Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34553226-20180504204625/@comment-24834640-20180719211200

Alhazad2003 wrote: Raven seemed to have Plot Armor and be a Mary Sue in the fight. Are we talking about the same fight? Because Cinder started out strong in the beginning, then the fight was more evenly matched when Cinder began fighting seriously. It was only after she got crushed by that stalactite that Cinder found herself losing ground, and soon found herself exhausted while her opponent still had the will to fight.

Think about it, Raven fought more strategically while Cinder simply tried overpowering her. And if Cinder had won using such tactics, then she would be a Mary Sue, because she did not deserve to win that fight. Cinder has worked for nothing this entire story, everything she has was either a) given to her (Salem and Watts specifically), or b) stolen from somebody else (Amber ring a bell?). Such characters do not interest me in the least, to me they give the impression of being an author's pet, or, to put in another way, a Mary Sue. I saw the fight several times and I can say that RAVEN DOES NOT FIGHT STRATEGICLY. IT WAS OPPORTUNISTIC. It is different, very different.

If she had fought strategically she would have frozen Cinder's Grimm arm forcing her to fight with one arm, or would have blocked the giant sword she created to leave her in a vulnerable position. I can also mention when she was flying towards her, Cinder was vulnerable to an attack and did not have to defend properly, which would cause her to fall and the rocks to fall on her causing her to lose her aura.

Instead, I take advantage of opportunities to distract Cinder for short-term advantages (when freeze your his feet to make that rock fall).

A person who fights strategically, fights in a more efficient way than his rival. Achieving a lot doing little. Raven was not strategic was opportunistic with some factors that came. And if the battle was supposed to be for that, he did very badly. Raven made almost the same movements as Cinder (and vice versa) the only differences were the fact that Raven used ice and Cinder used fire.

So I have to say that Raven had Plot Armor here.

PS: Raven also did not have her powers in a natural and proper way. Remember that I killed the previous Maiden Spiring.

As I said I have things to do in other places like the Death Battle between Kazuya and Raven.