Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-62.155.218.241-20171021220319/@comment-92.112.1.250-20171113085055

Arkantos95 wrote: 95.133.43.25 wrote: No proof then. The only proof could be the RT commentary or Blake winning actual fight versus Ruby/Yang/Weiss. The rest is just your assumptions.

1) Yang argument is valid because loosing the 1-on-1 fight doesn't necessary mean that you are weak - it may mean that you faced the worst kind of opponent for you. That was about Neo with her evasive fighting style, and Neon, with her speed and "hit and leap" fighting style.

2) Weiss argument is valid because... Well, during V4x10 she handeled way better than Blake - even just with her ordinary glyphs and sword fighting style.

3) Ruby argument is valid because we have never seen anyone in RWBY except Yang fighting without their weapon. The only hint of Blake being fine with hand-to-hand combat is V4, the part with Ilia, her scroll and Sun.

I have to say, Blake has another weakness that was discussed a long ago: she usually gets stunned after direct hits. That was in Black Trailer, in V4x11 with Adam, in V1 (in Emerald Forest) etc. We here, on wiki, thought that this weakness was caused by her evasive fighting style - she've got used to evade hits with the help of her shadow clones, so when she actually gets thouse hits herself, she gets stunned.

And it's also rather symbolic. I gues, if Blake wants to improve, she has to stop using her shadow clones just to take damage for her (the defensive function) and start to fight by them (the attacking function). I liked some Blake's moves in RWBY: Grimm Eclipse, where she used her shadow clones to make double/multiple hits in a short period of time. I want to see smth similiar in the show.

And talking about her shadows: in V1-2 they were quite unstable, disappearing really quickly after being hit or used as a "platform". In V3x1 Blake cheats Reese with a clone, standing still far away from Blake. What happened in V3x11 still isn't clear - some people assume Blake creating both her and Yang's clones to distract Adam, thouh I doubt it. But still: that Blake's clone lasted longer than the clones she had before. In V5x3 her clone isn't a passive "shield"/"platform" for her: it moves to throw her higher. So it is somehow active now.

And, again: such kind of development would be symbolic for her. Everything we've seen about her character before in the series was defense and self-defense, she fought back all the time. Now I'd really like her to make first step in fighting. Because Blake really needs to get out from under the shadow of others. 1) It's not just Neo. Literally, every agile fighter she tried to step up to past the Malachites was handing her her shit. She only won against Mercury because he threw the fight, Neon because of pure luck, and Arslan because she had her team backing her up.

Yang's Semblance is only good for fighting back when she can hit the target, which would be doubtful with Blake.

2)... Weiss never fought anyone in V4. What are you even talking about? And anyway, Weiss, before Volume 5 had literally no solo wins after the Boarbatusk. She got her ass beat by a guy we don't even have an actual name for he's so goddam irrelevant.

3) I really don't get what the point of addressing each of these is if you're just going to agree with me every time.

I'm not saying Blake doesn't need to improve, but I am saying she was bar none the best solo fighter on her team. She was much more versatile, had dodges for days, had one of the most versatile weapons in the show, and had already single-handedly kicked one of the main villains at the time's shit in.

@73: No it is not likely Blake would lose, because as I've said multiple times, up to V3 Yang barely had an actual fighting style to speak of and got wrecked by every agile fighter she went up against past her trailer.

Neo: Do I even need to explain this one?

Arslan: Yang didn't even land a punch during their exchange and spent half of it on her ass getting whipped up and down like a fucking marionette.

Neon: Literally won by a combination of a temper tantrum and pure luck.

Mercury: She almost lost to a guy who threw the fight. That's just sad.

As for in-universe, none of RWBY have lauded Yang as being above them, they only put her in there because she has that bullshit spam button of a Semblance, despite all of the above shit-kickings. Additionally, Yang and Weiss going to the doubles round was a decision on the writer's part, not Team RWBY, because Cinder's scheme wouldn't have worked on any of the rest of them.

@Both of you: It's not an assumption if you're backing it with observations of 'every fucking fight Yang has been in solo. ' 2) missed the button - V3x10, of course. That short period she was with Blake during the Fall of Beacon.

3) what on the Earth made you think that I'm going to agree with you "every time"?

EDIT: hahaha, got it, just the wrong word. Not "valid" - gosh, I meant an absolutely opposite thing, fuck my bad English... All I wanted to say that your arguments don't stuck up, so you make a lot of illogical conclusions and assumptions. Like: Yang lost her every solo fight = '''Yang could probably loose a solo fight with Blake. '''It's an empty sophistry.

Once again: it had never been neither showed nor told that Blake is/was the best fighter in RW_Y. Your only argument is that she managed to beat Roman in solo... Well... Yang, Weiss and Ruby could beat him too, if it was one-on-one fight, like that one on the train. You have to agree that Roman is not the most experienced fighter in the show. Not to mention that it was the only Blake's solo fight she won. There was also Reese from V3x1 - but calling it a 'solo-victory' for Blake is a little... controversial.

The only way to find out is either to make an actual PvP fight between the members of team RWBY, or to hear directly from RW_Y or RT that Blake could beat any teammate she has. That's all. The rest is a warship of assumptions and headcanons.