Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-2163079-20161112181907/@comment-25936766-20161112232642

From the ones we've seen fight, she is the strongest, not counting the Silver Eyes that Ruby hasn't dominated yet (and even then, that means only 1 confirmed person in all of Remnant has her weakness). By virtue of being esentially a Maiden with no qualms with taking those powers to their cruel potential, combined with her own skill and wits. Not even Big Good Ozpin, strongest good guy, was able to defeat her.

Salem hasn't fought yet so the extent of heir fighting capability is in question. She has an army and a league of supposedly-dangerous people under her command, but her own abilities are speculation. And having people under your command doesn't mean you are stronger than them.

Many villains have stronger-than-them minions who still serve them. Why, depends, and how the leader avoids any coups also depends. In Selvaria's case, it was blind loyalty.

With another example, the Byakko I'Icie in Final Fantasy Type-0. One can super-powerup any machine + teleport, the other one can make great rays and swords of light, warp around, fly (Gameplay-wise, he is Lv144 out of 99, and will always one-shot you, no matter what). They still follow Cid's orders, despite him not being anywhere near as strong as them, because he has the Byakko crystal under his control, literally, thus they have no other choice.