Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180105193053/@comment-34633327-20180108190347

Yuna.Fan wrote: I agree with SpiritedDreaming about Vernal's death. If you take a close look at where Cinder's fingers are on Vernal, they're pretty much puncturing the lower part of her lungs, which can cause major internal bleeding.

However, I'm still wondering as to why Vernal's Aura didn't protect her. Was it never unlocked? @YunaFan Incorrect. Here is a diagram of the Human Females Organs. Here is a far away image of where Vernal was stabbed. Here is a close up of the injury from above. Here is the injury from the side. Here is an image of Vernal standing up straight. Now, compare the daigram of the female body and it's location of the lungs to Vernal. Then compare where Vernal was stabbed to said location. They are different. Vernal wasn't stabbed in the lungs.

As for her Aura, this season has made clear that Aura only seems to work if the wielder is expecting the hit. If the attack is a surprise and they weren't expecting to get hit, their Aura doesn't activate, much like how Sienna Khan didn't have her's go up when Adam stabbed her, or Yuma's didn't go up when Kali whacked him with a tray.

LucasVerBeek wrote:

Even if she isn’t already dead she’s got four holes in her stomach, with no way of stopping the bleeding she’ll be dead within minutes.

Besides why keep her alive when her purpose both in world and narratively have been fulfilled. You could say the same thing about Weiss, who suffered an even larger injury, and was bleeding from two different sides, and yet she managed to survive for several minutes before Jaune started fueling her. Vernal is laying on her back, with the injuries not only still plugged by Cinder's claw, but the blood flow being slowed down.

And no, her purpose is not done. She was not just a Decoy for Raven, as Raven seems to actually care for Vernal. She is Raven's morality pet. Her eyes flared up upon yelling at Cinder, but so far, Maiden eyes only flare up when they either use their powers, or express great emotion, such as Amber being pissed beyond belief at Mercury and Emerald, or Cinder after Jaune chipped her mask. There is also the fact she reached out to Vernal when Cinder said they were found out, yelling for Vernal. If she didn't care for Vernal, she wouldn't have done that.

Vernal being injured is the key to what Raven does next. If she survives, Raven will more than likely return to the good guys, knowing she can't run away anymore. If she dies, well, that leaves a bit of a tossup. Either she does the same and returns to the good guys, or she blames the very existance of the Maidens and Cinder's hunting for them as the reasons for Vernal's death, and goes off the deep end.

RaijinRising wrote: KingFubuki92 wrote: Cyberdodo wrote:

Cinder sucked the life out of Vernal, expecting to suck the Maiden powers out too, and didn't realize untill she was done that she didn't get the power she expected. Except there is nothing to indicate Cinder can do that. Grimm don't normally suck the life force out of their victims, and Cinder's Grimm Glove, while it did steal half of Amber's soul, only left Amber in a coma. The only thing it seems the Glove can steal is the Maiden Powers, which are tied to the soul. Since Cinder couldn't find any power, she couldn't steal the soul. Cause lets be real. If Cinder, or anyone for that matter, could just steal the souls of anyone, there would be no plot, she could just steal a persons soul and be done with them, then go on her way. Except Amber was left in a coma because the process was incomplete. Qrow stopped Cinder from using her glove to its fullest extent/completing the transfer, which likely would have been worse than a comatose Amber.

Cyberdodo wrote:

''Cinder stole only half of Amber's power because she was inturrupted by Qrow. Even so, that left Amber in a permanent coma. If Cinder didn't get interrupted, Amber would have died then and there.''

And Cinder trying to steal the power of more than 1 Maiden is a part of the plot, so therefore I don't believe there would be no plot. The point I was making was that it didn't suck out her life. It only sucked out the maiden powers. If it had sucked the life out of Vernal even only halfway, in addition to taking half her soul, then Amber would be in a much worse condition than a simple coma.

And yes, Amber would have died, but from having no soul, not from having no life energy. The powers are tied to the soul, so take the powers, you kill the maiden. But for what purpose would she take life energy? Salem doesn't need life energy, and Cinder just wants power. It would be pointless for everything but killing, and becomes redundant when you are already killing the victim by taking the power.

And by no plot, I mean there would be no stopping her. She could stab you, suck out your life, and go about her business. She'd be able to get all of the Maiden Powers without risk of being stopped, Salem wins, Game Over.