Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-35585801-20180514171634/@comment-26018514-20180514214516

1. Torchwick was swallowed whole, this was hardly damning as Aura is a thing and he had his weapon, further, the grimm he was inside then died almost immediately after in an explosion... and then would have dissolved... this cushion and the fact his death should not have been instantaneous means that his death is not unambiguous as you claim.

Tukson also had a cut-away death that was not truly confirmed in the episode in which it occurred, again, this was somewhat ambiguous.

Pyrrha's death was somewhat ambiguous in that the turning to cinders effect was also possible to interpret as teleporting her... and now you are here saying that Raven, who was using ice as a killing force in her fight with Cinder, should be interpreted as ambiguous while Pyrrha's was not is laughable.

2. It is indeed a hard and fast rule to kill off a maiden... of which there are 4. Raven isn't dead, and the other 2 are at least not working for Salem or in danger... yet.

As you pointed out, Salem's forces without Cinder isn't really much of a sustainable threat if RWBY can take them on, but with her.... she can crush all of them but Ruby and Raven herself, they need time and training to face a threat like that, and she escalates this eventuality if she is alive as she will seek out Ruby to destroy her out of spite.

3. Except it has EVERYTHING to do with it, her only real development in V4 was to appear humbled, yet she came into V5 more overconfident than ever.