Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-70.164.250.74-20180315191229/@comment-2001:8A0:D21E:E301:84B0:AE1E:49B1:C9FE-20180317024137

That was accidental, I thought I had erased parts of it.

2) No, Weiss was talking about WF. Later in the episode, she puts Faunus all in the same box, but when Yang comments, she isn't, she is talking specifically about the Faunus of the WF. Again, your point was Blake told Sun because he would understand her being an ex-WF because he's a Faunus, which is questionable at best. Sun seems to have a lower opinion than Yang of WF (at least, judging by the one comment she made). At this point, Adam had already wanted to blow up a train, so I'm assuming they had already done something that had led to the death of humans and probably Faunus and also, thanks to them, Faunus are often put all in the same box (at least, to some characters like Weiss). So, why would Sun be more understanding? That was my point. Also, their entire interaction until then was Sun stealing a banana and winking at her.

3) Not getting me on board with obsession, especially when stalking was already involved. Sorry. Also, yes, people who are obsessed tend to think they are in love.

4) People change, so what? My argument was: Blake has an obsessed ex-boyfriend, so it makes sense she would pay attention for others exhibiting unhealthy behavior. And to that you respond: people change? How is that a response? If anything, I would say she changed nothing and learned nothing from Adam or at least, not enough.

5) "Your mom said WF members don't wear masks in Menagerie".

I cannot justify why Blake is surprised. Although one can debate if she's surprised because the WF is there, or because her father is having a meeting with them, even if Sun is surprised because they are there. But the idea WF would never go to Menagerie is ludicrous. Considering WF is a Faunus movement, it makes sense some go there from time to time. If for no other reason: friends and family. So, there was always risk she would run into someone from the WF and they all probably know about her and Adam.

6) And yet when Sun tells her he saw WF members there with a mask, she doesn't believe him.

7) Sun's not a kid. And bad behavior should be treated as bad behavior. Again, not getting me on board with this ship with behavior like that.

8) ??? What? I didn't say they had nothing to do with it. But that I don't think their feelings are that strong. You are very condescending. I know that justification =/= explanation. I understood Sun's actions, but I don't agree with them and again, not on board.

Look, you ship whatever you want, but to me, that relationship has long stopped making sense. There are a bunch of things that I don't like in fictional relationships and doing them gets you an almost automatic "no way I'm supporting this". These are: creepy actions being passed off as romantic or brushed off AND characters who aren't characters in their own right but just mere love interests (this can be more or less forgiven in a movie since there's limited time, but in a series/anime, NO, and, to me, Sun has long become a pathetic excuse for a character that is really just there because "we need make couples"). Blacksun is guilty of both, so I'm not interested. I am aware though that my deal-breakers aren't the same as everyone else's.

What is more amazing is that making Blacksun remotely acceptable to me wasn't actually that hard. Sun is a Faunus, the writers could have easily found a reason for him to go to Menagerie and then, there meet Blake and learn about attack on Haven and join her. Bonus points if he was particularly motivated because the attack was going to happen to HIS school and possibly put at risk HIS friends, since they were all probably in Mistral by the time of the attack. This way, he wouldn't have been a creepy stalker and he would have had a life of his own. That's the problem when you want a couple but don't want to spend more than 5 seconds on one of the characters of said couple (you're going to accuse me of using an hyperbole on this one, aren't you?). That's why I don't want fanservice couples, because Blacksun was planned from the beginning, and the writers should have done a much better job than they actually did. If couples exist for fanservice, it's probably going to be an even bigger mess.

"And honestly, if all ships required both characters to be well-written, the whole RWBY Armada would've sunk long ago."

Which is why I defended no ships. The OP asked for people without ships to answer the question (OK, they were probably referring to just Lancaster and Rosegarden, but no ships includes those too.). Exception: Nora and Ren. I don't find them amazing characters, but they're good enough and they make sense. It's been clear from the start they have been friends for a very long time. And the reason why their lives are so intrinsically connected is that, for a long time, each other was they had.