Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-1446360-20190623215249

Wilfred J. Pemberley wrote: You're really keen on Cinder getting redemption, but you don't seem to give a damn whether or not she actually pays for her crimes. Redemption is for people who have remorse, and not only does Cinder have none of that, she takes utter glee in the atrocities she commits. She taunts the friends of her victims, she murders innocents for no reason, and (I can't believe I even have to say this) she's a serial killer. She is so far beyond redemption that your perceived admiration of her really makes me question your moral integrity.

I mean, let's be totally real here. If Cinder were arrested and tried for her crimes, some of her indictments would be. ..

-3 counts of murder in the first degree (Ozpin, Amber, & Vernal)

-2 counts of murder in the second degree (Pyrrha & the Mistral Woman)

-1 count of conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree (The bookstore keeper)

-Multiple counts of attempted murder

-Terrorism

-Destruction of military property

-Conspiracy to hack into a military server

-Crossing borders illegally

-Conspiracy to steal millions in consumer goods

-Engaging in illegal underground activity

-Associating with known terrorist organizations

If convicted of these crimes on a federal level (assuming capital punishment is in play), Cinder would almost certainly be sentenced to death. I have to ask, if a person in the real world commited these crimes, would you be so quick to defend them? Would you be so quick to insist that they could be redeemed?

Let me tell you a real life story about a woman named Mary Johnson. In 1993, her son was shot to death by a man named O'Shea Isreal. After killing Mary's son, Isreal was sentenced to 25 1/2 years in prison. He was released after serving 17. During his time in prison, Mary visited him regularly and eventually, she forgave him. Today, O'Shea lives next door to Mary and is doing all he can to make amends for what he did. That is what redemption is for someone who does something virtually unforgivable. As Mary herself says, "unforgivness is a cancer that will eat you up alive." She also points out, "me forgiving him doesn't diminish what he did, he killed my son. but the forgiveness is for me." You see, while, O'Shea didn't commit as many bad crimes as Cinder and Adam, he still killed someone and despite that, he was forgiven and somewhat redeemed because now he's putting his life in a new direction, trying to help charities and his community. And if you look it up on YouTube, there arem ultiple counts of remourseless serial killer being forgiven and possibly redeemed. Forgiveness and redemption IS POSSIBLE!