Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-14909251-20190320235729

73.Anon.52 wrote: 1. I mean outright lied to her minions, I'm not saying she hasn't misled or withheld information as Ozpin does, but outright lied.

She has lied plenty to get people on her side. What reason do we have to believe that she has stopped? At this point, we don't know what she has told them, but it would be odd if she was suddenly honest with them.

2. Her plan never worked while Oz was with her, it was a crazy idea made of madness, that it still doesn't work doesn't prove it is not the plan, remember how her brilliant plan to usurp the gods went the first time?

Your whole argument here is basically that she is a moron or that we don't know she isn't a moron so she could be one. Her first plan to defy the gods didn't work out, but she didn't go and try again. The second plan to replace old humanity with her new humanity would seem to have failed.

Personally I suspect she thinks it actually possible to stop them this time despite the lack of supporting evidence, though she certainly isn't averse to the alternative of bringing about her own end, it likely isn't her plan A.

That could be her plan, but even then we would have to presume her minions would have no problem gambling on the possibility Salem is so persuasive that the gods don't smite all their asses.

3. You expect this of Jimmy, who went behind Oz's back to take control of Vale's defenses because he wouldn't sign off on a plan that ultimately failed? The council that canned Oz in favor of said idiotic plan? Jimmy who placed Yang on house arrest then failed to follow-up with the "victim's" hospital?

Governments don't give terrorists a pass unless they can do something that results in less deaths than letting them run free puts at risk, and these governments don't even seem to be aware of Salem yet due to Oz's group, They also don't give passes retroactively, and never unilaterally.

Look, it is fair to say by the end of this series, if there is some big epic attack on Salem's home or she launches some big epic attack, that people will know about her. Fair to point out a lot of people have been manipulated by her as well, including everyone who is treating Atlas like the enemy. Cinder would be one of many people manipulated and playing a crucial role in turning the tables would give her some favor.

4. I went over this before, but as literally ALL of Cinder's group have more likely survivability, and Hazel, Watts, Tyrian, we're talking 4 killed and 5 survivors with Cinder dead, that's so far from "ALL DEAD" that that fails as an argument, even if 2-3 more die, these aren't the only villains we'll have when we're less than halfway through the 20+ seasons.

Hard to see them stretching this out 20 seasons. As I said, though, Hazel is like the obvious save, Tyrian is probably the one who is least likely to be tolerated. If he lives, then he will almost certainly be an outlaw or in prison. Watts is hard to judge without knowing more, but he doesn't strike me as the type to turn good whatever his motivations.