Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-24032889-20190105161936/@comment-25828821-20190118171510

BlizzardDragon wrote: The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote: BlizzardDragon wrote:  1. I'm not sure what your point is here. Adam fought until it was clear his only options were being captured or killed. He was the last one fighting and his fighters had given up. The notion that he "abandoned" them by escaping is still absurd. Sure, it is possible people might judge him based off how the information is relayed to them, but we know better. Not sure how anyone here can seriously claim Adam abandoned anyone. 2. Do agree at least with this, but I think it would be ridiculous if anyone who heard about it was suddenly against him. Surely there are those in the White Fang who can recognize he fled to continue the fight rather than facing certain capture or death.

3. The one way I can see them being able to continue with Adam dead is if Adam still has a certain influence over her and by that I mean he gets in her head at the end. He says something that rings a little too true to her and it boils up at a later point with the ultimate result being something akin to a face-heel turn. I can see that as a part of a Second Great War arc sparking off in their time at Atlas. 4. Illustrating my point, up to Adam's appearance, Blake's story has been pretty inconsequential this Volume. Ruby, Oscar, Jaune, and even Qrow have been more significant features in the story so far this Volume. Blake was basically a tag-a-long for all the big story developments until this episode. 1. My point was that the sequence of events made sense in that we know it wasn't like that, but an outside perspective, which was the cause of the Fang accusing Adam of abandoning them, would think it was. Also, Adam didn't exhaust all his options. He took a haymaker to the back, ordered his forces to fight, got up, tried to mentally abuse Blake, shot at Sun, crossed blades with Blake once, then bolted into the woods. He ran off before the entire fight was done, and when he could still fight. And considering he could have easily tried to kill the civilians and freed his troopers, him bolting and leaving them behind is abandoning them. As Leader, he'd be expected to lead his brethen, stand by them, and if need be, die for their cause. He did none of that. He tried to blow everyone up to spite the humans, he abandoned his former troops, and ran away rather than let himself be caught.

2. ... You and I have been watching the same White Fang right? The kind of nutcases that would put a mentally unhinged bullhead in charge, walk around like they're in a cult, and would kill their own kind when their entire motive is to fight for their own kind? You expect rationality from these loonies?

3. So you're saying the only way Blake would have a plotline without Adam would be if she suddenly snapped, turned evil, and broke away from the team again in said madness? -_- As in, cause more unneccesary divides in the team and break up Team RWBY once again?

And again, the Great War plot seriously isn't gonna fly. Know why? The only two locations at the moment are Vacuo and Atlas. Vale is still recovering from the fall of Beacon, so it can't enter a war. Mistral has virtually no huntsman left after Hazel and Tyrian slaughtered most of them thanks to Lionheart, and the ones that are left are second rate as Dee and Dudley proved. Atlas is too busy holed up in its own borders, and Vacuo doesn't have a centralized form of government, meaning no centralized military or means of unifying the huntsman into a fighting force. Remember, the very reason why Tyrian and Watts are going to Vacuo isn't to start a World War, its to stop Ironwood from trying to ally itself with Vacuo, presumably by making it fall from within.

Tyrian: Her Grace must act swiftly if we are to prevail. If General Ironwood comes to his senses and calls upon aid from Vacuo, all may be lost for us! And so the good doctor and I are being sent to Atlas... to prepare.

Why don't I say it like this then... 'Not every character needs a subplot. 'Too many cooks spoil the broth? Well too many subplots mess up the narrative. The main plot should be the focus of the story, with one or maybe two subplots. Having so many subplots not going anywhere was one of the big issues people had with Volume 4. Yang technically doesn't have a subplot since her beef with Raven is currently shelved. Closest thing to a subplot Ruby has is her eyes, and that's tied heavily into the main plot. Ren and Nora have no subplot of their own. Qrow's closest is his drinking issues. The only ones with a Subplot are effectively Weiss, Jaune, and currently Blake's. But once Adam is gone, she doesn't need start another subplot, nor does she need to keep beating a dead horse. Maybe playing a supporting role to someone else's subplot would be a lot better.

I'm also saying I sincerely doubt many would actually care if Blake suddenly didn't have a Subplot, as I've found that Blake is considered one of the least popular main characters, surpassing even Jaune's hatedom, and that the Faunus Racism subplot is one of the least popular subplots due to the FNDM thinking the CRWBY know jack and shit about properly portraying Racism.

4. That's less a result of having no plotline and more of a result of a bloated cast. Including Ozpin (who is MIA), Cinder (As the major villain), and Maria, the Main/Core cast is comprised of 12 characters, meaning not everyone is gonna be in the spotlight at all times. Weiss and Yang have also been technically Tag Alongs this volume since they've done as much as Blake, and Ren and Nora have been apart of Jaune's arc this volume. Oscar himself still barely feels like a character and more like an extension of Ozpin's character. Maria has mainly been the Mentor figure since Qrow's been down on his luck. Cinder's been mainly absent this volume.

Not every character is gonna have the spotlight at all times. If anything, the case could be worse. Sun is technically a Main/Core cast member, and he's only not an issue since he has been benched till the narrative goes to Vacuo, but had he been here, he'd be the 13th character. And Pyrrha got post-mortem focus, and she was a main/core character too, so thats #14.

My point being, Blake being out of focus is neither a new concept, nor is it something in need of rectifying. The spotlight isn't big enough for over a dozen characters, so some need to take backseat or supporting roles to the others. "down on his luck." Ha-ha! *rimshot plays*