Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-34724302-20180408113750/@comment-24018437-20180411190734

Honestly? I agree with the people that despise Raven, or I can at least understand it. She has done a LOT of terrible things.

-Raiding numerous villages, in which she murdered innoscent and often defenseless civilains, including women and children. This in turn, resulted in Grimm attacks that slaughtered the survivors.

-Abondening her own daughter and leaving Taiyang depressed. I know she secretely watched over them, but still. Occasionally checking on them and not actually doing anything (aside from that one time she saved Yang’s life)

-She took in the Spring Maiden and killed her, claiming it was a mercy. Maybe it was, but still. Killing a young woman who trusted you is a terrible thing.

-Not caring when Yang lost her arm. Sure, she watched Yang through a window (although that also could have been Qrow. Does anyone know for sure?), but aside from that, not much.

-Trying to manipulate Yang into joining a band of killers and thieves, against her own family.

-Running a tribe of murderers and thieves, whom look down on the weak and aren’t hesitant to kill them off, even their own members.

-Luring Yang, her friends and her brother into a trap designed to kill them. Raven may have claimed afterwards that she knew Yang would survive, but she wouldn’t know for certain. She was willing to sacrifice Yang if it meant getting the Relic.

-She willingly, and knowingly, used Vernal as a decoy and sacrificed her. Raven does show regret at Vernal’s death and her dying obviously wasn’t part of the plan, but that’s exactly why Vernal was the decoy. So she would be killed instead of her in situations like these. I don’t care much for Vernal, but its not very morally right.

There is no other way around it. Raven currently is a bad person and mother. Does that mean she is therefore a bad character? Well, no. She’s still interesting and memorable. Does this mean she will somehow redeem herself and have a change of heart?

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C’mon guys, is there anyone out there who seriously thinks Raven won’t get a redemption arc? There is still hope for her. She’s probably one of my most disliked characters in the show currently, but that may change when we see how her redemption arc is handled.