Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31098022-20170218174614/@comment-31098022-20170315153912

Ozpin VS. Cinder: Agreed. But considering how optimistic a person Ruby is I think that Jaune would have to be the one to bring it up if they mention it at all and say something like Cinder just got the powers and took both you and Pyrrha down one after the other, how can you believe that we can take her down now that she's had even more time to master her powers.

Raven and Qrow: Agreed.

Tyrian: True. Nothing can stop him from checking up on Jaune in his free time.

It will be interesting to see what they have planned with Tyrian and Jaune.

I'd like one too but maybe there isn't. There should be though considering he was interested in fighting Qrow though who he called a true huntsman.

Tyrian couldn't really see Qrow's punches coming so I would guess that his vision is all around bad but I guess he was caught off guard as he was blocking Ruby's bullets and didn't expect Qrow to attack without his weapon so maybe he is near sighted. Also his style of fighting is up close and personal which would make sense if he can't far.

True but out of all of RNJR I think that Nora would have impressed him most when she came at him after she was charged up with electricity. But he did state his interest before that happened so maybe first impressions are all that matter to Tyrian.

Yeah Jaune did give him the most fierce look despite being well Jaune. Jaune has shown himself to be brave though.

Relics: True. The relics were probably a dead giveaway that the king was Ozpin and Salem not knowing who the wizard is is a huge benefit to Ozpin so he needed to hide them because he couldn't protect them properly once he went to his new body and Salem would have had an idea of where to look for all the relics unless he separated and protected them.

Do you think they showed us all the relics in the video or not? He could have had other things on him but they just weren't very visible so they weren't included in the story.

I don't see Ruby getting the cape if it is a relic just because she has a cape. I would like a deeper meaning for who gets which relic beyond you already have something similar so trade up. Also we can assume that her cape was given to her by Summer so I don't think she'd trade it for anything.

True Qrow did mention them but I meant the sword which is what most would assume was what the king used to kill all those people actually being the thing which killed all those people would be way to obvious. Unless being too obvious was Ozpin's plan. He truly is the chess master.

That's actually a very interesting idea. That the relics shape shift. Maybe when they get a new wielder they adopt the form of whatever the user associates with the gift they represent. Like those enchanted weapons and armors which change with each new user.

Like one wielder associates knowledge with a crown so the relic of knowledge takes on the shape of a crown but the next user of the relic of knowledge associates knowledge with a book so the relic takes on that shape.

That would be quite interesting and a good way to hide the relics and like with the maidens there would almost never be two of the same. This way no single object gets a reputation for being powerful. I could see the Gods doing that.

And that would explain why the scepter and cane look different as even though Ozpin and the king are both the wizard as we've seen from Oscar the wizard enters someone else's body so the relic took the shape of what Ozpin associated with knowledge and that's how he got his trademark cane.

That doesn't explain why the cane didn't shape shift when Oscar got it but maybe you need to activate the relics at least once before it can change forms.

And by Ozpin I meant whoever's body Ozpin is in and not the wizard.

Which begs the questions. Do the souls fuse? Or does one eventually take full control like in the story about the man with two souls which we can only assume is about the wizard? Or does only the wizard's soul pass on? Or does each predecessor train the successor?(I highly doubt this one though) Or maybe it's like the avatar line in avatar the last air bender.( Which again I highly doubt)

Also any idea what Ozpin meant when he said that the story of the 4 maidens was around since he was a boy. It kind of makes it sound like the story is older than him which isn't possible. Also Pyrrha's response to it doesn't make sense either. If I said the story of Thor was around since I was a boy that doesn't mean that I'm old but the story is. Maybe I misinterpreted it though.

Maybe he meant that story came into being when he was a boy which is not possible .Or maybe that there was no such story when he was a boy which is what it seems it should mean. I just think that it was phrased awkwardly.

Agreed. Who knows what could possibly happen if all 4 maidens are united. Salem wants to do this in addition to getting the relics and Ozpin wants to stop her.

Aura:True.

Jaune does have white in his outfit but it's not really the part you focus on. A lot of people have other prominent colors in their design which aren't the color of their aura like Ren dressing in green despite having a pink aura but he does have pink eyes and a pink streak of hair which are very prominent. Personally when I think Jaune I think yellow due to the name of his sword and his symbol but the white armor and white on his shield would be a nice subtle way to hint that the color of his aura is white. Also if his semblance is anything to go on(but it doesn't have to) we could assume that it is white as his semblance produced a white light and then his body did glow white in Forever Fall.

White would be an interesting color to have for aura as the color white is usually associated with no color and white light which is the product of seven colors. So I wonder if it has any significance. Probably not though.

Agreed. Why let your only son who has no prior training and doesn't have his aura unlocked go to an advanced huntsman academy? It really doesn't add up unless like I said before that they assumed he would realize his mistake when he got there and come back. But evident from when Jaune was launched he didn't. You make some excellent points but I don't think Jaune's family is in on Ozpin's plans just because of how much danger he would be in. But Jaune did almost plummet to his death and his parents did let him go and I don't think his family would ever risk him getting do that so maybe Ozpin told the Arc family that he would take care of Jaune but why would they believe him and how could he convince them to risk Jaune's life.

Speaking of the Arc family if they are so famous and strong that Ozpin wants one on his side and Jaune has said that he comes from a line of distinguished heroes and warriors, why doesn't anyone seem to know of them? No one so far has seemed to recognize the Arc family name or treat it like it holds some respect or value except for Jaune as it is his family. Has the strength and fame of the family fallen since the war, is it a time where only up and coming hunters are famous like Pyrrha because no one has mentioned a famous hunter so far. Or were the Arc family simply strong soldiers and as life shows us most soldiers aren't remembered as individuals by a majority of the population. Or are hunters simply not famous unless they stand head and shoulders above all the rest once again like Pyrrha. But I guess it could also be that we just haven't met anybody who has concerned themselves with all the re known hunter families. Weiss didn't know the Arc name but I guess that she only really cared about Pyrrha who was famous.

I'm just saying that there should have been someone who recognizes the Arc name if they are famous. But maybe it's only Jaune that is special and that's why Ozpin needs him. But if that is the case how did he ever meet Jaune and learn that Jaune has what he needs? And what could Jaune possibly have besides his ancestry?

I've heard a theory that the Arcs are like the Uzumakis in Naruto where they are famous for having extremely large amounts of aura. I doubt this though because no one besides Pyrrha has ever made note of this and it would be easy to hint at. Jaune being wailed on in a fight but the fight takes longer than it should and at the end the attacker is exhausted because Jaune's aura took such a long time to run out. I do believe that Jaune has a higher amount of aura than most but nothing mind blowing and Pyrrha was complementing him to be nice. They never did mention it again.

True.

Ozpin Choosing Leaders: Agreed. Until we learn more about Tai I'm assuming he's in the dark on Ozpin's plans but I personally don't think Qrow would do that to Tai. Qrow was away though.

Ozpin had to be making plans with the other headmasters(/headmistress possibly in Vacuo). Speaking of which do you think that Qrow is the scarecrow in the wizard of Oz story because I think it's the headmaster/headmistress of Shade in Vacuo since Dorthy's companions seem to be the people in charge of the schools.

Getting into Beacon: Oh sorry that I didn't catch your joke but I definitely caught the second. I find the other joke hilarious and could possibly even see it work. Qrow's bad luck tries to affect Raven since she's the closest to him but she can work her way out of any situation it gives her because of how much she is used to it so instead tries to give her bad luck by association when they are around. And speaking of Raven do you think her semblance is related to Qrow's. I had this theory that it's the reverse of Qrow's where she brings herself good luck but I don't think that their semblances are that related even though they are twins especially considering that we can assume that they can both already turn into birds. Unless that is a family trait or something because it isn't Qrow's semblance unless he just didn't feel like mentioning it.

True but why and how could he sit back and do nothing when he has a student like Jaune who almost died at initiation and is the weakest student in the school.

Yeah I meant Pyrrha. Sorry that I forgot to write her name. True.

Maybe she didn't want to scare Jaune off but they were partners so he would have been stuck with her anyway but I guess that she didn't want to put any strain on the partnership.

Speaking of which why did she save Jaune? In her mind he should have had the skills to land properly. But she probably wanted to secure him as her partner because he didn't know her.

I see your point. Power and the skill to use power are two different things.

I agree. Pyrrha didn't really need advice especially considering she wiped the floor with a whole team by herself.

Yeah I'm trying to say that Jaune needed more help and Jaune and to a lesser extent Nora said that he basically contributes nothing to the team. I was trying to quote the part where Nora lists the pros of their team.

That could have been what Nora meant but to me it seemed like she was referring to the whole team.

I don't think Ozpin is cold as ice (especially because the wizard was moved by the four girls who became the maidens unless he got jaded with time but I doubt that) so I would say that he was sure of the outcome. But how could he be sure of it. He didn't know that Jaune would mention to Pyrrha that he basically had no idea who she was. And Pyrrha might have decided to just head in Jaune's direction to find him instead of pinning him to a tree.

I don't think Qrow heard the video ( I do think he saw Jaune training though) but I do think that Qrow honesty feels bad about what happened to Pyrrha because he lost a teammate to when Summer died.

Qrow really isn't to blame and neither is Ozpin.They were trying to stop a lot of people from getting hurt. They didn't ask Pyrrha for no reason. Qrow may feel guilty but it wasn't his fault and Jaune should understand that they did what they had to for a reason considering what happened to Beacon. Qrow just needs to talk some sense into Jaune.

Agreed. No one else really stood out to Ozpin from what we saw.

Ozpin/King: Agreed.

He could have stepped down before the war but like Qrow said the tensions were high for about a century before the war so I guess the king felt like he couldn't leave.

Also it's not like he knew he would win the war. Sure he was extremely powerful but there was always a chance he could have lost somehow. It would have been very small though considering he is the wizard and has all the relics. But as Cinder has said Ozpin has a lot of arrogance.

Yeah it would be a really fun dynamic if Oscar does end up being Jaune's great great grandfather.

I think the Jaune/Oscar dynamic is going to be fun no matter what though. I could see them getting along really well. Both of them know basically nothing about the world and left their families to pursue a goal and both are out of obligation. Oscar to Ozpin and Jaune to honor his family. I could see them seeing a lot of themselves in each other and getting a long.

Also the king being Jaune's ancestor would be an interesting way for Jaune to interact with Ozpin. We can assume that Jaune still blames Ozpin for Pyrrha's death so when Jaune confronts Oscar/Ozpin about it Oz could maybe say I only had everybody's interest in mind. Trust me, we are going to make things right, To which Jaune asks why and Oz responds something like an Arc never goes back on their word. To hint that in a previous life he was an Arc.

Just a random thought maybe Ozpin was one of Jaune's ancestors but that ancestor wasn't the king. That would still make him important by being a descendant of the wizard.

If they aren't related though I could see a joke like

Jaune: You're responsible for Pyrrha's death.

Ozpin: Oscar tell him that " I'm also responsible for my death so we're even." and then take a nice long sip from our mug.

Speaking of Dynamics the Oscar/Ozpin dynamic is going to be really interesting because Oscar is going to have to do the speaking for Ozpin and I don't seen them getting along all the time since Ozpin is kind of manipulative and Oscar seems innocent. But maybe Ozpin can control Oscar to some extent and Oscar isn't in any position to know better than Ozpin considering his background so Oscar would probably go along with almost anything Ozpin says.

One major problem with both theories being true is that revealing both at once would feel extremely rushed and awkward in my opinion. Jaune being the descendant of the king and the wizard would be quite the weird reveal if done like dropping a bombshell. I think that it would be giving us too much info at once.

Oscar to Jaune: Yeah not only am I Ozpin but I am also the wizard in the story of the 4 maidens and I was also the king of Vale in another life who was in fact your great great grandfather which makes you the descendant of royalty and magic...

I'm not saying that it's impossible just that a reveal of that kind would be extremely hard to pull off and would have to be revealed in stages and not ripped off like a bandaid.

Both could still work together I'm just saying that if both are true it needs to be done right.

Like I said before the idea of both being true makes the most sense to me but RT is going to put in a lot of work to make the reveal make sense and be amazing.

I have faith in their abilities though.