Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20170217011737/@comment-25266931-20170220190406

Okay lets move on, i dont think we're all going to agree on this.

1) what sense did it make to capture Ruby alive. Tyrian couldve easily killed her. And if its for Cinder to have her revenge, that emotional and tactically stupid. Who cares about revenge when bringing Ruby to home base, Salem's Summer home runs the risk of Ruby MAYBE escaping and telling her allies where Salem is. Or was as Salem would likely switch locales after Ruby left to tell. Even attempting to corrupt or seduce Ruby to her ideals she would have to know would fall on deaf ears as Ruby would never go for it.

2) Oz survival is terrible for Cinder. A-- he should tell all his allies how Cinder fights. And sense Cinder never taps into anything other than fire i doubt we can expect her to do as Amber did with her "novice" maiden power. B-- Oz should also give info on Hazel and Salem now that the cats outta the bag about them too. Oz knows Salem and now thru Oscar's eyes he saw Hazel joined her too. Theres 100% no reason to keep stupid secrets about the enemy now. If Oz keeps them in the dark even after Tyrian almost killed some of them and almost captured Ruby then he's not a good leader at all.

3) finally, i want to call into question if Salem is behind humanity's lack of progress tech and chemistry wise. If she wants them to only use Dust because maybe other forms of science are ones that would ruin her plans. She may be the reason nations are wiped out too because she doesnt want more nations to deal with than she can handle. Remeber, Ren said "many hoped it'd only become its own kingdom". Salem has her hands full with the nations thay already exist and control what little she allows them to know. But... Then agsin, are we giving her too much credit? Can she really hold back a entire race and prevent them from moving beyond what she want them to learn or what she wants them to expand to be?