Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4444715-20190406160119/@comment-4010415-20190623000148

Cryptidhunter1 wrote: I think Miles and Kerry are better at writing comedy rather than actual plot and action sequences, considering how not too soon after Monty died the plot got shaky and started falling apart. What do you mean the plot only started getting shaky and falling apart afterward? What about

1. How even back then, they were barely showing even a scrap of Faunus discrimination while having characters talk on and on about it, leading some fans to feel that it's more likely that there actually isn't any discrimination anymore and the White Fang are just whiners looking for excuses to be terrorists.

2. Painting the Town... Just... Painting the Town. So many issues with that when you actually stop paying attention to how cool the action was.

First of all, why the hell did Roman Torchwick, a wanted criminal whose mugshot was displayed on the news in the very first episode of Volume 1, get into a stolen mech that Ironwood had literally just been showing off holograms of to the public, with the White Fang emblem literally painted onto it, just to chase Sun and Blake through the city and along a highway bridge that was covered in civilians, aka witnesses?! Just because it would be a cool action scene, despite it requiring Roman to drink a whole bucket of idiot juice.

Second of all, literally the only mention of this event afterward by anyone other than Team RWBY was just Ozpin saying something about "robots and rose petals in a dance club", which didn't even make any fucking sense. Roman was throwing people's cars around while he charged down that highway! You would think this would be all over the damn news, especially with the White Fang emblem on the mech!! Hell, you would think Team RWBY -- or at least Blake and Sun -- would get in trouble for leading him to that highway in the first place! Civilians don't have their Aura unlocked! People probably got seriously injured or died because of that!!! But Ozpin's reaction is just "robots and rose petals lol"

3. How Monty decided that Ruby should do some ultra cool whirlwind move to end the food fight, when that left a plot hole later in the same exact volume. When Ruby got captured by the White Fang later in Volume 2, so many people were complaining "Why didn't she just do that move she did in the food fight?! The fact that she got caught is bullshit!" Monty was the one who directed and animated the food fight. Monty was the one who Miles had to keep trying to reign in because Monty was trying to have the characters do more powerful attacks than they were actually supposed to be capable of, such as almost having Blake cut the entire train in half in the Black Trailer.

4. How the way that Breach played out and the way the characters act about Breach are completely different. Monty is the one who directed the action portion of Breach!

How the characters act about Breach: It was a tragedy where Beacon's students struggled to hold off the Grimm, and it was the Atlas military that ultimately got the Grimm invasion under control. Seriously, just look at how Cinder describes it.

How Breach actually went: The Beacon students did pretty well against the Grimm, especially when CFVY came in and utterly curbstomped the shit out of every single thing in the area, systematically taking down dozens of Grimm without breaking a sweat. Because Monty seriously had trouble making a fight scene without the characters being ultra badass and nigh unstoppable, even when the plot called for them to struggle. This is why I have no problem with Miles and Kerry changing Volume 3's Yang vs Adam and saving it for Volume 6's Yang vs Adam.

5. Like Megadracosaurus mentioned: Volume 2's after credits scene, which Monty inserted against what Miles and Kerry wanted. First off, it was completely irrelevant because it was played off as being just a dream, even in the scene itself, considering the visual effects and ethereal music. Second off, it was a bad idea to have Raven pop up as a mysterious masked swordswoman and then immediately reveal and confirm her identity the very next episode.

6. The Maidens. Monty came up with the Maidens after they finished production on Volume 2 and wanted to add them to the story... that they had already pre-planned before they even began working on Volume 1.

All issues relating to the Maidens are a direct result of Miles and Kerry having to try to fit them into the show without letting the Maidens' involvement change the story they had planned with Monty.

Like it or not, all 6 of these are a direct result of Monty's influence. It is false to say that the show didn't start falling apart until after Monty was gone. RWBY's writing has always had issues.

Also, the Red vs Blue seasons that Miles wrote were not strictly comedy, so it's also false to say that Miles can only write comedy. There was an actual legitimate story going on in that arc that was actually done pretty well.

I think the real issues here are that Miles isn't used to writing a brand new original universe instead of one that was already set up ahead of time and MMK's story plan may be too loose of an outline. That, and Miles and Kerry keep wanting to rush toward the next major plot event instead of taking their time, though that might be a result of their plan being too loose of an outline.

Crytpidhunter1 wrote:

And you didn't completely debunk the thing about bumblebee you need clearer evidence than just vague hints. ..... What I linked to before was Arryn Zech, the voice of Blake, quite literally saying what sounds like "Can I say that my character and another character are in a lesbian relationship?"

In other words, Blake... being in a relationship with another girl.

And the stream was from 2013. Back when Monty was still around.