Talk:Raven Branwen/@comment-26306690-20181102234947/@comment-25936766-20181106135230

Blue, Ozpin being more of a liar than Raven doesn't make Raven better, nor does it excuse everything that's been pointed out here and elsewhere to your delusional little skull.

And, Ozpin doesn't lie about things per se, he only talks about them when asked about them, and has an annoying tendecy to keep them at half-truth. But even then, that's the worst he's done: not tell the full story unless told to do so (and after promising to stop that). And a good chunk of the problem lies on the heroes who arent' as curious as they should (case in point: Ruby).

Raven, meanwhile, has been lying and making excuses throughout the entirety of Volume 5, even discounting the "hiding that she's the Maiden" part. Like, again, implying that Ozpin forced the Birdhshifting powers onto her and Qrow, when in fact they asked for that power themselves.

Ozpin being "more of a liar than Raven" doesn't mean Raven's any better.