Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-32910370-20170830113709/@comment-172.58.168.237-20170926063802

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

1) And that is both her main weapon and her Achilles's Heel.

I'll call a draw on this. It was a dumb point to make in retrospect. Everybody's body is their main weapon and their Achille's Heel.

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

2) Yang is not faster than Weiss unless she fires off her gauntlet(s) to get a speed boost. Even then, it's not so much a Speed Boost as much as Launching herself. Weiss with her Glyphs is not only fast, if not faster, but also more controlled and easily changes direction with multiple Glyphs.

I am going to say here that I am a RWBY newbie having just binge watched this for the first time this weekend. I'll give it a second pass through some time next week.

That in mind, nothing I recall in the show demonstrates that Weiss is inherently faster then Yang. Without her semblance, she is the slowest on team RWBY. I don't think there is a single scene where she demonstrated any natural agility to her advantage. Yes, Weiss with semblance is faster then Yang firing her gauntlets, but as you point out further down, semblance costs Aura, which has it's own disadvantages. The more she uses it, the easier she is take down.

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote:

3) Weiss is not the best at playing Mage, yes. But Yang has pretty much 0 actual fighting skill. Her entire Modus Operandi towards fights is to rush forward > endure whatever she takes > use Semblance to win. Even Taiyang pointed it out.

In itself, this has multiple problems. For starters, as proven with Neo, her Semblance is useless if she cannot even land a hit. It's for this reason that Neo kicked her ass, and the reason Neon almost did the same. Yang is not really a fast puncher, and kicks are almost alien to her, so anyone fast can do what Neo and Neon did.

Second of all, she must be able to endure what she takes. Which has failed twice; she couldn't endure Neo's barrage of kicks and even fell KO. And Adam 1-shot-KOd her with a barely-charged Moonslice.

Third of all, Semblance runs on Aura. Using Semblance diminishes Aura, it's their "fuel". So Yang's own tankiness is hindered by the fact that her abuse of her Semblance decreases her remaining Aura, which may not matter in the short term, but can matter in the long term, especially if she cannot even land a hit.

First, I was going to say something along the lines of, "Doesn't making it into Beacon mean she's already cream of the crop or at least has a lot of innate talent?" But looking further on the wiki nothing suggests Beacon is some kind of exceptional school only for the elites. Looking through wiki it looks like it's basically the only Huntress 'college' in the nation. But, as this is specificallly a Weiss vs Yang topic, I also see no real proof of Weiss having an additional training, either. At least it seems Yang had been practicing for years with her old man. Who taught Weiss? At best, they start on equal footing on that regard.

As far as anything related Neo and Adam related are concerned, the same more or less applies to Weiss. They are on an entire magnitude of raw aura better then team RWBY. That's pretty much my only complaint with the show, really. It makes this show feel less like the over the top Tekken/Dead or Alive Monty pulls off so well and comes off more like Dissidia.

I mean, Yang needs to be able to endure what she takes. Weiss needs to win before she burns her aura out, too. They are two sides of the same coin in that regard.

Third, semblance runs on Aura, of course. Except Weiss has to actively expend her Aura to activate her powers. Yang's semblance just gets stronger the less aura she has, no extra expenditure on her part. Weiss has an active semblance, Yang has a passive semblance, like Nora? was it? The electric girl. Who is immune to lightning because of her semblance, no extra aura burning required. Until we see her lose from an enemy overloading her with electricity.

As far as their Duo's match went. A person on skates, and a ranged person who uses sound so it's not like you can just dodge his attacks as they approach for an offense. Remember Cinder wanting to know whom RWBY was picking for the doubles? And her being able to manipulate the matching? She literally picked the best counter team to go against Yang/Weiss. And yet RWBY still won.

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: Yang so far has been the most noobish of Team RWBY in terms of fighting style. She treats her Semblance like an instant "I-win" button and relied on it every single time. She got her ass kicked and the only reason she even won some of her fights was because her Semblance depended on her getting her ass kicked. But the ideal would be that you don't get your ass kicked at all.

I agree with you, Yang has been the most noobish in battle. The whole treating her Semblance as an "I-win" button is disingenuous. Hey, her dad talked some smack to her while sparring and hit a half truth. But the other half of it is, she is going to take some damage if the fight isn't one sided in her favor, and it is going to power her up. She's tough, when she starts losing, she works even harder, the sting of being on the losing side of battle improves her resolve. It applies to pretty much every character. Her semblance just makes her stronger also. When I see a battle where Yang goes, "Damn, I can't even damage him, I need to let him beat me the crap out of me some so I can do some work," then it can be said that her Semblance became her "I-win" button.

As an aside, I don't typically do these kind of back and forths, so I appreciate you replying to me!