Board Thread:Speculation House/@comment-35941743-20190304195312/@comment-26018514-20190705035431

The Devil&#039;s Advocate WP wrote:

... A world of difference exists between personally killing people and helping organize a plot that gets people killed and could have potentially got more killed. Vader murdered off his subordinates and his old mentor like they meant nothing to him. Maybe you could say he had plenty of people and so they were disposable, but Cinder hasn't really shown that kind of brutality.

She's already done both herself, they aren't that different, what do you call her attempted murder of Raven and her successful and brutal murders of Vernal and Amber??? they were both still her subordinates or being kind at the time. Stop kidding yourself, in almost everything she's done, it is at best Vader's level, but my ultimate point is that she herself lacks the methods of redemption Vader had available, namely a protag or specific sect she was a monster to that assisting can redeem her.

literally the only thing that could come close would be a personal redemption in Emeralds perspective or killing Salem... which is something she is literally incapable of.