Thread:GreyStark/@comment-28288412-20170506220152/@comment-28288412-20170507213305

GreyStark wrote: 1. What solid evidence? http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

2. I also feel that the fact that Jews (you know those guys who've maintained their own history free of the bias of Christianity) have never claimed that Jesus wasn't a real figure is a excellent factor.

3. Palestine was the birth place of Christianity, the centre of the early church. Oh and it was the centre of Judaism. Now if a guy goes around Jerusalem saying "listen up this lad, called Jesus was crucified by the romans a few years ago, and guess what, he came back from the dead" do you honestly think that anybody would believe him?

4. Instead the Jews at the time claimed that he was a sorcerer and that his disciples stole the body, but that the Jewish authorities got it back.

5. Now do you see a problem with that particular claim? If they had the body then why'd they not use it to disprove the resurrection?

6. (There's also the problem of the apostles also preferring to die painfully rather than confessing to stealing Jesus' body, which would have killed Christianity )

7. As for the miracle of the Sun stuff, can you explain how no observatories observed any particularly interesting stuff going on that day?

8. How thousands of atheists had enough faith to see a miracle that they (though that they) knew wasn't going to happen?

9. And how people report see the miracle as soon as they looked at the Sun? ( the staring too long at the Sun thing takes like ten seconds to kick in) 1. 2000 year old eyewitness accounts being looked at by ancient people with anywhere from a 100 to 400 year gap. Not exactly what I'd call solid really, also once again a christian site as the source meaning bias is very much on the table in favour of saying Jesus exists.

2. True. Though to my knowledge they never believed him to be the son of God himself. From my experience, it depends on the person but current jewish viewpoints can range from Jesus being a prophet of somekind to just being a guy who existed.

3. You can have some very gullible people in this world, especially in ancient times.

4. Never heard that personally, although I haven't really looked into it.

5. "That's not Jesus" -Random Guy who claims to have known or at least have seen Jesus

6. So they died for their religion. That ain't exactly unusual in the devout, especially ancient devout.

7. Relative location.

8. They had sufficient belief to just humor the thing and go out of their way and their normal lives to see the shit. That combined with power of suggestion, mass hysteria, staring at the sun which people don't go out of their way to do and pay attention to affecting their perception and yeah, it's possible.

9. Misremembering.