Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-25266931-20161109232722/@comment-27082610-20161111021857

KNN005 wrote: Arkantos95: I want the show to have victories and losses on both sides. For heroes to be able to face any villain and not be like "OMG WE CAN'T WIN SIMPLY BECAUSE XXX IS TOO POWERFUL NO MATTER THE TACTIC NO MATTER WHAT THEY CAN'T LOSE!??!?!?!??" That happen in shonen stuff. There's usually the start of the manga where everyone is a good fighter, then the lead loses and the villains becomes this wall no one can surmount. Then the hero returns and beat the villains and this series of events repeats with new villains until the comic ends. I want to avoid that.

Here's an example-- Let's say Ruby is Goku and Torch was Raddicks. Now let's say Ren is Piccolo and Jaune is Krillin. Torchwick dies. World saved. Cinder arrives, let's say she's Vegeta. Ren and Jaune can't beat her, no matter what. She's too powerful. No tactic is good enough. She's just power personafied. Ruby beats her. Cinder has her tail cut off, I mean, her eye cut out and slinks home defeated. Let's call Salem Freeza/Frieza. Ren and Jaune could barely stand up to Torch and couldn't beat Cinder so no one can beat Salem but Ruby. Ruby loses. OH WOE IS US! NO WAY! Wait, chosen one, Ruby comes back a month later and wins.

THAT. I want to avoid that. The DBZ analogy already fails because Ruby isn't set up as the unstoppable protagonist. She's flawed, her combat style has been proven to be overrelyant both on her Semblance and weapon, and she can and has been beaten, hell Torchwick kicked her ass twice.Three times if you count that time she lost to a couple of mooks because she was without Crescent Rose.

Ruby and the others aren't just going to grow in power over the course of this series, they're going to grow as people. Yang is going to have to overcome depression and PTSD in order to get her life back on track and help her friends. Weiss is going to have to step up to her father, Blake is likely going to come face to face with her own demons from the past again. Jaune is going to have to overcome his guilt in order to become the person his best friend saw him as.

The point is, RWBY isn't a shonen. Ruby may have only survived V3 thanks to a deus ex machina powerup, but that doesn't mean she's infallible. She doesn't even know what she did, and the likelihood of anyone knowing how to help her is fairly low. She's going to have to go through this without demigod powers.