Talk:Salem/@comment-35455126-20181007053424/@comment-25936766-20181007122137

Alhazad, remember that throughout V1-3, Cinder was patient and calculating, and her initial plan only failed because Roman launched it before it was ready because Ruby just happened to fall down a hole that took her straight to the Hidden WF outpost.

And honestly, whether we're comparing Salem to V1-3 Cinder or V4-5 Cinder, Cinder's a better villain. Why? For the same reason Roman is a better villain: She actually does shit herself.

Salem has done absolutely nothing but be ominous about everything, look "eeebil", and order people around. While Cinder's entire motivation is a blank, at least she actually gets the job done when she needs to instead of leaving everything to pawns (planting the virus, rigging the matches, following Ozpin to Amber).