Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20190119003858/@comment-38271940-20190127135251

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: HotSwappableGaming wrote:

2) See above comment for my views on that

3) But I wholeheartedly believe Adam could take Hazel, if only for the fighting style counters. 2) He's been hyped as strong. But never as "one of the best in the entire cast". And in fact your whole 2nd paragraph provides nothing but proof for why said hype must be taken with lots of salt.

>"How many fights he lost": 1, his last one, where he fought 2 girls who, at best, were around 2nd Year Huntsmen-in-Training level, and one of which he mentored and knew her fighting style. And let me remind you that:

First: He unleashed his biggest Moonslice yet sans maybe the one against the Spider Droid....and Yang almost completely shrugged it off.

Second: He died.

Other than that, there's Yang, Blake and Sun. With the latter two, Blake outright knocked him to the floor in a single hit back at Haven, and he ran away after a single bash in the head, even though he should've been capable of dealing with both of them (in theory).

And with the former two....well, he died.

>"Who do we hear CONSTANTLY bringing up just how strong Adam is?": Blake. Who was terrified of him for a long time. Even harmless spiders sound quite dangerous when described by an arachnophobe.

So, congratulations. You just gave evidence that proves your own point is bullshit.

I do feel I should have specified though. I think he's around Qrow's level....with a sword. Qrow's noted by Ozpin to be a badass Scythe user after all, not a swordsman. And even then, Qrow has gotten his ass kicked quite a fair deal, so it's not like he is that good.

3) Nah, he would be pummeled into the ground. Adam's Moonslices, even at full-power, are much weaker than they look, we saw that with Yang. Meanwhile Hazel was noted to have a stupid-crazy Aura regeneration that heals him faster than he gets hurt, while he also ignores pain so he can keep going for a long time without flinching or stopping.

And of course, Adam needs to block hits with the sword to even use his dear Moonslices. And I seriously doubt his katana would be able to block Hazel's doped punches with even a bit of efficiency. It's funny, most of your responses, while criticizing my own for clear canon inconsistency, are ironically the exact argument I've been making.

2.1) Yang shrugging off the moonslice was god-awful writing. We've seen how strong Atlas tech can be in the earlier seasons and the fact that yang shrugs it off felt disgusting to me. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure the only reason we have the black/red waves instead of the moonslice is so her arm could survive and make Adam look worse. Above all else, it's inconsistent as fuck.

2.2) See above paragraph, see above comment, or the tl;dr: He shouldn't have died there. He was killed for the plot, in my earnest opinion.

2.3) So why does Blake knock him down so hard with a single punch whereas she now can't do SHIT against him this volume? Sure, the circumstances are different, but it really sounds like a case of terrible Adam consistency to me. Also, you're implying that Adam was running from Sun and Blake, not the army of faunus, skyships, and other assorted allies.

2.4) ...You're saying Qrow isn't a great fighter? Hm.

3) Refer to 2.1 for the moonslice, and I don't think Hazel would win. Adam would easily deflect the hits, even it means he takes partial damage from doing so, but Hazel is slow. It's innate combat type disadvantage. In real life the advantage of the strong over fast is that they need to land one good hit. With aura, and Adam possessing the range advantage too, I adamantly (get it?) believe he'd win. Which isn't to say he'd beat Qrow, for sure, but it seems like pretty simple combat analysis to me. Not that I'm an expert.