Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-1446360-20180425054743/@comment-24018437-20180425114435

Indeed. But here's the thing: WHY do people view her that way? Qrow disowned her because Raven tried to KILL him and his friends, including his nieces! That is a VERY good reason to disown someone. And the reason her family chewed her out? She deserved it. Raven did a lot of terrible things, and she needed to hear them. Otherwise, she would have just continued on her current path and I think we can all agree that wouldn't have been good.

And the tribe doesn't view her as a 'loser' at all. She's a very powerfull leader who has led them through times. She isn't an outcast among her own people. If anything, she is greatly admired and respected by them. Hence why I compared Raven and Qrow to Zuko and Azula in an earlier post. In this scenerio, Raven is very much like Azula, yet you seem to think she has more in common with Zuko. If anything, the tribe would view Qrow as an outcast and loser. NOT Raven.

As for you hearing this speech...Well, if you actually got a speech that is similiar to the one Raven received, then that explains a heck of a lot why you sympathize with her. And I don't mean that in a good way. I really, really don't mean that in a good way. As 73.Anon.52 said, this is starting to become...unhealthy. And if you imply that you got that speech because you did similiar things as Raven, then I am now officially concerned for the people in your immidiate surroundings.

Stop acting like Raven is some misunderstood victim. Because she isn't. She made these choiches. She stuck to them, she defended them and she only showed regret ONCE for a very brief moment, and she deserved it. Raven made mistakes and she's paying for it. Will she redeem herself or reform? Maybe. But the fact remains that she hasn't been a good person or even a misunderstood anti-hero at this point. If she truly wants to reform, then she'll need to swallow her pride, suffer and be kicked of her high horse. Ruby, Yang and Qrow won't just instantly forgive her because she says 'sorry'. She will need to work HARD for it.

And even then...While you may be in a similiar position to Raven, I actually knew people like Raven IRL. While I won't go into details, I had to ACT like I was sad at her funeral. That woman almost destroyed my family, and while she did say 'sorry' for it, she never worked for her forgivness. Thus, I never gave it to her. Raven almost tore apart Ruby and Yang's family, and you act like its not a big deal. Like somehow, they are the one's to blame.

Sorry if especially the last part got personal, but...Yeah, I fully admit I am somewhat biased and sensetive when it come's to these matters.