Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-29684190-20191123161006/@comment-37471367-20191124065736

ChishioKunrin wrote: MobiusEternal1 wrote:

1. Well Ace ops never heard of WAFFLEO. I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, I understand that they’re setting up a philosophy difference, not to mention making the idea that there’s a traitor more plausible. But from every account of a military unit I’ve ever read or seen, there’s always a camaraderie, or bond that develops. But this isn’t the first time the writers were not a 100% squared away on military things.

2. Hey Glitchee123z, remember how we were talking about how sloppy Tyrian was with letting cameras see blood? Ironwood has indeed noticed. For that part of the nefarious plans, letting the press confirm three murders with a pattern your enemies can clue in on is just plain careless and can endanger the operation as it already is.

3. Hacker offers to cripple billionaires electoral opponents with damaging info..... oh so that’s the parallels I heard of. Also ironic and showing Jacques to be the fool for once. Why? He doesn’t know it, but he’s throwing in with the crew that’s responsible for his current business problems in the first place, and I would have thought he’d be more suspicious. 1. To be fair, this is the same Kingdom that had banned self-expression for the sole purpose of avoiding drawing Grimm. If you develop close bonds with your squadron, the moment one of them dies in battle will trigger strong negative emotions in the whole group, which will draw more Grimm. They probably consider it to be safer if everyone just considers it a work partnership and nothing more.

2. First of all, I'm not wholly sure if that camera was even operational, since it appeared to power down before Tyrian exited the building. Even if it didn't, the fact that it turned away from the door could imply that Tyrian wasn't caught on camera as the murderer.

Second of all, the entire point is for the people of Mantle to notice that those who stand against Ironwood are dying. Ironwood himself even states that this pattern has caused an upset in Mantle and that he's being framed. He's being framed as a dictator who kills off anyone who opposes him, which will make the people of Mantle hate him more. This is Tyrian and Watts' plan. It doesn't matter that Ironwood noticed because it's not like he can convince the Mantle citizens that he's not responsible.

3. I didn't think about that. Though, at the same time, I really wonder if Jacques would even care that much. Salem's group didn't start the embargo, Ironwood did, so Jacques could still be stubborn enough to blame Ironwood.

Phantomlink959 wrote:

I think a Megoliath is probably just a REALLY big Goliath? I'm dumb,. I remembered that the Grimm design theme for Atlas is prehistoric creatures and that a Megalodon is a prehistoric creature, but I forgot what it actually is and couldn't remember the technical name for wooly mammoth. Looked it up, a Megalodon is a giant shark. *Facepalm*

1. On the one hand, I get that. On the other hand... military units usually form strong bonds within their personnel.

2. The last shot had a blue hue and the blood was visible as well if my memory is right. This would imply Tyrian’s cameras were still up. Watts deactivated his because he has to maintain the image that he’s dead. I never said it had to catch Tyrian himself.

Furthermore while the PR effect is indeed happening, it amounts to nothing if Ironwood and his military pick up the trail. My point is, if you’re going to do this kind of espionage, you should leave nothing to chance. You could simply make the victims “disappear” without a trace and still get the same effect. In fact, I’d say that would feed the confirmation bias better if opposition just vanished, feeding the tyrannical all powerful government narrative.

But Ironwood openly said he cares little for PR, and now that he’s noticed this pattern and investigating, it jeopardizes the plans in the following ways:

-Tyrian could be exposed as the actual killer. It may not have the public effect one would want, but it would certainly pose a chance of disrupting Tyrian and Watt’s plans when they have Huntsmen who know of Tyrian in pursuit.

-Further investigation can give away more of their plans

I simply feel that Tyrian in his sadism, may be inadvertently leaving a trail to follow.

3. Either way, Jacques has likely started on the road that will lead to his downfall.