Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31098022-20170218174614

About Ozpin being the soul successor of the warrior king of Vale or Jaune being the descendant of the warrior king of Vale there are a lot of possibilities that could work revolving around these characters. So let's try and crack a few out and crack the code.

1: First it almost seems certain that the warrior king of Vale was Ozpin's predecessor in the soul line considering he helped hide the relics which Ozpin does now (did) and the fact that Ozpin stated that he helped build Haven which was what the king did. Also Ozpin is fairly powerful as seen from his fight against maiden Cinder and power is how the king of Vale gained the warrior part of his title. As powerful as the king though I have my doubts so that could discredit the theory. Ozpin wasn't able to take down Cinder one on one ,as she claimed to kill him and he is sort of no longer alive. Also even though Cinder had the maiden powers she just got the full version so I would assume she was a novice at controlling them. Not to mention all it took to take down the previous maiden was a non maiden Cinder, Emerald and Mercury.(but I guess Qrow being there did maybe help them)(come on Qrow you've got my favorite semblance so far and you're one of my favorite characters but you gotta admit that things do go to s*** once you show up I mean for all we know Yang and Ruby would be fine if you didn't tail them and maybe Tai would have lived a happier life too if you showed up every other Christmas, you would be the best double agent in history though) The warrior king of Vale however took on practically two whole armies with just his sword and scepter, not by himself obviously but the suggested legends do make it seem like he carried everyone else through the last battle of the war. So that is a pretty big power difference in my opinion. But maybe every wizard doesn't become as strong as the last so I can mostly overlook it.

Also he weilds a cane which could very well be the kings scepter. He even makes sure that Oscar gets the cane back but that could simply be an emotional attachment. But since I will do the same with the sword The scepter in the video looks nothing like Ozpin's cane. So if we strictly go by that logic then Ozpin's cane isn't the scepter. You could say he modified it but why and that is speculation. But this could I suppose be overlooked if you consider the image was only a symbol of the scepter and not the actual design of the scepter. But then you must give Jaune and Corea Mors the same considerations.

Also Ozpin's cane is mechanical so if they didn't have that kind of technology back then, then the cane is completely different.

I personally see almost no theory breaking inconsistencies (besides the power level and shape of the cane) with Ozpin and the king being in the soul line but that's just me and perhaps I'm overlooking something.

2: As for Jaune being the descendant there are equal points for and against it in my opinion. In the World of Remnant : The Great War video we see the sword of the warrior king of Vale. It is an odd orangish yellow color. Odd considering the color of Vale is green. And interesting considering Jaune's sword is called the yellow death. But we can also see that the cross guard and point of the sword are clearly different from that of Corea Mors. But what do we focus on. The color. The shape. Or both. Do we read between the lines or do we read the lines.(yep I'm getting all philosophical on a fan theory) We could easily be duped by red herrings or misdirection by focusing on either the color or the shape or the whole picture. Also as said before Ozpin's cane doesn't fit the design either so neither belonged to the kind.

Though it is possible that someone before Jaune modified the sword like he did but that is pure speculation as well.

This theory does help explain why Ozpin let Jaune stay in Beacon. Glynda was on to him from the seventh episode so obviously Ozpin knew as well that Jaune didn't belong. He even seemed the slightest bit interested when Glynda mentioned that Pyrrha had bad luck with Jaune as her partner. So why in his right mind would Ozpin allow a student whose aura wasn't even unlocked ( but maybe people can't tell that and Pyrrha didn't make such a big deal out of it) and with combat school transcripts that didn't match with the actual student (unless they were really good fakes and it was Jaune that was the only inconsistency and Ozpin could chalk it up to him just playing the fool) to attend his academy. You could say that it was because he comes from a line of heroes instead of the king, as the Arc line seems to have been somewhat illustrious in the past but that didn't stop Jaune from being unqualified and untrained. But maybe it had something to do with a special strength of the Arc family just like it could have been for the strength of the king's family. This idea could be said the exact same way for either. Either way Jaune was unprepared and Ozpin let him stay so it would be wrong to assume that he let him stay for no reason at all.(unless of course he really just did it for the lols)

Also people have said that Jaune's sheild is proof against it as they group his sword and sheild together as his ancestor's. But when he says that his great great grandfather used it to fight in the war this was in reference to the weapon which is the sword. To get real nitpicky he said it not them implying that he was only talking about the sword. The king was mentioned as fighting with a sword and scepter not a sword and sheild. Though the king does have the scepter resting at his waist like a scabbard or sheath in the video but it would be way too far fetched to assume that the scepter is the shielth.(shield) Not much of a proper counter that I can think of for this point except taking what he said word from word. Or maybe the shield came from the king's significant other or that he had to fight all out and not defend so he really didn't need it but those weak explanations and only conjecture.

People have also said that Jaune's sheild is mechanical which would not fit with the times but that is possibly wrong as Ozpin's cane is mechanical as well and can be assumed to be the scepter and if this is the case then Ozpin's cane isn't the scepter then. Also we don't really know the extent of the technology they had back then. It was only 80 years. Speaking of 80 years that seems like an awfully short time period for him to have had a great great grandfather at that time. Unless of course people in his family just have kids a little younger than most.

Also his sheild bears what can be assumed to be his family's crest. Wouldn't people recognize the crest of the king? So we can assume that the shield was not the king's. Also we can reasonably infer that the King's last name wasn't Arc as everyone would know of Jaune's family then.(or maybe he was progressive and took his wife's name later on in life)

Jaune being a descendant sort of fails since everyone should know who the descendants of the king are. I mean the war is only 80 years old. That is not enough time for a family to fade into obscurity. They would be celebrities. But if that's the case the why weren't they ever mentioned? This is the saving grace of the Jaune theory. If Ozpin wanted some help with everything that was going on then why not get help from the king's descendants who would probably be strong. Unless the king was only strong because of the wizard powers. Or the king didn't have kids.(like before maybe the wizard can't have kids) Or the king only had kids after he pretty much ended the monarchy and lived a normal life. We don't really know how his reign ended exactly other than he was the last king. So this could leave room for the descendants being unknown to the people. Since we know nothing of the king's descendants which would be as important if not more than the Schnee family or even the maidens.

So perhaps that is all just part of an old ruse to hide the king's descendants. So maybe the sheild crest and last name are all a cover to protect the identity of the the descendants. What better way to hide your family than by making them pretend to be another family complete with a lineage, crest and heirlooms. This would also make sense considering Jaune practically knew nothing of anything and anyone so maybe he could have been somewhat sheltered in his life to reduce the possibility that anyone like Tyrian and co. could take notice of him. Tyrian showed interest in him (so we know something is up with Jaune ) but we don't know the reason yet and we do know that from what we've seen so far he hasn't deemed it worth enough to relay to Salem. So maybe Jaune is his own man. I personally kind of like that idea.

3: Couldn't it be both of the previous two? What happens if the wizard has kids? I would assume that the soul wouldn't go to one of the kids but the next worthy successor and the old wizard has no choice of who it goes to kind of like the maiden power (but without the last thoughts thing maybe) (and no chance of it going to someone evil as the wizard needs to guide the maidens to good) (Or maybe the soul just goes to the closest person whose first name starts with the sound Oz?) As we can assume that Ozpin didn't know Oscar as we know for certain that Oscar didn't know Ozpin.

4: Another theory is That Ozpin is the soul successor of the king and Jaune is the descendant of someone the king used to know this would make sense considering the statue outside of beacon with a warrior wielding a sword similar to Corea Mors and considering how humble the king of Vale seemed I don't think he would be gaudy enough to erect a statue of himself even though he was king. So maybe Jaune is a descendant of the first person put in charge of beacon. But wouldn't Jaune's family know that. Getting into beacon would be a cinch if your ancestor was the first head of it. And in all honesty the basic shape of most swords are the same. So Jaune could simply be the descendant of someone the king knew but not anyone special as he would probably have mentioned it instead of giving the vague explanation of coming from a line of heroes.

5: Ozpin's predecessor knew the king. The king did after all place his most trusted followers charge of the schools he built. So maybe Ozpin's predecessor was one of these. It would explain why he said he helped build Haven, why he is in charge of the school and not the council. This theory could also work with Jaune being the descendant as maybe the advisors also knew of the king's lineage. This theory works but is very vague for it is almost certain that Ozpin had a predecessor that was around at the king's time as we can assume that like the maidens there is always a wizard. (So for all we know Ozpin's predecessor could have literally helped build Haven and just been in the same time period and area)

6: The king was a silver eyed warrior. Yep I'm officially scraping the bottom of the barrel and coming up with every possibility that I can think of. We know from Qrow that those with silver eyes were amazing warriors and the warrior king of Vale was an amazing warrior whose eye color we do not know. So I'm drawing a possible connection between the two.

7: The king, Ozpin and Jaune are not related in any way other than coincidence. Yep this is the simplest and probably the hardest for most to swallow. The theory that we are looking to deep into this and seemingly connections and drawing parallels where there aren't any.

So there you go ladies(huntresses (Port tongue click)), gentlemen(huntsman) and children of all ages. As you can probably tell from the last few with the decreasing size and the lack of proper explanations I'm running out of steam and ideas on the possible connections.

As you can see most of this is just conjecture. Some of which that can be backed by canon and some that cannot. But that is what theories are. So what theory do you think is most likely and which do you think isn't? If you have any ideas to support one of these theories then let me know. The same if you think you can debunk them. Or do me one better let me know your own theories. I'd love to here them. 