Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-27082610-20170729051211/@comment-25936766-20180219054729

Steam Gray wrote:

1) I’m also not sure if I explained this clearly- probably didn’t, but at tier 3, she is putting her entire enhancement power into a singular stat- all x 25 into just speed/strength/etc. So while she would be striking at a fearsome 152.5 m/s, her punches are only carrying around 750 lbs of force, as well as her kicks only being around 800 to 950 lbs of force, possibly.

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2) A bit OP, yes- until one begins thinking about the other Semblances out there- Yang’s for example, is probably the first and biggest counter to Cross- and this is addressing @SYUTK.

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3) Maximize Flux biggest strength is the enhancement limit, x 25- for one attribute- only a single one. That is also the huge weakness of it; to cap out at maximum level, there are pretty much no other boosts beyond whatever aura and training affords- and I do mean just whatever martial arts/huntsman training one has.

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4) The high end spectrum, is assuming that Cross is at the age and level of your more renowned martial artists; Donnie Yen, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Michael Jae White, etc, which to me, is at least 32 to 38 years old for one’s prime and peak.

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5) We all spend some fair amount of time on our ideas, we prefer to have some constructive critique instead of some rude critical tear down.

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6) I’ll probably need to go back and correct it after this hash-out is done; her total maximum for enhancement boosts, is x 25- at all times. Even if she were to focus on just two stats, she would either split it evenly into a 12.5 x for the two or do an uneven split, to grant her an edge in one stat. The x 25 boost on the other hand, is an all or nothing gamble, and if she miscalculates, she can find herself easily getting punished horribly for it.

The sensory perception boost is a passive; pretty much, she can process sensory information better and actually keep up with herself better when moving at the x 5 and higher speed levels.

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7) Now for SYUTK once more, striking force doesn’t actually equal overall speed- which I believe you are assuming.

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8) Now, since when does a mountain give out against 11,250 lbs of impact force from a punch?

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9) I don’t believe you have much of a right to say rejected SYUTK on the extreme end without taking some time to try and actually think about this logically with reason, not rule of cool and plain anime rules. Sheesh.

10) Oh, just for the record- I’d honestly do some free-writing of Yang v Cross- because I have no real idea who would win overall.

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11) So, instead of aiming to be overly critical, huffed up, and using anime examples alone, why not actually take the time to think about this Semblance, if you can without being critical, and see the possibilities?

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12) Powerful, yes- I would think any Semblance is powerful is used in the right way, but redundant/broken, I don’t think so. 1) I doubt her arms can extend to 152 meters. I know, Speed is usually measured in meters per second. But, that's more related to movement, particularly displacement, so with things like punches you should scale it down to see what it means, because arms have only so much reach.

The average human arm, as far as I've seen, is around 70-80cm. Centimeters. Now, if she can punch with a speed roughly equivalent to 152m/s, what do you think that means? How fast do you think that means she can extend her arm for a punch, in a second?

Running the calculations, if would be quite difficult to see it coming. And because of the most basic law of physics, such a hit would be quite powerful.

Next time, use only units of time to explain how fast one can punch. How fast they can finish delivering a punch.

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2) Actually, Cross pwns Yang worse than Neo and Neon and the Paladin and Adam ever did combined. Read point 10.

3) Huntsmen already are quite impressive, and explaining why to you would just be repeating my points. It should suffice to say that when the WoR about Aura said it can make one "more than just a man", it was no exageration.

Martial Artists, meawhile, even without being Masters at their trade, can be quite fast, and strong. In fact, a problem with martial arts movies is that the fighters often end up fighting so fast, the directors actually need to tell them to slow it down so the camera can actually catch up.

Add 1 and 1, and you get a fierce fighter that definitely needs no weapon to break your bones. Before Semblances are added into the mix.

When you do, everything can change. In this case, you aren't simply an inhumanly-powerful skilled fighter. You are a Demigod, whether Cross goes "Full Cowl" or just outright focuses it all on one stat - which, because that means that stat multiplies by 25, means a lot, and is the reason it's quite OP.

Hundreds of meters can be run through in a flash, carrying with it an unimaginable amount of force, and at the same time Cross can always switch to Defense if she's going to be hit. IF she can be hit, because try hitting something that can run 100+ meters in less than a second.

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4) For one's prime? Dude, by the time one reaches their middle 30s, the body is already starting to get weaker. 32-38 years old is no one's prime. Yes, exercise helps reduce the effects, but a middle-aged person won't be as physically capable as someone in their early-to-mid 20s, which is the actual prime age for Humans.

That range, is the peak, and after that peak the body stops getting stronger naturally, it gets weaker, leaving aside other factors. And it's no different for Martial Artists, or anyone who undergoes constant physical training.

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5) I laid down the facts as they were. Your Semblance is either redundant, or broken. You're the one who took it like a personal attack to your existence.

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6) First of all, x12.5 Strength and Speed boost, combined with the usual Huntsman capabilities and Martial Artist training, means that Cross could indeed invoke Saitama.

Force = Mass x Acceleration. As a Huntsman and Martial Artist, that Acceleration would be impressive already, and Cross would have the strength to make every hit quite hard. Now buff both things more than 10 times. You get One-Punch Man.

You don't see it because you take this Semblance as if it was your newborn baby. But the fact is, that tiny aspect of it is more than enough to make it OP, no matter how much you want to sugar-coat it.

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7) You assume wrong. But remember that they go hand in hand. A higher speed brings with it a higher force on-hit. Simple Newtonian physics. If you moved slowly, your hits will be weak even if you spent 3 months at the gym. If you move fast, your hits will be quite strong, at least relatively.

And in this case, Cross can either make herself faster, and obliterate everyone thanks to Isaac Newton, or she can make herself stronger, which combined with the average Huntsman+Martial Artist speed, leads to around the same conclusion.

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8) Hyperboles. What are those? Do you eat them?

Also, can I ask you just WHY are you using units of MASS to explain the force, and not units of FORCE like Newtons?

Or at least simplify it to the International, Metric System: 1lbs = 0.45Kg more or less. Since you're using Meter per Seconds to showcase the Speed, it only seems logical to keep it all Metric instead of Imperial.

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9) I looked at it and analyzed it with logic and reasoning, summer child. That's why I said it was OP with the numbers you gave, instead of merely redundant. And personally, being OP is a bigger reason to reject it than the latter.

If anything, the only thing here worth a "sheesh" is that you assumed I read it with "Rule of Cool and Anime Rules" before anything else.

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10) Cross wins. Yang's Semblance has obvious weaknesses.

1> Does not buff Defense.

2> She must survive the hit to begin with.

3> She must be able to land a hit afterwards.

By channeling All Might, Cross would be able to one-shot her Aura in 1-2 hits. "She could dodge it!", you say? Bah, when Cross is moving at x25 her normal speed, she doesn't even have enough time to blink before she's down on the floor.

And even if she survived that, when Cross is moving at x25 her normal speed, landing a hit will be absolutely impossible unless Cross lets her land one. And why the hell would Cross do that? Note: This was how Neo defeated her and how Neon almost beat her. She was unable to strike back.

Simple as that.

11) Read point 9. And stop taking this thing so personally, it's an idea for a fanon Semblance, it's not like I'm stabbing your mother just by pointing out the problems with said Semblance.

12) You don't think so because of how close-to-heart you take the criticism. You don't want to admit that it's not a good Semblance, you want to keep thinking it's perfectly fine and there's nothing wrong.

But there's a reason why people aren't supposed to dictate whether their own Semblances are fine here. There's a reason why here, one asks for other people's opinions. Because otherwise, this place ends up like Fanfiction.net, with overpowered Mary Sues and Gary Stus everywhere.

You want "constructive" criticism? Alright. The only ways I can see this thing being salvageable, are:

1> Make Cross a total and absolute weakling, worse than Jaune, so that the actual multipliers to the stats end up not being capable of turning Cross into All Might - or worse, Saitama - at a moment's notice.

2> Add an increasing Aura Cost the higher the multipliers reached. With Aura dropping quite fast at the high multipliers. So that at least the Semblance is situationally balanced by making it impractical to go to "Plus Ultra" in a sustained fight or a long mission.

3> Decrease the multipliers to a more reasonable level. Personally, x10 at most sounds perfectly fine for me. Still quite high and strong, but not stupid-ridiculously high and OP.

Also, no matter what: Drop the whole idea of the Sensorial buff being Passive. It has no need to be Passive, it makes no sense for it to be Passive when everything else is strictly Sustained, and all it does is make the Semblance more OP than it already is.