Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31098022-20170218174614/@comment-69.138.248.186-20170315183901

Ozpin vs. Cinder: Agreed.

Tyrian: While he was interested in Jaune he did still focus on Ruby. Someone online thought he might take both but until we see otherwise Jaune seems like someone he'd go after if he wasn't doing something for Salem. Whatever reason he takes note of Jaune isn't something that he thinks would be interesting to Salem otherwise he would have mentioned it. Qrow is a little different as he's someone that was actually a thorn in Salem's side. Tyrian thought getting rid of Qrow would be enough to earn Salem's forgiveness. I think the only thing we can guess about his mind is that anything that pleases Salem comes first.

He might have thought Qrow would be helpless without his weapon. I don't know if it's just a Ruby thing but I always figured most Huntsmen are so used to fighting with a weapon that their pretty unskilled without one. Yeah that makes sense too.

He didn't see Nora charge up and if he's just interested in facial expressions he'd only see hers after he blocked the hit. She seemed more focused then and like Qrow she has moments of being cocky/battle happy. Maybe it's just a certain look that impresses him? Maybe it has to do with him getting the vibe of who someone is based on his first impressions of them?

I slowed down the part where he sees Jaune to try to figure this out. His weight on the shield pulls Jaune down a little though he's still able to support the weight with one arm. Tyrian kind of waits a second to see how Jaune reacts. Once Jaune looks up he has a moment of wide eyed shock before he shuts his eyes and glares up at Tyrian. Switching back to Tyrian his eyes are a lot wider and his mouth slightly widens (easier to see if you really slow it down.) He has this look of awe, going into a "what's this" expression then making a "ooh" sound. He gets closer and his eyes quickly glance over Jaune before setting on his face.

Didn't RT say eyes are important in RWBY? It might have to do with Semblances but it could also be the whole "window to the soul" thing. If the latter is the case I wonder what Tyrian saw in Jaune.

Relics: I think it was a little odd that Qrow mentions those three things. If those are the Relics then they might want to keep the fourth one a secret. I think at least one of those is a Relic but if he had all of them with him I'm not sure if he would use all of them. They might not all do the same thing so it's hard to guess.

The cape thing might just be people trying to figure out if there's a clue. I don't know if the cape is a gift from Summer since little Ruby in Yang's flashback had a smaller cape. I always thought it was something she got from Qrow. Though she might need get another cape if it gets further damaged.

Shapeshifting does seem like a good way to hide them in plain sight. It seems like a smart move to keep them out of the wrong hands. Depends if the cane is a Relic and we don't know how the shapeshifting works. Maybe it's triggered by someone's aura or them willing the Relic to change.

Aura: The white of his armor and weapons does work for a metaphor of Jaune changing as everything else (save him switching out his shoes for boots) is pretty much the same outfit. The only other thing that might be a focus point is his hoodie and it's hidden by the armor. Some colors are just more subtle than others I guess. Which is good since we'd have people walking around like Power Rangers otherwise.

It might be imporant. They said the arcs on his family crest were supposed to be a rainbow. I believe white is also supposed to be reflective to light (maybe a hint with Cardin hurting himself) while black absorbs light (Grimm eating people?) We had a God of light and a God of darkness. The only other time we saw a blinding white light was when Ruby unleashed her SEW powers. I don't think that has to do with her aura though so it might be a magical connection.

I've been thinking about this for awhile trying to make sense of it. If the Arcs were in on Ozpin's plan they would have to really trust him. This might work if the King/Great Great Grandfather theory is true. There's at least four generations of warriors and heroes before Jaune but they suddenly decide not to let the fifth generation train prior to Beacon?

One of the theories I've seen is that the Arcs aren't known as the Arcs. Some have suggested a Ruby Rose situation with him taking his mom's name or he faked his surname to sneak in. I wondered if his family uses fake professional names to distance themselves from the fame. If they were trying to remain hidden from Salem's forces having a well known family of heroes would draw too much attention. Of course this would mean that each one of them would have to use a different surname in public. Arc might also be the Smith of Remnant. Other than Pyrrha and Weiss we haven't really had anyone that's well known. Despite Blake's father once leading the White Fang no one (except maybe Ozpin) seemed to know who she was.

Qrow is well known to Salem's forces but no one besides those that already knew him at Beacon had any idea who he was. Weiss thought he was just some crazy guy. If the Arcs have worked with Ozpin in the past their probably not well known to the public. I think that Ozpin had to at least meet one Arc previously. I don't think they would mention the large amount of Aura if it wasn't important. RWBY has been building something for 4 volumes with his Aura/Semblance. He's also the only one out of RNJR + Qrow to not have his Aura break this volume.

Ozpin choosing leaders: I'm iffy on what Qrow puts Tai through given that look Tai gives him when he wants to talk to Ruby. Qrow did lure Ruby out to help him and I don't think for a moment Tai wanted that.

For now I think Qrow is the Scarecrow. I like the idea that Vacuo might have a Toto Faunus headmaster.

Raven's Semblance: It's okay, I can see how it can be misunderstood. I've seen a lot of ideas for her semblance. Teleporting, good luck and seeing possible futures. Given the confusion with Qrow being a crow I can see RT misdirecting us with the portal. I'm not positive but I can see it happening. I don't know about good luck but I like the idea that she is immune to his semblance. It would explain why STRQ fell apart without her. I liked the visions idea after I saw a post about it. Basically the twins are supposed to be based somewhat on Odin's messager birds Huginn and Muninn. They were his eyes (which relates to Salem's line after Tyrian claims he killed Qrow) and Odin lost an eye to gain wisdom.

The idea was that Raven gained a different sort of insgiht than Qrow. He gathers information from spying and she has visions. This supposedly is how she knew Yang would need help on the train, that Beacon would fall, etc. It was also mentioned that when they meet Raven has a moment to stare at Qrow's hand as he picks up his drink. It's the same hand that's later covered in purple blood. I admit I like this theory.

Ozpin letting Jaune sink or swim: Because of the way scenes are shown we really don't have insight into his mind (not even with Oscar) or see him with Jaune much. From what we see I don't think failure (i.e. Jaune dying) was an option to him. Ozpin seemed very sure Jaune was going to be fine based on his reaction and pointedly refused to say anything to Glynda's comments. I've heard it debated that Ozpin wanted Cardin to bully Jaune or allowed it to happen to force him to focus and fight back. I do wonder what he'd do if Cardin did tell Glynda. Regardless Glydna and Oobleck did notice he wasn't as good as the others. Both seemed to work to help him get better.

Pyrrha probably saw that Jaune wasn't as good as the others. He was the only one that had no idea what to do and was screaming. Plus she probably wanted to ensure she could reserve him as her partner before anyone else found him.

Okay, I get what you mean now.

I don't think Ozpin is cold either, I really think that he believed the had everything under control. I know the Maiden thing came in late in the plot but Ozpin says he knew ever since he met Pyrrha that she was the right person. He lists the reasons why including her being kind. Ozpin probably met her before she went to Beacon around the time he decided to let Ruby in. I could see him figuring her out pretty quickly and seeing how lonely she was. Likewise Jaune is pretty easy to figure out since even his fake persona/lies are transparent. He was the only one that approached Ruby and was eager to make friends. There's no way he would come off like a fan of Pyrrha's.

What Ozpin and Qrow did was still very dangerous. They might have done it for the right reasons because they had no other options but it still was pretty questionable. They asked a student, one who has a record of being unable to say no and pretty much told her "either you do this or the bad guys win." Pyrrha wasn't allowed to speak with anyone outside that group about her choice. Deciding what to do was tearing her apart to the point she started crying and hurt the person she cared about the most. She felt like she had to stop or stall Cinder herself which led to her death.

No they didn't kill her. They still do hold some guilt for putting Pyrrha in that position in the first place. There were other older canidates they could have chosen but Ozpin decided she was the one. He says Maidens chose themselves but he picked her to be their Maiden instead of a more experienced Huntress. Pyrrha already had too much pressure on her and Ozpin himself already had an idea how horrible it was to share a soul. If the transfer went through Pyrrha would likely have been killed to get the rest of the power. They pretty much put a target on her back.

So I think Jaune had a point about them forcing Pyrrha. Yes she decided but they made her feel like there was no other choice. Was he too tough on Qrow? Actually I think he was more in control than I'd be. The only thing he said that I think was a little far was saying Qrow wasn't much help. Which is still techically true from his standpoint. Qrow apparently was using Ruby/them, has no idea what they should do and could get them hurt if he gets too close.

If Blake's story on the man with two souls is true Ozpin might struggle for control. I do think it's possible since Ozpin's infamous wasted energy speech. Yang commented that Ozpin didn't seem like himself so maybe that came from a past incarnation.

Oscar and Jaune: I'm curious how their play this. If Jaune will feel conflicted because of the Ozpin connection. They do have a lot in common. Given the fact Jaune feels overshadowed by his family, Oscar is a newcomer and Ozpin was his headmaster it can make for a very interesting dynamic.

True though that might lessen if they revealed them at different times. First Oscar admitting he was once the king then a volume or more later adding that he was also Jaune's ancestor. Yeah I have faith in RT too.