Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-71.84.15.225-20150807131522/@comment-9464517-20150916185814

Coolishy777 wrote: 1. If someone told me somebody "passed on", you're right I would assume died. But to explain to two little girls the prospect of death is a hard thing to do and so maybe the only phrase ever used was that 'Summer is never coming home again'. This doesn't mean that Taiyang beleives her alive, on the contrary, I wager that the whole family thinks her to be dead. As for the lyrics, these lines are not outright confirmation of anything. Ive seen plenty of blood but that doesnt mean the person died. As for the other two again there is more than one way to approach the statements.The lines surrounding "You feel I left you in a world that's full of madness", seem to suggest that there is more to the story. "Wish I could talk to you, if only for a minute // Make you understand the reasons why I did it", is a fantastic example because it shows that Summer wishes she could talk to Ruby and tell her why she did something. So what is this something she wants to tell her, and why would it be written from a present tense point of view. Almost every line in this song is written as though the person were saying something right now, except for the ones where there is a reference to past events.

2. People had mention that the "dead mom coming back" motif is already being shown by Yangs mom. I was just showing that they never even believed her to be dead, just that she ran away.

3. I do believe that this is a memorial of some kind, and I believe that Ruby, Yang, and Taiyang believe Summer to be dead, and so would want a memorial for her. But this is not a grave marker, as there is likely no body burried at the edge of a cliff.

4. You're right there could be any number of things that transpired, or reasons she never came home.

5. As shown above the lyrics are written as that she knows Ruby is angry, not that she would suspect it. Summer wants to explain to Ruby "the reasons why [she] did it", but a toddler would not understand more adult concepts or reasons. Even if she were saying these things as she were dying, she would have to know that Ruby wouldnt and couldnt understand.

6. There was a couple other body language things I noticed while Jeff was giving his little speech. First was Monty, and it seemed to be just a cough, but he hold his hand at his mouth, maybe to say something underhis breath that only Jeff would hear. This actually happens at the same time as one of his pauses, possibly to hear Monty speak. Next is Kerry. Right after Jeff seems to correct his words, Kerry gets this look on his face and glances down the panel (possibly at Miles) before reaching for his phone, presumably to send a message. Its just suspicious body language.

PS: I appreciate the positive way you responded with out attacking and calling people down (hear that too much as it is). I also appreciate that you are genuinely curious about continuing this (hopefully in a constructive way that doesnt become an insult contest or rude statements about evidence and thought process). 1. I think it's interesting that you highlighted the "Wish I could talk to you" line as an example of a line that indicates that Summer is alive, when I took it very much in the opposite direction. For a start, the line isn't in the present tense, it's in the conditional tense. Summer is saying that she wishes she were able to talk to Ruby (with the mutual understanding between her and Ruby being that they both know that she cannot). This could be because she is a fugitive, or literally unable to speak, but the most likely reason for her inability to contact Ruby and the resulting frustration arising from it is because she is dead.

5. I understand your take on the lyrics but I feel that her being dead is a more plausible explanation, especially given the imagery used (blood, emptiness, etc.). I will admit that I do not completely understand the song. Why is Summer complaining that she wishes she could reason with her daughter "if only for a minute" if she's communicating with her there and then? Why is there such a sense of urgency?

6. Honestly, I've seen multiple panel appearances with these guys and that's pretty much just how they normally act. When someone else is answering a question, they usually sit there awkwardly and don't do all that much.

I agree with Chish on the rest.

P.S. Thank you!