Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181110034633/@comment-4141313-20181123083745

Okay, I'm going to assume you posted this on your phone hence no enter button.

But lets dissect this piece by piece.

MidnightOpal wrote: For the scene where they are bringing Ozma back between life and death multiple times....

You do get what the allusion is with Salem asking one god for something after the other told her no is right? Its an allegory to two parents and a child.

The child asked one parent for something, they were told no. They then asked the other parent for something, but didn't tell them they already asked the first parent, and are given it. Then one parent gets mad at the other and the two argue, only for the first to tell the second they already told the child no, and punish the child.

From that perspective, yes it is partly Salem's fault for not telling the God of Darkness she already asked the God of Light. But it is also partly the God of Darkness' fault for not conferring with the God of Light before reviving Ozma. If they truly wrote the rules together, wouldn't it make sense to confer with the other writer before making a decision that potentially breaks the rules? Yes, the GoD is impulsive, but he still should have spoke with his brother.

In addition, that would be if in the allegory, the child wanted a toy. But in this case, the allegory has the child want a pet. Ozma is the pet. To repeatedly kill and revive Ozma is the equivalent of taking the pet to and from the adoption center and giving it and taking it from the child repeatedly before finally leaving it there. So what the gods did was dickish because its comparable to a human killing and reviving a dog over and over again.

MidnightOpal wrote: The reason for the GoD...

This is something that means I must again make reference to my thoughts from last episode on Ozpin not trusting anyone.

"1 cat in a litter of 10 bit me while the others were all nice, so I hate cats now".

To judge the actions of a few as the behavior of the many is extremely flawed and idiotic. So because roughly three kingdoms worth of humans rebelled, not even half the planet if the panning shot of GoD wiping out humans is accurate, all humans are suddenly sentenced to die?

And what purpose are you on about? The Gods only created humanity as a way to end their feud and as an experiment, something GoL said himself, and Qrow said back in A Much Needed Talk.

God of Light: This planet... was a beautiful experiment.

Qrow: The older brother finally had enough. Knowing that their feud couldn't last like this forever, he proposed that they make one final creation... together, something that they could both be proud of, their masterpiece.

They had no purpose outside of that. To say they didn't fulfill their purpose is like saying you made a birdhouse, hung it up on a tree, watched as birds came and left it, then threw it in the woodchipper because it didn't fulfill its purpose.

MidnightOpal wrote: For the scene where they are bringing Ozma back...

Okay, now this is just being cynical.

Firstly, we have no idea if the GoD is even aware of the GoL reviving Ozma, seeing as he wasn't present for it and the GoL suspiciously tried fostering the blame onto him, and didn't mention him outside of that moment.

Secondly, yes, they wanted to teach her that life and death both have a purpose, and to disrupt one would disrupt the other. However, to say existance has no value seems rather bleak considering their is a confirmed afterlife here, meaning that existence doesn't end with death. They were trying to say that Life and Death are a part of living, and to disrupt that, then you aren't living, you're just existing. Which at this point, Salem and Ozma are pretty much doing. Salem through her curse, and Ozma through his deal with GoL.

MidnightOpal wrote: The gods aren't human they are gods....

This would be true if they were both omnipotent and infallible, like YHWH. However, they not only aren't infallible, they aren't omnipotent, or they would have realized what Salem would have done after cursing her, and they'd be punishing humanity for doing something they knew would happen.

Instead, they're more akin to the Greek Pantheon, in that they are humans in all but status. The Greek Gods are just as fallible and prone to mistakes as humanity, but only preside over humanity due to their power. They are not omnipotent, mingle with humanity without the need of being worshipped, and are known to be needlessly cruel at times.

Look at the story of Heracles. Heracles was born when Zeus came to Earth and disguised himself as a woman's husband, and had an affair on his wife/sister Hera. Hera found out and tried to send snakes to kill him, but saved himself and his brother Iphicles by strangling the snakes. Like the Greek Gods, the Brother Gods are beings greater than humanity, but only because of their power. Outside of that, they are remarkably similar to humans. They fight, they have the capacity for pity and sorrow, they can feel emotions in general and are fallible.

As for rebelling against the gods, not all beliefs require humanity be subservient to the gods. Again, looking at Greek Mythology, there was a beast known as the Ophiotaurus said to grant the power to kill a god to anyone who burned its entrails. The Titans tried to kill it before anyone else could, but Zeus managed to send an Eagle to claim its entrails, allowing Zeus to lead his rebellion against the Titans.

Later on in The Iliad, the Trojan commander Diomedes, a human, manages to not only would Aphrodite on his own, but, with aid of Athena after Apollo blinded him, stabs Ares in the gut and forces him to flee. He did that, to the God of War.

Even later, in the Greek Tragedy Alcestis, a retelling of the myth of Admetus and Alcestic, Heracles beats the crap out of Death so he can bring Alcestic back to life for Admetus. He beat the ruler of death up so he could revive someones lover! Sound familiar?

So, it is perfectly okay for the humans to rebel against the gods if they damn well please, because these gods are not their judge, jury, and execution, they were their creators and observers. To kill the army, thats fine because they were retaliating. Killing humanity? That's going to far. The Gods could have easily just abandoned the world like they did after, no one was forcing them to stay. If the humans didn't want them, they could have just left on their own without nuking the world.

In addition, the idea they can do whatever the hell they want to humanity just because they made humanity is a pretty fucked up idea, considering humanity are essentially their children. Are you saying its alright for a parent to kill a child because they fought with them? Just because they made us does not mean they can do whatever they want with us, God or not.