Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181229081856/@comment-25936766-20190109221948

BlizzardDragon

wrote: 1) You people do realize that a lot of characters in media have done worse and still got redeemed, right? Does Vegeta ring a bell?

2) And by the by, the only crime either of them did that anyone would really care about was the false ploy on Yang, and offing Penny.

3) Tukson...didn't seem to be trying to redeem himself, just run away...

4) Even the fall of Beacon everyone blames Cinder more for, seeing as Ruby tried to talk Emerald out of working with Salem during Haven.

5) The only beefs they have is with Penny and Yang. And considering Penny could easily come back into the story, and what Yang did was more letting her temper flare and doing what they wanted her too, most of their rap sheet is negligable. 1) So you're saying that just because DBZ did it with Vegeta, it magically is good writing if other characters in other shows get redeemed, just because "they did less than him"? Please.

Just because Vegeta did worse than both of them it doesn't mean that what they did should be easily forgiven. Even Ilia, your Karma Chameleon, didn't do as much as The Ones here.

2) And what about being willing accomplices in Cinder's plan of taking down Beacon and causing a Grimm Horde to break into Vale (twice), putting at risk countless lives in the best case scenario? You speak as if the only one responsible for a crime is the one directly doing it, while any helpers they had are free of all guilt and charges.

If anything, the fact that she gave as little fucks about people as Merc the trained assassin with shitty childhood so long as it was for Cinder, only makes her harder to forgive.

3) While I agree with everything else there, let's consider this: Blake did exactly the same thing Tukson was trying to do. Get away from the terrorist organization that is just a far cry from the protest group it was years before.

The fact that he was even thinking of leaving instead of remaining like Ilia and the foxy duo says nothing but positive things about him.

4) >Ruby. Your argument there fell apart the moment you tried to use her name.

Ruby is a shining little ball of sugar and optimism. She's been that from day 1 and it didn't change after Vol.3, if anything she was flanderized into an optimistic girl to the point where she seemingly didn't give a crap about almost everything that happened around her until Vol.6.

So, we have this girl, who is nothing but optimism. Trying to forgive Emerald, of all people. And you think this serves as a good example that no one blames Emerald for even a part of what she's done with and for Cinder?

5) So the fact that Emerald helped kill Penny - plus everything else in the Fall of Beacon - doesn't matter because Penny "can be rebuilt"? She helped kill someone with no fucks given about it, but simply because that someone "can come back", there's nothing wrong with it?

Do you even realize how that sounds?