Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20161228230634/@comment-27082610-20170106232808

KNN005 wrote: @ Arkantos: So basically if Gadget had even average intelligence that would ruin the show? Who says because it's a kids show he has to never develop as a character?

@ arkantos: The villains being adults and the heroes being kids only goes so far. If that's the chase Port, Oobleck, Oz, Qrow, Ironwood, and Glynda should be the leads and form a militia to rip shop on all of Salem's connections around the world. Yet both Glynda and Qrow couldn't stop Cinder and Tyrian. I don't think it's just because the villains are adults, I think it's because the villains have learned or gained something the heroes don't have. Like maybe Salem gave Tyrian special training. And of course Cinder has the maiden power and can kill Oz with it who wasn't even weak either. I wouldn't have a character just pop up with all the answers, I would let people know this person has been tracking and trying to foil Salem for years. And maybe make it so most people see that person as a kook so no one helped them. Until Ruby meets him and they compare notes.

Sometimes I feel like RWBY is like a religion and the show is a bible. And because we love it so much we can't see the flaws. Or even if they're not flaws, we can't see the possible changes. It's like everyone just wants it to stay as it is as if it's perfect. But when you love something that's the best time to make it change. Cause as long as it's positive change, this thing you love can become better.

Heroes don't need to be innocent. Heroes don't need to always shed a tear while brooding at a pier looking out at water. Heroes don't always have to be underdogs, they can be equals with their villains (which makes fights even more unpredictable since they'll have to struggled to think outside the box to break the stalemate). Heroes don't have to always lose a lot and then finally have a victory at the skin of their teeth at the end. I don't mind waiting for them to get stronger, but I am tired of waiting for them to get smarter and more in the know. Like Someone said, the adults working with Oz dropped the ball a lot. Now if they dropped the ball that hard, how bad you think it's gonna be in Haven when its just RJNR, Qrow, and maybe the Haven headmaster's allies? 1. Yes, because it ruins the show's entire premise. It's not that it's a children's show, it's that its entire structure, narrative, and characterization would have to be so warped that it would even remotely resemble the original product.

2. Oh for fuck's sake- it's what explains the gap in power between the protags and the antags in the series. That gap has to be overcome before the anatgonists can be challenged properly, otherwise the show loses chracter progression. And no, they shouldn't be, because this show isn't about them, it's about the "simple soul," aka Ruby. They can't form a militia and rip Salem a new one because they have no idea where she is. Cinder never beat Glynda, just distracted her long enough for her and Roman to escape, and Tyrian won because Qrow had to babysit a bunch of teenagers. This has already been explained to you.

See, that would basically be the same thing if they're independent of the Ozluminati who, as far as we know and have any reason to believe, are the only people who know of Salem's existence barring Raven. There's no reason for anyone else to be searching for her.

I see plenty of flaws in this show. The writing has only recently become passable, the main character is about as complex as a saltine cracker, there seems to be little to no proper indication of the passage of time between episodes, etc. It's not that we want it to stay exactly as it is, it's just that most, if not all, of the changes you try to suggest are boring at best and narrative-destroying idiocy at worst.

'''RUBY. IS. THE. ONLY. INNOCENT. HERO. '''Fucking say it with me now. Blake is a former terrorist, Yang is coping with PTSD (something I'm genuinely surprised you haven't gotten angry with her about as it takes time away that she could be using to fight as an automaton that lives only to movet the plot along), and Weiss has had to deal with the aftermath of terrorist attacks for her entire teen years and is now dealing with being a prisoner in her own home.

No one is saying they always need to be underdogs, but them being on a level playing field at this stage would make no sense. And we already saw a fight between equals in the form of Tyrian and Qrow, so that point is completely irrelevant. Heroes don't need to lose a lot, but when their opponents have them outgunned, outmanned, outnumbered, and outplanned, it makes sense for them to. And quite frankly since RNJR at least seems to have the capacity to take some initiative I see it as going better than Beacon did during Ozpin's passivity.