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DiegoAnime3000 wrote: It's not that simple. You can't waste your resources to teach a guy how to make lemonade and not profit from it. Again, how did it help Jaune in a way that the show has taken benefit from? Learning to back away when someone doesn't reciprocate didn't have anything to do with any of Jaune's actions in Volume 3. He already had everything he needed: His resolve to look after his team and Pyrrha's faith on him leaving an impact on their relationship. How does Weiss enter the picture? You said her involvement made him more mature and therefore it has importance in his future actions but how exactly? Examples, facts, suggestions, give me some of these. Pyrrha's case is a bit different but much more problematic. You're right about us gaining more insight on her character but the problem lies in how the show contradicts everything about it. Do we ever see people treating Pyrrha like a celebrity? We got to see SSSN's fanclub so naturally Pyrrha has her own but they treat her like an outcast because she's out of reach, right? No, we never watch Pyrrha experiencing anything of what she claims to be her background.

Weiss has the same problem. To assume the worst out of anyone directly contradicts  her growth in Volume 1 which was all about learning to not jumping onto the worst conclusions. Furthermore, it makes little sense in hindsight:  She's known him for half a year now and is aware of his obliviousness to the outside world yet she claims to be sure that, from the very beginning, he's been after her money? And don't forget Neptune. She's very cautious around guys because they always want to take advantage of her but the moment Mr. Pickup lines shows up, she completely drops her guard?

Plot holes. That's the problem. Too many plot holes created by a love triangle that was useful for only telling us why Pyrrha loves Jaune which was certainly necessary for Volume 3. But here's a question: Did it really need an entire arc? Couldn't just two or four minutes of Pyrrha being treated as the Pyrrha Nikos and then Jaune treating her like just Pyrrha do the trick?

And your argument about the whole thing is not weak. It's just not an argument at all. You can't excuse your errors by claiming you've made tons of errors in the past anyway so people shouldn't think much about it. Besides how arguable is your point. Maybe there is much more about the story that you think and you simply didn't notice how a lot of what happens have direct consequences.

This is rocket science, Kenichi. Maybe you can spare an episode to do a monster of the week and teach the characters a new lesson, show a new side of them and develop them a little more in a certain department. But never bringing all of these events in the future is NOT proper writing.

As for the proof. It's on the DVD commentary. I think it was around the part where Jaune flirts with Weiss for the first time. They talked about how they were planning to make it a running gag. OK, Jaune does profit from it in several ways. like i said it effected his maturity and the way he reflects upon himself and others. He definatly didn't have everything he needed. he still had a mentality of entitlement up until the resolution of this arc. this is adressed in the jaundice arc as well, but to a much lesser degree. he feels entitled to getting the girl, he believes that he should get her, and if she says no, hes just not trying hard enough. this is was a real problem with his mindset. the traingle with wiess taught him that he isn't entitled to anyones love or effection simply because he is nice, or he tries really hard. its a lesson that a lot of people in real life need to learn. and i fully believe this will help him in his future endevors from volume 2 on. you do see a shift in jaunes attitude in volume three. when he shifts his attention to pyrrha, he never sees himself as being entitled to her affection, true he didn't get enough screentime to really prove this, but i fully believe it will be showed to a greater extent in future volumes, especially if he starts getting into another romantic relationship of some sort down the line.

Pyrrha DOES get treated like a celebrety a LOT. she has her picture on a cereal box, she has been shown to be prectically undefeated, wiess treats her like a celebrety, especially calling out how jaune was talking to her. the only people that we ever see really interact with her are her team, team ruby, and ozpin's gang. her team is close to her because jaune never put her on a pedistal. pyrrha DIRECTALLY states that it was in large part thanks to him that she was able to make such good friends with team ruby and the rest of her team. jaune brought her down to there level, and they grew to know her as someone without a pedistal. however pyrrha states that pretty much no one else sees her this way. we never really see her interact with anyone else that much, but ozpin's gang treat her very differently than say jaune would. they all see her as thier shot to get a maiden back, and definatly put her on a pedistal of sorts. just listen to ozpins mologue about her in volume 3. it is true that we don't see any "fans" or admirers, but it should be noted that the team sunn fanbase were more interested in there looks then much else. or at the very least they emphasised there attractiveness. i don't see pyrhha atracting people like that to be fans of her. so no, i don't see anything problematic there at all, it sets up that shes put on a celebrety-esque pedistal, shows how jaune helps her forge close freindships regaurless of that, and doesn't really contradict that at all for the rest of her time alive. at WORST you can call it out for being to much telling, and not enough showing. which i do agree with, but with the time constrants and budget they had, i don't fault them TOO much for this.

also there isn't a problem with wiess's reactions at all. first of all, im sure many of her suitors have attempted to court her for long periods of time, so it isn't out of the question to assume that she thinks he's just commiting to it. secondly we have know idea how well they know each other. especially since he has a huge crush on her, most of his interactions with her were probably him attempting to flirt, or something along those lines. its shown that he knows ruby and yang much better, as they hang around and talk to him about it after wiess rejects him on at least 2 occasions. its not that hard to say that wiess never even tried to get to know jaune. (not that she was inclined to). next up, i would say that it doesn't really contradict her growth in volume one that much. she learns to accept blake for who she is, and realises that her being a faunis doesn't make her a bad person, same with her being in the white fang at one point doesnt automatically make her a bad person. but that kind of prejiduce is hard to unwire. it takes a lot more than that to go from "i assume the worst about people" to "yeah, im totally down to not judge anyone or assume anything about someone until i know them". i thought it was great to learn that she is still having a hard time undoing the instant assumptions and prejiduce, it makes her more real. and i hope its something that she keeps struggiling to undo.

" Maybe there is much more about the story that you think and you simply didn't notice how a lot of what happens have direct consequences."

sorry to quote you again, but this sentence i want to address directally, have you ever thought that this could equally apply to YOU as well? i think this sentance fits much better as a rebuttle to you assuming that the traingle served no purpose than to my nebulous claims of there being several instances of this happening.

I think that its pretty far fetched to say that none of this development will ever be used again in the series. as there is still plenty of time for them to show how it effected them.

also, ill just take your word for it then. i only own the third volume on DVD. like i siad though, my points still stand