Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31953669-20180124124137/@comment-4141313-20180311010843

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote: The best argument against her death is that we didn't see her die in any respect. Being frozen isn't dying, especially not in a series such as this, and someone falling from a great height that we have already seen can basically fly is also not proof of death, particularly when there is no idea of where she would be falling. Literally the only argument for why she must be dead in this scenario is "she was badly injured and she didn't immediately come back" as if this isn't a universe where the former is already established as useless and as if the former isn't easily argued against (she could just have been knocked out).

As far as Emerald goes, I'm not saying she is perfectly pure, but her motives are much purer and she shows signs of remorse, regret, and a greater innocence relative to literally every other villain involved. There is just nothing about her character that would say "future super-villain." Not everytime when a Villain dies do we see their literal death. Look at Palpatine from Star Wars. We didn't see him "die", we saw him thrown off a ledge. But he was confirmed dead.

And the flight argument has been debunked to hell and back. The former can only be argued as useless when they still have aura, which she didn't. Considering her eye was open before being frozen, she wasn't knocked out, she was awake, possibly in shock, but awake. And you are right, she can fly, so why didn't she? Maiden powers aren't reliant on aura, so she could have easily flown out. So why didn't she? Can't say she was unconscious, since as I just pointed out, she wasn't. And for the frozen argument, we have discussed to hell and back how she more than likely is suffering frost bite from that, and considering her proficiency with fire, there is no reasonable explanation for why she didn't melt herself and fly out unless she was

A. In Shock, in which case her body would keep falling till it hit the ground, at which point it would either be a red paste since again, no aura, or would shatter into shards.

B. Dead as she was frozen, as in as Raven froze her she died.

That isn't the only argument either. Other arguments include "She is the reason the plan failed, so even if she does somehow survive, Salem is done with her", "Impact of the fall = instant death", "Conspicuous Abscence during entire scene despite seeming ability to escape", etc.

And no, Emerald's motivations are not the purest of the Villains, if anything, they are nearly identical to Tyrian's motivations. Lets look at the established motivations of the known major Villains:

Roman: Survival. Can't stop Cinder's plans so he joined her.

Adam: Deliver punishment to humanity for their treatment of the Faunus, make the humans serve the Faunus, get back at Blake for abandoning him by making her life hell.

Cinder: Desires power, strength, to be feared.

Emerald: Feels she owes Cinder her life for picking her off the streets and will do what she can to help her.

Hazel: Desires revenge on Ozpin for the death of Gretchen.

Tyrian: Worships Salem as a Goddess and seeks to aid her however he can.

Both Emerald and Tyrian will do whatever their respective object of worship desires, only difference is Tyrian is Fucking Psychotic whereas Emerald is Emotionally Abused.

And again, no, she isn't the purest of the Villains. She has expressed Remorse ''once. ''The only other time she expressed anything close was when she was at Evernight/Salem's Domain, watching the Grimm be made, and her expression wasn't solely hers, as Mercury bore a similar one. Mercury, the Teenage Assassin who derives personal enjoyment from the mission, was also sporting a similar expression to Emerald.

And she is by no means the most innocent either. It was her machinations that lead to Yang's disqualifications and Penny's death. Yes, Mercury was the bait for Yang, but it was her illusion that fucked over Yang by drawing on her already existing flaws. If anything, Hazel is more innocent and Pure than her, in that he goes out of his way to try and dissuade combat when not going berserk, and even helped out Oscar when he was unaware Ozpin was in him. He kills out of a misguided grudge festered by grief, she facilitates death out of loyalty to an emotional abuser. Even Watts is more innocent by comparison, as the worst he has done is create a virus for Cinder, and berate her.

And considering Emerald has made it clear Cinder is her world to her, thinking Cinder is dead is easily enough to push her over the edge and get revenge on the one who she thinks is responsible. Not all villains look like they could become villains. It takes a nudge to start them down the path, before they go full on evil: Hence the trope Start of Darkness.

''Why can't you accept the possibility that Cinder is dead? ''You say you only hear one argument that is easily argued against, but that is the same for your argument. Your argument can be easily be debunked. Any other arguments you may have though?