Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-4141313-20181124081953/@comment-37320542-20181127235958

SomeoneYouUsedToKnow wrote: 1) Yeah, no. No you didn't.

SirGauoftheSquareTable wrote: Also, when would she have an opportunity in battle to show off her finer control? Nowhere.

2) No, no it doesn't, because literally every other time we've seen Cinder not going all-out, she at least bothered to use a sword, something she's good with.

Let's consider this: She used a sword against Jaune, but didn't bother doing the same with Neo until after Neo kicked her out the window. Are you telling me, that Cinder bothered to use more of her power against Jaune than against Neo?

Then why would she do that? Why would she put more effort, energy and power % against Jaune than against a skilled criminal who was dancing around her for nearly the entire fight?

That's why that fight gives me the same vibes as Merc trying to punch Ruby. They have the character use something different from what they're great at just to have someone else look better.

2.1) Yeah, no. Cinder didn't seem like she was just playing around with those punches and kicks, especially her fire punch from the ceiling. And Neo still avoided all of her attacks while landing multiple ones.

At the most cynical bare minimum, that fight shows that Neo is a lot better than Cinder at CQC and close-range combat, leaving aside the Maiden powers that now look more like a crutch.

2.2) She still got danced around and made to look like an idiot, not being able to land a single tiny hit while Neo keeps hitting her here and there.

Sure, Cinder could've won easily the moment she used the Maiden powers, but the fact I described in the previous sentence, again, make those powers look like crutches more than anything. Without them, Cinder would've stood no chance at all. Don't tell me what I meant asshole. I said what I meant. We only see her use her powers in battle situations, so at what point would the fine control she demonstrated in this episode be necessary? Never, because this was such a small, parlor-trick feat. Sorry if I didn't word it properly.

Also, yes I will say Cinder is worse than Neo at CQC, but she wasn't in any danger whatsoever regardless. Also, why are you evaluating Cinder with and without her Maiden powers? They're part of the whole package, so as a whole, Neo still stands no chance against Cinder. Also, Neo started off the fight with a surprise attack that thus defined it in her own terms, and remember that Cinder is still wanted. If she angered Lil' Miss, she might get reported, or the commotion might attract unwanted attention. Once she got outside, she clearly was able to take a quick breath, summon some swords, and regain control of the situation.