Talk:Ozpin/@comment-28288412-20161105201237/@comment-5430952-20161110223748

1) And yet the show has relayed very subtle hints that Ozpin is far more than what you've stated.

-Ozpin is the only exception to the CNR, possibly because he predates the tradition

-His silhouette appeared when Salem described the phenomenon of becoming "more than just a man"

-Salem describes him and herself as "remnants of a forgotten past" in the Ruby Rose episode, and later says his "faith in mankind was not misplaced," impying he's somehow different from everyone else, and maybe... she's right.

-His own admission to Ruby, how he's made more mistakes than any man, woman, or child on Remnant. How could he make so many in a regular lifetime?

-His suggestion to Pyrrha that the tale of the Four Maidens had been around since he was just a boy. Pyrrha thought is was ludicrous, but is it indeed?

2) I wish I knew what Ozpin was thinking at the time, clearly it was something more than just the battle, possibly that relic Salem mentioned in the last episode.  And he was willing to sacrifice the CCT and (apparently) himself to protect it, and Cinder was clearly none the wiser.  That could also be why he "threw" the fight, if he went all out he could've destroyed the Tower, the relic, and countless people nearby.  I short, there was definitely more on his mind than just winning a single battle.

3) Okay, I double checked and she wasn't smirking, though considering how quickly she moved on I'd say she firmly believed Ozpin was dead, and thus no longer a threat.

4) Even at her worst, Cinder is not so audacious as to deceive her own Queen, hard to decide if it'd be worse than failing her though either would warrant severe consequences.  And Salem would know if Cinder wasn't being wholly honest, she wouldn't let a "child" pull a fast one on her, no sirree.