Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-43897075-20190923040451

First Created Discussion.

Can anyone tell me why Ozpin is out to collect the Relics to begin with? There are several flaws to this, but two major flaws stand out above all else:

- Unnessessary Risk.

- For What Reason?

Let's talk a little about how much risk is involved in this. Ozpins plan: Travel to the four kingdoms to gather all the Relics from the Vaults to either summon the gods or use them against Salem. Can we take a moment to wrap our heads around how stupid of a plan that really is? Think about it: The only thing keeping Salem from walking into the cities and forcefully taking each of the city Relics is the Vaults that's holding them. The only way to access the Vaults in the first place is to have the correct Maiden to open the Vaults door.

So Ozpins plan is to walk to each city and open all the vaults. Let me emphasize: Salems only obstical is the Vaults, and Ozpins plan is to open them all. At this point, Ozpin is doing Salems work for her. He is literally gathering the Relics for Salem without her lifting a finger. All Salem would need to do is wait until Ozpin collects three of the four Relics, and set up an ambush to take the Relics for herself. "Unlikely" you say? Think of it like this:

Ozpin is gathering the Relics; the very thing that can end the planet, and he is doing this with a team consisting of: Himself, Team RWBY, Team JN_R, and Qrow. That's it. 7 kids who haven't even graduated their huntsmen academy, one Pro Huntsman, and himself.

Tyrian is enough to take on all of Team RWBY and JN_R by himself, and is close to Qrows level in skill.

Cinder has killed Ozpin in his former, properly merged and fully trained Huntsman body. What are the chances he could beat her in a body that isn't even 15 yet? He hasn't even unlocked his Semblance for crying out loud.

Hazel, who is at least Pro Huntsman level, is shown to be able to be dangerous enough to be a threat to Ozpin in Oscar's body. Is at least strong enough to fend off multiple trained Huntsmen at once.

Mercury and Emerald could also be a potential problem, with Emeralds semblance and Mercury being an extra body could to add to the pressure.

And god forbid Salem feels the need to guarantee success by either being there herself or adding an army of grim. At this point, Ozpin and his little group would stand no chance against an ambush of this magnitude. Unless they convince a Maiden to join their quest, but keep in mind: Ozpin had no idea where Havens Maiden was at the time, so would he even know where the others would be?

Now, let's say, through all of this, Ozpin manages to collect all the Relics. What then? Beacon has already fallen, so where would they go? Would they summon the Gods despite Humanity being against each other? Would they use the Relics to go on one last desperate attempt to defeat Salem, despite being the definition of "Immortal"? What is this whole crazy adventure about collecting powerful Relics really about in the end? Ozpin admitted he didn't have a plan to defeat Salem, so is he gathering the Relics because he feels as if, since Beacon has Fallen, all the kingdoms could fall as well? If that were the case, wouldn't it be a much better idea to, instead of hunting down the Relics, hunt down the last two Maidens, convince them to their side, and devise a plan to hunt / kill Cinder?

As far as we know, Cinder is the only person under Salems thumb that is suitable to use the powers of the Maiden. If Cinder is taken out of the picture, Salem would need to come up with a new host (likely to be Emerald), and spend a valuable amount of time to make sure they're fit enough. An amount of time that Ozpin could spend training Team RWBY and JN_R up into respectable Huntsmen of their own. Now add this on top of Qrow and the Maidens? To me, this seems like the most likely plan that would work. The only problems would be: Finding the Maidens, Convincing the Maidens to their side, and Ambushing Cinder. This would have better odds than, say: Finding the Maidens, Convincing them to help Open the Vaults to the Relics with the Kingdoms permission, Keeping the Relics safe and risking the chance of an ambush, and actually keeping all the Relics safe once obtained.

What are your thoughts on Ozpins grand plan? Am I missing something and Ozpins plan isn't as flawed as it seems? If you were in Ozpins place, what would be YOUR plan to delay Salem? I'm curious as to what all your thoughts on this is. 