Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190320012541

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

1. Do you mean "we have no indication she's lied recently"? We definitely know she has lied. To believe she is not lying to her subordinates would require us to believe that at some point she concluded honesty was the best policy and all of her subordinates are fine with it. More likely she is either withholding details of her plan or outright lying to them. Oz and Salem have been set up as essentially two sides of the same coin. None of it is irrelevant as it comes down to what Cinder believes she is doing by working with Salem.

2. Her plan with Oz involved them being together and breeding a new humanity into existence. That isn't gonna work anymore. She has to have a different plan and since it is indicated Oz told her about the judgment day thing, then it is safe to say she knows what happens when all the relics are brought together. It also lines up with what she has been doing by setting out to drive wedges between humanity.

3. I'm not saying she would be doing anything for anyone. Rather, if she flipped and was essential in their victory, having her promptly executed afterwards would be kind of a dick move. They would appreciate the role she played and basically agree to her living in some circumstance where everyone is left alone as their thanks.

4. … You don't deliver the message of unity by killing off basically every villain and showing them no mercy for their past actions even if they turn against the main villain. Granted, their handling of Adam suggests they might not be up to the task of selling any of that and will default to the simplistic black and white outcome as the "good end" of the series. Hopefully, that will not be the case. 1. I mean outright lied to her minions, I'm not saying she hasn't misled or withheld information as Ozpin does, but outright lied. If I told you I could get you to the moon if you helped me kill everyone you knew who wouldn't make the trip with you, but left out that I couldn't get you a return trip, would the family you would have left behind give a single fuck I had lied to you after you only partly succeeded in the genocide?

"I'm sorry uncle Ted's dead gammy, but it turned out my boss lied about the expenses paid vacation, so I(helped) saved the rest of you." "no problem Timmy, Ted was worthless anyways" I think not.

2. Her plan never worked while Oz was with her, it was a crazy idea made of madness, that it still doesn't work doesn't prove it is not the plan, remember how her brilliant plan to usurp the gods went the first time? just because the would-be goddess is crazy doesn't make her a liar.

Personally I suspect she thinks it actually possible to stop them this time despite the lack of supporting evidence, though she certainly isn't averse to the alternative of bringing about her own end, it likely isn't her plan A.

3. You expect this of Jimmy, who went behind Oz's back to take control of Vale's defenses because he wouldn't sign off on a plan that ultimately failed? The council that canned Oz in favor of said idiotic plan? Jimmy who placed Yang on house arrest then failed to follow-up with the "victim's" hospital?

Governments don't give terrorists a pass unless they can do something that results in less deaths than letting them run free puts at risk, and these governments don't even seem to be aware of Salem yet due to Oz's group, They also don't give passes retroactively, and never unilaterally.

4. I went over this before, but as literally ALL of Cinder's group have more likely survivability, and Hazel, Watts, Tyrian, we're talking 4 killed and 5 survivors with Cinder dead, that's so far from "ALL DEAD" that that fails as an argument, even if 2-3 more die, these aren't the only villains we'll have when we're less than halfway through the 20+ seasons.