Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-14909251-20190715230030

Glitchee123z wrote:

...dude, that’s not what I was saying and you fucking know it. No, I didn't know it, because you directly suggested somehow it being necessary made it worse. Perhaps you need to work on your phrasing. Vader killed his own people without necessity and without remorse, which is the context of my original remark. It is pretty clear that a story can redeem a character no matter how far gone and do it convincingly. You just need to give a reason why that person has become so twisted, then devise something that plays to the better side you know once existed.

73.Anon.52 wrote: First off, these weren't just children, they were force sensitive, that leads to a little more agency than your normal child.

Secondly, this is a tested IRL philosophy that the Sith embraced to kill these children, namely that if you leave the opposition's progeny or loved ones alive, they'll only turn on you later, so take them out too.

I just find it incredible that people are all over me for saying Cinder killing trained adult warriors as a necessary part of her master's plan is not so morally irredeemable that she somehow "needs" to die, while you are over here rationalizing the literal genocidal murdering of small children.

Is it misguided, yes, but it has a logic to it. Wiping out Vale, the least corrupt of the four kingdoms first? not even close. Atlas is too power hungry, Mistral is shown to be seriously corrupt and perhaps recently racist, at the least classist, and Vacuo is so disorganized it can't pull together enough to hold more than its own territory, destroying these kingdoms helps no-one any way you slice it, especially if it's land is made an unlivable hellhole, Salem's plan is at best scorched earth, not total control.

No amount of resentment legitimizes this.

Going after Vale first wasn't Cinder's plan, but Salem's plan. I wouldn't say her actions are legitimate. There may simply be legitimate grievances she personally has against the Kingdoms that allow her to rationalize her involvement in such things.