Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181215021300/@comment-4141313-20181225050418

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

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6) I refer to the Dadpin theory.

7) I refer to my post about Oscar running away: ".....Even in the end, he's putting others before himself. Seems Ruby wasn't the only smaller, more honest soul in the group."

8) Plus, you're generalizing hard right now......And they don't treat Ozpin like shit/the devil for what he did, they treat him as untrustworth.... 2) Now that I think about it, just why would he not carry around his Huntsman license? That's pretty much an ID Card.

6) One of the many Ozmas having SEW children, I can get behind. The Silver Eyes coming from Ozma, not really. At least with the Maidens we were told he gave a good chunk of his magic to them.

7) You assume Oscar ran away "because it was for the best of the others". That's cute and optimistic, but too idealistic.

8) Generalizing regarding everyone sans Ruby, Nora and Ren treating Oscar in a less-than-friendly (at best) manner? Maybe. But regarding everyone treating Ozpin like he's the devil incarnate regardless of everything? I'm being generous. 2) The first episode of the season implies Licenses are digital now, so he should have access to it on his Scroll. So why he didn't have that out is the question.

6) Point I was supporting was the Kids. Now, the Kids being a result of inheriting magic from him is possible, considering Salem and Ozma having kids made them magic users, so maybe Ozma and a normal human just made Silver Eyes. Why they are Grimm Killers, blame the fact that Ozma's magic is probably tainted with GoL influence since he got reborn, or blame it on pure luck, I have no idea.

7) Understandable. I'd just like to think after his response to Hazel, he wouldn't so easily run away,  but that's just as likely.

8) The bird accusation was bad writing, considering the intent they seemed to be going for was the idea Ozpin forced it on them, not gave it to them with their consent, but obviously the execution fell flat.

Weiss didn't really treat him like an asshole, just get mad at him for trying to say what's best for her, and as we discussed back in the Episode 2 thread:

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

7) For Weiss, well, she put it best:

Weiss: You know, I'm getting real tired of people choosing what's best for me.

Doesn't matter if she got to know him in several weeks, soon as someone starts trying to dictate whats best for her like Jacques did, she'll immediately be on guard 7) I concede it here. I forgot how overly-emotional Weiss is below the surface. The pulling weapons thing I'd chalk up to them thinking Qrow would try to take the Relic from Ruby much like Ozpin tried a minute later, making them a bit jumpy.

Saying they think he's coldblooded is putting words in their mouth. So far, the prevailing thought it simply, "We can't trust him." Ruby, the most levelheaded of the four oddly enough, is simply untrusting of Ozpin, not calling him the devil incarnate. Yang, already having Raven's talons sunk into her and more prone to acting on emotion than on logic, is the opposite extreme and calls him a "bastard". Weiss and Blake however, are more towards the middle. Blake is still fresh to all this, so she's leaning more towards Ruby, but Weiss is just desperate to not go home, not pissed at Ozpin outside of his attempts to consider what's good for them.

As for his point, it only happened like that because he let it get that far. Why did they have to ask Jinn for the information? Because he was trying his damnedest  to make sure they don't know everything. So much so he bum rushed Ruby to prevent her from learning his past. Yeah, he had a tragic past and didn't want them seeing it, but the entire thing could have been avoided if he was just the tiniest bit more open with them, like say, tell them that Salem's immortal but the focus isn't killing her, just stopping her from killing every thing?

Plus, his methods for preventing panic and despair are counter intuitive. On a larger scale, keeping the public in the dark is a neccessary evil lest they invoke rioting and panic. On a smaller scale though, its more likely to backfire. For him to ask that they trust him, only to repeatedly break that trust in front of them, makes it less likely for them to trust him. Paranoia sets in, "Why is he so desperate to hide this", "Why won't he be honest with us", and they in turn try to find the truth, and accentuate the negative upon learning what he's hiding.

And again, how have they all treated him badly? Only Yang, Qrow, and Jaune have had bad reactions to Ozpin specifically rather than Salem's immortality, and they all have their reasons.

Yang: So emotionally unstable she fell for Raven's bullshit and got a chip on her shoulder for Ozpin.

Qrow: So blindingly loyal to Oz that he put him on a pedastal, and when that pedastal broke he couldn't handle it, and combined with his existing issues including alcoholism and depression, he broke.

Jaune: Heavily depressed and borderline suicidal after Pyrrha's death, looking for a source to vent his rage, paranoid over Ozpin after learning just what it was they had Pyrrha doing before she was killed, and emotionally unstable in general.

Also, Salem being immortal does change one thing for them. Possibility versus Futility.

Before, the Grimm were simply mindless beasts that they could cull an find manageable.

With the knowledge of Salem, the Grimm aren't necessarily mindless anymore, but they could still try to kill Salem then cull the Grimm.

With the knowledge she's immortal, it seems hopeless. She'd be able to plan around their efforts, engage more disasters like the fall of Beacon, and spawn a never ending horde of monsters that can't be culled.

With each revelation, the possibility of managing the Grimm becomes less and less believable. For even if they can fight the Grimm, there will be another Cinder, Hazel, Tyrian, or Watts waiting to make things worse. The Fall of Beacon has forced Atlas to close its borders thanks to Ironwood, and while Cordovin is a nationalistic bitch, she's not alone in her belief that the world is gunning for Atlas.

To them, before it was a simple as taking care of an epidemic of wild boar. Now, its like trying to kill a never ending army of zombies with the capacity to think, learn, and plan.

And for the processing thin, one more point: ''They are teenagers. ''They won't think rationally, they won't think logically, they are hormonelly addled teenagers with the stress of a Secret War on their shoulders and having to deal with their own issues. They aren't gonna act logically or intelligently when stressed out. Or when saddled with a variety of issues ranging from PTSD, abandonment issues, depression, abusive home life, racism, repressed rage, identity crisis', survivor's guilt, panic, and fear.