Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-24032889-20190105161936/@comment-14909251-20190119222151

BlizzardDragon wrote: 1. My point was that the sequence of events made sense in that we know it wasn't like that, but an outside perspective, which was the cause of the Fang accusing Adam of abandoning them, would think it was. Also, Adam didn't exhaust all his options. He took a haymaker to the back, ordered his forces to fight, got up, tried to mentally abuse Blake, shot at Sun, crossed blades with Blake once, then bolted into the woods. He ran off before the entire fight was done, and when he could still fight. And considering he could have easily tried to kill the civilians and freed his troopers, him bolting and leaving them behind is abandoning them. As Leader, he'd be expected to lead his brethen, stand by them, and if need be, die for their cause. He did none of that. He tried to blow everyone up to spite the humans, he abandoned his former troops, and ran away rather than let himself be caught.

You can't criticize him for not being willing to die for their cause and then turn around and criticize him being prepared to blow himself up for the cause. It is also fair to say that his people surrendered in part because they were not willing to fight against the other Faunus. Adam made the completely rational choice to escape when he had the chance rather than surrendering, being captured, or getting killed. This was not a winnable situation and anyone who saw it would understand that. People who watch the series saying he abandoned them are just not paying attention and the idea that the White Fang would all be against him over it is absurd.

2. ... You and I have been watching the same White Fang right? The kind of nutcases that would put a mentally unhinged bullhead in charge, walk around like they're in a cult, and would kill their own kind when their entire motive is to fight for their own kind? You expect rationality from these loonies?

This isn't about being rational. Why would everyone in the White Fang see their leader escaping an unwinnable fight as betrayal? Pretty sure many who respected Adam would focus more on Ilia's betrayal and the longstanding betrayal from Blake on top of the surrendering of many White Fang members. How are they are all going to turn on him for the sole reason that he fled an unwinnable fight and not sympathize with him because he was put in that situation due to several betrayals along with the cowardice of his own forces?

3. So you're saying the only way Blake would have a plotline without Adam would be if she suddenly snapped, turned evil, and broke away from the team again in said madness?

Did I say any of those things? I'm not saying that is the only way she would have a plotline, but that it is the only way I see them doing it in a way that involves conflict and is unique to her.

And again, the Great War plot seriously isn't gonna fly.

If there isn't a Great War plot coming then they really are screwing this whole thing up with the story. Basically, everything up to this point since Volume 2 has been telegraphing a potential conflict between the kingdoms. Literally, just a few episodes ago you had Cordovin shouting "Atlas will prevail" against the other kingdoms in some hypothetical near future. Doing something like that is also the only way they can break what would be a very trying cycle of whack-a-mole with the Kingdoms. Engineering the fall of Beacon and then blocking the Fall of Haven were both great ways to advance the plot, but turning around and just doing another "fall of" storyline with yet another Kingdom risks monotony.

Remember, the very reason why Tyrian and Watts are going to Vacuo isn't to start a World War, its to stop Ironwood from trying to ally itself with Vacuo, presumably by making it fall from within.

How many times do I have to repeat this kind of shit with people. WE DON'T KNOW. Dismissing something a person says because you presume the plot is going to go a certain way is pompous behavior. All we know is that they are going to Atlas to put in effect some kind of plan to stop Ironwood from dropping his confrontational actions. There are many ways to do that and one way is to force him into an even more confrontational stance, the kind that brings war.

Why don't I say it like this then... 'Not every character needs a subplot. '

We're not talking about just any character. We are talking about one of the four titular characters of the series. If any characters need unique personal subplots it is going to be those four. Characters outside the four don't really need it much and they can resolve their plots pretty easily at any given time.

Yang technically doesn't have a subplot since her beef with Raven is currently shelved.

Right now she doesn't have one active, but they can easily revisit it at any time because Raven is still out there and apparently hasn't told Yang everything she knows. It does still play a bit into the plot, however.

Closest thing to a subplot Ruby has is her eyes, and that's tied heavily into the main plot.

Ruby's subplot is tied heavily to the main plot, because she is the primary protagonist. However, she does have her own subplot that hasn't been tapped much and that is the subplot concerning her mother. We know nothing about Summer aside from the basics. No doubt they are holding onto that part for some later period since truth about Summer would probably constitute some big reveal.

I'm also saying I sincerely doubt many would actually care if Blake suddenly didn't have a Subplot, as I've found that Blake is considered one of the least popular main characters, surpassing even Jaune's hatedom, and that the Faunus Racism subplot is one of the least popular subplots due to the FNDM thinking the CRWBY know jack and shit about properly portraying Racism.

This is making excuses for bad writing decisions rather than trying to argue for good writing decisions.

4. That's less a result of having no plotline and more of a result of a bloated cast.

Not really, there is just no reason why any of the developments up to Adam's appearance would matter much to Blake's story.

Weiss and Yang have also been technically Tag Alongs this volume since they've done as much as Blake

Not true, though. The big reveal about Oz was very significant for Yang. For Weiss the mission to head to Atlas was unavoidably significant. Both characters have significant reasons to be impacted by the direction of the plot this Volume and there is reason to incorporate into these storylines. It just doesn't seem there is any reason for Blake to be a major character in this story without the White Fang angle.