Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34553226-20180504204625/@comment-4010415-20180710185330

TOSHIKI OVERLORD wrote: Raven vs Cinder: The battle was good, but it shows that it was made as a Fansercive for the CINDER HATERS. Your comment gives me the reason to want to see her again just to see Cinder suffer. Raven seemed to have Plot Armor and be a Mary Sue in the fight. For those who say "Raven won and humiliated Cinder because he had more experience". I can disprove that argument by mentioning other fights where one of the opponents had more experience and it did not look like a Mary Sue / Gary Stue in the battle with the Plot Armor. I've explained to you before that Raven was not overpowering Cinder, and Cinder was actually doing well in that fight, so no, it was not a fanservice fight with Raven having plot armor and being a Mary Sue.

Cinder and Raven were both hitting each other with equal strength, enough to break each other's swords. I've shown you before that Raven's swords broke multiple times throughout the fight, so Cinder's swords were not the only weapons being broken.

They were both putting up a good fight.

You had mentioned how Raven was able to slam Cinder up against the rocks. I pointed out that, directly after that, Cinder was able to propel herself off those rocks and slam Raven to the floor. So they both used their powers to slam each other against hard surfaces in that part of the fight.

You claimed that Raven spammed ice against Cinder to overwhelm and overpower her in the first part of the fight before the falling rocks, and I explained that she absolutely did NOT.


 * First use of ice - Raven made an ice spike on the floor that she could jump off of. That's it. That's the only time she used ice in the first portion of the fight.


 * Second use of ice - The giant ice sword, which Raven made in response to Cinder making a giant fire-and-rock sword. She and Cinder were on even ground with their giant swords. When they clashed these swords, it was a draw, neither of them won - meaning they were EQUAL.


 * Third use of ice - Freezing Cinder's feet to the floor so that Cinder would be hit by a falling stalagmite. She did this because Cinder had her pinned. Cinder had managed to get the upperhand. Raven was in a weak and vulnerable position. It's not like the falling stalagmite was out of nowhere. We had already seen one fall when Cinder and Raven's giant swords broke.


 * Fourth use of ice - She used ice Dust in her blade to make a path of ice to slide past Cinder, and... that's it. That's all she used that ice for, just stylishly sliding past Cinder.

Hell, they even both had their Aura flicker at the same exact time. If Raven was being such an overpowered Mary Sue stomping Cinder into dust, I'm pretty sure she would've done a much better job at curbstomping, but instead, she and Cinder were both putting up a good fight with each other.