Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27819658-20161022023122/@comment-27819658-20161025061437

WarrenWitch wrote: If I may, Regina the Evil Queen was succesfully redeemed in Once Upon a Time. Despite all the horrendous things she did, (stuff that make Adam, Salem, and Cinder's crimes look like misdemeanors) she was gifted with a redemption arc. So, I personally do not think it would be ridiculous to give Adam one. However, I hope he doesn't receive one, for a number of reasons:

A. We know nothing about him other than what was told to us by Blake.

B. We need to feel sympathy for him...we do not.

C. He has to want to be redeemed. I do not see that desire in the near future. The reason being that nothing would motivate him to want it. Regina wanted to find love again, and be with her son Henry, so she decided to change her ways in order to do so. Peridot was opened up to the beauty of earth, a place she knew nothing about, yet was told to destroy. Cole had his love for Phoebe, and wanted to become a better man for her. Zuko realized that what he thought he wanted didn't align with what he needed. He also wanted his uncle to be proud of him. See, all those characters had a reason for their redemptions. Viable, relatable reasons. I just do not see Adam having a reason for redemption. It could have been to reconcile with Blake but....yeah.

D. Yang and Blake. I would aruge that these two are the stongest reasons for Adam most likely being denied a redemption arc. Blake must face him not only as a former friend, but as a parallel to the inner conflict she possess. Yang, traumatized after what he did to her, must confront him sooner or later for both closure and the dissolution of her fears. Two characters whose growth is connected to Adam.

He may be redeemed in the final moments of his life, akin to Darth Vader, but that's about it. Or, akin to Cole from Charmed, he could have a redemption arc, but only to have it all negated after he reverts back to his malicious ways, forcing Blake or Yang, or someone, to kill him.

Also, in regards to the Zuko comparison; Zuko wasn't a deranged psychopath who was disillusioned by the world in which he lived. He was a prideful, conflicted, immature, hot headed young boy who wanted to be acknowledged by his father. Thus, a redemption arc for him was logical. He needed to grow as character--as a man. It was necessary for his development as a character, really. And the show took its time with him. We got insight into Zuko's life, we came to know him just as well as we knew Aang. Everything he did, we understood. Which made the final moment of his switch to Team Avatar all the sweeter,--he had earned it.

Glob I love Avatar. Such a phenomenal show. Hmm that's a lot to chew, on but to adress B and C

B you're right we don't have to but if his past is revealed ot be really shity, might be hard to not pity him.

C Absolutely right he has to want to change but i suppose I posted this question far too early. Since we know nothing about him. However as i stated some comments above in order to bring change to him of all people he has to be shown he was wrong. Someone with such conviction to kill innocent people and find it easy to justify. He has to be proven wrong he has to be shown the monster he made out in his mind isn't real.

To which off course comes the Yang and Blake characters arc. Blake by herlsef i would prefer should defeat adam surpass her mentor. Bring him down a peg, then comes

Yang Blake has to help Yang a sort of returning the favor for when Blake was going on without sleep and losing her shit over Roman and the plans he had with the White Fang. Help Yang overcome that fear and both need to give him a final brutal defeat maybe even scar him destroy his weapon whatever a defeat that is both disgraceful and idologically charged. A human and a Faunus together defeated him but did not kill him.

The most importnat part, Yang has to forgive him to really begin the change. Yang has to find it in her heart to forgive the man who scarred so dramatically. That is what i would assume would trigger the once good man he was before he turned into a monster. This also works in favor of Yang that she isn't a vindictful person at heart to which i would say after she regains her strength and can once more fight. She has to in her moment when she has won and is ready to deliver the killing blow herself.

Blake would open her eyes in the moment of rage and realize, she would just be perpetuating the circle of hatred. If she kills Adam she would just add to the cycle. She has to choose to break it and find it in herself despite the want for vengeance for herself and her friends. To forgive him and this is what I belive would trigger a change. This is what would chang e

Adam Taurus for the better if i saw a redemption arc. Here is where the self doubt starts where the questioning of his ideals and what he has done comes to bare. once the myst of hatred is cleared form his eyes he has to see what he has done he has to face the death and the hatred he helped along to really start changing.

But i suppose

I'm idealistic that way