Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-1446360-20190226181816/@comment-24018437-20190227145117

Again, in order to be redeemed, a character needs redeemeble traits and a desire to be redeemed. Cinder doesn’t want either of those things, lacks those things and is aware she lacks those things. Cinder gave up her humanity, morality and consience up a long time ago.

Just because something is unexspected, doesn’t mean its good. Cinder having a redemption arc wouldn’t work because there’s nothing to redeem. Worse, giving a character redemption who doesn’t deserve it will usually backfire.

Cinder has to change to a massive and unrealistic degree if she wants to be redeemed. Which she doesn’t.

You still haven’t given any valid reasons why Cinder deserves redemption beyond ‘its unexspected and therefore good’ and your general favor of villains. Nor have you replied to any counter arguments why she doesn’t deserve one, aside from the one’s I just named.