Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-174.135.62.244-20160603201323/@comment-190.213.244.46-20160713001426

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: Phantomlink959 wrote:

1: No-means-no does not apply to this situation. As long as he is not forcing her into doing anything, simply asking her, there is nothing wrong legally or ethically. He has never once tried to FORCE her to do anything.

2: Generally a self-insert needs to have things in common with the person they are an insert of. By my knowledge, Jaune is inferior to Miles in every way. 1-Are you defending Jaune quasi-harrassing Weiss with his constant, cheap attempts at courtesy, with no single regard for her feelings, being too stupid to know that No-means-No? There may be nothing wrong legally, but ethically, hounding around someone to get something, even if you're not forcing them to do it, it's not much better than actual harassment.

2-What? Jaune is superior to Miles in every way.

1) Somehow managed to get to one of the most prestigious Hunter academies with obviously-fake transcripts.

2) Second day at Beacon and he already has an acclaimed Ace and Champion to fall for him with only a cheap justification for it.

3) Comes from a family of heroes, or at least warriors.

4) Has tons of Aura and hidden potential.

5) Actually got to face his bully and prove his superiority, after killing a freaking major Ursa (with help, but still).

6) Became leader of a team despite his only leaderous trait by Vol.1 being "good tactical skill", something that a leader does not need by himself (they can have a Tactician/Lancer to cover that).

Now, sure, Jaune isn't a 100% clone of Jaune personality-wise, but most self-inserts aren't exact clones of their author. No no. Most self-inserts are instead when the author "projects themselves" into a character, even ones with radically different personalities, most of the time for wish-fulfillment, doing through them what they wanted to do but can't for one reason or another.

Though besides that Jaune seems more of a simple Writer Avatar than outright self-insert. But combined with what I've said earlier about him, he does seem pretty Gary-Stuish. Honestly I dont understand how point 5 can be used to prove Jaune's possible sueness.'Look,He is to  able to  kill something (with help) that 2 other cast member killed without effort.Total Sue!'

On point 6 Ruby was chosen under the same logic.So not really helping.

On the 4th.His Aura hasn't helped him from getting his ass kicked.He as the worst singles battle ratio of the cast.Not really a Sue trait.

Point 3 is a souce of conflict for him.

Look I dont mind that people dont like Jaune but its no reason to call him a sue.