Thread:The Devil's Advocate WP/@comment-24573226-20170123040730/@comment-14909251-20170126031337

VedranTheII wrote:

MiniDaggers wrote:

1. You mean besides access and the ability to weigh on the staff chat? Something that grants staff members, even rollbacks to my knowledge, a far greater awareness about the next decisions made on the wiki. The biggest example that springs to mind is the release of a new episode, page creation or large edits associated with those are typically left to staff members (regardless of position) as they have already sorted out who is going to do what. Making a normal user editing in that period ill-advised as they will more likely get in the way than assist. Or that how it seems to me, a person outside of it. Pretty much. Anything official said by Hazel or me or Spirit comes after extensive discussion with everyone present in chat at any given moment, and her voice has as much weight as any admins due to us taking a democratic approach to our decisions…and this isn’t even taking into account the fact she does the lion’s share of work, especially when compared to some of the other staff members, plus her previous experience as an admin on two separate wikis.

Calling yourself staff when compared to her contributions, DA, is simply giving yourself far more credit than you deserve given your attitude, not just to Hazel or Spirit, which you claimed are not part of the staff on separate ocasions, but to admins like Chish and Maki who explicitly told you here and I quote:

ChishioKunrin wrote: HazelQuill is, indeed, a member of staff.

I don't think you really get how all of this comes off. When I was given rollback privileges, I was not told this made me staff and there wasn't even a section for rollbacks on the staff page until over a week after I was given rollback status. At no point would I assume rollback automatically makes one staff because on Wikipedia this was a rather unremarkable privilege to obtain. Basically, anyone with enough edits to prove you weren't crazy or a vandal could get rollback privileges. No one waves around rollback status there as if it makes them a highly-respected authority figure.

Until recently, I didn't even know there was a "staff chat" and as best I can discern there is no mention on any formal pages that one exists, let alone that its purpose is what Daggers describes (I presume Dagger is just inferring this, but it does seem to be the case). Presumably that was what that Skype invite over two years ago was about, but I certainly wasn't told it was a staff chat let alone given any sense that it served the purpose it apparently serves.

You can berate me all you like for my "attitude" but when after a long break from really contributing you create a page about something that is clearly going to be important, get told it was decided in some smoky room that it wasn't going to be created yet based on an argument with no consistency or logic behind it, the page gets deleted, you get told it was "wasting" time to create the page when literally more time was wasted bickering about a page that we all knew was just gonna be created again later, you see an admin later create the page personally, try to contribute anyway despite still being a bit peeved about it, get told you are breaking rules on speculation for stating something factually accurate based on more secret decisions relayed by someone with no greater privileges than you, get suddenly dog-piled, and are then berated for not contributing enough It can reeeeeeaaaally piss you off.

To others still carrying on the argument about Ren's parents and speculation: again, I really don't consider it worth fighting over and I have no interest in discussing it further here on my wall or at all.