Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-2607:FEA8:A9DF:FF05:9443:A0D5:234A:2736-20180117193352/@comment-34633327-20180117212025

The theme may be hope, but let me leave you with one of the main lyrics of Triumph. These describe their situation with Raven.

Helpless and doomed And there’s no way to win Goals unachievable Faith running thin Lost and forlorn impossible odds

Besides, they will have still saved Haven, so they didn't lose either. They just won't beat Raven.