Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-71.84.15.225-20150807131522/@comment-25801533-20150915203637

The Bespectacled Guy wrote: 1. If a friend told you that their grandfather "passed on", would you take it to mean that he passed on a job offer, or that your friend passed him in the street? Of course not. Just because something is explained in a tactful or euphemistic way does not mean that its true meaning is necessarily hard to decipher. Yang's declaration that Summer "went away on a mission and never came back" (or words to that effect); the lyrics of RLR2 that declare "it's your blood that's red like roses", "I don't want you to waste your life in vain" and "I left you in a world that's full of madness"; Sandy Casey's outright confirmation that Summer is dead... These factors clearly signpost the true nature of Summer's "disappearance".

2. I have no idea what you're trying to say here, so I'll move on.

3. If its location, appearance and inscription don't indicate to you that it is some sort of memorial, there isn't much else I can do to convince you.

4. Cool. Wouldn't make her any less dead. Whether nor not she knew that there would be Grimm in the area she was working in for her mission is unimportant - there probably were anyway. But who's to say that that was her cause of death? Maybe she was betrayed by a team-mate, or fell down a ravine, or died of frostbite or sunstroke.

5. If you showed the lyrics of Summer's verse to anyone who hadn't seen the show, you can bet they'd suggest that the singer was dead. You can nitpick all you want, I don't believe that they would phrase the lyrics in the way that they did if Summer was still alive. They're intentionally bleak and make VERY explicit allusions to death. I will admit that I am interested by your suggestion that you " refuse to believe that is the only possible explanation''". '' I am genuinely curious to hear any alternate interpretations you might have.

6. This is probably the strongest piece of evidence you have submitted thus far. The carefully-worded manner in which he words it lends itself to the possible (but unlikely) interpretation that she might still be alive, I'll give you that. Despite that, he does imply within that very same comment that she is most likely dead, and couple that with Sandy's assertion of Summer's demise, and that theory seems to fly out of the window. 1. If someone told me somebody "passed on", you're right I would assume died. But to explain to two little girls the prospect of death is a hard thing to do and so maybe the only phrase ever used was that 'Summer is never coming home again'. This doesn't mean that Taiyang beleives her alive, on the contrary, I wager that the whole family thinks her to be dead. As for the lyrics, these lines are not outright confirmation of anything. Ive seen plenty of blood but that doesnt mean the person died. As for the other two again there is more than one way to approach the statements.The lines surrounding "You feel I left you in a world that's full of madness", seem to suggest that there is more to the story. "Wish I could talk to you, if only for a minute // Make you understand the reasons why I did it", is a fantastic example because it shows that Summer wishes she could talk to Ruby and tell her why she did something. So what is this something she wants to tell her, and why would it be written from a present tense point of view. Almost every line in this song is written as though the person were saying something right now, except for the ones where there is a reference to past events.

2. People had mention that the "dead mom coming back" motif is already being shown by Yangs mom. I was just showing that they never even believed her to be dead, just that she ran away.

3. I do believe that this is a memorial of some kind, and I believe that Ruby, Yang, and Taiyang believe Summer to be dead, and so would want a memorial for her. But this is not a grave marker, as there is likely no body burried at the edge of a cliff.

4. You're right there could be any number of things that transpired, or reasons she never came home.

5. As shown above the lyrics are written as that she knows Ruby is angry, not that she would suspect it. Summer wants to explain to Ruby "the reasons why [she] did it", but a toddler would not understand more adult concepts or reasons. Even if she were saying these things as she were dying, she would have to know that Ruby wouldnt and couldnt understand.

6. There was a couple other body language things I noticed while Jeff was giving his little speech. First was Monty, and it seemed to be just a cough, but he hold his hand at his mouth, maybe to say something underhis breath that only Jeff would hear. This actually happens at the same time as one of his pauses, possibly to hear Monty speak. Next is Kerry. Right after Jeff seems to correct his words, Kerry gets this look on his face and glances down the panel (possibly at Miles) before reaching for his phone, presumably to send a message. Its just suspicious body language.

PS: I appreciate the positive way you responded with out attacking and calling people down (hear that too much as it is). I also appreciate that you are genuinely curious about continuing this (hopefully in a constructive way that doesnt become an insult contest or rude statements about evidence and thought process).