User blog comment:ChishioKunrin/Why the introduction of ABRN is not a bad thing/@comment-173.58.100.7-20150822103013/@comment-173.58.100.7-20150823232759

Saren was more reasonable than that prick. I could at least convince him to stand down and shoot himself.

I spared Loghain once for all of ten minutes, only for the achievement, and the ability to strip him to his underwear, insult him and drop his approval by like 50, then have him fight an ogre in his underwear as penance. Even then I felt bad because while mostly-naked Loghain is hilarious, Alistair gave me such a lashing before departing to marry Anora.

Then I save reloaded and had Alistair kill Loghain and I felt much better about myself.

- Surana