Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-14138255-20161030153351/@comment-14138255-20161104223256

KNN005 wrote: WC-83 wrote:

@KNNO: They all had Aura since the beginning (except Jaune, who needed Pyrrha to activate it for him, though how he survived the landing even with Pyrrha's help is still a mystery). As Pyrrha's death had shown, without Aura, they are very killable/woundable (even if Ruby made it up the tower in time to stop Cinder, Pyrrha would never have been able to walk on her own again). Jaune survive the fall because Nikos threw her spear to save him by pinning him to a tree. And she'd be able to walk again, with the help and doctors fixing the wound and maybe a prosthetic.

The reason why I like separating heroes from their power now and then, it's to show, like WC-83 said, how tactical a hero can be when they can't rely on their powers. Superman is smart. Without his powers he would still be a reporter. And he's shown some detective skills. In fights weakened by Kryptonite and dying he's still outsmarted foes like Parasite right in the middle of them trying to kill him. Same goes for most heroes. They are not the summation of their powers. They have a mind. A will. Like Batman said in JL the series "I never give up." Heroes in anime and manga are heroes because the give a shit so much they know, powers or not, they still have to fight for the people who can't fight. And double that for their loved ones.

You try taking away Colossus' powers and then try kiling Kitty Pryde. I bet you he still comes at you. He'll just do it in a smarter way. Because he's weaker now, but no less a hero. Prof. X doesn't even need his powers. He's wise. Tony Stark could never by Ironman again, and he'd still be a fucking robotic genius.

All heros have more going for them than a fireball or laser eye or a healing factor. They're heroes because they keep trying powers or no. Yeah, falling after flying several hundered feet in the air and being saved by a flying spear travelling several miles per hour and having enough force to pin him against a tree after all of that. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop, and that was several sudden stops. But he didn't even break an arm (the most likely result I can see, best case scenario).

If anything, Superman would still be in Kansas. But that said, Superman gets an AMAZING moment in Justice League when he's teleported to the far future and has to survive. However, he is still not Batman in terms of intelligence, and if anyone attacks him with a gun he'd die. More true with Colossus: If Kitty Pryde is threatened and he tries to save her without powers, he'd probably die (again, gun, no steel). As for anime heroes, those examples are often thick idiot heroes who win because of the power of love, friendship, and constipated yelling, I hardly count it.

Persistence in the face of adversity is fine against (most) human opponents if you are exceptionally skilled and tactical, but against the eldritch abomonations that are the Grimm, normal people without Aura wouldn't have won.