Talk:End of the Beginning/@comment-209.195.85.53-20160215191623/@comment-192.0.189.206-20160215211242

Against Ozpin's death:

While it originally looked like Cinder killed Ozpin the same way she killed Pyrrha, it's unusual that she didn't gloat about it or anything. You'd think that killing the Big Good would warrant 5 straight minutes of evil monologuing with all the "no one can stop me now that your strongest warrior is dead" and such. Unless of course, she failed to kill Ozpin and opted to bury him under a pile of rubble to slow him down (knowing full well that she can't kill Ozpin outright).

For Ozpin's death:

The conversation that Salem continued with Ozpin at the end of the episode could have taken place in the past. I wouldn't claim to know the conversation habits of Eldritch Grimm Witches and Mysterious Wizards, but people usually don't respond to a conversation a year after it drops off. Not showing Ozpin's death may be proving Salem's point: people are willing to cling to a "fleeting hope"; in this case, the possibility that Ozpin's still alive. If Ozpin is discovered to have died already, it's going to hurt even more. Despair is strongest after experiencing false hope.