Talk:Vault of the Spring Maiden/@comment-28171999-20180109162100/@comment-4010415-20180109172442

Alhazad, you should probably rewatch the scene in Leo's office where they talk about the Spring Maiden. Lionheart had no idea where the current Spring Maiden is, and he showed that he didn't know.

From Welcome to Haven:

Qrow: The Relics are each locked inside a chamber that can only be opened by a specific Maiden. Winter for the gift of Creation, Summer for Destruction, Fall for Choice and Spring for Knowledge. (taking another drink) Spring is the problem.

Ren: What happened to her?

Lionheart: She was determined, at first, when she inherited her powers, but the weight of responsibility proved to be too much for the child. She... ran. Abandoned her training, everyone. That was over a decade ago. There's no telling where she could be now.

Qrow: I... know. At least... I have a pretty good idea.

Lionheart: (widening his eyes and standing up) Are you serious?

Qrow: It's not exactly good news.

Lionheart: (walking around to Qrow from behind his desk) What are you talking about? This is incredible news! (taking Qrow by the shoulders and shaking him) After all these years! Where?!

Qrow: (shoving him off) I did some digging around. Looks like, after Spring ran away, she was picked up by bandits, specifically the Branwen tribe.

Lionheart: Raven.

So...

1. You say that Raven fled to Mistral to train with her powers and then became overwhelmed and ran off. However, in Lessons Learned, Qrow says that STRQ graduated Beacon, so that means that Raven stayed at Beacon long enough to graduate. Huntsman Academy students graduate at approximately age 21. They normally start at 17 years old, Ozpin said they attend for 4 years, 17 + 4 = 21.

21 years old is not a child. Lionheart refers to the Spring Maiden who trained under him as being a child: "but the weight of responsibility proved to be too much for the child."

2. If Lionheart knew that Raven had inherited the Spring Maiden powers, he wouldn't have sat their and went "I don't know where the Spring Maiden is", then jumped up in surprise and excitement when Qrow said he found her, then become more serious when Qrow said she's with the Branwen Tribe. He said "Raven" because he was referring to who leads the Branwen Tribe.

3. Lionheart has been giving Salem information for, what Cinder calls, a long time. If he knew that Raven had the Spring Maiden powers, wouldn't he have just turned that info over to her earlier? He seems fully subservient to Salem and even tells her, with a sense of urgency, that she needs to get to Raven's tribe before Qrow does. Why wait until now to tell her about Spring's location?