Talk:Haven's Fate/@comment-70.164.250.74-20180125190747/@comment-25936766-20180126005237

Yes.....and this time Salem's plans failed hard. All thanks to Cinder.

At least back with Beacon, they managed to take down the CCT and take over Beacon, and she got the Maiden powers, even if she still got 1-shotted by the power of bullshit.

This time, they failed at everything. Haven's still standing, the heroes got the Relic, they lost their Fall Maiden, and they no longer have secure support from the White Fang.

All thanks to Cinder, something Watts himself warned her about. So chances are that if anyone mocks anyone for all that, it's still gonna be Cinder.