Board Thread:Episode Discussion/@comment-34633327-20171123054740/@comment-26397825-20171127050714

Do you also realise that the prime directive of Grimm is destruction of Humanity? They destroy Humans and everything they've built wherever they can. Salem is their leader; if she didn't want them to destroy Humanity, she would do the smart thing which is leave key infrastructure in place and leave te populace mostly unscathed, only taking down Ozpin. Instead they are destroying everything; entire cities and villages that are completely unaffiliated with Ozpin.

They released Grimm directly into the heart of Vale despite Ozpin only having influence in Beacon. It caused mass rioting in Mistral despite Lionheart being on her side. These are not the actions of someone who wants to take down one person and just one little piece of humanity that they built. These are the actions of someone who wants to take down Civilisation as a whole.

And guess what; Cinder is right up in her schemes, She got the Maiden powers specifically so Salem could get the Relic. She worked with Salem's other cronies to bring about the downfall of Beacon and the literal slaughter of innocent poeple living in the city of Vale who were wholly unconnected to Ozpin and the Huntsmen beyond living nearby. In fact, she looked over the City of Vale, video broadcast it until the CCT went down, and called it glorious.

She's  not the good guy in this. And you are the  only  person I have seen even trying to say she is. Most others try to at least acknowledge she's a bad guy and offer the option of Redemption for her.