Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-28171999-20170718131326/@comment-71.175.63.159-20170719003915

Excuse me, what exactly about Ruby doesn't qualify as a developed character?

What exactly don't we know about her that you feel we should by now? And how is she any different than any other primary protagonist for a long-running show? Her development isn't non-existent. It's just not drastic. There's a difference. And also, in what direction is her character supposed to go to qualify as "development"? Does she have to become jaded and cynical? Constantly discouarged and depressed? Basically a completely different character? I'm kinda tired of seeing people discuss Ruby's character who seem like they don't actually get what her character is supposed to be and is, and/or just actively seem to hate on her for some ridiculously petty reason?

Also just to point out the flaws in some of the arguments already made here: Summer's death wasn't hers to talk about because she was barely old enough to remember her. Yang, however, was. Yang had just as much right to talk about the mother she lost who turned out to not be the woman who raised her as Ruby would have, if not more so. That was not actually a poor choice in writing so far as I'm concerned. Ruby loved her mother and still mourns her but I doubt she has especially strong memories of her (which may in fact be why she still talks with her at her grave, it's her way of not forgetting her).

Why would Taiyang and Yang talk about how she's been gone, several months after the fact? They both know where she headed. We see Yang checking a mailbox and obviously not being surprised to see there's no word from Ruby. They've both had to become complacent to a degree in order to cope. You can see Taiyang get anxious about Ruby when the professors bring her up.

And what, we didn't get to see Ruby mourn Penny? I suppose the fact that she cried her eyes out after she was torn apart and then proceeded to stab the hell out of the Nevermore that desecrated her remains and threatened another friend doesn't count? Do you need me to pick out moments where Ruby was clearly still not okay about what happened in V4?

I'll state it again. Her character development isn't non-existent. It just hasn't been drastic, which actually, when compared against other long-running shows like certain classic manga/anime series? Is not unusual. So if you're going to try and be edgy and hate on her (You hope Cinder kills her?  Really?), at least own it  and simply say you don't like the character. Instead of trying to justify it by hiding behind a silly excuse like, "Oh I just hate her because I think she's under-developed." Puh-lease.