Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27276671-20160214220907/@comment-410526-20160726101620

BenRG wrote: FWIW, I'm thinking that the Volume 1 prologue is actually the first part of the conversation at the end of Volume 3. I base this on the fact that Salem's first line in 03e12 sounds like she is responding directly to Ozpin's reference at the end of the prologue to a 'simpler, more honest soul'. Yeah, this is exactly what I thought too. It makes sense that Ozpin says his little bit about a "simpler, more honest soul", and then Salem replies a few months later after she's already destroyed Beacon and Vale and challenges Ozpin with "and when they fail and you turn to your smaller soul, know that you send her to the same pitiful demise".

BenRG wrote: If I'm right, then Ozpin sounding like he's talking over a radio of some sort has added significance as it indicates he is defintely not in the same physical location as Salem at the end of Volume 3. It also blows open the question of Ozpin and Salem's origins if she was noting that they were both 'remnants of a forgotten time'. In Players and Pieces, we see from the ruins that there was at least one significant and artefact-building pre-contemporary civilisation on Remnant that fell into ruin (probably due to Grimm and maybe due to Salem's plots). Could the two of them be part of that civilisation, the civilisation in which the Maidens emerged and the Silver-Eyed Ones were the paladins of humanity?

I find myself wondering how long they have been debating the worth and viability of human civilisation and how many times their debate has previously descended into violence? I like this, it makes a lot of sense. It does still leave open the question of why Ozpin disappeared at such a crucial time. Also, what's your stance on Salem's relation to the Grimm?