Talk:Cinder Fall/@comment-26306690-20190106151255

At the end of the day despite we have seen clear signs of Cinder only caring about herself. I do think Cinder does respect Salem. Since during Volume 5 Chapter 2 the two talked together alone and Cinder actually bowed her head and it was not like Salem asked her to do it.

Salem and Cinder seem to have a mentor-student relationship, but I do sense that there are more to it. To be honest and this might be a stretch, but I do think that behind the scenes the two have some sort of mother-daughter relationship. Like Cinder lost everything in the past and Salem took her in and raised her. One of the reasons Cinder does not seem to fear the Grimm is she has gotten used to having them around.

Also, a lot of people will likely point out Cinder's derailing and changing of Salem's orders. But on the other hand, if you look at it from Cinder's perspective, she made a gamble. If Cinder had succeeded in her plan. She would have killed Raven and Vernal. She would have not only gotten the Relic but another part of the Maiden Powers and when she rejoined the others. She could kill off all of Ozpin's allies and captured both Ruby and Oscar/Ozpin and handed them both to Salem.

In other words, pretty much everyone who has gotten in Salem's way would have effectively been neutralized, Cinder had gotten stronger and Ruby and Ozpin would be at Salem's mercy. Salem would like to feel more than delighted of this and would likely gift Cinder more secrets and power, which won both respects from Salem even more, pretty much-putting Cinder in Salem's favour.

Does that make any sense?