Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-26306690-20181102234947/@comment-24018437-20181106141547

@Bluethunder25

You're avoiding the subject and instead starting a completely different one, Thunder. Usually, that's a sign someone's KNOWS they've been beaten or proven wrong. They just don't want to admit that and instead try to distract the other people involved in the discussion with a different topic. In this case, Ozpin's tendency to keep secrets. But alright, let's indulge you anyway.

Raven has lied and manipulated as well. And while Ozpin does it for the greater good as far as we know, Raven's motivations are more selfish. And while the 'greater good' excuse doesn't justify what Ozpin does, it certainly also doesn't make Raven a better person all of a sudden. She never told Yang WHY Ozpin can't be trusted. She just made up a lie about being forced to get a second semblance (which, as far as we know, has literally NO downsides! If anything, she uses this ability to her full advantage.) and then tried to manipulate and threaten Yang by staying with her, rather then be reunited with Ruby and Qrow.

If a proven murderder snitches on another murderer he happens to know, does that mean that his crimes suddenly aren't so bad anymore? That's what you're saying now. Raven did one 'good' thing and suddenly all her other crimes don't matter anymore.