Talk:Downfall/@comment-31726788-20180117194258/@comment-34633327-20180117215016

Demonics, more often then not the initial villain has to die in order to make way for the other villains. They are the Disc 1 Final Boss, not the Big Bad but one that must be beaten around the halfway mark to show the heroes are making headway. And as Roman wasn't originally intended to be a recurring character, he isn't the initial villain, Cinder is.

Even if she can melt the ice, it took Raven about 20 seconds to break free without fire. Its been more than 20 seconds for Cinder and she has fire, yet she hasn't broken free. Plus, whereas Raven still had Aura protecting her when she was frozen, Cinder has no aura, meaning her bare flesh is covered in ice. She's more than likely dead.