Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-14138255-20160807005311/@comment-172.56.23.160-20160809171406

Alhazad2003 wrote: BenRG wrote: FWIW, I'm thinking that Ozpin isn't trying to defeat Salem and end the Grimm menace because I suspect that he knows full well this isn't possible, at least the latter thing is not. I suspect that he knows that there is a certain balance that must be struck; he resists Salem because she's trying to upset that balance but notice how he refused to use the full might of Atlas's military on several occasions and, indeed, even spoke against it on philosophical and social grounds. He wants to maintain the balance, not give humanity a total and decisive victory.

It's this impression that also gives me the feeling that the Grimm are part of Remnant's natural order and thus cannot be permanantly eradicated without disastrously unbalancing the planet's ecosphere. Hrm, on the one hand I'm tempted to disagree, especially about Grimm being part of Remnant's natural order, seeing all they seem to do is destroy. And they won't stop until all humans are dead, so their inherent worth seems rather, dubious to me. Not to mention it would make for a very depressing ending, seeing the Grimm still around even after everything the heroes have done, makes me wonder what was the point of it all.

On the other hand, I can't help but wonder, what if you're right? What if the war against the Grimm is a lost cause? I mean, how many songs have touched upon the subject of "one huge lie" somewhere in the story? If that's true, then it means thousands of Huntsman have lost their lives for nothing, including Summer Rose. Oh that would infuriate Ruby if she ever found out.

Though personally, I'm holding out for Team RWBY to break the vicious cycle and finally bring real peace to the beleaguered world of Remnant, it definitely deserves a break after all it's endured.

69.60.247.62 wrote: Here is another list of possible elements in volume 4 for everyone to enjoy!

1. Team RWBY will spen the entire volume, and possibly the following one, separated throughout Remnant, with one girl in each kingdom. The girls will have to deal with their own personal demons as a focal point of the volume.

2. Ruby will be traveling with Team RNJR, most likely as the leader. She will have become much stronger in the past few months and will have lost a lot of her innocence, since she saw two of her closet friends brutally killed.

3. Weiss will be in Atlas confined to the Schnee estate grounds and forced by her father to retire as a Huntress. This way Papa Schnee and mould her into the pe fact heiress, to that end he has band Winter from the mansion, using the fact that she is Ironwood's subordinate as an excuse. Eventually Weiss will have to get her confidence back and break free from her father to become the person she wants to become.

4. Blake will be in Vacuo, living off the grid and on the run from the White Fang. No allies, no one to target, no way to trace her. She will still be wracked with guilt over what happened to Yang and the actions of the White Fang in general, and the fact that she ran away again. At some point she will start to take on the White Fang, Batman style.

5. Yang will still be in a funk over what happened. After all in the span of 24 hours she had her reputation ruined, her arm removed, and her school essentially destroyed. She I'll be emotionally scarred and bitter, not to mention she have to deal with the people gossiping about her when they think she's not listening, things like "she got what she deserved" or "serves her right" and let's not forget about the A-Holes who make sick arm jokes to her face. Eventually she will get her fire back, probably by the last episode, and ask Junior if he new anyone who could get her a new arm.

6. The post credit scene of the volume will be Cinder waking up from a coma induced by Ruby's powers.

7. Since the world believes that Atlas was responsible for the Fall of Beacon, the other Kingdoms will be very suspicious of them. Maybe even demand that Ironwood be held responsible for "His" actions.

8. Jaune will still be hurting from Pyrrha's death, but he will grow stronger motivation by her death. He will also have an understandable grudge against Cinder.

9. Neopolitan will be stalking Team RNJR, specifically Ruby, because she thinks that Ruby killed Roman.

10. Team SSSN will have a larger role then they have had before.

11. Mercury and Emerald will be working to further the distrust between the kingdoms in their own ways, to plunge the world into war.

12. Ironwood will keep his job, if for no other reason then the fact that Atlas cannot afford to loose a talented general like him, in wake of the current crisis. Though he will probably have a committee holding everything he does under a microscope.

13. The identities of the remaining three maidens will be revealed, and I will maintain my belief in the theory that Winter is the Winter Maiden until proven otherwise.

14. Qrow is now the leader of Ozpin's brotherhood, possibly alluding to the fact that the Scarecrow was made King of the Emerald City after the Wizard left in the Oz books.

15. Team RNJR will know about the Maidens, ether during the time skip or in the volume itself.

PS

Just waiting on that "punch through the internet". 1.  They'll undoubtedly be separated for that long, though whether they all stay on different continents remains to be seen.

2. That's a given, though I daresay she'll try putting up a strong positive front so no one realizes how broken she really is. Hopefully her ruse isn't exposed anytime soon. or it won't end well for her, not at all.

3. We'll see how it goes with her.

4. Didn't I say something along these lines earlier? Same with the earlier point.

5. If Yang goes back to Junior's bar it will not end well, and I can see Taiyang being instrumental in her recovery, along with defending her from a hostile public as well as his own peers at Signal. By the end of the Volume, she's recovered enough of her confidence to go forth and restore her broken body, and then go find Ruby.

6. That's only if Cinder ever was in a coma to begin with. Yes, I thought the same way at first, though now I'm thinking she managed to resist the Silver Saiyan, but before she could end Ruby's life, Salem speaks into her mind, saying it's not necessary to destroy her since she's essentially accomplished nothing (which she wasn't, as frustrating as it is). She then orders Cinder to return to her so they can plan their next move, which would explain why she was absent when Qrow reached the tower pinnacle.

7. If the CCT was still active, oh yeah they'd all be after Ironwood's head. But now they have no way to make their grievances known, which will only make things worse over time, just as Salem planned.

8. Hopefully he doesn't try avenging her the next time he sees Cinder, or she'll give him the Pyrrha treatment as well. Though I'm sure Ruby will stop him before that, for it's her destiny to topple the madwoman in this story.

9. Given

10. Hope so, lest they become the Four Krillins

11. I'm leaning more towards them targeting Atlas next, since the promoted rivalry between Weiss and Emerald hasn't even begun yet. I'm thinking Papa Schnee gets killed and Weiss gets blamed, much like how Yang was blamed for "dismembering" Mercury in the tournament. Though through their actions Weiss learned what happened to her teammates, and strives to bring the mendbending crook down. Though that won't happen until much later, of course.

12. Highly unlikely, considering how badly Ironwood let things get botched up, I doubt he'll be spared for any reason, save perhaps from capital punishment. Though soldiers have been executed for far less. I'm leaning more towards he's exiled from the army and ostracized by the public, much like Yang. Which will inevitably link the unlikely pair together in Volume 5, so they can both find redemption later on.

13. Uh uh, it's way too soon for all three of them to be revealed, possibly one of them, should they make themselves known. And maybe the Schnees are descended from one of the Winter Maidens, but that's as far as I can believe.

14. Given

15. Very unlikely, that won't happen until at least when another Maiden is targeted.

ChishioKunrin wrote:

That makes for a good sequel, though. The Grimm are gone, but now the new main characters have to deal with helping break down the problem of people using Huntsman skills for evil. Maybe the main villain is one of those "Doing evil to try to do good" types, trying to create evil so that people with Huntsman skills have something to fight - either encouraging criminal activity or trying to find a way to bring back the Grimm.

Ooh, now that would be diabolical, and it would make for an exciting story. Based on the Krillin reference you made, you're at least somewhat knowledgeable about Dragon Ball, so here's something to address your "how can they be part of Remnant's natural order if all they do is destroy?" concern: DBZ: Battle of Gods. Beerus was a God of Destruction, and the way King Kai explained it, before creation must come destruction, that being Beerus' basic job description. Another example of destruction-before-creation: the Great Flood in the Bible. God destroyed the world as it had been to create it anew, with Noah's Ark being God's way to not have to COMPLETELY start life over again.

We've seen ruins of previous civilizations, and WoR stated that countless civilizations have risen and fallen in Remnant's history; a cycle of creation, then destruction. That sounds to me like a balance that should be maintained. Here's where I start spitballing: salem and the Grimm represent destruction, Ozpin, the Wizard, and humanity/faunus represent creation. Maybe the current 4 Kingdoms have lasted much longer than prior civilizations and Salem is just going to desperate measures to get the cycle back on schedule; maybe Salem got bored/otherwise unhappy with being the destroyer and wants to be the creator as well (basically wanting to be a god) and Ozpin/the Wizard/Humanity/faunus are standing in her way. Either way, the Grimm are vital to Remnant's inner workings, and wiping them out would be fucking with something that shouldn't be fucked with.

Now onto your response to Mr. Lister (DEAL WITH IT!). (Scoff) "Enjoy", he says.

1-4: he REALLY enjoys repeating the obvious as well as things that have already been discussed ad nauseam, and it's getting irritating.

5: More Junior and more Taiyang, please!

6: THANK YOU!!!! Dear Mr. Lister: if Cinder was comaed after Ruby's traumatic superpower awakening, QROW COULDA KILLED HER QUICK AND EASY WHEN HE WENT UP TO GET RUBY! And if Merc and Em got there first, THEY COULDA KILLED RUBY BECAUSE SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS FROM HER TSA!!!! And then there's the possibility Alhazad brought up! That coma!Cinder theory has more holes than theory!

7: even without the CCT, the citizens of Atlas would be just as pissed as the other Kingdoms because they were watching everything too. Alhazad, I was in the same boat as you, but you gotta admit, it smells like war is coming, CCT or no, so keeping your best general on even if he should be executed would be a very practical(if morally and legally ambiguous) move. Right now, I'd say Ironwood's is a tossup between punishment and keeping him on to improve chances of winning the coming war.

8: agreed.

9: see item 1-4.

10: SSSN is from Haven, RNJR is going to Haven; RT'd be stupid to not give them more relevance. What I'm saying is: agreed.

11: good theory, but let's be real: wherever they go next, their mission will be to increase tensions between the Kingdoms.

12: see item 7.

13: agreed.

14: see item 1-4.

15: agreed.

Finally, @Chish and Alhazad's response, ehhh, kinda it feels like the plot of an Overwatch ripoff to me, honestly.

-He who is AWESOME

PS: sorry for quoting that whole thing and making such a long post; easiest way to multiple people that I wanted to reply to.