Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-34633327-20171002160810/@comment-25936766-20171003233413

KingFubuki92 wrote:

1. ......Their main job would to be or course protect the people and kill the grimm, but if he invited any of them into his circle later, they could easily fall in line with what he wants due to his ideals being drilled into their skulls.

2. Yet Salem seems to be unaffected by it's lose at all. So, acceptable loses, as while it was lost, the Maiden's powers were obtained.

3. But was there any indication they tried to revive Amber? Ironwood said they used Atlas tech to keep her on life support, and that they had made strides in Aura Research. Why not transfer Amber's aura into a machine like Penny, or Penny herself? Penny is the first android capable of generating Aura, wouldn't it have made more sense to put it in a blank machine to offer the chance for Amber to live?

4)  With the knowledge of Ruby's powers being unlocked by an emotional trigger, and that fact that someone close to her nearly died in two of those situations, it seems too suspicious.

5) ...Tell the truth from a certain angle. Instead of saying there are four human girls with unimaginable power ripe for the killing to take the power, tell the public there are four normal girls being hunted by a delusional psycho who thinks they have great power.

6) Instead of saying there are four powerful Relics that can make someone near god level by using them all, say there are four priceless artifacts someone is looking steal.

7) Hence why I suggested Glynda help. Glynda's semblance can cast a barrier around the pods until the situation outside is quelled enough, or until Ironwood can get down there.

8) A makeshift power source could then be rigged up with Gylnda then ripping Amber's pod out of the ground and adding the new power source,

9) then they could get Glynda and Amber out of there through a route Cinder wouldn't know of easily, while Ironwood or Ozpin go out to finish helping.

10) Ozpin's own rush to get Amber's power out of Cinder's reach is what let her get them.

11) Again, make the magic mundane. Tell the public the grimm are outside because of the publics own feelings. Reassure them that the huntsman are working their hardest to stop them, and encourage them to think more about the festival so as to deprive the Grimm of negativity. He'd be telling the truth in a certain sense, but also calming them down enough to keep their faith maintained. 1) .....That logic is dumb and fallacious. It'd be like saying "any and every single student who graduates from X high school will be easily influenced by said school's headmaster because they obviously, definitely, got said headmaster's ideals drilled into their skulls".

Basically, that people are not individuals, and if you go to X school you will be shaped by the headmaster's ideals even if you barely spoke to him.

Just because they go to Beacon, or even graduate from Beacon, it does not mean they would even believe in his "ideals". And speaking of ideals, what ideals? Even if one was influenced by someone's ideals, it does not mean those ideals are bad by themselves.

2) And thus, it's not a sacrifice, just a loss (temporary or not) she's willing to accept.

3) For starters, Penny is a prototype. Second of all, we have no idea how they even gave her an Aura, for all we know transfering Aura to an empty object wouldn't make another Penny.

Third of all, "making strides in Aura research" =/= "We have the perfect knowledge and technology to make this woman who just had a piece of her Soul stolen get better". Fourth of all, if they did have the tech and knowledge, Pyrrha becomes irrelevant, and they would've simply made Amber recover instead.

4) You assumed Ozpin hoped they were triggered by a burst of emotions after a tragedy. First, that requires him to know how the eyes work, and if he did, why hope Ruby gets traumatized WHEN HE COULD HAVE JUST TOLD HER HIMSELF, LIKE THE OZLUMINATI TOLD PYRRHA ABOUT THE MAIDENS.

It's such a desperate attempt to demonize Ozpin and make him look bad, it's not even funny. If Ozpin wanted Ruby to unlock the eyes so desperately, he would've told her about them, not hope she was traumatized.

5) Okay, except: Now people would know there are 4 girls who at the very least are so interesting even the fucking Goverment is interested in them.

That raises questions, and at the very least would get people interested in those "4 normal girls the government wants so much". So now, instead of just Salem's lot being after them, you get multiple groups going after them even if they don't know about the Maidens.

6) Which are so priceless even the fucking government is interested in them. Which gets people more interested in getting them, even if they have no idea about the power they have. So instead of Salem's lot being after them, you get multiple groups going after them.

7) Ignored automatically because Glynda's Semblance has nothing to do with Barriers.

8) And where the hell would they have gotten one? It's not just "Lightning Dust", it's a whole fucking system. It's not like ripping out a phone's batteries. It's like ripping out someone's freaking spine.

Amber was in a coma, in life support, and that was with her being left connected to a machine. You remove her from the machine, you remove that life support, she freaking dies.

9) With the whole pod that's bigger than the average person? Please. Any route they could've taken would've been too obvious. And the entire academy + city was still overrun, so how does Glynda even get Amber to safety?

10) Because he didn't rush Pyrrha. They thought they still had time, even if little, and they didn't literally tell Pyrrha "DO IT NOW", and the moment the Grimm got in, that timer reached 0. Of course he had to rush, it was an emergency if he didn't it would've truly been too late.

11) EXCEPT the Breach had happen recently. If Ozpin told the people "Hey, there's this huge Grimm horde right in our borders", any faith he could've garnered from that would've been nulled by people thinking he's absolutely incompetent and the Huntsmen are not doing their jobs.

And if your protectors are incompetent, who can you trust?

And that's if Ozpin even could make such an announcement. Looking at V2, it seems the Council's decisions and thoughts have more weight in stuff like that. And Ozpin had already proven himself incompetent with the Breach, why would they let him do something like that?