Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31098022-20170218174614/@comment-31098022-20170310173948

Ozpin Vs Cinder: We are about as clueless as Salem when it comes to Ozpin's plan requiring his death.

Raven and Qrow: Maybe they could just be playing word games with each other to try and get info without giving any up.

Tyrian: Again maybe but how would Tyrian ever be near Jaune without being on a mission from Salem which would be his top priority. Unless they run into each other by coincidence or he just makes sure not to use lethal force on Jaune and leaves him in a state where he can defend himself. Maybe even dropping him off somewhere safe. I think it would take more than a fierce look to impress Tyrian. Especially if he has bad eyesight. But then again he did lean in but why lean in? What do the faces of his future victims mean to him? Also all of RNJR was brave when facing him.

Chess/Relics: If the king is the wizard I would imagine that he might have had all the relics on him considering that he does have them later in life and hides them. If he had only one or two relics I would assume that it was either his crown and or scepter and they were the relics of choice and knowledge respectively. To me it seems odd that a king would enter battle with nothing but his sword, his scepter and the crown a top his head so I would imagine the odd objects out are relics. Maybe his cape was even a relic and if you add his sword that's all 4.

I could see the crown representing choice as a crown is a symbol of leading and how to lead is a choice and the scepter being like a cane which is usually associated with the old and wise. If the sword was a relic it would only make sense to be the relic of destruction as it is a weapon but a sword in my opinion is the only item which can represent all of the relic. A sword can create empires but can also destroy them. A sword is a symbol of choice as you can use it how you see fit and knowing when to use a sword and when to not is knowledge. But in this case if I assume the king had all the relics and they were shown in the video than the sword must be destruction despite being extremely cliche. As for the cape I could see it being creation but my logic is quite the stretch so bear with me. When I think of creation I think of kids or more specifically babies and when I think of babies they are wrapped in a blanket so the cape equals a blanket which is the relic of creation. I blame superman for giving me the idea.

I don't think the sword is a relic though because that would be too obvious.

Also we have to remember that the wizard didn't make the relics, the two brother Gods did. So what would the Gods use to represent those gifts. I would find it odd that they made one relic in the shape of a crown and the other a scepter as these are items that would belong to a king. Maybe it's something inside or on the crown, scepter and maybe the sword. I could easily see all those items having jewels so maybe the relics look like dust crystals. But I personally don't like that idea because that would make them the Marvel infinity stones.

So l think the relics are unassuming but represent the gifts perfectly. Nothing gaudy or outlandish but simple.

As for choice that is a hard relationship to physically represent with one item. I can't really think of any item that if I showed someone and asked what it made them think they would say choice. The way I mentioned representing choice is more of a mind set or philosophy or way of thinking. But maybe there is an item out there but I can think of it. I'll ask some pretty I know and see what they think. Personally I want the relic to represent the gifts with no ambiguity or place from interpretation.

It could be two items but it would be odd if one of the relics had two parts. Personally I would like one item that reports choice.

Considering Cinder is the only one who works different under Salem and fits the maiden conditions I agree with you especially because I don't see Salem forming a team of 4 maiden girls. It begs the question though can the maiden powers coexistence in the same body. As seen from Amber who pretty much did attacks that represent all the seasons it doesn't look like there would be a reason to acquire them all in one person unless they are more powerful together. So yeah the relics and Ruby's silver eyes are going to be important in taking Cinder down.

You have a good point. The schools aren't safe anymore so they need to get them.

Arc Siblings: How could you tell the aura color of someone when it's not unlocked yet. Most people have something representing their aura color so it is odd that Jaune doesn't have a white theme or something white that sticks out on him like Ren's eyes and pink hair streak.

Yeah it is fun to guess.

Yeah the whole wizard having kids thing leads to a little of questions. Agreed.

Why would they need or want another son those? Yeah we currently have practically nothing to work with on the Arcs.

Personally I think that Jaune was the only boy purely by chance and probably isn't the youngest. If important right then I think they babied him not for any special reason but because he wanted to be a hero and his family didn't want that life for him.

Like Pyrrha said I just think Jaune took them willing to accept him back the wrong way. Why shelter him though and why not give him a chance to earn the power then by training him? Like I said before maybe they live in between kingdoms.

True. The show has said that a hereditary semblance isn't unique only to the Schees. Maybe his father has a different semblance but only a son can possibly inherit the king's semblance.

It would be nice if Jaune's strength was entirely his own but that would make no sense as that would be a big gamble on Ozpin's side so there had to be something more to Jaune. Either he is the descendant of someone or he does have some as of yet unrevealed special trait.

Agreed.

Ozpin choosing the leaders: Agreed. They probably didn't want Ozpin putting Ruby in danger any sooner than she needed to be. So I would guess Tai isn't in on it with Ozpin because he wouldn't have let her go to Beacon if he knew and Qrow was away at the time so he couldn't do anything to stop it. Still you'd think Ozpin would have checked up on Ruby himself the.

Yeah that can be foreshadowing.

Getting into Beacon: Qrow's luck doesn't affect himself directly but the world and people around him.

True. Yeah.

True again but he didn't do anything to put Jaune into a position to make that decision.

She still should have reacted or confronted him about it later.

If Jaune is the most powerful Arc then Salem was right to question Ozpin's plan. Could Jaune have the potential to be the most powerful Arc? Yes. Is he currently the most powerful Arc? I don't think so.

Glynda gave more attention to JNPR not Jaune specifically and most likely because of Pyrrha who was the maiden candidate. And I. The words of Nora

Jaune

Which were confirmed by Jaune himself when he said

She's not wrong.

Jaune improved a good amount between volumes 1 and 3 but not good enough to be in Beacon.

He improved a lot more in season 4 as shown in the Nuckalvee fight.

I could see Ozpin rocketing Jaune's locker away for a while to force him to socialize.

But in the end Ozpin didn't do anything to save Jaune. He does care about lives so I would assume that the world step in if Pyrrah or anyone else didn't.

I think Qrow was interested in Jaune because Jaune was the only one wild to call him and Ozpin out on their plans.

That is the reason but in chess there more pawns than any other piece. Some students are obviously more valuable to Ozpin than others but he needs them all to plan and win.

Qrow getting RNJR together: Maybe.

Ozpin/king: I'm just saying that Ozpin made a lot of questionable choices. If the king would have attacked the settlers that would have caused a war immediately. Instead he decided to wait it out to try and avoid conflict. He did what any king, wizard or not, should have done. It does fit but there is a possibility that Ozpin's predecessor had the kind on his side.

Also Ozpin's became head master of beacon so that he can further his plans. Being king would restrict him and hinder those plans so he would have had a tougher time doing his job. So why not step down from the throne sooner? Being king does seem to help him out unless he uses his power as king which it doesn't seem likely the king really did?

Personally I think that the theory where Ozpin was the king of Vale and Jaune is his descendant would be the most interesting and has the most potential. The theory could use some work though.