Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-94.8.221.186-20180402122306/@comment-4141313-20180407030633

ChishioKunrin wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote: 2. Out of Character Moments. Some things in this volume made no sense character wise. Namely Pyrrha going off to fight Cinder. I know she was planned to die from the beginning, but in what form of logic did that make any sense? Did she really think she could stop someone who bested Ozpin? OR was she just suicidal? It didn't seem like something Pyrrha would do.

5. Remember the big worry that Pyrrha wouldn't be the same person after absorbing Amber's aura and Maiden powers? Dropped when Cinder interrupted the transfer.

6. Remember the moral dilemma behind Yang attacking Mercury and how Blake seemed torn up about it? Dropped when the Fall began.

8. Remember how Weiss was gonna sever ties with her dad and stand up for herself? Dropped in favor of him dragging her back to Atlas and pushed back to Volume 4.

9. Remember how Neptune was going to act more like himself than some cool guy in the previous volume and built up as a supporting character that plays off Sun? Ignored with Neptune being the butt of a joke in one episode and largely ignored that volume, and hasn't been seen since. Especially glaring seeing as his VA is one of the lead writers. 2. I keep having to explain this. I don't think Pyrrha thought she could defeat Cinder, and I don't think Pyrrha was sacrificing herself.

Ozpin told her the tower could not fall, and Cinder was in the tower. Ozpin told her to get Glynda, Ironwood, and Qrow and bring them to the tower. With Ozpin defeated, Cinder was alone in the tower. Pyrrha told Jaune to CALL GLYNDA. Instead, Jaune called Weiss and then broke his Scroll.

I believe Pyrrha was trying to stall for time by distracting Cinder too much for Cinder to take out the tower, believing that Jaune would come through and get Glynda to go to the tower.

5. Um, yeah? Because the point about Pyrrha possibly not being the same person anymore was to give a reason for Pyrrha to take time to think carefully about it, thus causing her and Ozpin to wait until the last minute to do it, thus making it too late and giving Cinder the opportunity to take the remaining half. That was the reason that was brought up. Another reason is possibly because Ozpin actually knows first-hand what happens when two souls merge, which we didn't learn until Volume 4.

6. Actually, it was dropped in the same exact scene where it was brought up, due to Blake deciding that Yang isn't like Adam so she'll just accept it if Yang promises that she really did think she was under attack.

8. My view: Being dragged back home increased Weiss' frustration with her father and her situation because it gave her a feeling of powerlessness, the inability to control her own life and follow through with her decisions, still being under her father's control even after how hard she fought to get away from him. Hell, maybe that's why she was so subdued at first in Volume 4 - she felt powerless to escape his control because, even after everything she had done, she still ended up right back at home. If everything you do doesn't change anything, why bother, right? Thus, it ended up being "Why bother" transitioning into increased frustration, leading into her outburst at the charity ball.

9. I recall them saying that Miles and Kerry had intended to give Neptune a scene in Sun and Neptune vs Pyrrha and Nora where Neptune had to get over being embarrassed in front of literally the entire world so that he could help Sun. He was going to put on swim floaties so he could feel secure in the water in a swamp biome. But, due to time constraints, that fight had to be cut. 2. Except that is just as dumb. In the time it took Jaune and Pyrrha to take the elevator out of the basement and get outside the tower, Cinder had already beaten Oz. How much time could she have bought? If judging by the actual timestamp and assuming they didn't abuse cinematic time, she lasted a little over 3 minutes, and even then thats accounting for scenes with Ruby and Weiss rushing there, which more than likely happened concurrently with Pyrrha vs Cinder, meaning she lasted less than that.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Pyrrha to also try and call Glynda and not throw her life away? Or if she absolutely had to go try and stop Cinder, why not try long range fighting and then utilize hit and run tactics rather than fighting up close? Pyrrha used didn't use Milo as a Rifle at all during the fight, just as a blade. True she threw it and Akuo around like she was Captain America, but that didn't really help. When she was using her semblance however, she actually had slightly better results, since she fought from a distance.

Again, she lasted 3 minutes, and had Ruby not shown up and used her DEM, Cinder would have taken out the tower and Pyrrha's death would be in vain. Hell, the tower fell even with Ruby getting there and using the DEM. So you could argue Pyrrha's death was still in vain as Cinder's plan still worked.

5. Except that isn't really necessary. Ozpin and Oscar show that at worst Pyrrha would just hear Amber's voice in her head, and if Ozpin is telling the truth, his consciousness will fade away and merge with Oscar's, so a similar case would probably happen with Pyrrha, with Amber's fading away and merging with Pyrrha's. They could have stalled for time in other ways, say the transfer in experimental and could possibly kill her, meaning she could lose her life for something she just learned about, rather than simply lose her personality. All the Personality Plot line did was open up a possibility only to make nothing of it than stall for time when other more sensible options could have been used.

6. Point Conceded.

8. Understandable, but it still seems like a Plot Line they could have closed up but chose to continue on more.

9. Even then though Neptune had virtually no presence throughout Volume 3. Aside from the fight with NDGO, he had one scene reaching out for Weiss when a Paladin hit her. They were building him up to be a supporting character, why not have him go and help Weiss at that scene, or have Team SSSN sit closer to Team RWBY to offer more interactions, or even just have Neptune get a few more lines. It also doesn't justify his nor Sage and Scarlet's abscence from Haven. Seriously, Volume 5 had the chance to have them show up, yet none of them did. You'd think at least one of them would live nearby or that Sun would call them for help taking down Adam and the WF, yet we didn't even see them!