Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180120015359/@comment-2001:8A0:D23A:9E01:201D:DE3D:91BE:D62F-20180121112741

128.62.68.159 wrote: Look Fubuki, I know that they still need to git good. I never said that it didn't matter since they won, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the way they ultimately won. The lesson learned is that they can't do this shit without help and without letting others in. Yes, they ultimately need to get stronger, and the training they recieved prior to the battle wasn't enough (it was barely a month of hardcore training), but still, it's not a BAD win or not a victory. I also acknowledge that there are improvements that must be made for the next time around. I think Fubuki has explained the situation well, even if we disagree on how things should be fixed. So I want to add that Qrow and Oz knew Haven would be the next target right after Beacon and they didn't prepare. That one is more on Qrow than Ozpin since the latter was still trying to convince Oscar. They should have more allies than just kids. They walked into a trap completely unprepared and though they couldn't have predicted Raven and Vernal, they knew Leo, Cinder, Merc and Em work for Salem and would probably be there. They also knew Salem has other minions like Tyrian who took 4 of those kids down not long ago without even trying. They also knew the WF was there during the fall of Beacon and that they would probably be in Haven too.

I didn't expect them to become strong in 1 month. They could never even become close to adult villains level in 1 month, unless this is some crappy shonen where the main characters learn special techniques and grow in power in a really short period of time. As much nostalgia I feel for DBZ, I know it sucks in many ways - and that is definitely one of them. I expected RWBY to be better and not pull a miraculous becoming super strong in a short period of time, but if they are going to be so much weaker than the villains, they should at least be smart. Instead in a battle where the odds are really not in their favor, we still had Weiss trying to summon 2 times after knowing Vernal wouldn't let her, and one of those times she had her back turned to Vernal, which is really dumb. Even I know that's a huge mistake and I've never been in a fight, let alone one where my life is at stake.

They also should have come with a strategy and they should definitely have more allies rather than just kids. I get that they're the main characters, but Ozpin having no apparent allies besides Qrow, the headmasters and Glynda makes him come across as a complete idiot who is fighting a battle way out of his league rather than being cautious (which is what CRWBY tries to convince us Oz is). Salem's ok with having allies and she should have a harder time convincing others to join her than Oz.

In the end, this fight was won because of dumb luck, not because the heroes actually deserved it. Strangely enough, I could actually get on board with that if they actually had prepared. For example, if they brought one or 2 adults with them. They could have been killed by the villains during the fight, for example, maybe while trying to protect one of the kids, but at least, it would mean the heroes had actually prepared and weren't just dumb enough to walk into an obvious trap completely unprepared. Instead, before the fight even started, we knew that it would be a clear win for the villains if we weren't aware of Blake coming and Raven not really being of Salem's side. But once again, we, the audience, knew that, the heroes didn't