Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190625182412

Megadracosaurus wrote: Honestly? I never found the stuff Cinder went through in volume 4 redemption material. I mean, think about what really, really happened with Cinder in volume 4.


 * She was resentfull of the fact that some of her peers rubbed her losing to Ruby in her face.
 * She was freaked out by a scorpion man violently beating a big ass werewolf to death while laughing like a maniac.

That's pretty much it. You don't need to somehow have a change of heart for both of these reactions. Cinder was in a vulnereble state...

As for Azula, I gotta disagree. While certainly sympathic, she's currently running a cult that abducts children in order to make Zuko look like a bad leader. That's not exactly all that redemption-like. 1. That was my point, she was(while vulnerable) in a position where her response could have begun a redemption arc, but she didn't respond in the way to start it. Now I don't disqualify her responses during that arc because while in Salem's realm indicating remorse would have been suicide, but the moment she got outside of it? Still a remorseless bitch, and willing to re-engage people with the intent to kill. that is what makes her irredeemable, and didn't happen until V5.

There is much to be said about how much farther it is to intend to kill someone who you will never have to be in a room with using a plan that puts you into the room at the time, it's why we distinguish between murder and homicide.

As for Azula, what was that stuff in? the manga? I only consider the series canon.