Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181215021300/@comment-4141313-20181225154708

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote: 1)

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4) Weiss didn't really treat him like an asshole, just get mad at him for trying to say what's best for her, and as we discussed back in the Episode 2 thread. 5) The pulling weapons thing I'd chalk up to them thinking Qrow would try to take the Relic from Ruby much like Ozpin tried a minute later, making them a bit jumpy.

6) Saying they think he's coldblooded is putting words in their mouth....

6.1) Yang, already having Raven's talons sunk into her and more prone to acting on emotion than on logic, is the opposite extreme and calls him a "bastard".

7) As for his point, it only happened like that because he let it get that far. Why did they have to ask Jinn for the information? Because he was trying his damnedest to make sure they don't know everything.

8) Yeah, he had a tragic past and didn't want them seeing it, but the entire thing could have been avoided if he was just the tiniest bit more open with them, like say, tell them that Salem's immortal but the focus isn't killing her, just stopping her from killing every thing?

9) And again, how have they all treated him badly? Only Yang, Qrow, and Jaune have had bad reactions to Ozpin specifically rather than Salem's immortality, and they all have their reasons.

10) Also, Salem being immortal does change one thing for them. Possibility versus Futility....To them, before it was a simple as taking care of an epidemic of wild boar. Now, its like trying to kill a never ending army of zombies with the capacity to think, learn, and plan.

11) And for the processing thin, one more point: They are teenagers. They won't think rationally, they won't think logically, they are hormonelly addled teenagers- 1)

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11) 1) Considering Cordovin's behavior, she'd probably still refuse to let them in, and just use the fact seven of them are students are further reason not to let them go.

2) I was thinking its just inherited energies from the GoL. While Ruby did comment on the GoL's eyes, the energy that killed the Grimm came from his entire body, making it more akin to an energy burst. So maybe the Silver Eyes are just how the power of the GoL manifests in them, and the SEW's just unleash concentrated bursts of energy.

And since Ozma's reincarnation is tied to the GoL's energy, and magic is shown to be heriditary in RWBY, its possible that Dadpin's body was affected by the reincarnation and it led to enhancing the kids with GoL juice.

I'm just spitballing here anyway, likelihood of any of this being true is slim.

3) Fair point

4) Again, she's untrusting of anyone trying to decide things for her. So I consider it less being Yang's yes woman, and more being just distrusting Ozpin at that point.

5) Except Yang repeatedly lashed out at Raven and was close to attacking her, both times only being stopped by outside factors, such as learning Raven kidnapped Weiss and Vernal pointing her Wind and Fire Blade to Yang's head.

6) Again, expecting logic, from Yang. She's emotionally unstable, quick to lash out at anyone after her PTSD, including people who don't deserve it (Remember when she flipped on Ruby and Weiss for even suggesting Blake had a reason for leaving), has abandonement issues up the wazoo, and very rarely thinks in advance in favor of letting her emotions do the thinking.

7) Oscar only interrupted him because he was able to figure out Ozpin was trying to keep them from learning anything, including the fact he lied about the questions available. So no, I don't think he would have said anything that would have done something besides delay the inevitable distrust.

8) Difference is that they would have no leg to stand on in regards to distrusting him if he was open, and since he did offer them the chance to leave before the Battle of Haven, some of them might have gone through with it. What's the point of keeping people if they're just gonna get pissed off after learning you didn't tell them the full extent of what they're doing?

Plus again, Accentuating the Negative is a thing. In a lot of cases, people tend to focus on the most negative aspect of something and ignore anything else, only to think about it more critically later. The guys haven't had the chance to really think about it over the last three days and therefore are still focusing on the negative. Maria however, who did think about it since she had no reason to be angered with Ozpin, actually did think about other factors, leading her to connecting GoL with the SEW's.

Done earlier, with more time to process it, and not keeping secrets in the process, means they'd be given more time to process it and come to proper conclusions and be more likely to trust him. Trust requires Trust afterall.

9) Again, see Accentuating the Negative.

10) They'd signed on to kill Grimm though, not join a Secret War. In fact, the only one who did was Qrow. By time they were given an out, they were already in too deep.

RNJR were all attacked by Tyrian and had to be brought in after Qrow saved them. They had been going to Haven just to find out about Cinder and avenge Pyrrha.

Weiss and Yang were forced in due to Weiss being kidnapped by Raven, and Yang saving her and wanting to find Ruby.

Blake was dragged into it after Emerald overclocked her Semblance and she got front row tickets to Giant!Salem. She had just wanted to stop Adam from destroying Haven.

They'd be fine killing Grimm, not fighting a never ending war with the woman responsible for ending Beacon and is, from their point of view, unstoppable. Their job was just kill Grimm, not fight Salem.

Plus, of the group, WBY and Jaune didn't become Huntsman to kill Grimm, they did it for other reasons. Weiss wanted to fix the SDC by being like Nicolas, Blake wanted to stop discrimination, Yang was a thrill seeker and wanted to find Raven, and Jaune wanted to live up to family's legacy by being a hero. Killing Grimm was secondary to them, not the priority. If they weren't even fully commited to killing Grimm, why would they be even remotely commited to still fighting Salem?

11) Yeah, but he's still the emotionally unstable member of the group even without the drinking. Keep in mind that over the course of two months he's had his sister and Leonardo betraying him, nearly died thanks to Tyrian and was forced to relive something from his past in a dream, generally feeling aimless without Ozpin to lead them against Salem, and learned most of his friends in Mistral were murdered.

So, hoping for him to be an adult in this situation is a pipedream.