Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-4010415-20180913151932/@comment-24018437-20180918155619

@Bluethunder25

That...is a horrible reason. So the murderous bandit and the nazi-terrorist get a free pass because people don't like them, when them being those things is the exact reason why people (both in and out of universe) don't like them?

As for Yang and Ruby believing in Raven...I imagine Yang has mixed feelings about Raven, but Ruby? She has no reason to believe in Raven. Remember that whole 'join us' speech? Raven reacted to it with disdain and then allowed Ruby to be hit by a fire ball.

Raven and Adam didn't make small mistakes that are easily fixed. They did very EVIL things that cannot be excused. They are murderers, bandits, terrorists, psycopaths, abusers and liars who are willing to kill innoscent people (including their own followers) for causes that include creating Nazi-Remnant or burning down entire villages and murdering everyone.

If we're gonna apply this to the real world, then I'm guessing that you must love the Adolf Hitler hooligans, that group of Neo-Nazis that is currently active in Germany? I mean...the majority of people are against them! So clearly, that must mean they're actually heroes deep down. Or what about the man who raped a 13-year old boy here in the Netherlands and then murdered him? He doesn't have much friends at the moment. Clearly, he too is a hero deep down!

...See how absurd your logic is Thunder? You're seeing things that aren't there. Giving Jacques, Adam, Raven and Cinder sympathic traits they don't have or don't excuse their actions doesn't make them sympathic.