Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180105193053/@comment-2001:8A0:D22D:9C01:B176:923C:A7D5:C341-20180108225834

KingFubuki92 wrote: Okay, since you don't like too long answers, I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

A) Yeah, they can be protective, but a Father being angry over his daughter is arguably more understandable than a sibling being mad at another sibling for dying based on a decision they made.

B) ..... Really? Maybe I misphrased it, but the point was he told it like that in the hopes it would prevent Oscar from sympathizing.

C) Nowhere is it said Hazel can't be stopped.

D) It's called despair.

E) I Before this episode, I did too. But after he overrided Oscar when he made clear he couldn't, I began having doubts, and on reconsideration, find more weight in Raven's claim. Qrow is blind in my opinion.

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1> I listed the villains because we see their perspectives.

2> You're mistaken. I never complained about Orihime, that was ChishioKunrin. I like Orihime, but can understand those who don't. I will deny the claim she is a Mary Sue however, since nowadays no one seems to know what the fuck that term really means.

And yes, characters need to be developed if they expect us to give a damn when their lives are on the line. Just look at Scarlet and Sage.

3> Except her death would add nothing to the narrative. A character death should only occur if it provides for the narrative, or provides for character motivation. What would Vernal dying add? Just having Raven suffer. And no, it wouldn't add Raven joining the heroes, since she can just as easily do that if Vernal lives.

Jaune has already closed Weiss' wounds, so soon Weiss will be better, he's just restoring her aura right now.

1. Because no one ever talks about the soul, they only ever talk about the Maiden Powers.

2. No, it would be bad storytelling if it wasn't a curbstomp battle. I don't mind long answers, I just think we're going to fill this and everyone else is going to die of boredom.

A and B) Father and daughter can be very different than siblings, but also can be pretty similar. From the story being told, I immediately assumed Hazel was sort of a father figure even if he was just her brother. I don'0t think he did it for Oscar not sympathize. What if Oscar did even more? Again, would he let Hazel kill him? Killing Oscar would punish him not Ozpin, since he's coming back to life either way.

C) Qrow didn't manage do anything to Hazel, so stopping Hazel will be pretty difficult.

D) Are you joking? It's pretty different a training mission going wrong and actually being killed by a jackass who thinks his pain is above everyone else. Not to mention, that he's taking part in Salem's plan (whether he agrees with her end goal or not is irrelevant - I care about actions), which has led to innocent people who aren't huntsmen dying. I don't care about his despair, you are willing to kill hundreds, thousands, millions - then, I have no sympathy for the devil. If we all turned super evil if we had been through a tragedy, the world would be nothing but chaos and hell.

E) I don0t really remember Ozpin saying he could only control Oscar if Oscar let him, but honestly, even if he did, I just don't find it relevant. People lie all the time, even accidentally. That lie is just not a big deal.

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1>  "obviously, I was not referring to the villains, since those go without saying - without them, there’s no story to tell". And it's not like they're super developed either.

2> You're right, it wasn't you. She is a Mary Sue and the biggest one I've encountered, but I am not going into as to why. If I start complaining about Bleach, neither of us is leaving alive, because the discussion would last forever.

No, I don't care about the rest of team SSSN. I don't even care about Sun, let alone the others who barely had lines. Clearly, being just in the main cast isn't good enough for me to develop an attachment. You actually have to develop your characters if you want me to care. That's why less characters who are developed is a lot better, to me anyway. You don't need to care about every supporting character. You need to care about their cause - if you do, then, you care about them failing or not.

I didn't say Tai is a supporting character, I said it's ridiculous that he isn't. 1) His daughters are fighting and it's very likely they'll die (ok, not in the story because plot armor, but he's not supposed to know that, unless he's deadpool and if he's deadpool then I want him a lot more in the story); 2) Summer probably died fighting for Ozpin, one would think he would want tomake sure his daughters don't suffer the same fate; 3) He's a much better fighter than them, or at least, he should be. So yeah, I find it ridiculous that one of their most competent allies is being ignored, because... reasons.

As for the potential for drama, he has the potential for it that the writers are willing to give him, pretty much like every character. It's not like Qrow has been developed either.

3> Ok, this is just theories. Raven can join the heroes whether Vernal lives or dies and there's no more incentive for her to join them if she lives, since Vernal wasn't pushing for her to join them. Vernal was there to confuse the audience and villains - if that was the only purpose, that's perfectly acceptable. I get it: you like her, and I don't care about her. Are you intending to change my mind about her? Only RT can do that and I don't much faith. As for " A character death should only occur if it provides for the narrative, or provides for character motivation." I disagree, a character can die and should die if they have fullfilled their purpose. Also her death could provide motivation for Raven, you're just hoping it doesn't, because you want her around.

As for the rest, Raven has way more potential for drama than Vernal whether with Qrow or Yang - this is not even a matter of opinion. As for Weiss: 1) Raven still kidnapped her, 2) I don't think Vernal conversation was all that mean - she told Weiss her sister was no longer in Mistral (which only happened after the guys started laughing at her); 3) Weiss had to fight someone and obviously they were going to fight at least until one of them broke their aura - that's something Weiss accepted to do. And I'm not denying Vernal has potential for drama, like I said: it's all in the writers' hands. Personally, I prefer they explore what they have made before Vernal.

As for Jaune, how long will it take to cure Weiss? What are Vernal's injuries? Lungs? Stomach?Liver? inferior vena cava? Portal? Abdominal aorta? Pancreas? Mesenteric arteries? Also, would Cinder just let Raven grab Vernal and ran?

Pyrrha's soul would fuse with Amber's, and that's how the maiden powers would transfer. I don't remember - I know they are linked.

Yes, Raven has had her maiden powers for at most 9 years, meaning she could have them for a lot less than that. Cinder managed to take down Ozpin. Sure, maybe Ozpin let himself be killed, but still. Also, you mention portals in a curbstomp battle and bird form? Seriously, the portals can allow her to escape, not to win. And her bird form should be easy to target when you have Maiden powers. Also learning about someone's secret weapon doesn't mean you cannot be afflicted by it. Unless this is Rurouni Kenshin, and attacks only work once because you learn from it immediately after seeing it once.