Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-31953669-20180124124137/@comment-26018514-20180310062614

BlizzardDragon wrote: The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: 73.Anon.52 wrote:

1. Well, considering she is currently the most sympathetic villain...

2. Just because the plot doesn't go hunting for a character doesn't mean said character can't show up in the narrative

3. Or Salem manages to retrieve the Grimm....

4. Again, Salem likely already represents what Grimm fusion can do...

Honestly, that all sounds really lame. I have a hard time believing they could sell Emerald as a full-blown villain...

There really isn't a good alternative to Cinder at the moment when it comes to villains. Pure? Emerald? She is willing to let the world be fucked over all out of a misguided devotion to a single woman. People give Hazel crap for siding with Salem and damning humanity over his dead sister, Emerald is doing the same but for a single woman who treats her like crap.

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That is a personal bias... And even then, right now there are three kinds of feelings for Emerald I've come across. Those that hate her and want her to die, those that want her to redeem herself, and those that want her to go further into villainy...

Even then, there are good alternatives, namely Salem, Watts, Tyrian, and the new Villain they confirmed for Volume 6. All of them have more to offer to the plot then Cinder does, seeing as she currently is just treading the same water over and over now.

And before you bring up the Grimm Bug again, consider that they don't need to bring it up anymore. They've explored what they've could: What it is (A parasite that fused with Cinder), what it's job was (Absorb the Fall Maiden Powers), its risk in being used (turns the wielder into easy victim of SEW, no aura can cover it, and requires dominance over), and any additional benefits (Stretchy arm). They don't need to rehash it, cause if anything, its more a liability to Salem's plans than anything.

And, two questions for you:

1. What argument is there against her death ...

2. What can you use to justify her reasonably surviving that battle outside of an asspull 1. I think BD addressed most of what I would respond to your post except that only 1, 3, and 4 of my last post even involve emerald, point 2 of my last post is to say that the new Fall Maiden could enter the narrative on her own initiative... just like Cinder did.

2. You missed my point entirely on point 1... I said Emerald could go darker... not necessarily full villain. It is a rather common trope for an antihero or deeper nemesis to develop from a flawed but more pure-hearted bad guy who gets in too deep, and become less than human merely to test the villains powers to improve their subordinates/selves.

In response to BD: Yes, Emerald is far from pure, that is totally a bias.

things they could still address about the Grimm arm are:

1. How is it grafted/implanted? What better way to show/tell us than actually grafting a new one onto a new character?

2. Does Salem use the same modifications?

3. How does it absorb Maiden magic? again, this is best explained to a new character by Salem rather than told to the audience or an in-the-loop Cinder.

4. Downsides/control.... again best explained to someone who doesn't know.