but given how fast the two are, i doubt either of them would have time to actually use their semblances meaning that the semblances won't make a difference in a battle between these two.

2. That is more like a special move than anything and it was also to show off. Similar to how weiss uses several spells in the white trailer that would be enough to end a lot of fights that she has lost in the volumes. Adam move fast in that scene but that doesn't mean he can move at the same speed everytime. After all, if that was the case then how come he had trouble dodging a lot of things like the laser of the spider droid? Adam is fast but not that fast and can't be as fast everytime. Also it means he moves fast but how does speed helps in a fight? What helps is reaction time and while adam can stop bullets, so can blake and sun so i don't see how that make adam a better figther than them?

3. so basically: adam is immune to tropes and is invincible again? yeah. good arguemnt dude.

4. With all due respect that sounds like a fan who is blinded by "he is the bad guy, he looks more badass and i like him better so he wins." I can't see your argument as more than that. "

1. I dismiss claims that Sun is a better fighter than Adam because nobody has provided anything that demonstrates that. Period.

We can't get a conclusion about who's better at hand-to-hand combat because we haven't seen Adam use it yet. It's entirely possible that Sun may be a better hand-to-hand fighter than Adam, but if Adam just blitzes through him with Wilt and Blush (because, as I have expressed prior to this, he's pretty damn fast), any hand-to-hand skill is going to prove worthless. Plus, Sun would have no reason to use hand-to-hand combat against Adam because of Adam's sword. If you're going to fight a super-fast guy who has a sword, I wouldn't recommend using punches and kicks. Hell, Sun didn't even resort to hand-to-hand against Roman, and a cane is a hell of a lot weaker than a sword.

I didn't get the idea from anywhere. I imagined Sun repeatedly striking Adam with the firey strikes from Ruyi Bang and Jingu Bang, who was standing still but moving the blade in order to gather energy, then unleashing it (of course, this whole idea might not even be possible for Adam, however). But, as I mentioned to another AWC in the last thread, I also don't consider it likely that either semblance would come in to play much in this fight.

2. Yes, it was clearly just a case of showing off, but it still constitutes a speed feat, since it helps demonstrate what he's capable of. Weiss is a bad example, since she's only lost one fight (the White Fang Lieutenant), and it was an asymmetrical fight where the two have very different fighting styles and she appears to have had no experience against any fighter like her opponent (but she was still dominating for most of the fight anyway).

He didn't have trouble dodging the laser of the spider droid because he didn't try. If you look carefully (at exactly 3:29 in the video) you can see him drawing his sword. Evidently, he had planned to use his semblance but was knocked back before he could anticipate the laser's full potential. You say that he can't move that fast all the time, but he seems to move at a pretty consistent speed while fighting during the trailer, so I'd suggest that he has a decent amount of stamina. "How does speed help in a fight"? Well, obviously if you move faster than your opponent it's going to be much harder for them to keep up with your attacks, and therefore put them at a severe disadvantage. I have argued and continue to argue that Adam is faster than Blake or Sun, so either of them would be at a disadvantage if they fought him.

3. That isn't what I said. I said that if Sun did win, it would be an example of a bad writing trope. I didn't say Sun wouldn't win if the narrative required him to (which would serve as the aforementioned bad trope), nor did I claim that Adam was invincible. Put Adam against Glynda and watch her wipe the floor with him.

4. That is untrue, first and foremostly because I prefer Sun as a character to Adam. From what we've seen, Sun is way more charismatic. Adam just seems to serve as an archetypal male badass, and as much as I love Garrett Hunter (his actor), I feel the voice he provides is kind of dull.

If that's all you think my argument is then I'm afraid that there's very little more that I can say to you.