Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-27143816-20160216033644/@comment-27082610-20160417142056

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: Arkantos95 wrote: You're right, it's not Mission Impossible, because that had a minimal grounding in reality. Arrogant, are we? I mean, to be certain about a fictional universe's reality when you have nothing to do with constructing that reality shows an impressive level of unwarranted self-confidence.

Let's look at it this way: If (and this is a BIG if) some dormant bit of Amber's soul was wrapped up with Pyrrha's Not a particularly big "if" given the whole point of the soul transfer was to put Amber's soul in Pyrrha's body and it was literally happening when Cinder interrupted it.

why wouldn't it die with her? Why would it drag her down to a corpse that was injured in a way that no life support conceivable short of literal demi-god level magic could possible save or even slow the process of its death? The soul returning to its body after the body is revived is not exactly an outlandish prospect.

And even if that somehow did work, against all logic and with no canon basis for it Of course there is no canon basis for it, as transferring a soul into another living person is itself canonically unprecedented and directly acknowledged in-universe as something that could have unpredictable results.

she would still be in a heavily injured body that hadn't moved for months, possibly years. And so she'd have to drag this heavily injured body Boosted Aura healing factor.

(while being incredibly disorineted by the fact that she was freakin' dead and the fact that she somehow has two souls that are probably not very happy at their proximity to each other) Desire to survive can do a great job at getting someone fixed and focused regardless of mental anguish.

up a straight ruined elevator shaft Pyrrha's Semblance would not make that a difficult obstacle and it would make sense for Ambyrrha to have that Semblance given it is a product of one's Aura a.k.a. soul.

to crawl through an abandoned hellscape of monstrosities whose sole purpose, regardless of confusion or fear, (something things without souls wouldn't even be able to feel) is to seek out and destroy all life. And I don't know about you, but I feel like if I got dragged back to life after getting shot multiple times by arrows and failing miserably at the one job I'd assigned for myself, I'd probably be feeling some pretty negative emotions, you know, those things that draw the Grimm in like chum to a bunch of hungry sharks. TL;DR: On the off chance that Pyrrha DID somehow come back in this completely ridiculous way, she'd be screwed. Heavily, because despite the "confused and frightened" status of the Grimm, she'd still be in the epicenter of the horde, weaponless and alone. This is all merely you insisting a super-powered warrior trained in combating the Grimm, technically two such warriors in one body, would somehow not be able to just escape the Grimm because it is too hard or something. Personally, aside from that Grimm dragon, we haven't seen anything that warrants the kind of dire opinions you are offering. When a freshman student on his first day can kill a giant two-headed snake Grimm with essentially his bare hands, the lack of faith you put in this theoretical fusion of two far more experienced fighters is rather misguided.

73.Anon.52 wrote: I already went over this with DA. DA is attached to this theory and nothing anyone says will change that I'm not attached to it at all. Certainly, it is an interesting and appealing theory to me, but why shouldn't it be? You may be wrongly interpreting my annoyance with shoddy rebuttals as attachment.

he actually also tried arguing this theory was possibly easier for Amber than it was for Qrow to retrieve Ruby based on the fact Qrow had to fight his way there as well as fight his way out. just drop it. You act as if it is unreasonable to suggest it might be easier for someone to merely escape from an area when they have no time limit, no set destination, and don't have to care for anyone else, rather than try to reach a specific high point in the epicenter of a monster horde in time to prevent someone from being killed and then lug said person all the way back through said horde. That's what I am talking about with that whole "shoddy rebuttals" comment. Okay, let's just break this down, shall we?

1) I'm certain about this aspect of this universe's reality because we have been shown absolutely nothing to the contrary. From everything we've been told by the show, by the lore, by the creators, it would seem that death actually has meaning in this world, so resurrection by any means is probably one of the most outlandish "theories" I've ever heard.

2) It is still a big if because we saw the light of Amber's aura be drained away from Pyrrha, down the tubes, and added to the bolt of energy that was drawn into Cinder's body.

3) We have no reason to believe her body was revived. Amber was literally actively dying even with the life support she was hooked up to. Its sole purpose was to slow the process enough that her abilities would be transfered. A body that was already on the verge of death could not withstand the shock of the arrow wound she recieved, never mind the major organ damage.

4) A "boosted Aura healing factor" won't revive a corpse, which I and several others in this thread have already pointed out would be what Amber's body was at this point.

5) Why do you assume the two of them would have perfect cognizance AFTER FUCKING DYING? Do you seriously think that that level of trauma wouldn't affect them at all beyond "desire to complete a mission?" And another thing on this one, do you actually think Amber has any idea what the hell is going on here? She's been in a coma for months, and her last coherent exprerience was unimaginable pain. She's going to be dealing with a lot more "mental anguish" than you seem to be assuming.

6) Do you not get what Semblances are? If their souls are fused, it's become a new one. One with its own locked aura and undiscovered Semblance. If it's two, why would Pyrrha's be the dominant one? And like Crown said, what the hell is Pyrrha supposed to lift herself up with?

7) This is all you merely insisting that a couple of people who died would be completely unaffected by it and be able to act at maximmum capacity, even with what would be an incoherent jumble of memories and training swirling around their head. Let's face it, Pyrrha and Amber may have been badasses, but in all other fiction resurection is a disorienting process for one person, let alone two people who got fused into the same soul.

What the hell do you mean "nothing that warrants the dire opinions"? Beacon would have been abandoned by the time Ambyrrha crawled out of that pit on her own, and she would be at the epicenter of an ever-increasing horde of Grimm large enough to drive off the Hunters who called it home. You're telling me that one person without Maiden abilties, could, while unarmed, disroiented, and probably no small measure of freaking out, fight her way through the things that would be homing in on her like ugly on a warthog?

8) You sure as hell act like you're attatched to it given the fact that you're the only person still arguing it. Honestly, you're almost as bad as that Kirito loser.

9) SHE'S ALREADY IN THE FUCKING EPICENTER OF THE COCK-SMOTHERING MONSTER HORDE YOU COLOSSAL MORON!  Honestly, I have tried to be polite about this, but you are just ignoring the events of the show at this point. It doesn't matter that she had no set goal or time limit to get out, she still would have had to fight her way out, unarmed and basically just wearing bandages, if that. She wouldnt' have either of her Semblances because once her souls became fused they wouldn't apply to her anymore. She wouldn't have an aura because her new soul hadn't been unlocked yet. And you're comparing her to a heavily armed, highly trained, top-tier Huntsman who we've show to be almost as fast as Ruby, strong enough to make craters with his strikes, and was most likely not alone. I have no reason to take you seriously at this point, becaus you don't accept any of the evidence laid against you.