Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-70.164.250.74-20180322215425/@comment-33207690-20180415163701

'''Ok I will break down my post. Here it is...'''

'''On the topic of Ruby's character development I'm going to quote someone who really hits the nail on the head.

"The problem with Ruby and how Miles and Kerry are writing her to be is that I feel they're are delaying her development for some sort of shock value in later volumes that they have planned....they're trying to store some big thing with her to crash down her world or something akin to the Raven reveal"'''

'-as a result they've developed almost every other character better than her and are giving us this little tidbits of her character depth when they should've given her the right amount to portray her well as the story progress. She is getting too static and the story isn't revolving properly around her like it should which is what I assumed they had planned for her character since the beginning''.'

-She needs her character development done right in which it ties her to the story instead of having the plot move forward without her

-By not doing it properly the effect is that she is giving off a little mary sue vibe because it looks like nothing affects her since after bad things happen to her since she always goes back to being happy like it didn't affect her at all.

-We KNOW it does BUT we don't see the transition period or struggle period she is supposed to have in which she as a character is questioned or challenged done properly

''-She, in fact, DOES have character development - the groundwork is there and the subtle changes that people often point out definitely is the character development, but its not done quite right because Miles and Kerry are so heavily reliant on cliffhangers that its effecting Ruby as a character and the way she is being written in the wrong way. It’s not taking fruit properly at the times it should because of it

- Ruby is the main character and given her personality, potential and how she was meant was meant to have the plot revolve around her, she is basically meant to be portrayed as the "Paragon". ''

-Ruby has the appeal of a paragon character part down,potential and personality, but it’s not explored properly.

''-Miles and Kerry aren't portraying her as a Paragon effectively thus we many can't tell that she is a paragon and instead think that she is a static character with a little of a Mary sue vibe. They take advantage of the fact that paragons don’t really “change” that much as a character so she appears static

-The biggest major points of a paragon is how they affect the story as a whole, how they draw other characters to them, and how they affect others(they serve as a catalyst for others development). Examples of this include Naruto, Ichigo, All Might, Goku etc

You guy see the picture?''

-Ruby was good in volume 1-3, but, in volume 4-5 where we were supposed to see some major changes and character development we are instead seeing her “pushed to the side” for other characters, and given tidbits of some character depth.

''-This is where some of the Blake and Jaune hate comes from as well. And also probably because of how their character arc was handled which is another separate issue because people were mostly fine with the renora arc.''

''-Volume 4 is where they were setting up the groundwork for Ruby’s development. She and her team had just gotten out of a traumatic situation and they just learned about silvers eye and the maidens and what not. Its alot to take in and we can’t have all of Ruby’s arc in crushed to one volume.''

''-The only problem is we only get only a few subtle scenes of her seeming upset about the issue of their situation and the death of ONLY Pyrrha and then we see all her problems solved in one talk with Jaune and then a letter to Yang...which is a let down cause it’s just so little and we wanted more. ''

''-There’s also the fact that some scenes(fight scenes) where Jaune was involved they dumbed down the rest of the character to make him seem smart. The took away the characteristic of Ruby also being able to come up with good plans and gave it to Jaune saying that he was the strategist when Ruby is too. She came up with team combat moves, a plan to defeat Nevermore, helped Weiss with her boar fight.. She is smart, she know how to fight and notice things.''

''-This was a bad result of them “pushing Ruby to the side”. I don’t think Miles and Kerry knew what they were doing to Ruby by doing that. I hadn’t even noticed that they were dumbing down the characters in those scenes until I read a comment where someone pointed it out.''

'-So since in volume 4 they were putting up the groundwork for her we expected/were supposed to see it come to fruitition/payoff in volume 5. '

'-The problem is that it doesn’t flow right - there isn’t any payoff.

-They try to put her back in the spotlight in volume 5 as the paragon judging from how we now see the effort to show more Ruby but the problem is that they are still trying to delay her character development for the big reveal that they have later planned with her story instead of having her progress naturally. '

''-As a result, the silver eyes aren’t brought up at all and  we get no insight on her opinion about it so people just have to take it as she is dumb because they can’t force themselves to believe that she is holding it in when we weren’t given a scene to portray that in that volume.

-The other issue is that by holding back on her silver eyes the have yet to connect her to the central story. She is just there and the plot is moving by itself. A paragon is not supposed to have it happen to them. By doing that they are essentially treating her as a side character while trying to put her in the spotlight.

-Then we have the other issue in which we see them trying to highlight Ruby as special but the problem with that is that they “told it, and didn’t show it”.''

''- A paragon is suppose to inspire character development in other characters but the scenes where we are supposed to see how she affects other characters isn’t hitting the mark. This is because we don’t see the inner turmoil of Ruby’s character, how she overcomes her problems and how she affects others by her actions of overcoming her trauma and challenge. ''

''-The scenes include Yang talking about how Ruby always knows what is right and that she will follow her decision but weren’t shown what Yang was talking about which makes her feel that way about Ruby thus we are like...ok how? The representation of purity scene...ok how? Show don’t tell because it’s not highlighting her informed specialness properly''

-The only scenes where we see some inner depth of her character and not a show don’t tell is the Strawberry Reunion scene and arguably the Oscar and Ruby conversation

''-They also had other missed opportunities in which they could’ve showed more character depth and her affecting others. One of them is the scene where she confronts Raven and does affect her with her speech although she gets blasted BUT when Raven comments on her mom we don’t see any reaction from Ruby at all afterwords- not even a small scene.''

''-There was also the scene where they have her try to talk to Emerald. It was a good chance to show how Ruby affects Emerald properly by showing her that she still has hope for her and that she doesn’t hold Emerald responsible for her “betrayal” after essentially killing Penny. That small talk with Emerald would have made “more sense”.

-With all those issues being piled with they way they aren’t fleshing her as a paragon properly, only giving us tidbits here and there, trying to delay the character arc, and show don’t tell cases it makes look static with a vibe of mary sue.

-Now, Miles and Kerry, as a result of doing this, have to work with what they have given us/what they’ve set with Ruby so far and give us a d**n good payoff/fruition in which she starts having the plot revolve around her/have a connection to the central story, show character more depth than ever in a way that makes sense with no rookie mistakes. If it is not what we all were waiting for or at least up to par than all that delaying was be just a big waste of time…''

....wow...it's still long.....well I tried....