Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-70.164.250.74-20180315191229/@comment-25936766-20180316231643

2001:8A0:D21E:E301:38ED:BDD3:B4F7:B3C wrote: 1) What I meant was he should hate the WF more than humans hate the WF, not that Sun hates humans. 2) Also, when in V1, Weiss is throwing insults to WF members, Yang says that's not necessarily true, so clearly there are several opinions about the WF, not all black and white.

3) Stalking is creepy behavior and a sign of obsession, not love. So, no, it shouldn't be taken lightly.

4) I suppose I could have said and her only reaction was slapping him which I found totally unreasonable, but, to me, I thought that it was pretty heavily implied that I thought her reaction was awful and unbelievable for someone with her past.

5) As for being shocked, she clearly states that WF there don't wear masks, which pretty heavily indicates that at any given point, WF can be in Menagerie and she's aware of that.

6) My point is that Blake's behavior changes without reason and it does. And yes, it's bad writing, or, more specifically, bad characterization.

7) Sorry, no such thing as "good stalking". Again, sign of obsession, which doesn't tend to be good or end well.

8) No, I just don't think affection=love. So far, I consider them to have a crush. And certainly nothing that can justify Sun's behavior (although love wouldn't do the trick either).

9) And you're free to think it doesn't hurt the ship, but for me to get behind a ship, the characters have to be characters in their own right (there have been exceptions I suppose, but for most part, this is true). Ok, first of all, don't quote my entire comment exactly as it is, including your own post inside it, because then this thread will get overly-filled with walls of text that make it a pain to scroll through.

One can delete stuff inside a quote. If it's too long, you could delete the quote but leave the "Bobsomething wrote:", add an ...., and then respond to their points in your post proper. It takes up less space that way.

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1) Ah, yeah, read it again. My bad, admittedly.

2) Actually, there are nothing but black views about them. Weiss, though, did not throw any insults at the WF per se, but instead she stated that all Faunus are WF or at least like the WF. That's basically what sparks her fight with Blake, Weiss stating that all Faunus are radical terrorists without a cause, she put them all on the same box (which is irational but excuseable since most, if not all Faunus she saw growing up were WF hellbent on ruining the SDC's day).

Leaving aside the WF characters, people never speak positively about the WF or act as if they were not all radicals and extremists. Not even Blake, who at best says stuff on the line of "they weren't always like this". And even including the WF character, all of them have second thoughts at some point, even Corsac and Fennec.

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3) Obsession and Love are different things, but it would be ignorant to state that they cannot go hand in hand. Quite often, they do.

4) Well, for starter, one thing you seemingly forgot: People change. Blake in Vol.4 is not the same person Blake was in Vol.1. Especially since she was going through an emotional shitstorm of sorts at the time Vol.4 begins.

The same goes for anyone. Yang in Vol.4 and Yang in Vol.1-3 are completely different. Weiss went from a cold bitch to a selectively-cold, friendlier person, all from one Volume to the next. Jaune became kind of more emo after Vol.3. And so on.

Of course, there are characters who have barely changed at all, or haven't changed a bit, even since Vol.1. Ruby, Nora, Sun....but Blake's not one of them.

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5) Mmmmm.....looking at the transcript again: First, when Kali says Ghira's talking with the WF, both Blake and Sun scream "WHAT?!". Ghira says "they represent the White Fang in Menagerie now".....

So, I guess there were WF before in Menagerie (nothing said about masks though). It still caught Blake by surprise, however.

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6) Except it had a perfectly good reason in Vol.4: Blake was scared of Adam, and fearful of his threat, which (since he has great influence in the WF, somehow) he could've followed upon if he wanted, and in fact did in Vol.5 (and failed, but still).

That's why Blake was so paranoid on the boat (granted, being stalked for months likely did not help), and why she was so irritable for the entire Volume.

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7) I never said there was such thing as "good stalking". I said that Sun, was not an evil psychotic asshole like Adam, he was quite the opposite of that, and Blake has known that since Volume 1. And Sun did it because he cared about her, not to kill everyone she loves like Adam.

Hence why Sun's stalking is more tolerable than it would otherwise be. Again, he's not an asshole, he's just an idiot. Sufficiently-advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

And keyword is TOLERABLE. Not acceptable, tolerable. Like when an 8 year old throws paint on a car's window. It's not acceptable, but it's tolerable because it's an 8 year old, and kids of that age are idiots who don't know what they're doing.

8) ..........In what kind of backwards, twisted world do you live where Crushes and Affections have nothing to do with and are completely separate from Love? What, do you think people fall in love magically without ever having any affection or crush on each other?

And I never said it justified his behavior. At most it helps explain it to some extent, but explanations=/=justifications.

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9) And both Blake and Sun are characters in their own right, with clear personalities and emotions and stuff. Whether they are well-written characters or not is a different question.

And honestly, if all ships required both characters to be well-written, the whole RWBY Armada would've sunk long ago.