Thread:GreyStark/@comment-28288412-20170506220152/@comment-27404492-20170508122742

1. The Romans only started paying attention to Christianity after Jesus died. And funnily enough the a Roman historian Josephus records the death of Jesus' bother 29 years after Jesus died. So we know there was a Roman historian in Jerusalem during the lifetime of people who claimed to have seen the risen Jesus and he never records anyone say that he wasn't real. The only people who claimed that he wasn't real are people living centuries afterwards.

2. Mini, we're less ignorant, we just have more scientific knowledge. Intelligence is very different.

3. Yes. They were all his followers, after they saw him.

4. Indeed. Well also need to discuss the predictions made about him.

5. Jesus had four brothers, James, Jude, Joses/Joseph (translations vary) and Simon. Plus two unnamed sisters. I didn't misremember anything. Historians have been theorising for two thousand years over whether he was a older step brother from a previous marriage by Joseph, a younger half brother by Mary and Joseph or a cousin who was raised as his brother. But all the bible and Josephus say is "brother of Jesus"

6. What reason would he have for being devout? In the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection Jesus' own followers had abandoned him, and they likely regarded him as a false prophet (you know, cause of the whole dying thing). And Christianity wasn't a religion at that time. The early church fathers regarded themselves as jews. Christians  was what the Romans dubbed them.

7. Because the tomb was empty, with the stone rolled awayand the body was gone

8. Most of the disciples were given the opportunity to recant. If they had then they would have lived, Hell the Romans would probably given them money to travel up and down the empire tell everyone the truth about Jesus and Christianity. Instead they chose to die. St Andrew kept on preaching to passers by while he was nailed to a cross.

9. Any meteorological explanation falls short.

10. And what about the people who saw from miles away? Away from the peer pressure and any expectations of a miracle. Mini. People ruled out mass hallucinations during the days after the events. The atheists attending the event even took precautions to make sure that they wouldn't fall victim to this. They ended up converting despite this.

11. Fake and distorted memories take years to develop. Accounts that were recorded the day of the event are (reasonably) consistent with the accounts given decades afterwards. Honestly you seem to be trying to persuade yourself with these theories more than me.