Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25266931-20161128203912/@comment-25936766-20161129234547

Alhazad2003 wrote: 0) "4rk4nt0s 1s 4 h4t3r,"

1) Really?  Notice how quick she was to justify herself with her "I told you so," speech to Qrow about Beacon and Ozpin, then that whole spiel about "ensuring her people's survival," even though it'll be at the expense of everyone else in Anima.

2) And notice how she bristles whenever her views are challenged.  Not to mention how she tried evading the issue of how Shion was truly destroyed, she didn't want Qrow knowing the whole truth so she gave him a BS answer.

3) That's why she ran away, to keep Qrow from learning too much and thus interfering with her agenda.

4) And a band that only values strength has little use for anything else, essenrially they're scarcely above animals, even the WF is better behaved and more evolved than them.  The irony of it all.

5) Clearly she didn't feel it strong enough to break free of the tribe, she lacked Qrow's courage in this regard.  She may have realized it, though even if she knew it was true, she still disregarded it and returned to her old life.

6) Ozpin preached the importance of teamwork from day one, and students don't go solo until they graduate when they're fully recognized as Huntsmen.

7) As for her being strong, skilled, and smart, I can agree with the first two points but the third is questionable, especially since I highly doubt basic literary skills are required in the tribe.

8) Yet Team CRDL didn't have the same mindset as Raven, they knew how to function in modern society, and had a stronger moral backbone than she or her tribesmen did, the irony of it all.  There's no doubt they're bullies, but they're definitely not depraved barbarians who are all but completely devoid of humanity.  Big difference.

9) That's a matter of opinion, she's way too thin-skinned for her own good, and if she got kicked out she would not take it well at all.

10) No, change is not optional in order to survive in modern society, it's mandatory. Trying to prove otherwise would be the biggest mistake of her life.

11) That depends on what she's told them of Yang, if anything at all.  For all we know she's said nothing to her "family," so they'll be none the wiser

12) They're not assumptions 0) My god, the salt.

1) And? It doesn't even imply at all that she has anything near an inflated self-opinion and ego. If I said "that football team won't reach the finals", and they don't, does that mean I have an inflated ego? No it doesn't.

Hell, considering Ozpin's MO was literally inaction, it's more like Foresight.

2) She never gave him a bullshit answer at all. Qrow mentioned Shion's fate, she points out that the weak die and strong live. He mentions the damage, she simply mentions the Grimm. When Qrow says he's not talking about the Grimm, her eyes widen slightly, but it doesn't mean any thing that you're talking about.

She never gave him any bullshit answers. And at most, all she did to "evade the question" was leave once Qrow got too nosy, which combined with him not helping, meant she was wasting her time and had no reason to keep talking.

3) Fucking no, she LEFT because Qrow was dancing around the question instead of giving her a straight answer, not even a simple "No" or "I don't know", meanwhile "needlessly" questioning her and her decisions. Raven was gaining nothing from that conversation, just wasting time.

4) Melodraman, you're wrong. The WF are worse. Her tribe pillages to survive, not plainly out of hate or anything. Meanwhile, the WF fights back racial hate with racial hate, resorting to terrorism for no good reason. And given most WF mooks come from the cities, they grew up in a society that preaches about cooperation, making their actions all worse.

5) And you missed my point. Given how you said in that essay that she felt during her time in "civilization", Raven ditching all that, including Tai and Yang, to go back to the tribe is plain inconsistent bullshit.

Besides, Qrow choosing not to return to the tribe doesn't mean anything even close to courage.

6) And? Being an antisocial jerk doesn't mean she didn't actually practice teamwork. She has her team, after all. With them, people she trusts and people who she knows their strength, especially her brother, she still followed Ozpin's idea of cooperation and teamwork.

7) Smart does not equal Literate. Being Literate is unnecesary to be Smart, and vice-versa. Smart = Quick Wits and Inteligence. You don't need to have received any level of education to be Smart.

Besides, being part of a tribe doesn't mean they are iliterate morons. That's offensive, actually. The tribemen learn things, gain skills and expertise, and their knowledge is passed down to the following generations. They may not know about the laws of physics, but they are not idiots.

8) Are you fucking blind, or just playing as such? "Stronger moral backbone"? Where? No one in CRDL ever showed anything like that. Besides, you speak as if those "barbarians" were completely deprived of humanity. Which is a heavy assumption. The world is grey, child.

They pillage villages for survival, and may be Social Darwinists because if you're not strong enough you won't last in the wilds outside the kingdoms to begin with, you'd just be a load. Do not go marking them as heartless animals just like that.

9) Like Spirit told you before, which obviously you decided to ignore for the heck of it, Raven did not show any signs of being thin-skinned at all. In fact, she showed the contrary.

Then again, this is not new. You see a character doing X and assume they're the contrary. First with Qrow, now with Raven.

10) Little child. "The strong live, the weak die", and Remnant pretty much works in a way that supports it. The Kingdoms were strong enough to lasts, while the weaker villages rise and fall all the time. Anyone who isn't even slightly badass rarely lasts outside the Kingdom's protection. And while teamwork is all fine, you cannot rely on others on everything.

Even for just her time at Beacon, Raven did not need to change her views "to survive". Not at all.

11) And? Doesn't mean they will "accuse her of being a sinner" or anything.

12) Did the fact go over your head? You argued that you guys were not making assumptions about Raven....by writing an essay full of assumptions. Hence the irony.