Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-14909251-20190318203130

73.Anon.52 wrote: 1. We aren't talking about a character's "arc" we are talking about a character's "death" and how certain it is within the narrative, which is vastly easier to be certain about.

2. Salem's carrot is unimportant as she will also be dead by the end of the show, it's pretty clear none of these characters save Tyrian may want her endgame, but they're assuming it is also inevitable, and she is more than capable of fulfilling her devil's bargains, stop pretending otherwise.

3. Those weren't "shocks" they were full blown reinventions, Salem is far from Cinder's puppet master at this point, her every action is one of defiance for Salem's plans, but none of that matters, before or after Salem, the question is not WHEN she will die, it is IF.

4. We can be certain that she will die because she cannot change the fact that she led a terrorist attack against 2 of four nations, not Salem, Cinder herself, this means that even were RWBY to forgive her, humanity wouldn't. We really can't be certain of any of that at all. One thing we absolutely cannot be certain of and that you seem be taking as fact, per your usual arrogance, is that they all know exactly what Salem has planned. There is no reason to believe that she has told any of them everything. Hazel and Cinder are both cases where, if her plan is eradicating humanity by bringing down the wrath of the Gods, there is absolutely zero reason to believe they would be on board with it. Also, it is unlikely Tyrian is fully aware of Salem's background given he calls her a goddess. This is literally how Salem has been consistently shown to operate throughout history. She never tells anyone everything and lies straight to their faces to earn their loyalty.

Forgiveness isn't really the issue here. Humanity doesn't have to forgive her for her to survive. She is ultimately a soldier and if she were to at a certain stage flip, then there would be considerations from the people at the top. Were that to happen, it would also be used to publicly rationalize any leniency shown to her if necessary. All of it would be conditional on her behaving herself, of course.