Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171208180706/@comment-2001:8A0:D21E:3301:AD2E:C96E:E038:1323-20171212001630

2600:1017:B111:B29A:501C:9B1A:A836:3891 wrote: Yeah but a lot of people say a lot of different things. I'm hearing a lot of people saying they want show not tell this volume. They did that with Yang character in Vol 1 and the first part of Vol 2 but people kept asking for yang to tell her back story because they needed her "to tell her back story to understand her character." You can thank us fans for asking the characters to come out and say this or that happened rather than the writers showing or hint such things because the community kept saying "they need to come out and say it to clear things up."

They're listening to us fans, and now we're upset that RT is focusing on previous feedback rather than what feel like we fancy today. They're giving us a lot of what we asked about in previous volumes. So can we stop being upset with RT when it turns out what we asked for doesn't turn out to be all that great, or when we have an opinion they haven't gotten around to hear from yet?

-Defcon Deceiver What did people demanded on V1 and 2? Yang's backstory? Considering how much that influenced Yang, they did need to tell it. I mean, until Yang talked to Blake, I thought that her and Ruby were sisters, not just half-sisters. Were there any hints of that not being the case before? Also, Yang is one of 5 main characters (I'm counting Juan as one too), so it's natural her backstory to be there if it impacts her actions (which it does). Compare that to learning that Raven and Qrow went to Beacon because they wanted to kill huntsmen: we knew they both grew up in a tribe of bandits, we know where each one of them is now - we don't need to every step they took before becoming who they are now if it doesn't impact the story. Way better would be to be explained why Raven left Oz - in the episode "Family", I thought it was because her and Qrow have different concepts of the word family, but in this season it seems to be because she resents Oz and finds his fight pointless. In the same episode she mnetioned that Salem wanted humanity destroyed, so I see 2 options: 1) they don't fight, Salem wins and everyone dies; 2) they fight. Of course the last one can lead to 3 scenarios: they die in battle, and Salem wins and everyone dies; they die, but manage to take down Salem, so everyone else gets to live (which could include her daughter); they win and Salem is defeated (temporarily or for good). Option number 1 doesn't seem to the best even if option 2 sucks and the odds are against them. Also, Oz and Salem seem to be wanting to take each other down for ages, yeah he has failed, but so far, she hasn't won either, so he atthe very least succeeded in the whole not-let-humanity-be-destroyed, so why is he a failure?

Also, RT may have a problem with Show vs Tell, but honestly, I think the bigger problem is even as far as talking goes, they're not telling much that we didn't already know. "Just because you're talking doesn't mean you're communicating".

I don't know all criticisms done to the show and I have seen some that I definitely don't agree with, but recognizing which ones will be appropriate (and when) for your story is also part of a writer's job. For example, someone here mentioned Pyrrha's family and I think they have no place in the story unless they actually play a role in it - we don't need to see how they are handling her death - we don't know them, therefore that would mean nothing to us. To me, including them is an awful advice, but let's imagine many agree with that person and the writers read that point. Now they can think how they would react themselves if they were shown characters they've never met grieving. Considering they probably watched animes, series, movies or read books before, I'd guess they don't even have to imagine, they can recall what that experience was like and decide if it would be a good idea to include that in their story or not.