Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31098022-20170218174614/@comment-31098022-20170304141817

Ozpin Vs. Cinder: Maybe Salem knew for a fact that Cinder couldn't possibly take down Ozpin and was wondering why Ozpin let himself be killed. Also Ozpin couldn't kill Cinder because then they would need to find the knew Fall maiden or maybe it would go to whoever Cinder had in her final thoughts but it doesn't seem like she knew anyone who the powers couldn't go to besides Emerald. Still having to find the new maiden would be preferable to letting Salem have a maiden.

Qrow technically point blank says I don't know where the relic is either. He answered Raven's question. Raven dodged Qrow's question.

The Raven plot will definitely be getting interesting especially considering the way Raven's tribe has their values in strength. I wonder if Raven is training the spring maiden. It would be quite the interesting revelation for Yang, for her to meet the person her mother left her to raise if Raven is training the spring maiden because I can't imagine her not.

Tyrian: so that's what you meant. Yeah I could see Tyrian being like Hisoka. For example we know that Tyrian's interest in Jaune is purely personal. I don't see Tyrian acting exactly like Hisoka though because I don't see Tyrian saving Jaune's life if he gets in danger just to ensure that Jaune can reach his potential. He seems too devoted to Salem for that. Also no one has mentioned seeing potential in Jaune besides Tyrian. Pyrrha mentioning that he has a lot of aura doesn't count as seeing potential.

Maybe something did happen to him to affect his eyesight. The theory is really good though.

Chess pieces: True.

In the original story Cinder was only there for the relics but it seems that at least for now the relic are taking a backseat to the maidens.

Judging by personality I would guess

Ruby would get creation maybe. I can't really think of a reason for this except the rest have better options.

Jaune would get choice because even though everything in life would have pushed him away from being a hunter he still chose that path.

Yang would get destruction considering her personality and semblance but that could just as easily be Nora.

Nora could technically get destruction as well but I think knowledge would probably be a better choice considering she was able to be the voice of reasoning and calm Ren down in Kuroyuri.

Personally I don't think the relics will be owned by any of the characters. Some situations may call for using the relics but I don't think they will be owned as they are too dangerous to keep which is why the king hid them.

I don't think Ozpin is evil either but there are like 5 songs that call Ozpin out on his methods being less than ethical and more than questionable.

Arc siblings: Yeah Yang meeting a Rapunzel based character would be funny. Maybe all of Jaune's sisters are based on blonde characters or maybe they are all princesses like you said. I could see his whole family having a yellow theme. Not as cool as a rainbow theme in my mind but still viable.

I don't think his blood family is dead either but I just thought I'd mention it.

Yep if they wanted a son there had to be a reason. But I can't think of one. So maybe Jaune isn't the youngest and he just has a big family for no reason. There are lots of families in real life with lots of kids. But you did make a point earlier where you said that so far no one else has that big of a family so it might be a plot point after all.

Agreed it would make sense to name the males after the color yellow because of the sword but that doesn't justify needing to have a son to me.

Maybe the king was the wizard's first attempt at having kids and only his son or sons retained some power while his daughters didn't. That could explain why each generation would require at least one son and this could explain Jaune being the youngest and only son. It however doesn't explain why Jaune's parents would know to have at least one son and then shelter him despite him being born to hold onto that power. Unless the king just told his family that it's an Arc family superstition that all Arc sons must have at least one son. Your theory could use some work yeah but there is no such thing as a a theory being made perfect from scratch. It needs to be edited, thought over and then left for a while so you can come back to it and see if you still feel the same way.

For all we know the king's aura could be a special hereditary aura like the Schnees' family aura except maybe it's only passed down from father to son like certain real life traits.

Sure.

Yeah I can't wait until we meet his family. It's going to be really interesting and will answer a bunch of questions. I don't think we'll be seeing them for a while though. Definitely not until volume 6 unless they live in Mistral but I don't think they do.

The only new family that we will meet in volume 5 will probably be Pyrrha's which will help Jaune finally get over his grief. Maybe after that he'll write a letter to his family telling them about Pyrrha and we can see them read it. Kind of like how Ruby wrote her letter to Yang but seeing Jaune's family read it instead of Jaune writing it.

Jaune getting overprotective Pyrrha will help his character grow a lot.

Ozpin choosing the leaders: I find it extremely unlikely that Ozpin didn't know about Ruby having silver eyes. He knew her mother and Summer was pretty much his Queen piece previously. Also since the silver eyes seem to be hereditary he would have definitely wanted to check up on Summer's daughter. Also I would argue that Ruby is far more integral to Ozpin's plans then Jaune so why would he possibly manipulate so much to get Jaune but not do anything to try and secure a silver eyed warrior.

He had to know about Ruby considering all of her circumstances. I severely doubt that Ozpin's plans needed an Arc but not a SEW.

Unless he decided that he needed something else considering the last SEW warrior (Summer) did fail and Salem did say that they know how to deal with them.

Getting into Beacon: True. Maybe Tai just tricked Qrow. True the whole uniform thing and practicing a landing strategy is an inconsistency.

It's not that Ozpin wasn't giving a direct answer but Jaune was asking the right questions. Also Jaune wasn't the first to be launched he could have got off at any time.

As for Jaune's dad maybe he isn't a huntsman and the landings strategy thing is only known to huntsman and huntresses. Or maybe he figured that Jaune would find out about it and use common sense and leave as discouraging Jaune would not have been a good idea.

Ozpin has been planning whatever his endgame is for probably generations. He makes mistakes so he probably plays around with what kind of pieces he uses each time to see what works.

Actually maybe Ozpin actually didn't know anything about Jaune and wasn't involved at all with his fake transcripts because he was so distracted by Ruby being there. So Glynda was trying to bring it to his attention. After all Jaune wasn't going to get anywhere in Beacon if it wasn't for the whole Cardin incident that lead to Pyrrha training him. And Ozpin wasn't taking any steps to make sure that he was prepared for anything. Jaune had the biggest disadvantages of anyone at Beacon.

Also is it so weird that Jaune didn't have his aura unlocked? Pyrrha sure didn't act like it was important. Which was extremely odd. But she did react to his fake transcripts which area even a necessity as seen from Blake.

It will definitely be interesting to see how Jaune will interact with his family the next time we see them because of all he's been through. I could see them forcing him to stay because of everything that happened and how they seem to shelter him. Then either Jaune or someone else (maybe Oscar/Ozpin) will have to convince them.

If he does need Jaune then why? If one of his parents is a huntsman and an Arc then get them. I can understand him needing Ruby as he doesn't know any adults with silver eyes but he should have been able to get someone besides Jaune.

But if it's not because of someone that he is related to then why would Ozpin need Jaune at all. Ozpin seems to have taken absolutely no interest in Jaune so far besides making him leader. Unless he saw something in him like Tyrian but I don't think Jaune and Ozpin would have ever met before. What could Jaune possibly have and how would Ozpin know that Jaune has it. But he could have made Glynda focus more on training Jaune.

I don't think that he wanted Jaune to die either but he didn't do anything to stop it.

We don't know exactly how aura unlocking works those. It's probably just easier to have someone else unlock it for you but you can probably unlock it yourself in cases of extreme stress or life or death danger. I'm pretty sure that Ren unlocked his aura and semblance due to the trauma of what happened in Kuroyuri. Ozpin was probably banking on Jaune unlocking his own aura in the life or death situation of plummeting to his certain doom. And if not then Jaune wasn't the Arc he was looking for. It would be sad and dark yes but Ozpin has sacrificed people before for his plans.

To me it seems like whatever Ozpin's plans are they require an Arc.

Also if he possesses some special trait then why didn't Qrow tell him about it. He did tell them about almost everything else after all. Considering the fall of Beacon now would be a good time for RNJR to hone any special traits they got.

Also Ozpin still runs a school. He had to let in some people he doesn't need. Also I think his family stopped being warriors after the war. If Corea Mors was the weapon of one of his parents and they were a huntsman or huntress he was have held it in higher regard.

Qrow getting RNJR together: Agreed. I'm surprised that they didn't figure out Qrow's involvement already. Jaune should've asked Ruby why does she want to go to Haven and She would have answered Qrow. And Ruby would have asked Jaune how they found her and he would have answered Qrow.

Unless Qrow only used Ruby by telling her about Haven and telling her where JNR were.

The king giving up power: True and true again but that would have been a problem when every incarnation of the Wizard. Unless the king was the first time the wizard decided to have kids and see how it would play out. After all as king he had all the resources to hide and protect his family.

Ozpin and the King: This is a random thought about the king but what if he wasn't Ozpin's predecessor. Ozpin was set up to be this chess player like person. He uses other people as pieces and almost never does anything himself. Sure he fought Cinder but in all honesty he should never have went down to Amber to try and do the transfer with Pyrrha. Considering how powerful he is half maiden Cinder wouldn't have stood a chance. I mean Pyrrha did a great job against full maiden Cinder so she could have probably taken half mainstream Cinder. It's almost like he wanted to lose the maiden. Also Amber lost because she was an amateur, Pyrrha would fare no better unless he meant that Amber wasn't a huntress in training before she got the Fall maiden powers. And even then why was there no huntsman constantly guarding Amber. Qrow was there but with his semblance he wouldn't have been able to stay close. A huntsman that could always be right next to Amber would have been a better choice. It really paints the picture to make it look like Ozpin offered up Amber as bait to force Salem to make a move and put her plan in motion. The idea for all of that being bait is also helped when Cinder says " She was right about you. Such arrogance." Though Cinder might have been referring to the wizard's faith in his maidens.

Also from what we know of the king he went to the front lines of the battle to see to it they won personally. That's not Ozpin's style. Ozpin uses other people. What if the previous King of Vale was Ozpin's predecessor's king piece. This way Ozpin was just pulling the strings of what happened back then. That could actually be more consistent than Ozpin's predecessor being the king. It would explain Ozpin saying how he helps build the schools. The wizard can have been guiding the king and telling him what to do and to hide the relic. The wizard seems to be more of a person to control the show from backstage and behind the curtain unlike what a king must do.

Then again maybe with Ozpin the wizard just decided that it was time for a different approach that with the king.