Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-1216896-20180109233639/@comment-34012932-20180114020309

Did Ruby really injure Cinder?

Salem uses people, and is a weakened Fall Maiden with Grimm parts added and a plausible explanation for it more useful to her?

I thinks Salem could have just taken what she wanted from Cinder to motivate her best, replacing them with Grimm parts.

Now Cinder can accumulate more Maiden power without the glove and needs Salem but can't leave her mistress.