Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25247233-20160513080632/@comment-27997419-20160523113653

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: All this "It's just business talk" doesn't persuade me at all, because I have seen so much horrible behavior justified on the grounds of it being "just business" that it seems more like an empty excuse than a rational argument. Business is exactly what you make of it and not every business is run or has to run the same as another business, especially when you are in the business of creating artistic works. This...

The Devil's Advocate in his past 3 posts summarised all that which I have been trying to say.

The discussion is not about whether the business acted like a business or not...

It's about whether the action was ethically correct or not. Whether Monty is truly being honoured or not with the direction RWBY is going, not only plotwise but also as a project.

The best discussion I felt I had was with @Someone whose point was that Shane was too emotional and had an unhealthy obsession with Monty. But the other member of the RWBY project were still acting in a manner that Monty would be happy with. This to me as an argument was acceptable....

But as Devil's Advocate pointed out, just using the argument "It's just business" really feels like it's fan boys of RT trying to not get their pride hurt that RT could actually be so ruthless as to behave unethically, instead you are claiming in a very sociopathic fashion that the it's how business works. But that is not what the argument is about...because everyone already knows this!!

Instead, the argument is whether their attitude is ethical or not, not only towards Shane, but the entire RWBY project and other members of the team that had left for the same reasons.

The thing about JJ...he said it himself that he left because of how he and other team members were being treated. And this is part of the argument, are RT treating their employees (and RWBY for that matter) ethically. Are they TRULY honouring Monty in their actions?

And if your answer is "It's just business", you are simply proving my argument right. By stating that it doesn't matter whether it's ethical or not, because it's business...you are avoiding the answer in favour of an excuse to reduce the guilt of the company.

I have already mentioned this before, but I will mention it again...we are currently living in very different times. We are living in a time when what was usually considered acceptable, is not being considered acceptable anymore. What used to be acceptable actions for business to take, people are now finding it unacceptable. And companies are taking actions accordingly with this change...as Darkcloud mentioned even Pixar is taking changes accordingly.

Facebook works differently than traditional businesses. Google too. And many other companies.

There was a huge argument about this with Tesla when some employees complained about being over worked or fired.

It's not about whether it is business or not, but about whether the business is acting acceptably according with current ethical grounds.