Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181124081953/@comment-25936766-20181127235339

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: 1) What I meant by fine control is non-battle situations.

1.1) In battle, she obviously would prefer to use more powerful objects,

1.2) but this is more of a parlor trick type thing that doesn't require that level of power.

2) Yes the excuse of not going (all) out works,

2.1) Cinder was going at so little of her power that any success of Neo's, while impressive in its own right, is meaningless.

2.2) Cinder wasn't in any real danger of losing, despite being thrown around and hit because no time did Neo land critical damage or knock her out, and she couldn't actually dent her aura or anything. 1) Yeah, no. No you didn't.

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: Also, when would she have an opportunity in battle to show off her finer control? Nowhere.

You literally mentioned the idea of showing off her finer control of Dust in battle. Don't try to save face with any "non-battle situations" bullshit.

1.1) She used Dust. It's the same kind of object she always uses.

1.2) Power is irrelevant here, we're not talking about power, we're talking about control. If Weiss can manipulate Dust that well without her Glyphs, then why did she always use said Glyphs whenever she did even the tiniest and simplest Dust projectile? That's the question.

2) No, no it doesn't, because literally every other time we've seen Cinder not going all-out, she at least bothered to use a sword, something she's good with.

Let's consider this: She used a sword against Jaune, but didn't bother doing the same with Neo until after Neo kicked her out the window. Are you telling me, that Cinder bothered to use more of her power against Jaune than against Neo?

Then why would she do that? Why would she put more effort, energy and power % against Jaune than against a skilled criminal who was dancing around her for nearly the entire fight?

That's why that fight gives me the same vibes as Merc trying to punch Ruby. They have the character use something different from what they're great at just to have someone else look better.

2.1) Yeah, no. Cinder didn't seem like she was just playing around with those punches and kicks, especially her fire punch from the ceiling. And Neo still avoided all of her attacks while landing multiple ones.

At the most cynical bare minimum, that fight shows that Neo is a lot better than Cinder at CQC and close-range combat, leaving aside the Maiden powers that now look more like a crutch.

2.2) She still got danced around and made to look like an idiot, not being able to land a single tiny hit while Neo keeps hitting her here and there.

Sure, Cinder could've won easily the moment she used the Maiden powers, but the fact I described in the previous sentence, again, make those powers look like crutches more than anything. Without them, Cinder would've stood no chance at all.