Talk:Red Like Roses Part II/@comment-89.142.242.199-20150908090645/@comment-25555436-20150908154232

Phantom, a Draco in Leather Pants is a character that is considered cool out-of-universe by fans, who happily ignore everything wrong or cruel that the character has done with and without good reason. From a moral point of view for the most part, though not specifically.

Saying that Cinder is a heroine, the best, has done nothing wrong, blah blah blah, that would be DiLP...except that she has not done anything truly wrong so far other than the Breach (which I assume was her plan, right?), and what she has done has not been proven to be anything truly wrong morally.

Kick the ass of a few atlesian soldiers? No big deal. Put some virus of some kind on the CCT? Depends on what it actually does. So far, while not a saint, she hasn't done anything truly evul other than the Breach, and as such she doesn't really fall into DiLP.

And a character doesn't fall into DiLP for doing just 1 bad thing, unless that bad thing is insanely evil or has grave repercussions that can't be forgiven.

Now, Roman, is DiLP. Loved by fans and glorified often, and yet he did laugh when he shot Ruby in the face, almost blew her up beforehand, is racist, and is kind of a jerk as well. Yet his fans seem to happily ignore those things when speaking of him.

Also, regarding your last comment: You mean you want a true anarchist, who doesn't really have a good reason to destroy the world and take down order, instead of a self-titled revolutionary who at the very least believes the government is corrupt or evil and is at least trying to set things right, alas at the least having a good reason?

I'd prefer if it was more grey. A government that is not evil, revolutionaries who think otherwise, yet the government isn't saintful either, and neither are the revolutionaries.