Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33754845-20190919204913/@comment-24018437-20190920142337

Granaatti wrote: Megadracosaurus wrote: In my opinion, yes. An antagonist and a villain aren't the same thing, but Raven has the traits of both. As an antagonist, she works against the protagonists. As a villain, she lies, kills, cheats and steals without remorse, even leaving entire communities to die at the hands of the Grimm and was willing to use her most trusted follower as a decoy, knowingly putting her in harm's way, and there's the issue of the Spring Maiden. Those are all traits of villains. On the contrary, there are plenty of stories where a character with "villain traits" can be the hero of the story. Doing villanous things doesn't necessary make you a villain, it more about the perspective and the role charcter are given.

I would also say that Raven is selfish but neutral character who takes the side that has most benefits, though she also has a very big soft spot for Yang and Tai. And even though she has sold Yang out, I'm pretty sure she would have also hunted down the person responsible of her death if Yang had ended up being killed in Heaven.

A heroic character can certainly do questioneble things for a greater good, or have some more ‘evil’ traits. But Raven isn’t one of those. Those types of characters do have something in common; they do those things for a greater good and their actions will save more lives then they take in the long run. Raven doesn’t qualify for that. Her long term goal is hiding from Salem and ravaging villages with a band of killers and thieves. Raven is an oppurtinisc lesser evil at most at this point, before her redemption arc.

As for hunting Yang’s killer down...That’s bloody dumb. She willingly set up Yang, knowing she could die...and she’d just ‘avenge’ the person she’d indirectly kill? That’s...really weird and confusing.

“I just told that assasasin where the guy he wants to kill lives and I’m gonna led it happen. But don’t worry! I’ll just kill him later, after its convenient for me.”

That logic arguably makes Raven worse.