Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20180105193053/@comment-2001:8A0:D22D:9C01:B176:923C:A7D5:C341-20180108134039

Alhazad2003 wrote: KingFubuki92 wrote: Again though, keep in mind, we are only hearing Ozpin's part in it. Only Ozpin says it was a training mission and Hazel's sister. Hazel just said "she" was a child and wasn't ready. For all we know, "she" may not have died on a training mission and Ozpin only said that to get Oscar to focus, and "She" could have been Hazel's daughter.

We can't trust Ozpin's word on anything anymore. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a half truth. "Oscar has to give me control", no, he just prefers that, he can take control whenever he wants. "Qrow and Raven asked for this power", really? Considering the burden speech Vernal gave and assuming Raven has similar feelings, I doubt she asked for these powers. To trust his word would be the same as trusting the word of a politician. Ah, so Qrow was just covering for Ozpin back there, I get ya. Yeah, I can imagine he's covered for Ozpin on a lot of things. But if he realizes Ozpin deliberately kept quiet on Raven being the Spring Maiden, oh man Qrow will be furious.  I imagine the only ones who know the truth are Ozpin, Raven, and Lionheart. Possibly "Vernal" as well, since Raven trusts her the most of the whole tribe.

And on that note, I got a crazy idea on how the next episodes will go: Raven nails Cinder with a heavy magical attack, sending her flying. Seeing an opportunity, she uses her Maiden powers to restore "Vernal," gives her acolyte her mask, and tells her to escape. "Vernal" may hesitate, but she does so, taking the elevator back to the surface. Cinder mocks Raven for her foolishness, until she realizes the elevator is the only way out. She tries blasting it, but Raven parries it wth her own magic and the fight continues. We don't know if Qrow covered for Ozpin. Also, how would Ozpin know Raven is the Spring Maiden? Clearly she gained those powers AFTER she abandoned Ozpin's cause. And Leo betrayed Ozpin in a very big way, but somehow he's betrayal would stop at Spring Maiden? Which is not even true, since as soon as Qrow revealed he thought he knew where Spring was, he made sure to get the coordinates to tell Salem. Besides, if Oz knew that, why wouldn't he tell Qrow?

Furthermore, we don't know if the Maidens can heal people - I hope not.

Honestly, I hope Vernal dies - she accomplished what she was created for: fool Salem's faction. Hell, if I'm wrong and Raven really never did intend to fight Salem on her own terms, then, perhaps she changes her mind about not fighting Salem if Vernal dies. I don't want RWBY to have 1 more character that they won't develop - if I wanted that I'd watch Bleach again - there are gazillion characters there, the overwhelming majority completely 1 dimensional. RT should stick to teams RWBY, JNR, TRQ and Oscar/Ozpin - those are already a lot of characters