Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-34633327-20171002160810/@comment-14138255-20171031225948

Soarel wrote: Did you. Even. Read. My. Pastebin? Please go look through it. There is a lot of evidence in the dialogue and their actions as well.

You clearly are looking at this with confirmation bias because you WANT things to be bland and black and white. Read your pastebin. That doesn't work either. The fact is, most of that is from her speech, her speech that was meant to sow discord and doubt in people. While it might be true some of the things she's saying are true, especially when it comes to Mistral's state of affairs, Cinder still is bringing about anarchy and destruction.

Cinder talking to Emerald, about questioning everything she'd known? We already know about the Huntsmen and the students essentially guarding the Relics, which contain the power to shape the world. And those are the things Salem seems to be concerned about at the moment. Unless there's another bombshell coming (and honestly it's not too big a bombshell), I doubt it will still excuse what just happened. Opening your eyes is a nice thing to say up until it involves unmaking civilization.

Cinder taking strength from the Cabal is simply guerilla warfare, pragmatic and simple to understand. They can't hope to win on their own, so they'll have to make do with undermining their strength. Nothing to it, nothing heroic about it. Just pragmatic strategy.

Cinder doesn't just want power, you're right. She explicitly said she wants to be feared as well. To do that, she's sided with Salem for a plan we do not yet know, and the end goal is even more power than she currently has, something Salem can provide.

Ozpin doesn't rule Remnant. He's not some dictator with a cult of personality (an intentional one at least) to keep his own power that Salem's rebellion has to defeat. By all appearances and actions, he's on the side of the angels. Salem hasn't done anything to dissuade the notion that she's the villain. Will things be grey? Maybe, but we don't have any further information to make that so yet.

I never took the songs as sacrosanct (though by god others have), but the song's lyric "in time, truth will rise, revealed by mirrored eyes" was referring to Ruby's silver eyes, and directed at Cinder (or Salem despite her official reveal being later).

Ozpin seems to be cursed by the Gods for failing to stop Salem. This could be the "war" the song referred to, his personal battle against Salem. So what? The Grimm are still clearly serving her and they attack humans for no good reason we can see. For all we know, Salem was so bad that Ozpin failing was grounds for said curse.

Ozpin may have skeletons in the closet, but at this moment it isn't as flipped as it'd seem. Regardless of who Ozpin is, he's against Salem, who is resolved to destroy humanity and take the relics for herself. To use on Ozpin, perhaps, but it's clear she's not humanity's friend.

Things can be complex...but you have to acknowledge at times when a situation is simple, because it can be at times.