Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-39854843-20190623222540

Okay, so a few things:

1 - Oshea Israel killed someone in a crime of passion at a party where alcohol was involved. Cinder, on the other hand, was sober and calculating when she carried out her murders.

2 - Oshea demonstrated remorse early and often. Cinder never has.

3 - Oshea was a minor at the time of his crime. Cinder was an adult.

4 - There is a difference between being a serial killer, and killing someone on impulse.

And for the last time, nobody is disputing whether or not redemption is possible. What I and others are saying is that there is a line, and when a person crosses it, they become irredeemable. Cinder is, whether you like it or not, irredeemable. She doesn't qualify for redemption because she's not sorry for her crimes, and I doubt she ever truly will be.

Once again (and I have to reiterate this, because it's so jarring), you are not defending a boy who got drunk at a party and shot somebody. You are defending a serial killer. A serial killer, dude.  Wake up.