Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-14909251-20190319231002

73.Anon.52 wrote: 1. I'm not taking it as fact, I'm taking it at face value. We have no indication she's lied at all, something others have repeatedly pointed out while accusing Ozpin of being evil. I'm also taking it as irrelevant as SALEM WILL BE DEAD BEFORE THE END OF THE SHOW.

Do you mean "we have no indication she's lied recently"? We definitely know she has lied. To believe she is not lying to her subordinates would require us to believe that at some point she concluded honesty was the best policy and all of her subordinates are fine with it. More likely she is either withholding details of her plan or outright lying to them. Oz and Salem have been set up as essentially two sides of the same coin. None of it is irrelevant as it comes down to what Cinder believes she is doing by working with Salem.

2. Remember her plan when Ozpin 1 had kids with her? she plans to use their power, not summon them, destroy humanity, then start over as the "Humanity 3"'s Goddess, that plan as presented is the exact plan her minions have indicated being told to them, it's also the last plan we KNOW she supported, anything else is purely Ozpin and fan speculation as to her motives.

Her plan with Oz involved them being together and breeding a new humanity into existence. That isn't gonna work anymore. She has to have a different plan and since it is indicated Oz told her about the judgment day thing, then it is safe to say she knows what happens when all the relics are brought together. It also lines up with what she has been doing by setting out to drive wedges between humanity.

3. What in gods name do you think Cinder could be doing of military value for four distinct governments to make her NOT a terrorist threat when she has wronged 3 of them and the 4th barely functions, long after Salem is dead and Grimm possibly cease to exist as threats? She can't say, "here Jimmy, I'm a good girl now that I helped you 1 time..." She hurt Mistral and Vale too, and cost all 3 damage beyond measure, if she joins one, the others will need recompense and assurance that wmd of a terrorist won't be used against them.

I'm not saying she would be doing anything for anyone. Rather, if she flipped and was essential in their victory, having her promptly executed afterwards would be kind of a dick move. They would appreciate the role she played and basically agree to her living in some circumstance where everyone is left alone as their thanks.

Soniczero000 wrote: He has a point. This type of argument is what's wrong with cartoons and movies now. We have so many people trying to redeem people who have done some of the most disgusting acts history and ignore those who have committed minor crimes and treat them like they've done worse. Take Steven Universe for example; they're trying to redeem space nazi's. I'm sorry but If you see your race superior to others and wipes them out to create more of your race as well. So yeah at the end of the series Cinder needs to die. Can't speak to Steven Universe, but literally the defining struggle of this series is one of dividing people vs. uniting people. The villains are seeking to divide people, while the heroes seek to unite people. You don't deliver the message of unity by killing off basically every villain and showing them no mercy for their past actions even if they turn against the main villain. Granted, their handling of Adam suggests they might not be up to the task of selling any of that and will default to the simplistic black and white outcome as the "good end" of the series. Hopefully, that will not be the case.