Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-1599757-20151212162645/@comment-26916345-20151216202300

this my comment from "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IuL2UFksSo" to another guy, probably too much hype from that episode.

Summer Rose's last thoughts were of Ruby if you listen to Red Like Roses, and by that logic, is Summer was Summer Ruby would be the summer maiden, unless we are saying Summer isn't dead as we've been lead to believe. Winter Schnee is probably not the Winter Maiden, as much sense as it would make. I gather that much because they would be alot less scared of a half-maiden that leached Fall's powers. Which has to either be Neo or Cinder given their abilities stand out so much more than the characters we've seen. Marking Qrow's line "Your infiltrator isn't just another pawn she's the one responsible for Autumn's condition" Autumn being another term for Fall. I would imagine Cinder Fall being the main antagonist and the holder of the Fall guardians powers. But at the same time it would be cooler from the writer's stand-point that Neo was the fall guardian and Cinder Fall was just the leader with an agenda, or Neo was the fall guardian and Cinder was strong enough to keep her under lock and key. I actually think that Raven is one of the 4 Guardians, given Neo's reaction and Raven's powers, let alone her disappearance from Yang's life entirely. Another inquiry on that note is we have no clue what Raven and Yang talked about. Counter-spiral, Summer could have been the Summer guardian which would explain her early death, and then passed it onto Raven. On the note of Yang, Yang's plea is likely to reach Ozpin and Ironwood's ear and be accepted as reasonable, but after that much publicity there's no way she gets out of this without her reputation being soiled. This was way to flashy for Cinder, which means that this must have been an improvised plan. There is no way Cinder would draw Qrow, Goodwitch, Ozpin, and Ironwood into investigating her team. Especially not when Yang Xioa Long is Qrow's niece. So Yang in trouble, Team RWBY falling under-suspicion, Cinder's team losing 1 member and drawing their own suspicion, just to attract a few Grimm to possible the place best equipped to handle Grimm? I'm not buying it, If this is Cinder's master plan, she is light years away from contesting Ironwood alone. So that means that the Grimm are just a way to get the big guns downstairs and fighting the mammoths, which means Cinder is trying to get access to somewhere that is dear to the Order of Oz. I'm guessing Cinder wants to finish off the Fall Maiden in the basement, which can probably only be accessed from Ozpin's room given the fact it's a secret room that you take an elevator to get too. That would mean, that they will likely be too late to give Nikos the power and Cinder or Neo, whomsoever, will flourish as the Fall Maiden. Therefore bad-guys win. Or we could Counter-spiral, and say that Ironwood wants Cinder to find the Fall Maiden, which means there is a bigger trap lying in wait. Either way we should be seeing Raven and Taiyang soon. I can't remember anything about Weiss's mother ever being said, just her father and sister, but as seen in the guardians of the seasons infomercial, it does appear that Winter Guardian is another thing that passes down the "Schnee" family tree, not just their semblance. I'm starting to wonder if it's Cloning or inbreeding.