Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171110205409/@comment-33555628-20171112045959

Lord Jaric wrote: Shounnen wrote: However, the Ruby scene was not... executed correctly. Don't get me wrong, it was necessary, but they are leaving a lot of plot holes, JN_R are getting more and more forgotten, where is Qrow? Besides, from a writter's point of view, that scene should have been with Jaune, or at least both; talking about how he lost Pyrrha, how weak he is and yet kept moving forward. Oscar and Jaune can relate to a couple of things what would fit perfectly in that scene. JNR has had a lot of development already. We've already have seen how Pyrrha's death has effected Jaune. Ruby has been needing this kind of development for a long time. To see how Pyrrha and Penny's deaths have effected her.

Qrow is out gathering huntsmen for the mission to Raven's base. I know Qrow is recruiting huntsmen, but he hasn't had any screens lately to show who he is hiring. That's what I meant.

Also, I know they had development, I just see that Ruby had development too but a lot of people don't see it because it's not just focus on her. Regarding JN_R, I meant that V4 they seem to have a lot of screen time, now they are mostly doing nothing. Which is understandable? But they are still not done growing as well.

RedBlaze025 wrote:

They can only fit so much in one episode. FYI it technically is being read off a script what'd you expect. We'll get our time with JNR it's just a matter of the right time and scene.

While I find it problematic that the chapters are getting shorter (and that makes people to see little progress on things), is not the point I was trying to make here. By the way, sorry if I sounded offensive, I sense a bit of hostility from your part.

ChishioKunrin wrote:

Because Jaune got his "mourning Pyrrha" screentime in Volume 4.

Meanwhile, Ruby was mostly pushed to the side throughout Volumes 2 and 3 and somewhat Volume 4. This was Ruby's turn to show more deeply about how she was actually affected by the Fall of Beacon. Ruby desperately needed this.

Ruby was there in those scenes too (in V4), and she also had those... Flashbacks? That opened a path for something greater for her. I have to disagree overall; in Volume 3 she was the only one who went back to fight against Roman and Neo, she also had a talk with Qrow about her powers and we also saw for the first time why the silver eyes warriors are important. In Volume 1 we see her comforting Jaune, and she also grew a lot when growing with Weiss, and other examples. Even if some of those plots opened more doubts or were small overall, it's some sort of development that can lead to greater things. The only thing that I would criticize is the fact that it took them 8 months to show some sort of grief or development between the characters about it. It should have been sooner, even before arriving to Anima.

ChishioKunrin wrote:

JNR are not getting "more and more forgotten". Throughout RNJR's scenes in Volume 4, most of the focus was on JNR, with Ruby edging into the spotlight once in a while.

I agree, went way ahead of the boat here. Is just that I feel like Ruby and Oscar bonding is getting quite forced and it's unnatural for me. I expect this to be fix by watching Oscar relate to the other members of RNJR. And about Qrow, well I already answered; just meant screen time, I know what he is doing.

ChishioKunrin wrote:

Should probably clarify, I'm talking in terms of characterization scenes, not plot-related scenes. Volumes 2, 3, and 4, Ruby hasn't had that much focus on her as a character, such as her thoughts, feelings, and motivations beneath the surface. Meanwhile, Weiss, Blake, and Yang have gotten plenty of it, and we got to very clearly and visibly see how Jaune was affected by the Fall of Beacon throughout Volume 4. Ruby hasn't had that anywhere near as much as WBY and Jaune.

The letter she wrote in No Safe Haven was good. Her moment with Jaune when they were in Kuroyuri was nice, but it was mostly Jaune talking about what she went through, rather than Ruby actually showing that to us. It's like "Yang said Ruby was really torn up by the loss of Summer" vs "Ruby hasn't really shown or said anything about how the loss of Summer has affected her aside from just 'I miss you too'." Kinda means more if we get it from Ruby, not someone else.

I see what you are implying, but at the same time I don't. It's not natural for Ruby to lose her cool after all, we just recently saw it a second time (the first time being in V4). So I'd say is part of her nature to not being so open with her feelings yet. That, in my perspective, shows a huge deal of strength from her part. Is just my perception though. Sure, I get it, but I believe that sometimes words are not necessary to show development as ironic as it might sound. Actions speaks louder, and Jaune's words were on the silver plate to make her feelings go from sad and regretful for a "thank you".