Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190316023904

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

1. It doesn't have to be a 100% as all it really needs is that she no longer wants to fight the heroes. Being good and chummy isn't what is required. All that is required is that Cinder gives up on her desire to be powerful and stops trying to get revenge. She doesn't have to "turn good" to do either of those things.

2. Not sure why you think Tyrian's survival is at all plausible. He, far more than Cinder, is unlikely to stop being a threat. Even if he somehow abandons or gives up on Salem if that is what you are implying, his underlying nature doesn't seem likely to change.

3. With Watts it currently doesn't matter as we have no real reason to care and he could just as well die as live without either outcome mattering.

4. Cinder's underlying nature isn't very clear, but it definitely isn't the kind that suggests she will always be violent and murderous. 1. Except she does need to feel a good measure of that just to forgive Ruby for taking her eye and arm enough that she doesn't hunt Ruby after the fact. Cinder's reasoning over V4 and her flashback was clear, she wanted the power she felt entitled to, and then after being injured she wanted power for revenge to the point she endured grim transplantation, unless Ruby is dead at the end(which is a possibility, but not likely) for what purpose could she possible be trusted to cease hostilities?

2. My point is that if Salem dies amiably Tyrian has a better chance than Cinder at being OK ceasing hostilities, sure Ruby cost him an ass-hole but if his Goddess says she's OK... I feel it would be about 50/50 odds he takes that well. I don't honestly expect he'll live that long, but it's better odds than Cinder has.

3. Agreed, my point was his odds vs Cinder's

4. See #1. We know what we need to know about how she responds from V4, We know broadly what she wanted them for initially from V3, we further know what the Grimm inside her body are controlled by; either her will or by fear of her. if she gives just an inch she could die at any time, unless she loses an arm again or gains a new reason for living.