Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-1292715-20181223044830/@comment-14909251-20190405090502

SpiritedDreaming wrote: In this show, we believe when the writers say "This person is dead" because they don't lie. Hell, even when they so desperately wanted you to believe Cinder was dead at the end of V5, they never actually said she was. They hedged, they hemmed, they hawed, and ultimately everyone with half a brain went "Yeah, Cinder is alive."

Contrast this to Summer, who we have outright been told is dead. The grave on top of the cliff is Summer's because when Jeff was writing Red Like Roses he asked Monty "Who's grave is that? Her mother's?" and Monty basically replied "Sure, it's her mothers." Summer has been dead before the show even began. Not once have they ever lied to us about something.

This isn't Game of Thrones. You can trust Word of God. Except there isn't really Word of God. Summer can have a grave without being dead and a song can be about Ruby dealing with her mother's death without her mother being dead. These are, as far as I am aware, the only contexts in which she is suggested to be dead. Fair to say they would have to play it a lot more carefully than with Cinder. It means if they want to avoid outright lying, but still protect the twist, they have to be creative in how they discuss Summer. One thing I haven't heard is anyone in a position to know otherwise outright stating unequivocally that she is dead. Discussion has always been evasive and putting things in a context where they can give the impression she is dead and even talk about her as if she is dead without having to outright state she is dead, which allows them to not lie about her being dead if she is actually alive.