Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171208180706/@comment-2600:1017:B111:B29A:501C:9B1A:A836:3891-20171212065705

2001:8A0:D21E:3301:AD2E:C96E:E038:1323 wrote: 2600:1017:B111:B29A:501C:9B1A:A836:3891 wrote:

-Defcon Deceiver What did people demanded on V1 and 2? Yang's backstory? Considering how much that influenced Yang, they did need to tell it.

Also, RT may have a problem with Show vs Tell, but honestly, I think the bigger problem is even as far as talking goes, they're not telling much that we didn't already know. "Just because you're talking doesn't mean you're communicating".

I don't know all criticisms done to the show and I have seen some that I definitely don't agree with, but recognizing which ones will be appropriate (and when) for your story is also part of a writer's job. For example, someone here mentioned Pyrrha's family and I think they have no place in the story unless they actually play a role in it - we don't need to see how they are handling her death - we don't know them, therefore that would mean nothing to us. To me, including them is an awful advice, but let's imagine many agree with that person and the writers read that point. Now they can think how they would react themselves if they were shown characters they've never met grieving. Considering they probably watched animes, series, movies or read books before, I'd guess they don't even have to imagine, they can recall what that experience was like and decide if it would be a good idea to include that in their story or not.

1. I shortened up the quotes to save space.

2. My original post was rebuffing comments about how RT doesn't listen to it's fandom by giving an example of both when they did, and why they likely think they need to 'tell' us so much.

3. People were saying that Yang wasn't defined as a character before she told Blake her Backstory. While we needed to know her backstory to understand her later development, Yang's overall attitude and behavior let us know that she was was a caring older sister type and a thrill seeker far before that. Which is why when she told Oobleck that she was a thrill seeker no one was really surprised. I think it was a good example of show not tell for characterization but many were griping that Yang had no characterization until she talked about herself. Rt likely got the impression that the fandom wants them to 'tell' us about certain things. So now it seems they either 'Show and later on tell' or 'Don't show and only tell' which sucks as I do like when they 'Show don't tell.'

3. I liked what you said about criticism, as writers they do need to pick and choose. I've been following RWBY since it aired, and found these forums when they were undergoing intiation. From one volume to the next to the next, I've seen RT listen to the fandom more valid criticisms and improve. Which makes me feel the need to point this out to people who don't seem to understand that RT can't just turn their story line and animation production around at the drop of a hat. Rt staff have talked about how it came down to the wire to finish the final episodes of vol 3 before they aired. Once the season has begun airing they probably don't have the time to redo everything based on our criticism and they just have to keep it in mind when they start planning out the next volume.

4. I liked what you and 73.Anon.52 said about Ozpin and salem. Neither one has succeded or failed, only gotten the upper hand in a stalemated war.

-Defcon Deceiver