Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-14138255-20161120163758/@comment-28522425-20161121023039

WC-83 wrote: TheQueenJess wrote: I don't get Raven. She clearly doesn't know anything about family. I mean she would rather stay with a tribe of killers and thieves than go with her brother, Tai, and Yang. I get a feeling that we are going to get a cliche where she realizes that she's wrong and the tribe is bad and then join the heroes. I also hope that If Raven, Ren, and Nora do meet, Ren and Nora don't forgive her so easily, at least not yet. Later down the road (way later) Ren and Nora can forgive her because tbh forgivessness of that scale is very mature and important. I'm wondering if Cinder does leave Salem's side, if the heroes will forgive her or kill her. It's about the concept of tribal loyalty. Traditionally, Tribes and Clans ARE family, your extended family in fact. They raise you, they teach you, you live with them most of your life, and you pull your weight to help the tribe grow. So in this sense, leaving/taking sides against the tribe is going against the family. The fact that Qrow (and to an extent, Tai) aren't willing to be a part of that means they aren't really a part of her family. The thing is, its extremely easy to be in Qrow's side because he is right in everything he says. Raven abandoned both Taiyang and her own daughter when she was still a baby.

But Raven isn't exactly wrong, Qrow did abandon the people who raised him. Yes they where bandits, and Qrow probably hated every moment that he spent with them (he probably never even considered them family), but that doesn't change the fact that he simply abandoned the people that cared for him when he was a kid.