Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-27618469-20180608095646/@comment-24834640-20180624183128

But with Leo we heard the execution of his murder. As the Grimm caught him with his tentacles and stabbed him with his needles at the same time that his voice became weaker. We did not see his body but if we witness his death behind the camera, very different from the case of Cinder Fall, there are many examples that falling still does not make you dead.