Thread:GreyStark/@comment-28288412-20170506220152/@comment-25936766-20170508224308

GreyStark wrote: 1-Ok, Vlad had impaling refined into its cruelest and very worst form.

2-And here's what I had to say about the stabbing:" According to accounts "blood and water flowed out" now you bleed why you're stabbed, that's pretty obvious

3-and theologians were baffled for centuries by the water part............... which would cause fluid (that would look like water) to build up around the heart and lungs)

4-And plus Roman soldiers were the ones who executed him. They would have been executed themselves if they had let him live so don't you think that they'd make extra sure he died? Especially after they killed the other two guys with him.

5-And your other explanations is rubbish. The disciples brainwashed a guy into thinking he was Jesus?

6-There another problem with this, the apostles didn't believe that Jesus was alive at first.

7-And why major confabulations I meant anything of really about the level of "I though I put my phone here" 1-True enough, but my point is, you can stab someone and pierce them side to side, and not kill them instantly.

2-Actually....you don't, depending on the stab. Let's say a guy stabs you with a knife:

-If he stabs you and pull back the knife, you will bleed. A lot.

-If he leaves the knife there after stabbing you, you will barely bleed, if at all. Why? Because the knife covers about the entire orifice, meaning the blood can't leak out.

3-Around? ....So that means, the spear didn't actually need to hit the actual lungs or heart, only around them, for the "water" to leak out?

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4-If they wanted to make sure he was dead for real, they would've sliced him off like Set dismembered Osiris. If he didn't die from decapitation he would've died from massive blood loss everywhere.

Alas, they didn't. They used a punishment instead of an execution. Why, I'm not sure, but if they wanted him dead dead for real, I believed they would've used the latter.

......Then again, maybe they didn't want to go through with it fully. They didn't want him dead dead dead. By the time Jesus died, Christianity had already spread to the majority of the Roman Empire even if in the background.

It's part of the reason Rome fell, and the main reason Jesus is called a "Religious Conqueror" by some (in fact, some say the 1st Horseman of the Apocalypse (in the more positive interpretations), who "rode out conquering and to conquer", is him spreading Christianity).

I'm sure they shed tears of regret every time the scourge hit his flesh.

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5-I never said brainwashed. I said convinced.

There are alternatives, not entirely mutually exclusive. Maybe he was a guy who was initially sure he was not Jesus, but "played along" and eventually became the mask.

Maybe he thought he himself was Jesus after noticing the similarities. Maybe he eventually believed it himself after being mistaken for Jesus.

That said, since you point out indoctrination doesn't happen so quickly....how do you know all those events happened at the speed they seemingly did?

Here's a thing: History is recorded by those who bother to record it. And those who record it are able to change anything they like based on their own beliefs or perceptions about events, unless others prevent it. Nowadays, there's no problem, thanks to the internet allowing Info to be widespread. But in ancient times where most people couldn't even read? Come on.

For example, Nero. It was said he was insane, and ugly. But a good deal of the nobility hated him. And the people in charge of recording history where among them. So what says that they didn't record the "fact" that Nero was insane? History Is Written By The Winners.

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6-Doesn't change anything. That they didn't believe it at first doesn't mean they didn't believe it later.

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7-That's an horrendously low standard. You can forget about where you put, say, your keys because the brain only registers impressions. If you never paid attention to where you put the keys, you won't remember where because the memory does not exist to begin with.

You might think it's on the table or the desk, but you would be trying to remember something that was never memorized.