Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20170217011737/@comment-25266931-20170224062314

Why did yall detour into a Ben 10 conversation? Why didn't yall take that conversation elsewhere and private message each other? No matter how many times I stress the seriousness of this thread yall keep doing this. For the last time, if you want to do things yall's way make your own threads. Don't rework mine to be what you want it to be.

Salem doesn't seem possessed or being controlled in anyway. If anything it seems like whatever happened to her body was some kind of welcome mutation she brought on. I often liken her to Merlot but in a magic way instead of science. She may have altered her body to make herself half Grimm and thru that she acts as an alpha female or hive queen and bosses the other Grimm around when they get within her range. What other reason would the human generals working for her fear her for? A ghoul doesn't strike fear. It's a slave to a dark master. Usually a vampire or nercromancer. Salem seems like she IS the nercromancer not the slave.

I'll compromise about Cinder x Em x Salem's interaction/relationships. If they fully flesh out the exact moment Em realized she respected and needed to be with Cinder, I'll concede that her interact is more tragic than sickening. If they show that Cinder is to Salem what Em is to Cinder and that this is just one link in a long chain of "master/servant apprentice/teacher" relationships, I'll accept it as character development, albeit trite in my brown eyes. But if they continue to just have Em follow Cinder's every whim without question and ignore morality, there's gonna reach a path of no return moment. Like Cinder ordering Em to kill a kid that has something she wants (Oscar perhaps with the cane). I don't even like Oscar, but he's innocent.

Something else that would really seal the deal character development wise: Showing how long they've known and worked with each other. In the Beginning of the End episode, they kept cutting to black but didn't say how much time was passing. I figured it was months. But I could be wrong. What if it was years and that's why Cinder has had so long to worm her way into Em's psyche. Likely how Salem did to her.

Let's call it like this:

5 years ago Cinder is the newest member to join Salem's group and shows promise 4 years ago she's sent to infiltrate Vale, along the way she meets Em and recruits her 3 years ago after copping attitudes for a long while Em gives in and accepts Cinder as her master 2.5 years ago Merc joins Cinder much to Em's displeasure, Torch is sent into Vale to steal for Cinder's cause 2 years ago after planning they attack and mortally wound Amber and steal most of her power, Adam is forced to join having no scope of what the Maiden power is 1 year ago Cinder's gang hit Vale's streets and works with Torch

Looking back when Cinder scolded Torch for focusing of robbing dust stores and he didn't argue with her much, I thought it was because he was afraid of Salem who Cinder worked for. But it's likely also because of Cinder's Maiden power.