Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-34633327-20171002160810/@comment-26018514-20171003073126

KingFubuki92 wrote:

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1. Both have a "prodigy" under their care they took in specifically to use for their abilities. Salem recruited Cinder to make her into a Maiden, Ozpin recruited Ruby for her Silver Eyes.

2. Both use propaganda to manipulate the public eye. Salem through Cinder lead the people think the kingdoms were on the brink of war, Ozpin tried to maintain a facade of peace.

3. Both create an armed force molded to their design. Salem has the Grimm, Ozpin trains Huntsman to follow his ideals.

4. Both are content with acceptable loses if it can further their goal. Salem sacrificing the Dragon (Assuming not many exist) to allow Cinder access to the Maiden's powers, Ozpin allowing Amber to die so as to get her power into Pyrrha (doing so would have killed Amber), and (assumedly) hoping something would Emotionally trigger Ruby to allow her to awaken the SEW powers.

5. Both have amassed a group of close allies with each seeming to fit a certain category. Speedster: Tyrian and Qrow. Tactician: Watts and Glynda. Physically Imtimidating: Hazel and Ironwood. Powered Prodigy: Cinder, and was supposed to be Pyrrha, now more likely Oscar or Ruby. Makes it seem like they're organizing a set of Chess Pieces.

There in lies one difference between the two though: their openness. Salem so far has been upfront about everything to her circle: ... We don't know if all his inner circle knew about his reincarnation power, but so far Ironwood hasn't shown to know about, while Qrow at least seems to know about it. He believes the Maiden's and the Relics should be kept secret in order to avoid people trying to claim them, not that that stopped Cinder from going after the Maiden's, and was content on allowing a 15 year girl to enter his academy with the hopes of her power being useful, without telling her outright why he enrolled her aside from "you have potential".

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Anyone agree with me that Ozpin seems no better than Salem in this regard? 1... and yet Salem never told Cinder of a crippling weakness she attributed to said powers, while the powers Ozpin never told Ruby about were too dangerous to use... I'd say Cinder NEEDED to know while it was far safer Ruby didn't... because she probably would have tried using it sooner, injured herself, let the enemy know about her powers, and died when they targeted her, never stopping Cinders plans at all, sacrifice or no.

2. Assuming the peace was a facade... everyone seemed pretty happy not killing each other, and unless Ozpin was capable of killing Salem permanently telling others about her doesn't help.

3. Huntsman have free will, he doesn't control all of them

4. Salem didn't exactly go into this expecting to lose the dragon, nor was it an asset under her control when it started, she literally lost nothing. Amber, on the other hand, was already dead, they had created a delaying action, but the only thing that "might" have saved her aside from their plan would likely have involved killing Cinder, who they didn't even know the identity of.

5. except your groupings are off, Ironwood was brought in for his tech.

6. except all of her members have secrets kept from them(see #1), we don't even know that they know what she is... heck one of them considers her a deity.

7. Ironwood would show this how exactly? he's a world leader with impatience as a characteristic, he can't waste time hoping for him to show... assuming he was told, because the dude is a walking security risk whose last assignment entrusted to him was handled beautifully... he only happened to stab Ozpin in the back, arm their enemies, and provide the background of anxiety for Cinder's big show... he's done more damage than Qrow... and Qrow's a drunken walking disaster.

8. For all we know Salem was someone he told all these things... or he thought she was dead, and like I said earlier, Ruby would have tried forcing it and using it earlier... and she's trusting enough she might have simply told people even if she didn't manifest earlier.