Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181229081856/@comment-4141313-20190110013534

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:

1) I wasn't talking from an in story perspective

2) I was saying that in the end the writers decide if they are redeemable, regardless of what they did.

3) The Tukson thing is hypothetical, therefore from what we were given,his only similarity to Blake is his attempt to run, since Blake wanted to change things, where as far as we know Tukson just wanted to run after it got too grim.

4) The Penny argument was that we all know she's coming back, and if she does, then her death is ultimately less a mark against them since she was easily rebuilt 1)

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3) Except Blake did the exact same thing for the exact same reason. She didn't even decide to "change the WF" until Volume 4.

And even if Tukson didn't try to change the terrorist organization that follows a crazy yandere faunus supremacist for no discernible reason, the mere fact that he didn't want to remain a racist terrorist says nothing but positive things about him.

4) Except not at all. She still died. Emerald still manipulated Pyrrha so she would kill Penny by accident, and she still did it with no fucks at all. Even if Penny came back 20 times, Emerald's involvement in her death remains intact. 1) Apperently I wasn't clear. Instead of Story Perspective, I should have said Writing and Character Perspective, as yes, those two things are what the characters have against them. If those two things were ignored, I'd call the redemption bullshit. To write the redemption, those two things need to be addressed.

2) In truth, yeah, it basically is me saying "I Give Up". Because I can't really be bothered to argue anymore. I've argued for months and months about why I see them as redeemable, and its getting repetitive.

The only argument I've seen for Merc and Emerald being irredeemable is their helping the fall of Beacon, but even then, I respond with Emerald being emotionally manipulated by Cinder, her actually seeing the fall as sad, and Mercury suffering from what Tyrian said:

Tyrian: All you ever learned was pain and violence, and now you're too afraid to leave it. Such a tragedy.

Making me say they at least need to be helped before they go too far.

I guess I'm just tired of debating this. It's gotten boring and repetitive. So I just leave it up to the writers. Same thing happened with Ilia. I saw her as redeemable before Episode 10, but would have backtracked and condemned her if she went too far. I debated to heaven and back, but it got old.

So if they want to redeem the two, so be it. If they don't, so long as they're depicted as crossing the line, so be it. For now though, I'm just tired.

3) There's a difference. When Blake left, she had done so because she saw the Fang were going to far, and still wanted to bring equality, hence her desire to become a Huntress. She said it herself to Oobleck.

Blake: There's too much wrong in this world to just stand by and do nothing. Inequality, corruption... Someone has to stop it.

(Later)

Blake: All my life, I fought for what I thought was right. I had a partner named Adam. More of a mentor, actually. He always assured me that what we were doing would make the world a better place. But of course, his idea of a perfect future turned out to be not perfect for everyone. I joined the Academy because I knew that Huntsmen and Huntresses were regarded as the most noble warriors in the world. Always fighting for good.

She ran, but she didn't give up. Tukson we only know one thing about though, he ran. We don't know if he was just as radical as the others but thought they were getting into some really deep shit, if he was a moderate and realized the same thing Blake did, or if he was just looking out for himself. Since we can only speculate, the basic facts are such:

He was a White Fang Member. He didn't want to be anymore. He planned on running to Vacuo, but got killed before he could.

From that bit alone, he can only be called Morally Grey, since intent or otherwise, he was in a terrorist group, and unlike Blake, gave no indication of trying to redeem himself.

4) True, only reason I'm saying its different is because Penny's a robot. Had she been a real human, then yeah, Emerald would be on my shit list. Since I still think Penny can be revived however, it just seems to me like Cu dying in Carnival Phantasm. She died, kay. She's gonna come back anyway. So no point in being like "Ooh Emerald this is unforgivable you crossed the line!"