Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181110034633/@comment-26018514-20181115083759

BlizzardDragon wrote: Alhazad2003 wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:So you think one of them pulled an Envy? It would work either way, all it would take is a single shot combined with a declaration along the lines of "This land is ours, you can't have it!" And the bloodshed would soon commence. Such a scenario could be in danger of happening again very shortly in the story, the songs suggest that a Second Great War could be on the horizon, which would further Salem's goals immensely. Dark times lie ahead, dark times indeed. Thing is, how exactly would a Great War even work now?

Vale is all but gone after Beacon Tower fell...

Haven may have been saved...

Atlas has closed its borders due to Ironwood's paranoia...

The only Kingdom remotely stable is Vacuo, and even that Kingdom...

I don't think they're at worry of a Great War... I think they're at worry of a siege on Shade and Atlas much like on Beacon.

I fear Ironwood may have no choice but to expose the existance of Salem so as to justify launching an all out war against her...

But that's the entire point, Atlas and it's progressing technology are Salem's only threat, therefore her plans have crippled Vale and Mistral and ultimately would have made Menagerie and Atlas look responsible, her plans likely would have had ALL 3 of the remaining forces attempting to take down Atlas while fearing knives at their backs, likely killing all of them in the process through natural hazards and Atlas robotic forces, possibly turning the Robots on their masters at the last moment, and all of that Chaos would draw the Grimm in numbers strong enough to wipeout all survivors... likely with all the most rapid transit in the world scattered amidst the rubble.

It simply wouldn't matter at that point what was left of humanity, anyone left over in Vacuo would likely be weaker and have a hard enough time simply surviving, criminal elements would dismantle anything left of their governments defenses, while Salem would likely raid Vale with whatever grimm she could gather from the remnants of Atlas/Mantle... with no defenders all she'd need to do would be drop a good number in and destroy their AA defenses and it'd pretty much be fucked, take any transports left and repeat with each remaining kingdom, had her Haven Plan worked Menagerie likely would have been wiped out before Atlas so she would have already won.