Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27404492-20170511131216/@comment-141.134.109.210-20170619204816

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

141.134.109.210 wrote:....... You need to learn how to use the Enter button, or at least divisory lines. Your post is nothing but walls of text.

Look, your point fails on 1 account:

"Now think to your fallen foes! The ones who forced you to push past where you were, and become who you are now."

The user must first kill the enemy, and said enemy must have pushed them to their limits and forced them to grow. Meaning just killing anyone doesn't work, and there's no such thing as a "special bond".

With Weiss, that was the Knight, and to a lesser extent the Boarbatusk. For Winter, maybe that flock of tiny birds was her first Grimm encounter.

So for Whitley to summon a Boarbatusk, he must have killed one himself while at the same time being pushed by said Boarbatusk. Just pinning one down would not allow him to summon one.

And where the hell would he fight a Boarbatusk in Atlas, and how the hell would he kill one at a younger age than Weiss, and with less or likely no combat training and experience? It's bullshit, and trying to argue it as a possibility only makes one sound more desperate.

The same with his skill at Summoning. Winter is twice his age, graduated from Atlas. She went to a Huntsmen Academy, she fought, she grew, she trained and developed and became an Atlesian Specialist. Whitley doesn't even like the idea of fighting to begin with.

So thinking he could've developed Summoning, in secret, to the extent he's miles better than his sister who actually graduated from an Academy, would be severe bullshit. You make some decent points.

I did a bit of research and found this on the wiki about the the semblance of Weiss Schnee. "According to Winter, members of the Schnee family are able to summon foes that they have previously defeated in combat and bring them to fight for their side."

If we use this way of describing the Schnee semblance then there is a chance. What is combat? If Whitley kills a couple of Grimm from a safe position with let's say a sniper then the boy has technically performed combat hasn't he? Combat is not necesarilly something 'fair', in fact any smart opponent will try to get as many advantages over their opponent(s) as possibe.

How would he get some Grimm? I explained that already in my previous post. I am guessing you couldn't read it due to 'the wall of text' as you described it. If Jacques got a nice big suit full of artificial Grimm (see Manga) to fight his daughter why wouldn't he humor his son? We know he is creating artificial Grimm, so why not allow his son to test their durability. His son can get potential summons and he gets to test how durable those Grimm are. Since professor Port managed to capture a Boarbatusk why shouldn't a man as powerful as Jacques Schnee be capable of getting some specimens for such purposes?

Now you're probably wondering what stuff (bullshit) do I have to justify the "Think of your fallen foes, the ones that forced you to push past who you were and become who you are now." part. My answer is the following. Weiss sucks at summoning and those kind of foes are presumably the easiest to summon. Similar to how parents might put assistance wheels on a bike to assist kids whilst learning how to ride a bike.

You don't need those wheels to drive a bike, they just help for balancing until the kid can do it without them. Same with summoning, perhaps it becomes easier ones you've managed to do it a few times. Having a bond with a certain foe can make it easier to summon them.

If Whitley somehow figured out how to summon or he has a natural talent for it then he could perhaps (notice I say perhap) compete with Winter or even surpass her. You make good points about Winter going to specialized schools and now let me ask you this question. How much did she learn in Atlas academy, in the military about how she needs to summon?

Considering semblances are pretty unique I don't think they got a special class for summoning. She has plenty of experience and learned plenty of things no doubt in matters such as how to use weapons, how to maximize Aura moves, combat techniques, Grimm studies, wilderness survival, actual combat and a lot of other stuff. She is without a doubt the overall superior combatant between herself and her brother.

However none of those things would have helped her a lot with her summoning. That would be something she would need to learn herself. Teachers can say that or then would be fine moments for a summon to attack or distract an opponent, but unless they can summon theirselves at most they could give some basic tips where to search within her aura to make it easier.

Once you figure out how to make a summon appear all you need is a book or an internet connection and you could probably do a decent job schooling yourself in some basic stuff.

Besides that's only assuming he did it completely on his own. Keep in mind the kid probably had private tutors and not to mention perhaps on a good day he managed to convince his mother to teach her son some summoning. Even alcoholics sometimes have good days and if his mother was a Huntress or at least decent with the family semblance than a bit of bonding time with her son could be pleasant or if she likes using her semblance than teaching her son could be the ideal excuse to put the bottle down for half an hour or so and relive the good old days until she needs another drink.

@Arkantos95  I went back and looked at that part. Whitley doesn't like Huntmen or Huntresses, he isn't jealous of his sisters abilities and he finds Weiss her training pointless. That's the gist basically.

First point. you don't need to be a huntsman to have a good reason to want to learn a semblance as usefull as the Schnee one.

Secondly if he is the better summoner and he only cares about summoning than logicaly he isn't jealous. Besides both of them aren't heirs anymore to a massive corporation even if he doesn't have a Semblance it's kinda hard to beat that. Their abilities didn't help them a lot when they were desinherited.

We can say for the third reason that he knows Weiss is training because she is up to something. "Enjoy your training however pointless it is. Tell me what do you think to accomplisch while trapped in your own..." Perhaps he sees whatever plan she has as foolish and thus any effort spend into trying to make it work is automatically pointless as well.

Also deliberatly misinterpreting? I think I am still giving decent explanations to support my reasoning.

However perhaps I am wrong and he's not having a developed semblance. I would be fine with that. So long as the make him a competent antagonistic character I am all for it.

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