Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181116204649/@comment-34724302-20181120083716

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: AntisocialMedia wrote: SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: Still rather stupid because even without Ozma, Huntsmen still have reason to exist. Without Ozma, do they end up in potentially deadly initiation rituals at fifteen ("she was a child!"), or with certifications known to be forged, or get assigned to "training missions" above their depth with all but orders to pursue an even more dangerous vendetta? That's assuming it's even half-true that she died on a training mission - who told us that, again? Maybe. The Grimm are still a threat whether or not he did anything, so it's likely Huntsmen or a profession similar to them would have popped up and kids would have trained to become that profession early. Whether it'd be the EXACT same is an unknown, but still, not much would change.

Besides, Hazel's whole thing infantalizes Gretchen and puts her on a pedestal, a frankly insulting combination. She wasn't an innocent victim, she volunteered knowing what may happen, even if like Ruby, the whole mortality thing may not have truly weighed on her, and dismissing her as just 'a child' dismisses her wants and feelings. Plus she would be rolling in her grave if she saw that Hazel came to serve Salem and became a murderer.