Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-162.203.244.171-20130726023326/@comment-26206856-20150316005805

The whole flower thing has me looking for things there. I don't like how he has two emblems overlayed, both tulip and rose instead of just one, especially since they are different colors. White tulips are for forgiveness and it's beneath the rose. There's a Latin expression "sub rosa" that means literally "under the rose" or figuratively "something told in secret". So it could be something about forgiveness being held back or secretly asking for forgiveness for the wilting (death of a) rose which could be seen as petals (blood of the fallen) shed on his path to make the WF be what it is.

My initial thoughts from way back when was he killed Summer Rose and took her emblem as a badge of honor/respect or that he watched her die and felt the need to use it as rememberance.

With the flower ideology, perhaps Summer is the wilted (dead) rose and he is asking for forgiveness for killing her (on accident?).

There's also the song Sacrifice which if it's meant to be about Adam, has the line "the moon will sadly watch the roses die in vain". It seems like a common theme about the moon and roses in the songs; most dealing with Summer, and if my theory of him being an owl is correct, the moon could symbolize him as a nocturnl creature (and why else change the position of the moon in the sky for his "Moonslice" shot?). Though the moon as a whole needs some explanation as it seems to be a big tie-in to the goings on in the world that we haven't seen yet. Of course this line could also just refer to the wilting rose emblem itself and have nothing to do with Summer. You'll notice his final move showed the moon and rose petals that seemed to wilt away as everything disintegrated, so it could also deal with describing that attack.

The line I'm trying to wrap my head around the most is the "take the lives of those you need, sow the death then reap the seed" later followed by "''What if all the plans you made, were not worth the price they paid, even with the lives you stole, still no closer to your goal." ''Half of me wants to use this song for Neo, but... is it possible to kill someone and take their semblance? Say he killed Summer, and was somehow able to fuse her semblance with his own? Part of me wants to think this is what Cinder is up to; finding the students with semblances she can use in order to "take away the power they have" as she says in Extracurricular.

Whew, that was a lot. Go ahead, pick away at it, and let me know what you think.