Board Thread:Administrative Requests/@comment-27394867-20160307022626/@comment-4579191-20160307144605

Oppose - I don't usually get involved in the politics losing 2 EU staff in the space of a month won't bode well to the EU time zone of chat. I'm just gonna rattle off in as little space as possible why this isn't in the wiki's best interst as it were.

1. Nedz's previous demonimation draft - Okay so right off the bat this is from 2 years ago, even in that User:Lauren Darkmore even suggested simply moving him down to admin rather than full on beuracrat. Nothing has obviously gotten worse to merit a full removal. Like I said in my previous post addressing what Silent Mocker said a full removal is detrimental to the EU-Side of chat and THIS IS SOLELY MY OPINION (I believe, if his replacement is NA-based that this wiki will begin to drift heavily in favour of NA users for lots of things, I've seen this before on wikis and happens almost like clockwork unless there's an equal number of territorial users.)

2. The trans-user part. I know nedz's personal opinion on this and there was no attempt at malice or anything the like. I know the user (the bg gives it away) and yeah. Part of nedz's previous demonination had a part of him decieving. To quote the paste bin and I'm going to paste this and go against this saying if you don't like what I say, I'm allowed my own opinion on it.

Lauren Darkmore: "[4]Now things calmed down a bit and then a thing happened, a fellow user, for a joke, asked him to pretend to be a girl ( http://imgur.com/D0J0xM9 ) He then takes up on the idea and tells other users to the main chat that he is a female, shows pictures of "herself" (one of his friends) and changes his picture to one of her, telling everyone that calls him a guy to backtrack and go with it. ( http://i.imgur.com/6J2UmBO.png ) At this point I pick up on it, I confront him and enquire as to why he is doing this. ( http://pastebin.com/f6HfKtEr ) This is part of the middle of the argument, CC is a user that tried to make me help him pretend to be a girl and I told him that he would be kicked if he did this for a second time"

This user has been doing almost the same as ned was (albeit differientiated in circumstance), although I've been told before by most of the chat said user was trans so they already knew I assume. said user does "lure" others in, I will confirm that.

People are gonna get pissy but I'm gonna say this and if you're offended come talk to me. "I don't like people when they're not upfront about being trans or hide the fact." It's a complete betrayal of trust in my eyes and is unfair to others. I know some people will bring up other trans users on this wiki but they all have it clearly somewhere on their profile.

Said user is not exactly a shining example of morality either. There is nothing in those screenshots that appears "demanding", from the screenshots "1. then just say you're trans to people." appears just as a suggestion, from then on he's just saying "yeah you can say you're trans without being disliked." and to not lure people (yeah they do that.)

3. "Controlling conversations." - I've seen mods shut down conversations for their own reasons before. even if it's a perfectly fine conversation, I never cared much because, again, not involved in the politics that much. Most recent in memory would be Penny's Demise in volume 3. I recall several times being shouted at for making jokes because they apparently "upset users" (Don't let them read GoT). Ned is not the only one who does this. don't treat it as such.

4. Chrono - Ping spam sucks, everyone gets pissed for it. Everyone has their reactions to it. Why are we going at ned for his reaction to it.

5. The Cross-Wiki incident - Since when do we bring non-chat things to the wiki. If half the Tom Tit I've said in skype affected my chat status I'd be gone long ago. If we're treating off-wiki stuff like it happened in chat "because he's staff" then we should make sure the rest of the staff keep to it (like the NSFW spam everyone was involved in in the skype group that was joined in by two staff I won't name.)

14:46, March 7, 2016 (UTC)