Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-24573226-20171012080158/@comment-34633327-20171018234709

73.Anon.52 wrote: SpiritedDreaming wrote: So you don't think She's been playing this game almost as long as Ozpin? I'm not saying she herself approached him or that they had the same kind of relationship where he openly knows how fucked he is trying to deal with her, I'm proposing the following:

1. Spring is a lower class citizen and Cinder is higher class, Cinder and Spring learn of the power around the same time, after Spring inherits the power Cinder or another higher class citizen was supposed to get.

2. Lionheart takes custody of Spring and is such a controlling douche she runs off

3. Lionheart passes info on Amber and Salem changes Cinder's target 1. The implications are the Cinder was if anything, a lower class citizen. Her motivation has been "power" and higher class people in Mistral are said to live better lives than the lower class citizens, so unless she was just born an egomaniac who wanted power for the sake of power, she would have no reason to want power.


 * 1.1 Not to mention the idea of Cinder learning about the power from anyone other than Salem is illogical. Ozpin's conspiracy is meant to keep the maidens and their powers secret so that people like Cinder won't hunt them, and the only reason they told JNPR and Ruby, is because of dire circumstances. Pyrrha because they needed to replace the Fall Maiden and couldn't rely on their normal selection, and RNJR because Salem was targetting Ruby. Unless their was a dire situation with the former Spring Maiden, there would be no reason to tell Cinder and the current one, two random girls, about it, when there was no guarentee either would get the power. Its more likely that once the former Spring Maiden died, they searched for the new one among those close to her and those she interacted with and drafted her, with Cinder being unrelated to her.

2. While we have no idea how she was trained, Lionheart said she ran off from the pressure of being a Maiden, not because of strict teaching methods. Do you really think Raven and her Survival of the Fittest mentality wouldn't be just as bad. As for controlling, if was to keep her identity a secret, then controlling may be warranted. As look what happened to Amber, a relatively fresh fall maiden who was left to her own devices and frequented nearby towns with only Qrow to look over her on occasion.

3. This is under the assumption Lionheart even knows who Amber is. If he did, it would be a major lapse in security measures as the whole point is to keep them hidden, and spreading the information around makes it easier to find her. This is also under the assumption that Lionheart knows Amber is the current maiden. As Qrow said she was a newer maiden, it's likely Amber's predecessor passed away fairly recently in comparison to Amber being attacked by Cinder, Mercury, and Emerald. If that is the case, Lionheart would need to not only know this information, but also happen to know the identity of the very girl that would succeed the position.