Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34553226-20180504204625/@comment-5430952-20180711031703

TOSHIKI OVERLORD wrote: Raven vs Cinder: The battle was good, but it shows that it was made as a Fansercive for the CINDER HATERS.

No, it was actually made as a tribute to Monty, so if anything it was to appease the more numerous fans who feel the show is nothing without Monty. But they shouldn't have done so at the expense of the rest of the season, putting all their eggs in one basket hurt CRWBY's credibility.

Raven seemed to have Plot Armor and be a Mary Sue in the fight.

Are we talking about the same fight? Because Cinder started out strong in the beginning, then the fight was more evenly matched when Cinder began fighting seriously. It was only after she got crushed by that stalactite that Cinder found herself losing ground, and soon found herself exhausted while her opponent still had the will to fight.

Think about it, Raven fought more strategically while Cinder simply tried overpowering her. And if Cinder had won using such tactics, then she would be a Mary Sue, because she did not deserve to win that fight. Cinder has worked for nothing this entire story, everything she has was either a) given to her (Salem and Watts specifically), or b) stolen from somebody else (Amber ring a bell?). Such characters do not interest me in the least, to me they give the impression of being an author's pet, or, to put in another way, a Mary Sue.

Cinder Fall: I have said it in several pages and I repeat it here. Cinder is hated for stupidity. It is one of the best characters in the series, not to say the best.

Now that is a matter of opinion, Toshiki. She's a poorly developed character who wasn't interesting during the Beacon Arc and is even less interesting now. She acts so high and mighty when she has done nothing to earn such prestige. And I applaud Raven for giving her a much-needed reality check, unless Ruby she actually earned that win.

If I was sad when Penny and Pyrrha died but THE DEATH OF YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER IS NOT EXCUSE TO HATE A CHARACTER You can hate it at the beginning, but there comes a time when that hatred is unjustified. Oh, I believe people will be hating Cinder for a very long time, and dismissing the fans' reasons for hating Cinder as stupid will not endear you to anyone, Toshiki, save for those who share your views.

You know, Sephiroth killed Aeris causing commotion in the FFVII Fandom (Like Pyrrha's death in RWBY) he wanted to have power and did not mind destroying the world to get it. Now I do not see anyone hate Sephiroth for that. Even some Cinder Haters are hypocritical in that sense.

And no, I do not hate Sephiroth. It's one of my favorite characters from the whole Final Fantasy saga. Sephiroth was also developed by a huge corporation like Square, so they had to make him interesting since he was the main villain of Final Fantasy VII. Cinder hasn't had a fraction of his character development, all we know of her is the character quote on her wiki page: I want to be strong, I want to be feared, I want to be powerful. And we still don't know why. And at this point I don't really care, so I'm glad they gave her the same treatment Snoke got in The Last Jedi, she definitely deserved it.