Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-35455126-20180704210250/@comment-26168584-20180706123916

For all we know, Salem put some ideas into Cinder's head that may not even be true.

Look at how she can control Tyrian. You could tell she knew exactly that no physical punishment would be as harsh for Tyrian as telling him how disappointed she is.

And Qrow also put it nicely that Salem is smart enough to operate in a way that when things go wrong, they can blame and point fingers to each other.

She is a master manipulator and is playing this chess game against Ozpin for hundreds or thousands of years. Ozpin has his reincarnations and shaped the world by doing so.

Salem could do the same and while not shown to reincarnate, over so many years, she should still be able to work her way through history that could end up having affected Cinder in some way to define and shape her. It doesn't even have to some story like a dead family.

Salem and Ozpin pretty much control the flow of Remnant's history with their war. There can be some event or data in history that Cinder might look back on and turned her the way she is.

But issue is, Salem and Ozpin left their mark on history so much that said event or data in itself could have been wrong, falsified, plotted or even be part of a bigger scheme.