Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-36530241-20190622020624/@comment-36530241-20190622035212

In the AU her motivations aren't about wanting to be strong, feared and powerful. Instead she's an anarchist who wanted to expose Ozpin as being the one who controls the four kingdoms without anyone knowing (except his inner circle) Basically in her mind he focused so much on his "pointless war against Salem" and ignored the ordinary civilians who have been divided between the rich and poor. The poor were being kept down by the rich, corrupt society, while Ozpin himself had the power to help them, he just turned a blind eye. Cinder was once a slave to her step family after her mother died in childbirth and her father (a huntsman) killed by Grimm as he was sent on a suicide mission by Lionheart. Cinder at some point was rescued by Salem after she ran away from home, and told Cinder how flawed Life really is. Cinder however wanted to give life a second chance as there were many who were just like her. She believed that if the world was free of societies, then the poor will experience the freedom that was taken from them by the kingdoms and their rich hierarchy. Cinder wanted to make a world wide revolution against the upper class and even formed a shadow collective of criminals, thieves and terrorists who all seem to share her common goal. By using Salem's enchanted glove (that doesn't make her part Grimm), she must get all the maiden powers and fight both Ozpin and Salem (in the AU she ain't immortal, just very OP), because they are essentially the current gods of Remnant, and with them gone as well as the Grimm the world will flourish.

Also her backstory could have been shown in volume 3 and make her actually win the volume. It's only until volume 5 where she fights Raven and gets defeated, only to go back to the Vault and fight team rwby while she's enraged, and before she could kill them she's impaled in the back by a vengeful Jaune who tells her "this is for Pyrrha." Succumbing to her wounds she laments how her revolution has failed and tells team RWBY to stop Salem (she did planned on betraying her after all). Her last thoughts are Emerald and Mercury and as a result Emerald has become the new fall maiden, but seeing Cinder's dead body made Emerald lose her sanity and wants revenge against team rwby, Raven and Jaune.

That's all i have. Basically i wanted Cinder to actually have motivations that through some extent makes you think it's justified from a certain point of view and not "im a power hungry sexy grimm human hybrid." She's a villain who isn't really evil. Oh and she does apologize to Pyrrha for having to kill her, as she was completely influenced into becoming Ozpin's pawn.