Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171123054740/@comment-34633327-20171125220436

ChishioKunrin wrote: VedranThell wrote:

KingFubuki92 wrote:

1. Maiden powers unlock Relics. By Proxy, Ozpin's powers unlock Relics.

2. So with all this, this means that somehow after leaving the Relics, Salem showed up, and the Gods made Ozpin try to stop her. He failed so he was cursed with reincarnation. In one of his incarnations, he split his power upon 4 maidens, then in another Reincarnation, the King of Vale built the academies to hide the Relics. At some point during all this, he formed the Ozluminati for several generations in hopes of hiding the Maidens, and then became the Ozpin we know. He then brought STRQ into his circle, then turned the Branwen's into birds (Dude's got a sense of humor, making them into their namesakes).

3. how was he defending the Relics then before hand? 1. Nononono, they don't unlock the Relics, they unlock the vaults that contain the Relics. Though, as I continue to read, I see that you get that. Sorry. It's just that some people are confused and think that the Maidens are the only ones who can use the Relics, rather than being the only ones who can unlock the vaults containing the Relics.

2. Yep yep yep, pretty much. Neat that we're getting more of Ozpin's history.

3. Hmm. If he had them all with him, he would've had the power to change the world, so it wouldn't make sense that he still hasn't defeated Salem. Though, I still think he at least had the Relic of Destruction with him during the Great War and that's how he was so destructive during the final battle.

BerserkerPhantom wrote:

4. The episode felt real slow and pointless. 4. The point was to have a nice entertaining character moment between friends who've been apart for months, then finally confirm theories that people have been debating about, then have Yang declare that Ozpin needs to stop lying and keeping secrets, and of course, set up Cinder's group getting to the Branwen camp. 1. Yeah, sorry bout that. I was gonna put vault but then I couldn't remember if they specifically said the word "vault", so it can kinda come across as confusing.

2. While we are getting a history per say, we aren't really getting a time frame. The closest we have is the knowledge that the King of Vale set up the Academies after the Great War ended 80 years ago. Ozpin said the tale of the Wizard was from when he was a child, but which Ozpin? The Ozpin we know, or the King of Vale's childhood? Then we don't really know at which point during their fight did Ozpin screw Salem over by dividing his powers up.

3. I also think he had the Relic of Choice on hand. The King of Vale had Ozpin's cane on hand, and if my theory that Ozpin's powers can function as a skeleton key for the vault is right (Since the Maiden powers which unlock the vault were once his powers), then Ozpin may have been keeping the Relic on his person the whole time and just left the vault empty, hence why Salem couldn't find it and Ozpin was adamant about the first words outta Oscar's mouth to Qrow being basically "Gimme my cane". Hidden in plain sight and all. So if the theory is indeed true, then the King had two Relics on hand...... In retrospect, there was a lot of talk about the King's sword being a Vacuo sword, maybe the WOR was forshadowing it being the Relic of Destruction, as unlike the rest of the king, it was Vacuo's color, he wielded it as he caused destruction, and Destruction Relic is connected to Summer, and assumedly Vacuo.

So then that begs the question..... Where was he keeping Knowledge and Creation?

4. As TvTropes puts it, this episode was a Breather Episode, not Filler. A nice little Calm before the Storm. The problem is, if done wrong the Breather Episode can come across as pointless. Take Gravity Falls for Example. Season 2's Roadside Attraction was set between the tense episode The Last Mabelcorn and the Penultimate Episode before the Grand Finale Weirdmageddon, Dipper and Mabel vs. The Future. Because of this and a generally poor plot for the episode, it is regarded as not only a waste, but also one of the worst episodes in the series. So in this case, the Breather Episode was done wrong.