Talk:Haven's Fate/@comment-2602:306:805D:8C10:D95C:C8E5:3755:71C4-20180213222400

I was honestly expecting Haven to suffer the same fate as Beacon; it just seemed like the bad guys were on a roll. Let's go over everything that the bad guys did that could've assured their victory:

1. Adam Taurus took control of the White Fang by murdering Sienna Khan (though it wouldn't have been good in the long run).

2. Killing Ghira's messenger so Haven would not be warned of the attack.

3. Leo sending out all the Huntsmen and Huntresses in Mistral to be killed, leaving the Kingdom practically defenseless while managing to keep his association to Salem under the radar.

4. Salem's faction getting to Raven's camp first and convincing her to help them on the condition they help kill Qrow (she probably didn't really want him dead, but wouldn't mind if it happened). This basically gave them the key to the Vault of the Relic of Knowledge.

However, they had everything perfect. Fortunately for the good guys, the bad guys made two VERY bad mistakes.

1. Adam Taurus ordering the deaths of Ghira and Kali Belladonna, which failed. This was enough to convince the Faunus of Menagerie to join in the mission to defend Haven Academy. If Adam had just set his sights on Haven and left Menagerie alone, odds are the Faunus wouldn't have been convinced to go to Mistral. Now, Adam is on his own, basically useless to Salem.

2. Cinder altering the plan so she could kill Ruby and steal the Maiden's power for herself. Arthur pointed out that they had the opportunity to just walk into Haven and take the Relic without opposition. However, Cinder was so blinded by her desire for power and revenge, she deliberately altered and ultimately sabotaged the plan, which cost Salem the Relic, her informant in Mistral and her Fall Maiden.

I was so surprised that Haven survived that I didn't know how to react. I'm glad it's still standing, but I didn't know how to react because I convinced that Haven would be destroyed. But as someone pointed out, the good guys needed this victory, which I'm glad they got it. Ozpin's faction has the Relic, Cinder is most likely dead and trapped in the Vault and Haven is still standing.