Thread:GreyStark/@comment-28288412-20170506220152/@comment-25936766-20170508234511

GreyStark wrote: 1. If your try to not kill the guy then yes. But not if you're a trained killer trying to make sure if a guy is dead.

2. Let's see, the soldier stabs Jesus in the side with his spear. That fluid builds up between the heart and lungs. The only way could have come out is through the lung. And ids like to repeat the fact that this guy was stabbing Jesus to make sure he was dead/to really like him if he was pretending.

4 crucifixion was an execution. One of the cruelest and most painful executions possible. Because of the position your in you have to pull yourself up to breath. Normally it takes days but Jesus was beaten and whipped so badly what the had to force someone else to carry his cross for him, so honestly it's not surprising that it only took six hours.

5. If this was truely the case, then where did he go? Did the disciples kill him? If so then why would they all die painful deaths for something that they knew to be a lie?

7. It still doesn't change the fact that the kind of confabulations your trying to use as an explanation fir this stuff only happens due to either schizophrenia or some major neurological problems 1-Well, for starters, if they wanted him definitively dead they wouldn't have gone through the Crucifixion to begin with, they would've just chopped his head off. Second of all, just because you are trained to kill when ordered to, it doesn't mean every attack you make will kill without fail.

2-He had been scourged hours before however. And cuts do not heal so quickly. So, no, the fluid, that built around the lungs and heart according to you, could've leaked out from any of the openings in his skin.

4-Well, yes, Crucifixion per se was meant to kill. But, it's more of a torturous punishment than an execution, since you suffer slowly. For the average person it could take about a day, maybe more than 1 day, for you to die.

Meanwhile, there's always the option of decapitation, which takes less than a minute and definitively no one can survive it. Our body can continue to work some seconds after decapitation, but not more than that.

As for Jesus dying in 6 hours due to his injuries....believable. Though the fact he was able to endure all that pain without at least losing consciousness to begin with is impressive. Who knows, maybe he was the kind of man who is willing to take all hell even if his body can't.

But still, my point remains: If they wanted him dead for sure, they would've done something else.

5-Grey, seriously, do you even read what you're saying? Do you even read what I am saying? "Something they knew to be a lie"?

I've already told you, pretty sure more than once: WHAT IF THEY FUCKING DID NOT KNOW?

Did the people of Egypt know the Pharaohs who ordered them around were not gods? No. So the Pharaohs were treated as gods and had about as many rights as one would have, including the right to retcon existing myth. Same here.

You assume they knew. I never said they knew. In fact, I'm arguing the exact contrary, that they did not know.

People die for what they believe. That they believe in something false changes nothing if they don't know it's fake.

Grey, it's basic decency to at least listen to what other people say in a conversation, let alone a discussion. It's disrespectful if you don't. Now, once or twice, I would understand since one can forget about a part of the text they were reading, or just didn't bother paying attention to it before responding.

But the amount of times you've done it by now is just irritating and insulting. If anything ruins my faith in you, it's that. It's like arguing with a recorder.

7-And here's a fact for you:

GreyStark wrote: Let's see. Major Confabulations are very rare in ordinary people, to the point where some experts support the theory that they occur because the person in question is starting to develop one of the conditions I already listed.

There, you say it right there. "SOME experts support the THEORY". That some do it, doesn't mean it's a fact. If it's a theory, it's by definition not a fact.

So don't say they "only" occur due to those things. Because that's not a confirmed fact.