Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181110034633/@comment-37471226-20181111110839

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: Rotcrow wrote: Okey, I’m sorry to be the dissenting voice here and you are all free to disagree, but for me this episode (which I hoped to be one of the most thrilling, significant and shocking of the whole series) has earned one single word to be described with: POOR

I mean, it’s not only that they have destroyed all the suspicious about Ozpin being this kind of grey, darker character that had betrayed Salem’s love for a selfish goal, leading to all her hatred for him and the reason because of this war started, and presented this plane deepless-all-good-pure-hearth-goofy-lover whose biggest mistake was not realising that the love of her live had gone nuts, but they had solved one of the BIGGEST MYSTERIES of this WHOLE SERIES, which has been ABOVE IN THE SKY from the very beginning making us theorising WHAT has happing, letting us think it has something to do with one of the other big enigma of the show (Ruby’s mother and her death) in one of the DUMBEST MOST IRRELEVANT way I could ever imagine at the hands of a random character which, in my opinion (yes he is a god that can turn into a cool dragon and all that) has very little to add to the plot aside from highlight the lack of imagination of the scriptwriters that had to appeal to a classic “deus ex Machina” (literally). I mean, how did they came out with that idea in the first place?:


 * Dude, how do we explain this whole moon shattering stuff?


 * Meah, just crash a gigantic over-powered dark magic dragon into it. Kids will love it!

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I know most of the people reading this will think I am a hater (and they are probably right) but I had such high expectations with this episode and the revelations it will bring (Ozpin sins, the origin of Salem)… After reading some of the post in here I would like to think there’s still some hope specially regarding Ruby’s mother death (how Ozpin could had forced her to fight Salem in solo combat in an attempt to beat her, hopping the silver eyes were the key to achieve victory, and because of his obstinacy in his goal she died, showing some kind of darkness in a man who is willing to sacrifice everything and everyone in his fight against his former love) and how the way Ozpin formulated his question to Jinn is the key to beat Salem: He can’t defeat Salem, but some other (Ruby) can.

I don’t know. RWBY once seem to me a complex story with a lot to offer beyond the classic happy fairy tale in which the good ones are all good and the bad ones are pure evil and arrogance, but these last seasons have been quite disappointing in what narrative terms. Hope we hadn’t seen it’s last word. Otherwise, it would be a pity ‘cause despite all I love this show. Okay man, when did the show ever imply to you that Summer's death and the Moon's destruction were ever connected? I see none of that, so your disappointment is your own problem because your own fanwank wasn't satisfied. Also, I like the curveball this episode threw, that is Ozpin wasn't some shady bastard from the beginning but a tragic figure with almost no control of what happened to him, and the real thing that made people leave was that he believed Salem can't be defeated.

They have been showing all kind of symbology since the beginning of the show. The first opening for example? When Ruby apperas starring at the moon and how her mother appeared infront of it, with her white petals resemble the fragments of the moon and how immediately after they erase the moon by turn it into petals. The way some character like Qrow look at the moon with a nostalgic expresion. Fragments of songs like "Red like Roses" it which they say "for eternity I'm shattered". The prominent position they give it to it in the series. Maybe it's because I came from an Audiovisual degree but I would never created such atmospher or potential subliminar messages if they will just randomly crush into it and over-powered-dark-magic-dragon ('cause like it or not, that's what happened). Regarding to Ozpin, feel free to like it the way it is, it perfectly works with the plot. I only feel it would have been more interesting a gray more complex character than a flat pure hearthed heroe.

And about the "disappointment" being my problem, of course it is. Don't mean to be rude but I'm not watching this series for no other reason than myself and because I like it. I'm just here expressing my opinion freely.