Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-70.164.250.74-20180315191229/@comment-2001:8A0:D21E:E301:38ED:BDD3:B4F7:B3C-20180316222553

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: 2001:8A0:D21E:E301:38ED:BDD3:B4F7:B3C wrote: 1) But your point was that he would be more accepting. Why? Because he's a Faunus. If the WF are so bad, he should maybe hate them more than humans, since they make Faunus look bad. 2) And they are clearly willing to attack Faunus too. Not only humans died during the fall of Beacon. And before that, Adam was willing to blow up a train, did he check only humans would be on that train?

3) I explained why it's bad writing on Blake's part. It's her fucking REACTION to it, that makes it bad writing. Seriously, a girl who has an obsessed ex-boyfriend who wants to destroy everything she loves sees no problem with a guy who is more than willing to make his life around her and follow her without her consent or respecting any boundaries? Really? Do you think a real person would act like Blake?

4) Why the fuck are you ignoring my argument and trying to dismiss it as just Sun is a badly written character, so everyone else's reactions to him can't be badly written?

5) But fine, want another example: Blake's super paranoid in the beginning of V4, then suddenly she's not.

6) And it can't be because she's in Menagerie, it seems to me Menagerie would have a lot more risks than boats, having WF members and all.

7) Slapping is bad and still doesn't undo Sun's actions.

8) Adam was probably not always an asshole. At least, Blake clearly didn't always think so. For all we know Sun's Adam's beginning.

9) I know it's not going to be because writers won't make it, but in real life, that romance would probably not end well and the fact that Sun stalked her should be completely unacceptable and not brushed off by saying it was done with "not evil intentions".

10) Adam was probably not always evil and there were probably signs of his obsession with Blake during the relationship (maybe even before), and she ignored them all.

11) Not for a second I believe Blake or Sun are actually in love with each other.

12) Also, still no reason to get on boat. Furthermore, Sun's family is in Vacuo and Sun was in Beacon when the fall happened. Seriously, family not a priority, especially when there's no communication between kingdoms? Seriously?

13) I get it, you like Sun. 1) And he does hate them more than humans. I never even suggested the contrary. Granted, "hates them more than he hates humans" is not quite precise; he doesn't hate humans at all. Hardly even showed some anger at Torchwick....who was attacking Blake at the time, so some anger is justified.

They might both be creepy stalkers, but Sun is an actual nice guy. Adam is not. Obviously, she won't treat Sun as if he was just like Adam.

4) Because all you did was talk about what Sun did and never even mentioned Blake's "reaction" until now.

5) It's true that the paranoia goes away after that episode. But Blake does remain notably irritable for the entirety of Volume 4, and not as tolerant of what Sun was doing.

6) Rewatch Vol.4, you forgot how Blake and Sun were shocked to find Ghira talking with WF members. If WF had always been present in Menagerie, then surely Blake, who lived there, wouldn't have been so surprised. She probably would've gone elsewhere, since she wasn't there to deal with the WF originally.

7) I never said it did. I said that the slaps made it clear that Blake was not OK with what Sun did.

8) According to RT, actually, Blake and Adam's relationship was abusive. Blake often talked about Adam as if he was anything but an asshole prior to Vol.3, which itself is in line with how victims of abusive relationships talk about their partners.

9) No. In Real Life it would be tolerated, though likely reprimanded and questioned. Sun is a nice guy, not some guy who must state it out loud to make it "believable". Yes, he stalked Blake across Sanus and to a boat to an island far away, which is questionable, but the fact that he does care about her makes it easier to tolerate than with the average "nice guy".

It doesn't make Black Sun bad per se. What it does do, however, is speak volumes about how much character Sun has beyond "BLAKE".

10) That is more in line with how Blake and RT spoke of him. He wasn't always that bad, but for whatever reason(s) he became more and more radical and insane and edgy and silly.

11) You would have to be quite blind then, because the show is literally filled to the top with scenes that make it clear that Sun has affections for Blake, and Blake returns the feeling. At least until Sun in Vol.4 pissed her off twice. And then recovered once he stopped being such an intrusive idiot.

12) True, with lack of communication Sun should care a bit more about his friends and family. But he's all "BLAKE". Which is Sun's prime problem: He's nothing without her, his entire character orbits around her.

Doesn't hurt the ship itself. It hurts him.

13) I like Sun, but you're acting as if I loved him with all my being. I don't. If I did, I would be completely dismissing and rejecting his stalking of Blake across a whole country without giving a damn about his team. 1) - 4) What I meant was he should hate the WF more than humans hate the WF, not that Sun hates humans. Also, when in V1, Weiss is throwing insults to WF members, Yang says that's not necessarily true, so clearly there are several opinions about the WF, not all black and white.

Again, you still don't know how Adam was in the beginning. Stalking is creepy behavior and a sign of obsession, not love. So, no, it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Yes, I did mention Blake's reaction right in the beginning: "Blake: because she has an obsessed ex-boyfriend, so the fact that Sun is willing to follow her without respecting her wanting boundaries should be a red flag to everyone, but especially to someone with her past"

I suppose I could have said and her only reaction was slapping him which I found totally unreasonable, but, to me, I thought that it was pretty heavily implied that I thought her reaction was awful and unbelievable for someone with her past.

5-7)

As for being shocked, she clearly states that WF there don't wear masks, which pretty heavily indicates that at any given point, WF can be in Menagerie and she's aware of that. My point is that Blake's behavior changes without reason and it does. And yes, it's bad writing, or, more specifically, bad characterization.

10) Sorry, no such thing as "good stalking". Again, sign of obsession, which doesn't tend to be good or end well.

11) No, I just don't think affection=love. So far, I consider them to have a crush. And certainly nothing that can justify Sun's behavior (although love wouldn't do the trick either).

12) And you're free to think it doesn't hurt the ship, but for me to get behind a ship, the characters have to be characters in their own right (there have been exceptions I suppose, but for most part, this is true).