Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-27082610-20170729051211/@comment-27618538-20180219043150

@Zoeblo: It has flexibility and actually, not as OP as you would think- especially when I started to imagine some scenarios which I’ll bring up shortly.

@Blu3 Fir3 – V2.0: The power scaling is high as are the numbers, but those are at the peak/absolute best. Truthfully, the sets of calculations are with the following in mind which I thought I had included previously, but they wound up getting deleted in the fury post of mine- go figure.

I’m also not sure if I explained this clearly- probably didn’t, but at tier 3, she is putting her entire enhancement power into a singular stat- all x 25 into just speed/strength/etc. So while she would be striking at a fearsome 152.5 m/s, her punches are only carrying around 750 lbs of force, as well as her kicks only being around 800 to 950 lbs of force, possibly.

If she’s at tier 1, then she can deliver some fast 30 m/s blows with about 3,500 lbs of impact force, for a fair amount of time and while tanking some strong blows herself. A bit OP, yes- until one begins thinking about the other Semblances out there- Yang’s for example, is probably the first and biggest counter to Cross- and this is addressing @SYUTK.

Maximize Flux biggest strength is the enhancement limit, x 25- for one attribute- only a single one. That is also the huge weakness of it; to cap out at maximum level, there are pretty much no other boosts beyond whatever aura and training affords- and I do mean just whatever martial arts/huntsman training one has. Again, no exact idea of the actual factor that aura boosts one’s fighting abilities, but I doubt it’s as high as some of us think.

(I hope we can get a rough idea of that factor, I feel like it’s about 2.5 to maybe 3 or 4 x for someone like Yang, Adam, and Lie Ren. I don’t know with Nora, but I presume she’s a strong woman period because of the strength required to use a war hammer.)

Probably will go back and fix the wording- admittedly, trying to nail the exact description without any confusion is always a task I find, anywho.

Now then.

The calculations I gave, are of male fighters- so I did scale down the numbers for Cross- and that’s assuming she’s at young adult age- around 22 to 26 years old. The high end spectrum, is assuming that Cross is at the age and level of your more renowned martial artists; Donnie Yen, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Michael Jae White, etc, which to me, is at least 32 to 38 years old for one’s prime and peak.

Her actual numbers- would be less, something that wound up getting deleted while attempting to get my thoughts and argument together- that’s anger and irritation at critical shots at one’s ideas coming forth. We all spend some fair amount of time on our ideas, we prefer to have some constructive critique instead of some rude critical tear down.

Anyways.

I write Cross Vermillion typically at either age 17 to 19, so with that in mind, and using the previous examples as some guidelines, she’d average about 2.5 m/s striking speed- standing. Even with her maximum boost, she’s capping out at about 50 m/s average- that’s at her full x 25 enhancement- which is all of her Semblance boost- everything else, whatever boost is afforded by plain aura (again, assuming that’s around a 2.5x average), at a base average striking cap of 425 lbs to 500 lbs punching strength, kicking strength of about 75 lbs- and probably a low speed vehicle impact as far as knee strikes go (Muay Thai is an essential for Cross- and it’s amusing to think of her kneeing someone hitting on her, and making them collapse).

Saitama is a gag character- so it actually tickles me that you use him as an example- overpowered he is, true- though he’s also the average joe just trying to keep himself occupied with being a super-hero and doesn’t care about much else really. I do like the fact that you used All Might with his One for All and Izuru using One for All Full Cowl- because that helps make this a bit clearer.

Cross cannot achieve anything beyond the 5/10% Full Cowl- without dropping her boost to one of her other attributes. I’ll probably need to go back and correct it after this hash-out is done; her total maximum for enhancement boosts, is x 25- at all times. Even if she were to focus on just two stats, she would either split it evenly into a 12.5 x for the two or do an uneven split, to grant her an edge in one stat. The x 25 boost on the other hand, is an all or nothing gamble, and if she miscalculates, she can find herself easily getting punished horribly for it.

The sensory perception boost is a passive; pretty much, she can process sensory information better and actually keep up with herself better when moving at the x 5 and higher speed levels.

Now for SYUTK once more, striking force doesn’t actually equal overall speed- which I believe you are assuming. Reflecting upon the scenarios of Cross against team RWBY, individually, here are the actual thoughts I have on Semblance comparison- I won’t go into combat, because then that’s just opening up the other case of worms.

Now, straight up Semblances- Ruby’s Speed v Cross’ Maximize Flux…

Actually, no, I don’t consider Cross as able to surpass Ruby in terms of speed- even if Cross is using her x 25 single attribute boost. Her striking speed doesn’t necessarily equal her dashing speed- which I presume is what you are focusing on- that’s just the speed of her punches, kicks, etc. Ruby can dash out of the way- and Cross would be hard-pressed to try and keep up- burning up her endurance in the process; she’s not going to make it at tier 1, tier 2 she has a better shot- but probably won’t, and tier 3- is the closest she can get to nearing Ruby’s speed- after a good few precious seconds if not more- and by then, would not Ruby already be going onto the attack? Yes, she would be.

I do see you recognize that Maximize Flux doesn’t boost all stats at once- good, glad we are both on the same page. Now, since when does a mountain give out against 11,250 lbs of impact force from a punch? She’d probably break some knuckles attempting it- honestly, and I should know considering it’s my character. Against another human, she’s going to deal some damage- on a civilian- though against a huntsman, the force is obviously reduced- I know that, though she is still dealing out some heavy and powerful blows. I’d like that to be recognized thank you kindly.

So- I’ll take some more opinions and see if this clears up some of the confusion and misunderstandings- frankly, I don’t believe you have much of a right to say rejected SYUTK on the extreme end without taking some time to try and actually think about this logically with reason, not rule of cool and plain anime rules. Sheesh.

Oh, just for the record- I’d honestly do some free-writing of Yang v Cross- because I have no real idea who would win overall. I don’t just focus on the Semblance, I focus on skills, capabilities, everything; it would be akin to Mike Tyson v Donnie Yen- a heck of a fight to see, even if it’s just choreographed.

So, instead of aiming to be overly critical, huffed up, and using anime examples alone, why not actually take the time to think about this Semblance, if you can without being critical, and see the possibilities? Powerful, yes- I would think any Semblance is powerful is used in the right way, but redundant/broken, I don’t think so.

Again, I’ll probably correct the wording to get some of these misunderstandings cleared up.