Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-2602:306:805D:8C10:F8E7:6195:B8FF:347D-20171205010445/@comment-25936766-20171205011911

Raven maybe. Vernal, I doubt it.

Say what you want about her powers and the time she's had to master them, she's literally done little but helping raid villages full of weaklings weaker-than-Junior's mooks all those years. One can only improve their skills so much via killing wimps, even if they kill wimps for decades.

Cinder, meanwhile, had enough skill to take on a Maiden even before getting the powers. And shortly after getting the full Powers she had enough skill, and enough mastery of those powers, to kill Ozpin.

And when she became a pussy weakling in V4? Salem got her back in shape by having her fight hordes of endless Grimm, from Beowulves to Beringels and likely more. Cinder got more training in 10 minutes than Vernal gets in the average week.