Talk:Cinder Fall/Affiliation/@comment-26018514-20150309140329/@comment-25555436-20150920194016

^1-Joker is an actual villain, who is always either killing people or blowing things up for his latest "prank". Junior however, is not. He has helped Yang in the show willingly, and the only reason he attacked her in the Y-Trailer was because she walked into his bar despite being underage, then threatened him, and attacked him without provocation. Joker is a true villain, but Junior can't even be considered such.

2-There's a big difference between Villain and Mook. Joker's thugs are Mooks, not Villains per se, and considering that the Joker is who he is, I seriously doubt most of them work with him for the heck of it. Miltia and Melanie however, are not Mooks, yet also are even less villanous than Junior.

Basically: The Joker is a true villain, Junior and the Malachite Twins are not, it's painfully clear to see the difference between them and the Joker, and it's said difference the reason Junior and the Twins can't be considered villains even though the Joker can.