Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24032889-20180128082951/@comment-14909251-20180510205301

73.Anon.52 wrote:

1. No, I was arguing it could not extend the arc because it is far too early for a great war arc during the Atlas arc... and I try not to quote entire paragraphs, especially not in such close proximity to the post quoted, people can scroll up if they need to.

If that was your argument then you should have made it, but you didn't. As far as being early, my suggestion is not for it to happen immediately. The idea would be for at least one Volume to be a buildup towards it starting and that could be made to last as long as they might consider necessary.

2. Mistral is not... But Vale very much is, I'm not sure you understand the true implications of an eternal war zone of the sort that now exists in their territories perimeter...

I don't think you know much about the history of warfare. Fighting a war while bogged down in a separate conflict is hardly abnormal and it is not as if this is a massive front being maintained. We would be talking about containing and monitoring the Grimm presence at Beacon, but this would not require a massive dedication of manpower. Unlike Mistral, Vale didn't suffer any significant loss of manpower either. They just lost a piece of territory, albeit a rather valuable piece of territory

Now Mistral has other reasons: their criminal underground is organized while their government is divided amongst the northern colonies(which rely on Atlas) and their southern ones which just lost pretty much all of their free agents(which are the most expendable for scouting/espionage) and all of these factions now have an up-for-grabs Haven to fight for.

I don't think Haven would be up-for-grabs. Where are you are getting the above about being divided between northern and southern colonies anyway? Don't recall this being mentioned anywhere. Nothing I recall indicated their government was divided at all. If the staff are alive in any part and the students as well, then it is likely they will have a simple transition.

Adam will be unable to use the WF Organization assets in Menagerie or Mistral, and even in Vale he'll be hard pressed to convince the WF he was fighting for WF ideals(Faunus rights) relatively soon, he can get hard-liners who just want to kill humans but in these 3 regions he won't be able to use idealists under the banner, Blake and the Belladonna's also have Sienna Khan's death to use against him.

He lost because he was betrayed by a subordinate. Don't see why anyone should assume Adam is somehow no longer able to do anything. None of the things you mention are going to be sufficient. Adam just has to say their information is from a traitor as a way to dismiss it and, if he knows, he may even undermine Ilia by alluding to her affinity for Blake.

I think this is more likely to lead to a civil war within the group rather than its takeover by the Belladonnas. Other factors could aggravate that even. Although Faunus intervened to save Haven, it was also a Faunus who put Haven in a situation where it needed to be saved. So repression of the Faunus could increase in some places.

Menagerie is not really a "force" yet, they were a hastily assembled mob with minimal training, and are bound to return home en masse shortly... Ghira has a day job.

Many maybe, but it is unlikely this won't lead to a bolstering of Menagerie and the Belladonna faction of the White Fang. They already had some form of guard or armed force and this would just increase it.

3. Because we are talking about political discussions... it'd be like asking your watch repairman to plan your one way trip around the world after you found out he was a Flat Earther... No matter how good at his job he is the job you have isn't in his wheelhouse in the first place and he doesn't think it can be done that way.

This argument is ridiculous. We don't even know why he was "disgraced" or what all he did. If he was prominent enough that Raven immediately knew who he was, then he probably had some influence at one time in Atlas. Being a scientist with expertise in robotics in a Kingdom that heavily relies on robotics for its military would probably make Watts someone people listened to once upon a time. He could have been "disgraced" over ethical issues with his research such as pushing medical boundaries. Some, such as those his research helped, might still sympathize with him. Point is, dismissing it out of hand is just pompous and baseless on your part.