Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-4040842-20190319135205

73.Anon.52 wrote: The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

1. We really can't be certain of any of that at all. One thing we absolutely cannot be certain of and that you seem be taking as fact, per your usual arrogance, is that they all know exactly what Salem has planned. There is no reason to believe that she has told any of them everything.

2. Hazel and Cinder are both cases where, if her plan is eradicating humanity by bringing down the wrath of the Gods, there is absolutely zero reason to believe they would be on board with it. Also, it is unlikely Tyrian is fully aware of Salem's background given he calls her a goddess. This is literally how Salem has been consistently shown to operate throughout history. She never tells anyone everything and lies straight to their faces to earn their loyalty.

3. Forgiveness isn't really the issue here. Humanity doesn't have to forgive her for her to survive. She is ultimately a soldier and if she were to at a certain stage flip, then there would be considerations from the people at the top. Were that to happen, it would also be used to publicly rationalize any leniency shown to her if necessary. All of it would be conditional on her behaving herself, of course. 1. I'm not taking it as fact, I'm taking it at face value. We have no indication she's lied at all, something others have repeatedly pointed out while accusing Ozpin of being evil. I'm also taking it as irrelevant as SALEM WILL BE DEAD BEFORE THE END OF THE SHOW.

2. Remember her plan when Ozpin 1 had kids with her? she plans to use their power, not summon them, destroy humanity, then start over as the "Humanity 3"'s Goddess, that plan as presented is the exact plan her minions have indicated being told to them, it's also the last plan we KNOW she supported, anything else is purely Ozpin and fan speculation as to her motives.

3. What in gods name do you think Cinder could be doing of military value for four distinct governments to make her NOT a terrorist threat when she has wronged 3 of them and the 4th barely functions, long after Salem is dead and Grimm possibly cease to exist as threats?

She can't say, "here Jimmy, I'm a good girl now that I helped you 1 time..." She hurt Mistral and Vale too, and cost all 3 damage beyond measure, if she joins one, the others will need recompense and assurance that wmd of a terrorist won't be used against them. He has a point. This type of argument is what's wrong with cartoons and movies now. We have so many people trying to redeem people who have done some of the most disgusting acts history and ignore those who have committed minor crimes and treat them like they've done worse. Take Steven Universe for example; they're trying to redeem space nazi's. I'm sorry but If you see your race superior to others and wipes them out to create more of your race as well. So yeah at the end of the series Cinder needs to die.