Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181215021300/@comment-25936766-20181225040120

BlizzardDragon wrote: 1) ...Seriously, when Yang asked if they had to keep backing her up, I thought that was the writers saying they were supposed to come across as annoying.

2) Considering Qrow looks like a drunk and the only thing capable of implying he was a huntsmen is his license and Harbinger, neither of which he had visible...

3) Why not Split the difference and say she was referring to both

4) You thought Jaune, Jaune, would be rational in this situation and punch a pillow

5) Okay I will...

6) I refer to the Dadpin theory.

7) I refer to my post about Oscar running away: ".....Even in the end, he's putting others before himself. Seems Ruby wasn't the only smaller, more honest soul in the group."

8) Plus, you're generalizing hard right now......And they don't treat Ozpin like shit/the devil for what he did, they treat him as untrustworth.... Before anything, I just wanna say: HASHIRE SORI YO,  KAZE NO YOU NI,  TSUKIMIHARA WO,  PADORU PADORU 

1) No, Yang just has enough knowledge of jokes to know this simple fact:

2) Now that I think about it, just why would he not carry around his Huntsman license? That's pretty much an ID Card.

3) Ok, she was referring to both.

4) I was joking there. Though I honestly didn't expect him to punch a wall hard enough to crack it, especially not on his sister's home. I hope he pays for it.

5) I was joking. It's just that the whole scene felt very Jedi-like. That said, Ruby would make a fine Grey Jedi.

6) Ah yes, the "SEW are descended from Hipster YA-Fiction Writer Ozma" theory. I have dismissed that claim. See, Ozma kept his magic, which includes both elemental powers and 4 aditional powers representing Choice, Knowledge, Destruction and Creation. On top of that he got Reincarnation.

First, there is no way in the seven hells that you're going to convince me that Reincarnation leads to "Anti-Grimm Nuke". Second, Salem and Ozpin's daughter only showed the elemental powers, none of the 4 spheres that showed the "gifts from the gods".

One of the many Ozmas having SEW children, I can get behind. The Silver Eyes coming from Ozma, not really. At least with the Maidens we were told he gave a good chunk of his magic to them.

7) You assume Oscar ran away "because it was for the best of the others". That's cute and optimistic, but too idealistic.

I assume Oscar, a 14 year old who never asked to be part of anything like this, and has even less experience and mental fortitude than everyone else does, ran away after already being yelled at and attacked more than once by his should-be allies just for having Ozpin in his head.

In summary, I assume Oscar would respond like a 14 year old would respond.

8) Generalizing regarding everyone sans Ruby, Nora and Ren treating Oscar in a less-than-friendly (at best) manner? Maybe. But regarding everyone treating Ozpin like he's the devil incarnate regardless of everything? I'm being generous.

I mean, literally the first thing Yang did in her 1st talk with Ozpin back in Vol.5 was acting like he crossed the Moral Event Horizon just for the sinful crime of giving Qrow and Raven a handy power that did no harm to them at all in any way.

Then she tells him to stop it with the secrets. Ok, fine, but just for not telling them that the Relic attracts Grimm to avoid them panicking (not really well-thought, but it had no mean intentions either), Yang and Weiss inmediately start treating him like a major asshole (nevermind Yang keeping Raven being the Spring Maiden secret), to the point that they pull weapons out on Qrow just for trying to defuse the situation.

Then, they see "what he kept hidden", which revealed that he never even asked to be in the position he's been for ages, nevermind stuff like coming back to life in a completely different world all alone, or having to kill the woman he loved, with his daughters dying in the crossfire.

But just because Salem was inmortal and just because he never told them that, all of the stuff he's done (which is the only reason mankind is still standing) and all of the stuff he's been through is completely null, and he's a cold-blooded bastard who would be fed to the wolves if he wasn't in Oscar.

Nevermind his reason for keeping things secret: Avoiding panic and despair. Which is exactly what happens the moment they find out about Salem's inmortality, just to prove that he has a point.

So yes, Blizzard, our mighty heroes and heroines all treat Ozpin, at best, as "I can't trust this guy" just because he keeps some things secret for good reason (not always the best plan, but the intention counts too), and if not, then they treat him like shit incarnate.

The idea that "they haven't had time to process this" doesn't work, because the way they treat him, which goes beyond reasonable at times, is nothing new for the majority of RWBY and co., it's just on a bigger level than it was before.

And, they (RWBY, not JNR) shouldn't even need this much time to process that maybe, just maybe, Ozpin isn't the asshole they think he is, even if he's no master strategist either. He makes mistakes, but he's the only reason Remnant's civilizations haven't sunk like Atlantis yet, and Salem or not, the Grimm are a problem that must be dealt with, which is what all of them signed for in the first place (sans Qrow but still). Salem being inmortal doesn't change that.