Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-26417457-20190905232433/@comment-14909251-20190915232917

ChishioKunrin wrote: True, though the plan with Haven would not have gone anywhere near as bad if Cinder hadn't changed the plans, which is probably what Salem is most pissed about.

They were supposed to just show up to the school before the second semester began, while the only person there was Lionheart. He would then open the entrance to the vault for them because he was obeying Salem. Cinder, Raven, Vernal, and possibly also Hazel, Mercury, and Emerald would then go into the vault and open the door, and hopefully, Cinder would retrieve the Relic for Salem. Once they finished getting the Relic, they would leave the school, and the White Fang would then blow up the school. Very, very simple. No goody-two-shoes Ozpin followers to get in the way... until Cinder changed the plan and specifically set it up so that Ozpin's followers would be there, where they could, in fact, get in the way.

Sure, Blake and the Menagerie Army would have still shown up, but they didn't show any interest in entering the school building. The terrorist plot would have failed, but Cinder and co wouldn't have had so much interference. Even if Raven did betray Cinder and escape with the Relic, Salem would have had to go after the tribe, possibly with the help of the Grimm being attracted to the Relic. However, since Yang was the one who got her hands on it, the Relic is on its way to the protection of Atlas, which is harder to take it from. As I said, it was Raven's idea to turn it into an ambush and she made it conditional on her involvement. They could have just attacked the tribe then, but it is also less likely they would have succeeded in their plans if that happened. Basically, the plan was full of holes from the beginning and Cinder kind of noticed that, so she decided to do things her way. Currently, she doesn't understand why Salem would allow someone like Ruby to live given how much of a threat she poses to them and Cinder personally. Once more, she has decided to do things her way. Doesn't mean it is gonna work out, but it probably wasn't gonna work out anyway.

73.Anon.52 wrote: not really, they would have killed everyone if Cinder actually killed opponents rather than leave them to bleed out out of spite. Pretty convenient how even when she doesn't kill people this somehow still proves she was doing it for evil purposes. I mean, she was only not taking the time to kill people so she could keep to the actual mission she was ordered to carry out.