Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190321051948

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

1. She has lied plenty to get people on her side...

2. A. Your whole argument here is basically that she is a moron or that we don't know she isn't a moron so she could be one. Her first plan to defy the gods didn't work out, but she didn't go and try again. The second plan to replace old humanity with her new humanity would seem to have failed.

2. B. That could be her plan, but even then we would have to presume her minions would have no problem gambling on the possibility Salem is so persuasive that the gods don't smite all their asses.

3. Look, it is fair to say by the end of this series, if there is some big epic attack on Salem's home or she launches some big epic attack, that people will know about her. Fair to point out a lot of people have been manipulated by her as well, including everyone who is treating Atlas like the enemy. Cinder would be one of many people manipulated and playing a crucial role in turning the tables would give her some favor.

4. Hard to see them stretching this out 20 seasons. As I said, though, Hazel is like the obvious save, Tyrian is probably the one who is least likely to be tolerated. If he lives, then he will almost certainly be an outlaw or in prison. Watts is hard to judge without knowing more, but he doesn't strike me as the type to turn good whatever his motivations.

1. since you haven't been paying attention, I must direct you towards the early volumes... her MO has changed drastically, that should tell you she's trying something different, like involving a level of honesty she never has before.

2. A. you are straw-manning my argument entirely, I'm not saying she's a moron, I'm saying she's a nearly godlike being who has become especially arrogant because absolute power corrupts absolutely, she has a history of asserting this arrogance since even before she was made the last of her kind, so while she hasn't become so much more powerful she can destroy them, she likely thinks she can.

2. B. I'm not asserting she told her scrubs about their involvement, they frankly don't need to know about the gods until right before she summons them if ever.

3. Is it? just how much anime have you watched? the secret organization saving the world rarely gets revealed to the public, even during/after the apocalypse, they don't need to know about Salem to know the world is ending, much as humanity 1 had no fucking clue the gods were about to destroy them because a girl with a deathwish got a few kingdoms to rebel.

Even if they did know it would change nothing.

If the people of Kazakhstan saw Osama bin Laden save the world from a devil, would the US have stopped hunting him on their word said devil existed? Not a chance.

4. 20 is the number they've always stated, believe what you will, but that's WoG. I don't doubt Tyrian will die, but I think you wholly over-estimate the # that need to live, and 50% being remotely believable far outstrips necessity.