Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31883133-20180114001435/@comment-34633327-20180114033959

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: The main problem with your logic though....is, first of all, that you are butthurt towards Ozpin, for whatever reason. You despise him and paint him as a lying, manipulative demon. Basically, you sound just like Cinder when she fought Ozpin, "she was right about you".

............And in the process you dismiss the fact that even if Ozpin could be biased, so could Hazel. Honestly, I would take someone like him saying Ozpin killed Gretchen with a mountain of salt. Okay, you want the truth SYUTK. I don't despise Ozpin, I want him to not be a damn cliche! The present him as this wise headmaster that isn't infallible but could be a bit shady, yet all I see is some good guy that makes dumb decisions, with no layers of complexity to himself whatsoever. He's just the cliched wise old mentor to me. I want him to have layers, to have flaws outside of dumb decisions, moral quandry's, you know, not be just every other damn mentor. He actually is practically Roku or Obi Wan now! He's the wise older figure the hero turns too in order to gain guidance, was at one point the big good, manages to live on after his death, and only has the best of intentions for people. Give him some flaws! He was and still is human right? Show some anger! Show some greed! Show a past!

If you say I want him to be a lying manipulative demon, first off, you don't know what I actually want then, cause I want him to be a hero that does less heroic things for the greater good, to have sacrificed others and become blind to what he is doing. Second off, I wasn't painting him as manipulative here! I was saying he has a flawed memory! I would know about flawed memories, seeing as how half the time I tend to forget what the hell I did the day before, and have to actively search my own memories just to remember something from a week ago.

I want a real character, not a copy and pasted archetype I'm tired of seeing. RWBY can do this. Weiss seems like the stereotypical Alpha bitch/Tsundere? She drops it by volume 2. Jaune seems like the dork with no talent that will become an awesome badass by series end? He's a tactician and healer. Ren seems like the token quiet/emotionless guy with the energetic friend? He's just too tired half the time and has his own weird quirks.

I liked Ozpin in Volume's 1-3 because they seemed to be painting a layer of mystery to him, that there was something about him less than heroic, that he was, underneath it all, an ordinary man like anyone else. Yet nope! He's this leader who people can trust completely and the few that don't are written off as evil or crazy, and has a bad habit of making stupid decisions. I want to like Ozpin again the way I used too. But to me, right now, Ozpin is one of the weaker aspects of RWBY.