Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-24177652-20140316072117/@comment-8395098-20140610035812

ok just to point out...but red like roses prt 2 said 1st "sacrifice", second the mother voice in the song pointed out that more people than just the younger voice (assumed ruby association, not confirmed) which implies not that partenthood got too much but that there was something (perhaps you are corrent psyclone) much larger going on ranging from war to some plot of the grim.

also as for the idea that qrow raised yang, I  want to point out that Qrow trained Ruby in the art of the scyth so why can't ruby be the adopted one, say if parenting two kids and raising them to be huntress' was too much for dad alone and sent Ruby to Uncle.

IDK if he did or did not debunk the ruby/cinder association but either way Cinder is now irrecognizable to Ruby. I mean c'mon if your mom was a fire spewing badass don't you think you'd remember her fire glyphs or IDK a mother recognizing her own child? So even if Cinder is Summer (aka ruby's mom) she's not the Summer who left Ruby, the summer who left Ruby is dead, at best (for Ruby and us) the "vader killed Anikan" dead (least likely see above), at worse the "spirit of grim killed her and reincarnated her as their avatar." and that's only assuming this connection is proper and correct, it could be strait up that Cinder and Sumer are far from the same person.

My oppinion, the real question is "queen has pawns" <is Cinder the Queen qrow spoke of? and even so whose King?