Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27143816-20160216033644/@comment-14909251-20160612192847

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: 1-On the contrary. They want to protect the Maidens. The most natural, logical conclusion would be that, even if they did train the Maiden somewhat so she can defend herself in desperate cases, she wouldn't have fought Grimm even 1/6 as often as a Hunter. Because if you want to keep this lady safe, you would make sure she doesn't go to a lion's den unless she has an escort.

How utterly ridiculous. What's the point in monitoring, training, and protecting these super-powered individuals if you have no intention of deploying them against the biggest existential threat facing mankind? Given the whole Maiden thing is supposed to be a secret, they would not want her to be accompanied by a whole bunch of people. The fact she was alone and seemed to be arriving in a country area from the direction of the mountains, suggests she was coming back from a mission of some sort out in more tense Grimm territory.

2-It does prove that she wasn't so far away from civilization however. If she fought Grimm there, it would be the weak ones at best, and even then only a few. Nothing that compares to the ones in Beacon now.

First off, we know there are settlements outside the Kingdoms so it isn't outlandish for there to be signs of civilization in areas where there are a lot of Grimm. Secondly, most of those showing up were the weak ones. There were some tougher ones, but the bulk were regular Beowolves, Ursi, and Boarbatusks. I would also point out that we didn't really see a lot of Grimm in and around Beacon right at the time when Pyrrha was incinerated. Most were attacking the city.

3-Ruby was trained by motherfucking Qrow. She is a very special case. Plus, she did go to areas with multiple Grimm even before reaching Beacon, alone or at least without any actual help, without any trouble or fear either, so I question your claim of "very little field experience". Didn't you mean Weiss?

Only instance we know of is in the Red Trailer as I recall and that was a bunch of Beowolves. That is also canonically sketchy. Her actions during the initiation showed no real experience, just good Aura and weapons training and fearlessness. Amber

We have reasons to believe Ruby has good field experience. We have no reasons to believe Amber does as well.

No, we don't really have any reason to believe Ruby has good field experience and every reason to believe that a super-powered individual would be used to fight the greatest threat to human civilization.

4-Considering Ruby's hand-to-hand skills, I don't think that's something so outstanding or impressive that we should assume she's a total Bruce Lee.

We only get to see a minute or so of her skills, but it certainly is significant and speaks to considerable training or experience.

5-He did not pass out like Anon said, but he was obviously tired once he and Nora reached the rest. His stamina is poor, compared to everyone else's. Except maybe Jaune, since he didn't actually do anything too tiresome before the DS fight.

If he literally chased after Nora riding an Ursa then him being tired is about more than just fighting a Grimm using primarily Aura.

But still, that's pretty irrelevant. Amber doesn't necesarily share his stamina, skill, strength, nor does she necesarily know how to do what he does.

It is truly amazing. You are just assuming that the person who is one of four people with a great magical power under the watch and protection of some of the biggest players in Remnant is somehow not even going to be as capable as a first-year student in a high-school/university setting. Never mind that we have seen her fight and she is obviously no slouch.

6-It makes ambushes by Grimm far easier. If we include any possible fear or anxiousness caused by waking up in the middle of a Grimm infested area, then it becomes much more likely. "Natural cover" works both ways, not one-way. And the Grimm are attracted to negativity, so even if she was hidden, unless she has super apathy syndrome, at least some Grimm can detect her.

You all are really just assuming this "negative emotion detector" works like goddamned homing radar. There is not a thing to indicate their abilities to detect negativity are so precise, assuming she cannot suppress negative emotions and that a single person's negative emotions are even going to be picked up with all the negative emotions coming from elsewhere. Natural cover does work both ways, but generally Grimm are not as intelligent as people and thus not as good at taking advantage of it.

7-And what are you doing so far? Dismissing all our points, and believing only what you want to believe, against all reason.

I have addressed all your points and all I am doing is allowing for the possibility of something rather than scrambling for excuses to not allow the possibility of something. Are you not cognizant of how ridiculous it is for you to complain about me "dismissing your points" when this whole discussion is just one really long-ass attempt to dismiss speculation you do not like?

Arkantos95 wrote:

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Cinder's little Glovebug was an Aura Leech of some kind, especially since in the war against Life Salem is engaged in that would have far greater utility than something that is only effective on 4 people.

Maybe it is or maybe it isn't, but what we know is that Cinder was trying to suck out her Maiden powers not her Aura and no indication was given to Pyrrha by Ozpin that Amber's Aura had been drained in any way.

Given the fact that they explicitly stated the only way the Brotherhood could give Pyrrha Amber's abilities was through Aura transfer, it becomes even less unreasonable. Especially since Pyrrha glowed the same color during the transfer even thoug she sure as hell wasn't using Maiden powers.

At this point you're just repeating yourself and offering no new reasoning. Her glowing the same color doesn't mean the color represents Aura rather than Maiden powers. This is really simple: when the Aura transfer is happening, the audience is supposed to be aware that the Maiden powers are being transferred as well and to know when it has failed completely. Best way to be sure of that is to have the color of the stuff moving into Pyrrha be the same color as what moves into Cinder. Her getting Amber's Aura makes no real sense unless we argue that somehow the machine transferring Aura to Pyrrha made it so that the Maiden powers took Amber's Aura along for the ride to Cinder.

The situation in Beacon is different enough that the points that you're bringing up on that count are completely irrelevant. As for the sounds, it's an empty fucking city. There's going to be echoes of whatever's going on.

Are there no echoes in a mountainous forest?

Amber is not a soldier, so let's just stop bringing that up right now. If she was a soldier, she'd be with Ironwood, and she would never leave Atlas, or hell, she probably wouldn't leave whatever military base he'd stick her in. Yes, that's an assumption on my part, but given Ironwood's demeanor, tactics, and the fact that he's every well-meaning military figure that ends up making the situation worse ever, it's not even close to being an unreasonable one.

Here you again just pronounce things as truth when you can't possibly know any of what you are saying. You assume being a soldier means she would be from Atlas, but by all accounts the Kingdoms all have military forces of their own, with Atlas only being unique in having huntsmen and huntresses integrated into the military.

And like Someone said, you're not exactly innocent of the whole arrogance bit, so why don't you tone down the hypocrisy and ad hominems and knock it off, k?

I'm not even being remotely arrogant. Literally all I am trying to allow is that the Ambyrrha theory is possible and not a radical outside possibility at that, but well within reason. Should you want me to stop calling you arrogant, then you should stop making pronouncements like above about Amber not being a soldier when you have absolutely no basis for making such pronouncements.