Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-14138255-20160807005311/@comment-5430952-20160810035456

172.56.23.160 wrote:

Based on the Krillin reference you made, you're at least somewhat knowledgeable about Dragon Ball, so here's something to address your "how can they be part of Remnant's natural order if all they do is destroy?" concern: DBZ: Battle of Gods. Beerus was a God of Destruction, and the way King Kai explained it, before creation must come destruction, that being Beerus' basic job description. Another example of destruction-before-creation: the Great Flood in the Bible. God destroyed the world as it had been to create it anew, with Noah's Ark being God's way to not have to COMPLETELY start life over again.

We've seen ruins of previous civilizations, and WoR stated that countless civilizations have risen and fallen in Remnant's history; a cycle of creation, then destruction. That sounds to me like a balance that should be maintained. Here's where I start spitballing: salem and the Grimm represent destruction, Ozpin, the Wizard, and humanity/faunus represent creation. Maybe the current 4 Kingdoms have lasted much longer than prior civilizations and Salem is just going to desperate measures to get the cycle back on schedule; maybe Salem got bored/otherwise unhappy with being the destroyer and wants to be the creator as well (basically wanting to be a god) and Ozpin/the Wizard/Humanity/faunus are standing in her way. Either way, the Grimm are vital to Remnant's inner workings, and wiping them out would be fucking with something that shouldn't be fucked with.

Now onto your response to Mr. Lister (DEAL WITH IT!). (Scoff) "Enjoy", he says.

1-4: he REALLY enjoys repeating the obvious as well as things that have already been discussed ad nauseam, and it's getting irritating.

5: More Junior and more Taiyang, please!

6: THANK YOU!!!! Dear Mr. Lister: if Cinder was comaed after Ruby's traumatic superpower awakening, QROW COULDA KILLED HER QUICK AND EASY WHEN HE WENT UP TO GET RUBY! And if Merc and Em got there first, THEY COULDA KILLED RUBY BECAUSE SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS FROM HER TSA!!!! And then there's the possibility Alhazad brought up! That coma!Cinder theory has more holes than theory!

7: even without the CCT, the citizens of Atlas would be just as pissed as the other Kingdoms because they were watching everything too. Alhazad, I was in the same boat as you, but you gotta admit, it smells like war is coming, CCT or no, so keeping your best general on even if he should be executed would be a very practical(if morally and legally ambiguous) move. Right now, I'd say Ironwood's is a tossup between punishment and keeping him on to improve chances of winning the coming war.

8: agreed.

9: see item 1-4.

10: SSSN is from Haven, RNJR is going to Haven; RT'd be stupid to not give them more relevance. What I'm saying is: agreed.

11: good theory, but let's be real: wherever they go next, their mission will be to increase tensions between the Kingdoms.

12: see item 7.

13: agreed.

14: see item 1-4.

15: agreed.

-He who is AWESOME

PS: sorry for quoting that whole thing and making such a long post; easiest way to multiple people that I wanted to reply to. Hrm, maybe, though the fact that so many civilizations have fallen in Remnant's history is, a bit disturbing. As Dr. Oobleck said in Jaunedice Part One, "if you fail to learn these lessons, you are destined to repeat them." To me it seems like humanity has all but learned nothing from the tragedies of ancient times, which is why Salem and Cinder have been so effective against them, sad to say.

Though on the other hand, if Salem is trying to go outside her own established boundaries ie controlling both destruction and creation, then she clearly must be stopped. Perhaps with her gone, the Grimm will be a more manageable threat, not entirely destroyed but not as dangerous as they were under Salem's guidance.

As for teh list:

5. Yeah. Tai may be teh only solace in Yang's life at moment, and he'll strive to prevent her exidstence from becoming... unbearable.

6. Glad you liked it, took a while to reach taht conclusion, but it seems to be the most feasible one. Had Qrow gotten there too quickly he too would've gotten the Pyrrha treatment, I doubt Cinder would flee from a "mere mortal" at that juncture. So it had to be Salem ordering she stay her hand, since Ruby had only further cemented their victory by freezing the Dragon instead of killing it.

7. Ooh, hadn't thought about the people of Atlas calling for Ironwood's head, so yeah, he too has been disgraced before his peers. So while I can see the value in keeping him in power if war breaks out, I only hope it doesn't lead to a civil war within Atlas. If they fight their own countrymen along with the other kingdoms, they're bound to collapse, much like Mantle before them.

10. True that, and they'd be the first know if Team CMEN is still in Haven. Man, they'll be shocked to see Ruby and her new friends, and we'll find out what's happened in Haven in the meantime.

11. This is true, though if they topple the SDC, that's one of the largest Dust producers down the drain, imagine the global impact that will have. As Cinder said in Volume 2, the key to defeating the enemy is taking away what power they have, and it seems one of their major objectives is eventually making Dust unavailable, so Huntsmen would be deprived of one of their best tools and thus hampering their ability to combat the Grimm. Not to mention toppling all Huntsmen institutions so prevent the training of any future defenders of the people. So I can see them headed for Atlas to not only incite more conflict, but to tie up a few loose ends. It's frustrating how effective the villains are, not that I want them t be stupid, but if a villain is made too smart and too powerful, it makes the whole conflict between good and evil seem like a lost cause. And even when they're finally cast down, it doesn't look believable. And I'm looking at YOU, Tite Kubo, you made Aizen and Yhwach too indomitable, and look at the result.